Clearing up why Obama got the peace prize

Someone who has shown incredible work for mankind that works for peaceThe_Last_Ride

Okay. He hasn't done that, so let's see the other reason.

or you can get it by working something big (which it is in Obamas case) for peace and therefore get the recognition.

What exactly is Obama doing? "Aspiring for a world without nukes"? Exactly how many people (world leaders and otherwise) have done that?? Why is Obama given an award for a talking point?

I think it helps that Thorbjorn Jagland used to be Vice-President of Socialist International. Just saying.

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Your forgetting about the word "peace". Obama is trying to send 20,000 more troops into Afghanistan to fight an 8 year old war. Sure he is an accomplished man, but this isn't the Nobel Accomplishment prize. This is the Nobel Peace prize. One of the big reasons I voted for him was his stance on the Iraq war. He said he would pull the troops out as soon as he got in office. Maybe he should have won the Nobel empty promises prize.madmidnight

....isn't that what Bush was saying?? Oh, but its acceptable now because its Obama. Stupid me!

[QUOTE="madmidnight"][QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Your forgetting about the word "peace". Obama is trying to send 20,000 more troops into Afghanistan to fight an 8 year old war. Sure he is an accomplished man, but this isn't the Nobel Accomplishment prize. This is the Nobel Peace prize. One of the big reasons I voted for him was his stance on the Iraq war. He said he would pull the troops out as soon as he got in office. Maybe he should have won the Nobel empty promises prize.hockeyjunkie28

....isn't that what Bush was saying?? Oh, but its acceptable now because its Obama. Stupid me!

So he is withdrawing from Iraq, not like we're going to bring everybody home in a day.

I'm sorry, but I thought you won awards based on actual accomplishments, not just good intentions. And how does one win a Peace Award when we are in the process of two wars where people are dying on both sides. That just goes against anything with the word peace.

Lets look at facts.
Gitmo is still open, and according to Holder, it looks like the closing of Gitmo will miss the Jan. deadline because the administration is running into the same problems Bush did when he tried to close the prison. Yes, Bush tried closing Gitmo...I wonder how many on the left knew that one.

We're still in Iraq and following Bush's withdrawal timeline, not Obama's.

We're still in Afghanistan and ratcheting up our presence there because according to Obama, it is the "good war" or the "war of necessity". Just last March, Obama himself approved of 21,000 (I might be wrong on that #) more troops, and is now pondering on whether to send more.

We're still using predator drones which this Dem. administration and Congress apparently approve of now... which I find kind of odd considering they were so adamantly against it under Bush because thosetactics killed countless civilians...which they still are.

I mean seriously...with more troops deployed now than at the height of the surge in 2007, increasing military presence in Pakistan, continued harsh rhetoric towards Iran...show me where peace comes into the debate.

Him receiving this award based on what he wants to do...speeches basically; spits in the face of those who have actually done for this award. Heck, I think Bill or Hillary should have gotten it before Obama because they have accomplished globally more on the humanitarian front than Obama. I just wonder when are people going to realize actions speak louder than words? I mean the left blows a load everytime the man gives a great speech, but then has no actions to show for it.

So do I think Obama deserved the award? No...not YET at least. Do I blame him for winning the award? No because it wasn't his fault that he won. I just blame the people who gave him the award prematurely.

@ Theokhoth

Nope, he also has improved the relationship with Europe and the US. He will cut clima gasses for the US (although Bush actually tried to do something decent about that topic at the end of his term), and hopefully make an impact in Copenhagen where he will present a plan.

@ Theokhoth

Nope, he also has improved the relationship with Europe and the US. He will cut clima gasses for the US (although Bush actually tried to do something decent about that topic at the end of his term), and hopefully make an impact in Copenhagen where he will present a plan.

The_Last_Ride

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@ Theokhoth

Nope, he also has improved the relationship with Europe and the US. He will cut clima gasses for the US (although Bush actually tried to do something decent about that topic at the end of his term), and hopefully make an impact in Copenhagen where he will present a plan.

LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"]

@ Theokhoth

Nope, he also has improved the relationship with Europe and the US. He will cut clima gasses for the US (although Bush actually tried to do something decent about that topic at the end of his term), and hopefully make an impact in Copenhagen where he will present a plan.

The_Last_Ride

They (committee) reasoned awarding him the nobel peace prize with this:"who other than him has done more for world peace in the last year?"

Can´t say i can think of anyone else tbh. The name just springs to mind, gotta´ hand it to him.

@ The_Last_Ride: So all a person has to do is be liked by Europe and he wins the Nobel Peace Prize? Every Liberal candidate in America should get one then.

So all a person has to do is be liked by Europe and he wins the Nobel Peace Prize? Every Liberal candidate in America should get one then.

Theokhoth

Obama said he didn't deserve it. And on that I agree with him.LJS9502_basic

Yup. Not even close to deserving it.

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Anyone liberal was going to have an initial better relationship with Europe than Bush.

LJS9502_basic

yeah true, but he didn't do anything to keep the relationship Clinton built during his time

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Obama said he didn't deserve it. And on that I agree with him.Flamecommando

Yup. Not even close to deserving it.

who has done more for world peace within the last years time, if not Obama?

Just curious, i can´t think of anyone else tbh

bono?

what i meant was that Bush didn't keep the good reltionship Clinton had during his term. That is what i was trying to say:)

The_Last_Ride

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Obama said he didn't deserve it. And on that I agree with him.BiancaDK

Yup. Not even close to deserving it.

who has done more for world peace within the last years time, if not Obama?

Just curious, i can´t think of anyone else tbh

bono?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Obama said he didn't deserve it. And on that I agree with him.BiancaDK

Yup. Not even close to deserving it.

who has done more for world peace within the last years time, if not Obama?

Just curious, i can´t think of anyone else tbh

bono?

There were 250 nominees, the highest number of nominees in the history of the prize. Among them was Ingrid Betancourt, a peace activist who was imprisoned for 2,321 days.

Then there was Hu Jia, a Democratic activist in China, who is still in jail for speaking against the Chinese government.

These two people ALONE have done more for peace both in the world and in their respective communities than Obama has ever done in his life, let alone this past year.

[QUOTE="Flamecommando"]

Yup. Not even close to deserving it.

who has done more for world peace within the last years time, if not Obama?

Just curious, i can´t think of anyone else tbh

bono?

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[QUOTE="Flamecommando"]

Yup. Not even close to deserving it.

who has done more for world peace within the last years time, if not Obama?

Just curious, i can´t think of anyone else tbh

bono?

There were 250 nominees, the highest number of nominees in the history of the prize. Among them was Ingrid Betancourt, a peace activist who was imprisoned for 2,321 days.

Then there was Hu Jia, a Democratic activist in China, who is still in jail for speaking against the Chinese government.

These two people ALONE have done more for peace both in the world and in their respective communities than Obama has ever done in his life, let alone this past year.

advocated for it and promoted the values of world peace, world wide, pretty much non-stop -- and actually getting the message thru in people´s minds in a somewhat believable wayBiancaDK

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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

who has done more for world peace within the last years time, if not Obama?

Just curious, i can´t think of anyone else tbh

bono?

BiancaDK

There were 250 nominees, the highest number of nominees in the history of the prize. Among them was Ingrid Betancourt, a peace activist who was imprisoned for 2,321 days.

Then there was Hu Jia, a Democratic activist in China, who is still in jail for speaking against the Chinese government.

These two people ALONE have done more for peace both in the world and in their respective communities than Obama has ever done in his life, let alone this past year.

. . . .Did you even read the links? :|

How about Greg Mortenson?

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] advocated for it and promoted the values of world peace, world wide, pretty much non-stop -- and actually getting the message thru in people´s minds in a somewhat believable wayLJS9502_basic

. . .Did you even read the links? :|Theokhoth

FINE FINE ill read your *grumbls while entering links* better be damn convincingBiancaDK

I have more: Thich Quang Do and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Yes, we can all advocate for world peace, but where is your audience, where is your chance to make a shift or change in the general mentality, on a global scale, or even affect it the slightest? You can´t, he can, and he tries to the best of his abilities i can only assumeBiancaDK

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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]Advocated for it? There were other nominees for instance who were imprisoned for it. Seems a weak reason to me......heck I advocate for peace. Where is my prize?

BiancaDK

. . .Did you even read the links? :|Theokhoth

yeah i think he has done much, but people have the right or their own opinion:)

I actually feel as if all three mentioned individuals by theokhoth are more deserving than Obama for the prize, there is certainly a lot more sweat, blood and tears to be found.

But i still don´t think Obama is undeserving of the prize, tho. He wouldn´t have been my pick neither, but given the committee´s reasoning, i can only agree with them, altho it doesen´t sit well with me after reading those 3 links.

yeah i think he has done much, but people have the right or their own opinion:)

The_Last_Ride

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Yes, we can all advocate for world peace, but where is your audience, where is your chance to make a shift or change in the general mentality, on a global scale, or even affect it the slightest? You can´t, he can, and he tries to the best of his abilities i can only assume

I actually feel as if all three mentioned individuals by theokhoth are more deserving than Obama for the prize, there is certainly a lot more sweat, blood and tears to be found.

But i still don´t think Obama is undeserving of the prize, tho. He wouldn´t have been my pick neither, but given the committee´s reasoning, i can only agree with them, altho it doesen´t sit well with me after reading those 3 links.

BiancaDK

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Yes, we can all advocate for world peace, but where is your audience, where is your chance to make a shift or change in the general mentality, on a global scale, or even affect it the slightest? You can´t, he can, and he tries to the best of his abilities i can only assume

I actually feel as if all three mentioned individuals by theokhoth are more deserving than Obama for the prize, there is certainly a lot more sweat, blood and tears to be found.

But i still don´t think Obama is undeserving of the prize, tho. He wouldn´t have been my pick neither, but given the committee´s reasoning, i can only agree with them, altho it doesen´t sit well with me after reading those 3 links.

BiancaDK

I'm not saying Obama has done nothing, but he hasn't done anything deserving this prize, and there are countless people who have. We won't find out who all of them are, however, for fifty years; but some of them revealed themselves.

I actually feel as if all three mentioned individuals by theokhoth are more deserving than Obama for the prize, there is certainly a lot more sweat, blood and tears to be found.

But i still don´t think Obama is undeserving of the prize, tho. He wouldn´t have been my pick neither, but given the committee´s reasoning, i can only agree with them, altho it doesen´t sit well with me after reading those 3 links.

You didn't clear anything up... Obama hasn't done anything yet as president, let alone anything worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize.

LJS: Based on the committees reasoning, the criterias they themselves put out, and then awarding someone the prize, you would still disagree with the choice? I think its a perfectly sound choice, again, given THEIR values. And it does feel quite meaningless these days, yes -- which is unfortunate.BiancaDK

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I actually feel as if all three mentioned individuals by theokhoth are more deserving than Obama for the prize, there is certainly a lot more sweat, blood and tears to be found.

But i still don´t think Obama is undeserving of the prize, tho. He wouldn´t have been my pick neither, but given the committee´s reasoning, i can only agree with them, altho it doesen´t sit well with me after reading those 3 links.

I'm not saying Obama has done nothing, but he hasn't done anything deserving this prize, and there are countless people who have. We won't find out who all of them are, however, for fifty years; but some of them revealed themselves.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]He talks the talk but hasn't walked the walk.

LJS9502_basic

nah i don't think it's meaningless, but i can't disagree that there might be a political decision behind it. The main reason they give it isn't because their work for peace

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] LJS: Based on the committees reasoning, the criterias they themselves put out, and then awarding someone the prize, you would still disagree with the choice? I think its a perfectly sound choice, again, given THEIR values. And it does feel quite meaningless these days, yes -- which is unfortunate.LJS9502_basic

Wether or not there are political influences is something i wont go into, i havent done my research on that department, but its definitely probable ill give you that

regardless, im not gonna defend the committees reasoning nor their values anymore, i dont even agree with them myself ethically, but i can understand why they landed on Obama, that´s all.

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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] LJS: Based on the committees reasoning, the criterias they themselves put out, and then awarding someone the prize, you would still disagree with the choice? I think its a perfectly sound choice, again, given THEIR values. And it does feel quite meaningless these days, yes -- which is unfortunate.BiancaDK

Wether or not there are political influences is something i wont go into, i havent done my research on that department, but its definitely probable ill give you that

regardless, im not gonna defend the committees reasoning nor their values anymore, i dont even agree with them myself ethically, but i can understand why they landed on Obama, that´s all.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yes I disagree with the choice. Next year perhaps had he done something toward peace than that would be different. But 12 days into an administration where he did nothing toward peace but spout a political ideology to receive votes...yes I disagree. And I think it's more political than deserving.

LJS9502_basic

Wether or not there are political influences is something i wont go into, i havent done my research on that department, but its definitely probable ill give you that

regardless, im not gonna defend the committees reasoning nor their values anymore, i dont even agree with them myself ethically, but i can understand why they landed on Obama, that´s all.

[I wasn't arguing with you. Just stating my point of view.:PLJS9502_basic

The fact is he was only in office for 11 days and the Norwegians still elected him as a contender. This appointment has nothing to do with his achievements it's a political appointment.

But my point of the topic was to inform people more why he got it:)The_Last_Ride

Well, first off; no one really needs to do anything to be awarded a Nobel Peace prize, the Nobel committee just needs to like the cut of their jib.

Secondly; the sole, painfully obvious reason that he was given the Nobel Peace prize is that he is considerably less crappy than our last president.

Well, first off; no one really needs to do anything to be awarded a Nobel Peace prize, the Nobel committee just needs to like the cut of their jib.

Secondly; the sole, painfully obvious reason that he was given the Nobel Peace prize is that he is considerably less crappy than our last president.

t3hTwinky

second part is true, but the first part isn¨t