CISPA has passed, gives government unlimited power to regulate the internet

What's the issue? The way the OP put it, it sounds reasonable.

Can hear the words "The south shall rise again." playin in my head. The breaking point could come from something like this.

What's the issue? The way the OP put it, it sounds reasonable.

LostProphetFLCL

Surely you are kidding.

No big deal I do not do anything that would need to be "regulated".

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What's the issue? The way the OP put it, it sounds reasonable.

coolbeans90

Surely you are kidding.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

What's the issue? The way the OP put it, it sounds reasonable.

coolbeans90

Surely you are kidding.

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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

What's the issue? The way the OP put it, it sounds reasonable.

surrealnumber5

Surely you are kidding.

Different OP. This one was polite enough to give a vague summary.

Screw you guys couldn't even tell me what it meansAussieePet

Well it would give the U.S. government control over aspects of the internet they didn't have before. Essentially it is a semi-regulation of the internet. They're playing it up both as a matter of security and anti-piracy. Ultimately it comes down to how they enforce it. They won't get much support from people on a gaming forum, not surprising. Many people thought SOPA would block access to Google. Having said that, I'm still strongly against it for the time being. I don't think the Government really knows what to do with the internet and they're just desperately throwing ideas out there.

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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

What's the issue? The way the OP put it, it sounds reasonable.

LostProphetFLCL

Surely you are kidding.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

What's the issue? The way the OP put it, it sounds reasonable.

LostProphetFLCL

Surely you are kidding.

" gives the government free reign to do whatever it wants on the internet "

[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Screw you guys couldn't even tell me what it meanssonicare

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Surely you are kidding.

coolbeans90

" gives the government free reign to do whatever it wants on the internet "

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Surely you are kidding.

coolbeans90

" gives the government free reign to do whatever it wants on the internet "

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Surely you are kidding.

coolbeans90

" gives the government free reign to do whatever it wants on the internet "

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]I haven't read the bill, but the way the OP puts it, it seems fine other than being vague.

sonicare

" gives the government free reign to do whatever it wants on the internet "

[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Screw you guys couldn't even tell me what it meansTacticalDesire

Well it would give the U.S. government control over aspects of the internet they didn't have before. Essentially it is a semi-regulation of the internet. They're playing it up both as a matter of security and anti-piracy. Ultimately it comes down to how they enforce it. They won't get much support from people on a gaming forum, not surprising. Many people thought SOPA would block access to Google. Having said that, I'm still strongly against it for the time being. I don't think the Government really knows what to do with the internet and they're just desperately throwing ideas out there.

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" gives the government free reign to do whatever it wants on the internet "

surrealnumber5

f*ck...

Lawl, feels even better living in Canada.

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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]I haven't read the bill, but the way the OP puts it, it seems fine other than being vague.

slipknot0129

" gives the government free reign to do whatever it wants on the internet "

lol

And nothing will change. You just watch.

Wasdie

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Surely you are kidding.

coolbeans90

" gives the government free reign to do whatever it wants on the internet "

"cybersecurity crime, protection of individuals, and protection of children"

Just sounds like it's anti piracy/anti pedophile to me.

Poor Americans lol AussieePet

Australian internet's censored. From what I understand, you guys don't get 4ch*n.

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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]I haven't read the bill, but the way the OP puts it, it seems fine other than being vague.

LostProphetFLCL

" gives the government free reign to do whatever it wants on the internet "

"cybersecurity crime, protection of individuals, and protection of children"

Just sounds like it's anti piracy/anti pedophile to me.

And it gives the U.S. gov't literally no limitations on what it can do to fight piracy.

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[QUOTE="weedfacekilla"] yea just like he said he would veto the ndaasurrealnumber5

Part of the reason he didn't veto the NDAA was because if he did veto the bill it would have pretty much shut down the military to include making it where troops wouldn't have got paid until the bill did pass.

This bill, if vetoed, wouldn't cost people their paychecks for an indefinite period of time. But at the same time a veto override is always possible with enough votes.

That, I can't tell you.

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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]I haven't read the bill, but the way the OP puts it, it seems fine other than being vague.

LostProphetFLCL

" gives the government free reign to do whatever it wants on the internet "

"cybersecurity crime, protection of individuals, and protection of children"

Just sounds like it's anti piracy/anti pedophile to me.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]I haven't read the bill, but the way the OP puts it, it seems fine other than being vague.

LostProphetFLCL

" gives the government free reign to do whatever it wants on the internet "

"cybersecurity crime, protection of individuals, and protection of children"

Just sounds like it's anti piracy/anti pedophile to me.

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[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Screw you guys couldn't even tell me what it meansAussieePet

Well it would give the U.S. government control over aspects of the internet they didn't have before. Essentially it is a semi-regulation of the internet. They're playing it up both as a matter of security and anti-piracy. Ultimately it comes down to how they enforce it. They won't get much support from people on a gaming forum, not surprising. Many people thought SOPA would block access to Google. Having said that, I'm still strongly against it for the time being. I don't think the Government really knows what to do with the internet and they're just desperately throwing ideas out there.

Two things. First of all, it probably will not pass the Senate (as Chessmaster pointed out). In response to you, governments are needed as it provides its citizens with stability and laws. We give up certain rights and privileges in order for the government to provide our natural rights (i.e. social contract). An anarchical society as Thomas Hobbes would say, would be "brutish and short" with individuals subverting each other in a hedonistic manner. A government puts checks on people and lends stability.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Obama really had better veto this if it goes through the senate. Also lol at the political party split. So much for small government right Republicans?surrealnumber5

Americans deserve it for having such a crappy political system; not saying our system of government is any better.

[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Poor Americans lol WiiCubeM1

Australian internet's censored. From what I understand, you guys don't get 4ch*n.

So is their gaming industry. Honestly they have no room to talk, but that won't stop them...

Americans deserve it for having such a crappy political system; not saying our system of government is any better.

Communist_Soul

Americans deserve it for having such a crappy political system; not saying our system of government is any better.

Communist_Soul

Fool of the highest caliber

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Americans deserve it for having such a crappy political system; not saying our system of government is any better.

Ace6301

Shame too had such potential but still there always stupid ass laws since the beginning. Guess so, find the political parties are almost different from each other now, all the elections means who is the new face of the country.

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Americans deserve it for having such a crappy political system; not saying our system of government is any better.

c0kemusheen

Fool of the highest caliber

Care to elaborate on your point? All I read was "I'm a moron".

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Americans deserve it for having such a crappy political system; not saying our system of government is any better.

c0kemusheen

Fool of the highest caliber

Actually his opinion has some veracity as the political system of the United States is dictated by special interests and lobbyists who pander to the political elite. This elite are nothing more than demagogues who compose a two-party system that hide their true intentions under the facade of "patriotism". In fact the two parties are more concerned with re-election than the state of the country and manipulate the populace through biased media outlets. This coupled with the Citizens United ruling allow corporations and rich elites (like the Koch brothers) to buy elections. The system is inherently predisposed to demagogy.

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[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

Americans deserve it for having such a crappy political system; not saying our system of government is any better.

Chargeagles1

Fool of the highest caliber

Actually his opinion has some veracity as the political system of the United States is dictated by special interests and lobbyists who pander to the political elite. This elite are nothing more than demagogues who compose a two-party system that hide their true intentions under the facade of "patriotism". In fact the two parties are more concerned with re-election than the state of the country and manipulate the populace through biased media outlets. This coupled with the Citizens United ruling allow corporations and rich elites (like the Koch brothers) to buy elections. The system is inherently predisposed to demagogy.

For the non-politically inclined:

Country's run by a bunch of crooked politicians more interested in their jobs than the country who are puppeted around by the rich.

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[QUOTE="c0kemusheen"]

Fool of the highest caliber

WiiCubeM1

Actually his opinion has some veracity as the political system of the United States is dictated by special interests and lobbyists who pander to the political elite. This elite are nothing more than demagogues who compose a two-party system that hide their true intentions under the facade of "patriotism". In fact the two parties are more concerned with re-election than the state of the country and manipulate the populace through biased media outlets. This coupled with the Citizens United ruling allow corporations and rich elites (like the Koch brothers) to buy elections. The system is inherently predisposed to demagogy.

For the non-politically inclined:

Country's run by a bunch of crooked politicians more interested in their jobs than the country who are puppeted around by the rich.

Haha. That's a good SparkNotes version.

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[QUOTE="Chargeagles1"]

Actually his opinion has some veracity as the political system of the United States is dictated by special interests and lobbyists who pander to the political elite. This elite are nothing more than demagogues who compose a two-party system that hide their true intentions under the facade of "patriotism". In fact the two parties are more concerned with re-election than the state of the country and manipulate the populace through biased media outlets. This coupled with the Citizens United ruling allow corporations and rich elites (like the Koch brothers) to buy elections. The system is inherently predisposed to demagogy.

Chargeagles1

For the non-politically inclined:

Country's run by a bunch of crooked politicians more interested in their jobs than the country who are puppeted around by the rich.

Haha. That's a good SparkNotes version.

That's the internet way...

Only in the House, Senate still needs to vote on this and considering we stopped SOPA right there, we might here too.

EDIT: How did I get House and Senate confused?

http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/suchf/insanity_cispa_just_got_way_worse_and_then_passed/

Stuff that can be done to help stop CISPA from passing. Have already made a call myself, would encourage everyone that can to help out...

That sounds like a textbook example of a 4th Amendment violation.

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I'll be surprised if this passes in the Senate, but hey so long as Obama has said he would veto it I can sleep somewhat comfortably.

weedfacekilla

Just like he threatened to veto the NDAA. Democrats and Republicans are both liars. Make no mistake about it. The government wants to police and censor you on the internet. They know the internet is the last vestige of free speech in America. They will not stop until your free speech has been stripped from you fully. Don't be a sheep anymore.

Ive read about this as much as possible and still dont really understand what the problem is. Why, for someone like me, who only uses the Internet to talk with friends and family, do some shopping, and check out a couple sites a day, would this matter? Im not being sarcastic, I really want to know. Also Ive always felt like anything you put up on the Internet is subject to some outside source being able to see it somehow (hackers ect.). I dont steal movies music or art or anything online. I would never put up anything incriminating. So why would I need to worry about this? I understand the stuff about corrupt government and all that, and sure its not cool, but its not like its anything new. Idk, I just really am not getting this.

Ps please be nice if you respond, again, im not being sarcastic I really am looking for an inteligent answer.

Ive read about this as much as possible and still dont really understand what the problem is. Why, for someone like me, who only uses the Internet to talk with friends and family, do some shopping, and check out a couple sites a day, would this matter? Im not being sarcastic, I really want to know. Also Ive always felt like anything you put up on the Internet is subject to some outside source being able to see it somehow (hackers ect.). I dont steal movies music or art or anything online. I would never put up anything incriminating. So why would I need to worry about this? I understand the stuff about corrupt government and all that, and sure its not cool, but its not like its anything new. Idk, I just really am not getting this.

Ps please be nice if you respond, again, im not being sarcastic I really am looking for an inteligent answer.

Kraven1845

That's not the point dude. The point is, our government wants control over us. Whether it affects you or not, its the idea thats inconceivable to many people that the government, who are supposed to protect our liberties and freedoms, are doing the complete opposite. It's not just CISPA or SOPA either. Bills like the Patriot Act which violate 3 of our amendments are passed, and if the government felt it necessary, can arrest you merely on a whim of a suspection of illegal activities/terrorism and your right to a lawyer and fair trial are stripped.

You should worry about this, as an American citizen, who pays taxes and obeys the law. Yet the government are above the laws and amendments that found our country.

I don't mean to sound like an ass, so don't take it that way. I just feel that people who don't see these things as a big deal should reconsider and learn more about how our system works, (not that I know it all, but I try to take an interest in it).

Land of freedom confirmed.

I know what youre sayin man. And I know its lame and shouldnt be passed. I guess where Im at is that I just already figured that the gov. is corupt and spies on us anyway/ ive got nothing to hide so at this point whats the dif. Im not saying im ok with it, im not saying its ok, im just saying it doesnt seem like anything new nor do i really think that the average joe REALLY has anything to worry about. However I will admit that I know little about this stuff as well. Is there anything we can do to make sure it doesnt pass? Because also, in reseaching this and other bills you mentioned I see a lot of "the sky is falling" and "ZOMG THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO LOCK US ALL UP!" but no action.