Clinton leading the Democrates votes... Update, Struggle in the Democratic party

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]Could you guys please stop debating about what would happen if the USA tried to invade Canada? It's kind of childish because it's so unrealistic.
darkmoney52

No, that's the thing, it's NOT unrealistic. We may not seem like it now, but for 100 years the United States was an Imperial Nation (Meaning we were imperialist and constantly added/conquered new territories) Its how we got to where we are and a fallback method if we ever start falling out of power.

Oil is starting to run thin. Oil underground is going to start tapping out in many areas soon, and the US will start faltering on it's position of Superpower. The US is a country that very realisticly may fall back on Imperialistic habits. Its not entirely against the intentions of our founders, because they did the same in the 1800's. isolationism fell out of favor in the US in the first 30 years of its existence.

It's unrealistic becaue I highly doubt that the USA would invade an ally nation. America is no longer imperialist, and the American people would be very upset if we tried to conquer other countries for economic reasons.

I don't think Americans would be upset(We're an apathetic people) but other countries sure as hell would. Invading Canada for dubious reasons is one thing, a developed nation like Canada is another.

A lot of Americans are upset over just the Iraq war, which is for a noble reason. Imagine how it would be if it had nothing to do with national security! Doesn't matter what party you're in, no one wants an imperialist nation (well maybe some, though they are crazy). :P

Well, I'm not going to debate your first statement seeing how far off-track we've already gone, but really, what have Americans done because we're upset? Posted angry blogs? Satirical Youtube videos? It doesn't matter. If we invaded Canada no one would care enough to do anything about it(Though I'm sure on the day we do that internet forums will be quite outraged :) ) And then, four years later, we'll elect a President who says that we should stay in Canada for another decade or so and see if it works out.

Well, I'm sure that there would be lots of protests and riots.

Protests maybe, but I don't think they'd be very motivated, and I definitely don't think there would be any rioting.darkmoney52

Especially if the war resulted in a stronger economy and cheaper gas and energy prices. Many people would be pulled in by that fact alone. You'd really only have your social elites and far left politicians moaning about the war once people started realizing the positive effects of it.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]Protests maybe, but I don't think they'd be very motivated, and I definitely don't think there would be any rioting.Tolwan

Especially if the war resulted in a stronger economy and cheaper gas and energy prices. Many people would be pulled in by that fact alone. You'd really only have your social elites and far left politicians moaning about the war once people started realizing the positive effects of it.

Well that might be a bit too far, I think most decent people would have a problem with invading our Canadian neighbors(Specially here in Washington where many people enjoy visiting Canada) but yeah, if it worked out well that would probably put an end to any serious protesting.

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]Could you guys please stop debating about what would happen if the USA tried to invade Canada? It's kind of childish because it's so unrealistic.
Tolwan

No, that's the thing, it's NOT unrealistic. We may not seem like it now, but for 100 years the United States was an Imperial Nation (Meaning we were imperialist and constantly added/conquered new territories) Its how we got to where we are and a fallback method if we ever start falling out of power.

Oil is starting to run thin. Oil underground is going to start tapping out in many areas soon, and the US will start faltering on it's position of Superpower. The US is a country that very realisticly may fall back on Imperialistic habits. Its not entirely against the intentions of our founders, because they did the same in the 1800's. isolationism fell out of favor in the US in the first 30 years of its existence.

It's unrealistic becaue I highly doubt that the USA would invade an ally nation. America is no longer imperialist, and the American people would be very upset if we tried to conquer other countries for economic reasons.

I don't think Americans would be upset(We're an apathetic people) but other countries sure as hell would. Invading Canada for dubious reasons is one thing, a developed nation like Canada is another.

A lot of Americans are upset over just the Iraq war, which is for a noble reason. Imagine how it would be if it had nothing to do with national security! Doesn't matter what party you're in, no one wants an imperialist nation (well maybe some, though they are crazy). :P

That's where you are wrong. People arent upset about the war because its a war. They're upset because it's taking us so long and our strategy is ineffective. Say we win the Iraq war, it's stabalized, we set up bases, have a new ally. We could IMMEDIATLY invade iran, say it's for the sake of both the region, israel, and american security, and the majority of the nation would back behind it (Minus far lefters and hippies) so long as we have an effective strategy or cut exposure in the media.

The war is going pretty well right now, because of the troop surge. We win it through strength, not retreat. This new surge is proof, and John McCain was one of the first people to call for it. He was right, and Donald Rumsfeld had an under-achieving strategy. Things are getting better, and the military is on pace to actually withdraw some troops in Spring or Summer, I think.

We need to finish up in Iraq, NOT RETREAT. If we withdraw most or all of our combat troops, Al Qaeda will come back and make safe haven. Then we would be less safe!

Just because things in Iraq were going slowly for a few years doesn't mean that we can give up because it's not that popular. We need to win it so that our combat troops can leave!

This war can be won, because we're not the only ones fighting. Eventually, the Iraqi police and military will be able to take over the role of our combat troops, and then the war will be over. Of course, we'll still have some troops there for quite a while.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]Could you guys please stop debating about what would happen if the USA tried to invade Canada? It's kind of childish because it's so unrealistic.
MayorJohnny

No, that's the thing, it's NOT unrealistic. We may not seem like it now, but for 100 years the United States was an Imperial Nation (Meaning we were imperialist and constantly added/conquered new territories) Its how we got to where we are and a fallback method if we ever start falling out of power.

Oil is starting to run thin. Oil underground is going to start tapping out in many areas soon, and the US will start faltering on it's position of Superpower. The US is a country that very realisticly may fall back on Imperialistic habits. Its not entirely against the intentions of our founders, because they did the same in the 1800's. isolationism fell out of favor in the US in the first 30 years of its existence.

It's unrealistic becaue I highly doubt that the USA would invade an ally nation. America is no longer imperialist, and the American people would be very upset if we tried to conquer other countries for economic reasons.

I don't think Americans would be upset(We're an apathetic people) but other countries sure as hell would. Invading Canada for dubious reasons is one thing, a developed nation like Canada is another.

A lot of Americans are upset over just the Iraq war, which is for a noble reason. Imagine how it would be if it had nothing to do with national security! Doesn't matter what party you're in, no one wants an imperialist nation (well maybe some, though they are crazy). :P

That's where you are wrong. People arent upset about the war because its a war. They're upset because it's taking us so long and our strategy is ineffective. Say we win the Iraq war, it's stabalized, we set up bases, have a new ally. We could IMMEDIATLY invade iran, say it's for the sake of both the region, israel, and american security, and the majority of the nation would back behind it (Minus far lefters and hippies) so long as we have an effective strategy or cut exposure in the media.

The war is going pretty well right now, because of the troop surge. We win it through strenght, not retreat. This new surge is proof, and John McCain was one of the first people to call for it. He was right, and Donald Rumsfeld had an under-achieving strategy. Things are getting better, and the military is on pace to actually withdraw some troops in Spring or Summer, I think.

We need to finish up in Iraq, NOT RETREAT. If we withdraw most or all of our combat troops, Al Qaeda will come back and make safe haven. Then we would be less safe!

Just because things in Iraq were going slowly for a few years doesn't mean that we can give up because it's not that popular. We need to win it so that our combat troops can leave!

This war can be won, because we're not the only ones fighting. Eventually, the Iraqi police and military will be able to take over the role of our combat troops, and then the war will be over. Of course, we'll still have some troops there for quite a while.

What are you talking about? That's what i said. People arent upset about the War, they were upset about the initial strategy and lost faith in the administration. It's just taking a bit for people to rebound from the initial strategy, but support for the war is on a constant incline. And people would easily support a war in Iran after winning in Iraq, which was my point. If there is a purpose to the war, any purpose, people will support. Especially if it has a direct economic impact on them.

And even if it didnt, protests and riots would be very limited, especially in this day and age.

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]Could you guys please stop debating about what would happen if the USA tried to invade Canada? It's kind of childish because it's so unrealistic.
Tolwan

No, that's the thing, it's NOT unrealistic. We may not seem like it now, but for 100 years the United States was an Imperial Nation (Meaning we were imperialist and constantly added/conquered new territories) Its how we got to where we are and a fallback method if we ever start falling out of power.

Oil is starting to run thin. Oil underground is going to start tapping out in many areas soon, and the US will start faltering on it's position of Superpower. The US is a country that very realisticly may fall back on Imperialistic habits. Its not entirely against the intentions of our founders, because they did the same in the 1800's. isolationism fell out of favor in the US in the first 30 years of its existence.

It's unrealistic becaue I highly doubt that the USA would invade an ally nation. America is no longer imperialist, and the American people would be very upset if we tried to conquer other countries for economic reasons.

I don't think Americans would be upset(We're an apathetic people) but other countries sure as hell would. Invading Canada for dubious reasons is one thing, a developed nation like Canada is another.

A lot of Americans are upset over just the Iraq war, which is for a noble reason. Imagine how it would be if it had nothing to do with national security! Doesn't matter what party you're in, no one wants an imperialist nation (well maybe some, though they are crazy). :P

That's where you are wrong. People arent upset about the war because its a war. They're upset because it's taking us so long and our strategy is ineffective. Say we win the Iraq war, it's stabalized, we set up bases, have a new ally. We could IMMEDIATLY invade iran, say it's for the sake of both the region, israel, and american security, and the majority of the nation would back behind it (Minus far lefters and hippies) so long as we have an effective strategy or cut exposure in the media.

The war is going pretty well right now, because of the troop surge. We win it through strenght, not retreat. This new surge is proof, and John McCain was one of the first people to call for it. He was right, and Donald Rumsfeld had an under-achieving strategy. Things are getting better, and the military is on pace to actually withdraw some troops in Spring or Summer, I think.

We need to finish up in Iraq, NOT RETREAT. If we withdraw most or all of our combat troops, Al Qaeda will come back and make safe haven. Then we would be less safe!

Just because things in Iraq were going slowly for a few years doesn't mean that we can give up because it's not that popular. We need to win it so that our combat troops can leave!

This war can be won, because we're not the only ones fighting. Eventually, the Iraqi police and military will be able to take over the role of our combat troops, and then the war will be over. Of course, we'll still have some troops there for quite a while.

What are you talking about? That's what i said. People arent upset about the War, they were upset about the initial strategy and lost faith in the administration. It's just taking a bit for people to rebound from the initial strategy, but support for the war is on a constant incline. And people would easily support a war in Iran after winning in Iraq, which was my point. If there is a purpose to the war, any purpose, people will support. Especially if it has a direct economic impact on them.

And even if it didnt, protests and riots would be very limited, especially in this day and age.

Okay. Obviosuly, the initial strategy wasn't completely effective because we didn't have enough troops, for one. Now the troop surge has proved this, because things were pretty bloody right before the new strategy was implemented in early 2007.

So, lots of people need to be a little more patient. This troop surge is saving this war effort, and that's one reason why John McCain would be a good President. He might be even more aggressive, and that means that things will get acclomplished in Iraq even faster.

I don't know if there will be war with Iran. I would definitely support a surgical strike, though. The USA and Israel could completely destroy the Iranian milatary.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]Protests maybe, but I don't think they'd be very motivated, and I definitely don't think there would be any rioting.darkmoney52

Especially if the war resulted in a stronger economy and cheaper gas and energy prices. Many people would be pulled in by that fact alone. You'd really only have your social elites and far left politicians moaning about the war once people started realizing the positive effects of it.

Well that might be a bit too far, I think most decent people would have a problem with invading our Canadian neighbors(Specially here in Washington where many people enjoy visiting Canada) but yeah, if it worked out well that would probably put an end to any serious protesting.

Of course, until the bombings and "terrorist" attacks start. A lot of indifferent Canadians(those who are disgruntled with the political realm here) would sit back and act as if nothing was changed, but there would be groups that would form up and...well, raise awareness to their discontent, so to speak. As I've said, the Canadian border is huge; there's no way to defend it.

When the homeland is getting attacked, people tend to ask the government why they thought the reason for those attacks was so important.

Canada could be taken, yes. I live on the largest Air Base in Canada(at least, it was 2 years ago...Borden may have grown more), and to say it's secure is humourous. I've seen my fair share of military bases in Canada, and most are about rhe same. It's the disgruntled population that would be the problem. The saboteurs and guerilla groups that form to fight back.

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="Tolwan"]

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"]Protests maybe, but I don't think they'd be very motivated, and I definitely don't think there would be any rioting.Lockedge

Especially if the war resulted in a stronger economy and cheaper gas and energy prices. Many people would be pulled in by that fact alone. You'd really only have your social elites and far left politicians moaning about the war once people started realizing the positive effects of it.

Well that might be a bit too far, I think most decent people would have a problem with invading our Canadian neighbors(Specially here in Washington where many people enjoy visiting Canada) but yeah, if it worked out well that would probably put an end to any serious protesting.

Of course, until the bombings and "terrorist" attacks start. A lot of indifferent Canadians(those who are disgruntled with the political realm here) would sit back and act as if nothing was changed, but there would be groups that would form up and...well, raise awareness to their discontent, so to speak. As I've said, the Canadian border is huge; there's no way to defend it.

When the homeland is getting attacked, people tend to ask the government why they thought the reason for those attacks was so important.

Canada could be taken, yes. I live on the largest Air Base in Canada(at least, it was 2 years ago...Borden may have grown more), and to say it's secure is humourous. I've seen my fair share of military bases in Canada, and most are about rhe same. It's the disgruntled population that would be the problem. The saboteurs and guerilla groups that form to fight back.

They wouldnt be able to do much. We've increased our security departments effectiveness by over 200%. That's why there havent been any terrorist attacks since 9/11. Not even LOCAL terrorist attacks by normal american citizens. We have a good lockdown here. There have been some close calls..Doesnt mean we're invinceable of course, a couple attacks will get through. But the canadian population is pretty small and it's right next to the US so it'd be easy to carry over our own national gaurd and police forces to secure Canada until the guerilla activity dies down after a while. And if we Annex Canada, that means Canada becomes US territory. No more border to gaurd.

a woman can't be president, its just... the law... plus Borack Obama is a total environmentalist, :Pgorilazandgames

i love obama tho

I'm about as streight as a guy gets, but I think i have a crush on Obama. :oops:Rikusaki

Sound kinda gay to me lol. But I like him too. He is amazing.

But it's not over yet. Obama still has a good chance of being nominated.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]I'm about as streight as a guy gets, but I think i have a crush on Obama. :oops:TREAL_Since

Sound kinda gay to me lol. But I like him too. He is amazing.

But it's not over yet. Obama still has a good chance of being nominated.

yay thank u! i hope he wins!

[QUOTE="MrDziekuje"]It's frightening.Video_Game_King

But plausible. This is the same public that made crap like Hannah Montana and Meet the Spartans #1 on all of the charts.

I second that whole heartedly