Confederate Flag: Your take?

I don't know if people outside the US have an opinion on this or not, but if you do I'd be interested in hearing it.

Basically, if you don't know: The US Civil War (some schools in the south still teach it as "The War of Rising Nothern Aggression") was fought between the North and the South. The North was basically the US government, the South suceeded from the US. To make a long story short, the North won. However the confederate (south) flag is still flown and worn by people today.

Some people are offeded by this as they view the flag as a symbol of slavery (which the south fought for), racisim and rebellion. Those who support it say that it isn't, but they want to support the south.

I'm from the north. I've alway kind of been against it (I mean you lost, give it up); but I do acknowledge that some people who use it aren't pro-slavery. Lynyrd Skynyrd uses it all the time, and yet one of their songs (The Ballad Of Curtis Loew) talks about a black man who was the best blues guitarist ever.

What's your take?

Heritage, not hate.CptJSparrow

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Heritage, not hate.blackngold29

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Heritage, not hate.CptJSparrow

I support people supporting their heritage, just not sticking it in my face all the time.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Heritage, not hate.blackngold29

I support people supporting their heritage, just not sticking it in my face all the time.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Heritage, not hate.CptJSparrow

I support people supporting their heritage, just not sticking it in my face all the time.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Heritage, not hate.CptJSparrow

I support people supporting their heritage, just not sticking it in my face all the time.

Theres no point in flying the American flag everywhere, I mean I get the idea we are in America, but I don't mind when guys flash flags, it's when they start putting on masks and getting crosses...

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Heritage, not hate.CptJSparrow

I support people supporting their heritage, just not sticking it in my face all the time.

Wat about wearing a nazi belt buckle? they'd offend people too right?

I see it the same as using the Nazi flag and saying German pridekakkarott23

[QUOTE="kakkarott23"]I see it the same as using the Nazi flag and saying German prideblackngold29

Nazism is part of Germany's heratiage just as the Confederacy is part of the US' heratiage. I don't think it is right to celebrate the negativities as something to be proud of.

[QUOTE="kakkarott23"]I see it the same as using the Nazi flag and saying German prideblackngold29

Confederatist =/= southerner...

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="kakkarott23"]I see it the same as using the Nazi flag and saying German pridejointed

Confederatist =/= southerner...

[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="kakkarott23"]I see it the same as using the Nazi flag and saying German prideblackngold29

Confederatist =/= southerner...

My point is that the principle of a German flying a nazi flag is exactly the same as a southerner flying a confederate flag...

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="kakkarott23"]I see it the same as using the Nazi flag and saying German pridejointed

Confederatist =/= southerner...

My point is that the principle of a German flying a nazi flag is exactly the same as a southerner flying a confederate flag...

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="kakkarott23"]I see it the same as using the Nazi flag and saying German prideblackngold29

Confederatist =/= southerner...

My point is that the principle of a German flying a nazi flag is exactly the same as a southerner flying a confederate flag...

it's illegal there I think.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"] Yeah, I guess that's true. Never really thought about it. I don't think I could find an American who doesn't hate when other Americans who fly the Nazi flag. I don't know if people still fly it in Germany though.Donkey_Puncher

it's illegal there I think.

It represents Southern Heritage and Pride. People believe it represents hate because groups like the KKK and Skinheads are using it the wrong way. I know so many people that wear the flag with pride and they are not racist at all. If they were they wouldn't be my friend. CommanderShiro

It represents Southern Heritage and Pride. People believe it represents hate because groups like the KKK and Skinheads are using it the wrong way. I know so many people that wear the flag with pride and they are not racist at all. If they were they wouldn't be my friend. CommanderShiro

The secession from the union, and the creation of the confederacy (which the Confederate flag represents) directly has to do with the insitution of slavery.. Thats why they seceded and that is it. And I also find this laughable "sourthern heritage and pride" yeah because the support of one the darkest parts in our history, slavery, is somethign to take pride in.

It represents Southern Heritage and Pride. People believe it represents hate because groups like the KKK and Skinheads are using it the wrong way. I know so many people that wear the flag with pride and they are not racist at all. If they were they wouldn't be my friend. CommanderShiro

why would people feel pride over a symbol of slavery? As for heritage, the symbol didn't exist before the civil war.

[QUOTE="CommanderShiro"]It represents Southern Heritage and Pride. People believe it represents hate because groups like the KKK and Skinheads are using it the wrong way. I know so many people that wear the flag with pride and they are not racist at all. If they were they wouldn't be my friend. sSubZerOo

The secession from the union, and the creation of the confederacy (which the Confederate flag represents) directly has to do with the insitution of slavery.. Thats why they seceded and that is it. And I also find this laughable "sourthern heritage and pride" yeah because the support of one the darkest parts in our history, slavery, is somethign to take pride in.

Slavery was the main cause but deep down most southerners were fearful of the north changing their way of life.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="CommanderShiro"]It represents Southern Heritage and Pride. People believe it represents hate because groups like the KKK and Skinheads are using it the wrong way. I know so many people that wear the flag with pride and they are not racist at all. If they were they wouldn't be my friend. Ragnarok1051

The secession from the union, and the creation of the confederacy (which the Confederate flag represents) directly has to do with the insitution of slavery.. Thats why they seceded and that is it. And I also find this laughable "sourthern heritage and pride" yeah because the support of one the darkest parts in our history, slavery, is somethign to take pride in.

Slavery was the main cause but deep down most southerners were fearful of the north changing their way of life.

WHICH directly had to do with slavery.. SLAVERY and its institution was their way of life.. You can't go around it, that was their main concern, was slavery.

Slavery was the main cause but deep down most southerners were fearful of the north changing their way of life.Ragnarok1051

Way of life... like the plantation lifestyle?

The Confederate flag is all about slavery.. That was the main reason why they seceded and made their own country for a brief time, to defend the injust institution of slavery. There is no ifs ands and buts about it.. Thats why the south seceded, and nothing else.. It embodies slavery becauses thats why they seceded to begin with.sSubZerOo

Yep.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Slavery was the main cause but deep down most southerners were fearful of the north changing their way of life.Oleg_Huzwog

Way of life... like the plantation lifestyle?

Yep people need to do some more reading up on this stuff.. Suggest they read books like Beyond the River by Hagedorn.. If you even spoke out against slavery in some of those pro slavery communities, there was a very good chance you would get tarred and feathered, beaten up or even lynched... Slavery was their way of life, on what they are talking about.. Any one who flys the confederate flag thinking it as anything else is ignorant.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="CommanderShiro"]It represents Southern Heritage and Pride. People believe it represents hate because groups like the KKK and Skinheads are using it the wrong way. I know so many people that wear the flag with pride and they are not racist at all. If they were they wouldn't be my friend. sSubZerOo

The secession from the union, and the creation of the confederacy (which the Confederate flag represents) directly has to do with the insitution of slavery.. Thats why they seceded and that is it. And I also find this laughable "sourthern heritage and pride" yeah because the support of one the darkest parts in our history, slavery, is somethign to take pride in.

Slavery was the main cause but deep down most southerners were fearful of the north changing their way of life.

WHICH directly had to do with slavery.. SLAVERY and its institution was their way of life.. You can't go around it, that was their main concern, was slavery.

Government was controlled by the states and there was a split between slave states and free states. Conflicts would come up where new states would be added and nobody knew whether they would be free or slave. Whoever had control would be able to pass legistlation that favored them more. Hope this makes sense.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="CommanderShiro"]It represents Southern Heritage and Pride. People believe it represents hate because groups like the KKK and Skinheads are using it the wrong way. I know so many people that wear the flag with pride and they are not racist at all. If they were they wouldn't be my friend. Ragnarok1051

The secession from the union, and the creation of the confederacy (which the Confederate flag represents) directly has to do with the insitution of slavery.. Thats why they seceded and that is it. And I also find this laughable "sourthern heritage and pride" yeah because the support of one the darkest parts in our history, slavery, is somethign to take pride in.

Slavery was the main cause but deep down most southerners were fearful of the north changing their way of life.

WHICH directly had to do with slavery.. SLAVERY and its institution was their way of life.. You can't go around it, that was their main concern, was slavery.

Government was controlled by the states and there was a split between slave states and free states. Conflicts would come up where new states would be added and nobody knew whether they would be free or slave. Whoever had control would be able to pass legistlation that favored them more. Hope this makes sense.

Actually there was a 50/50 split of slave states for that reason.. Infact prior to the civil war in the 20-50's slave holders held the government.. They started making insane acts that violated peoples liberties such as the Fugitive slave Act..

No that is wrong yet again they passed the Missouri compromise which made it clear which states were free states or slave states.

So much worse things happened under the U.S Flag, when you're going to be proud of a certain flag, you have to take the good with the bad, I mean ALOT of evil was commited under the U.S flag, confederate flag, and most other flags in the world.

For this reason I could never bring myself to salute a flag, it just seems so silly. I don't brandish it, or get all worked up over it, it's just so darned silly.

So much worse things happened under the U.S Flag, when you're going to be proud of a certain flag, you have to take the good with the bad, I mean ALOT of evil was commited under the U.S flag, confederate flag, and most other flags in the world.

For this reason I could never bring myself to salute a flag, it just seems so silly. I don't brandish it, or get all worked up over it, it's just so darned silly.

Siofen

No one is argueing that.. But the Confederacy Flag was created on the sole purpose to uphold the instiution of slavery.. The American flag of today represents liberty, freedoms etc etc..

So much worse things happened under the U.S Flag, when you're going to be proud of a certain flag, you have to take the good with the bad, I mean ALOT of evil was commited under the U.S flag, confederate flag, and most other flags in the world.

For this reason I could never bring myself to salute a flag, it just seems so silly. I don't brandish it, or get all worked up over it, it's just so darned silly.

Siofen

Actually there was a 50/50 split of slave states for that reason.. Infact prior to the civil war in the 20-50's slave holders held the government.. They started making insane acts that violated peoples liberties such as the Fugitive slave Act..

No that is wrong yet again they passed the Missouri compromise which made it clear which states were free states or slave states.

sSubZerOo

Yes I know these things I just took a Civil War class and we had to look at each of the compromises to get an understanding of why we fought. I am a southener so we studied it from that perspective. Each side wanted a new state to be on their side, but each one brought new conflict so thats where the compromises came from to save the country from civil war, which failed in the end.

I don't mind it. Sure it can stand for some things I'm against, but on that same note as a Canadian, the American flag could also be interpreted as something against my beliefs. Either way I'm not a fan of people flaunting their nationalism like they're somehow better than you. PBSnipes

Your beliefs are against freedom, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

I don't know if people outside the US have an opinion on this or not, but if you do I'd be interested in hearing it.

Basically, if you don't know: The US Civil War (some schools in the south still teach it as "The War of Rising Nothern Aggression") was fought between the North and the South. The North was basically the US government, the South suceeded from the US. To make a long story short, the North won. However the confederate (south) flag is still flown and worn by people today.

Some people are offeded by this as they view the flag as a symbol of slavery (which the south fought for), racisim and rebellion. Those who support it say that it isn't, but they want to support the south.

I'm from the north. I've alway kind of been against it (I mean you lost, give it up); but I do acknowledge that some people who use it aren't pro-slavery. Lynyrd Skynyrd uses it all the time, and yet one of their songs (The Ballad Of Curtis Loew) talks about a black man who was the best blues guitarist ever.

What's your take?

blackngold29

my opinion is that its freedom of speech, even if I dont particularly agree with what the person waving the flag believes it means. Anyone who says it should be banned should consider moving to a totalitarian government

[QUOTE="Siofen"]

So much worse things happened under the U.S Flag, when you're going to be proud of a certain flag, you have to take the good with the bad, I mean ALOT of evil was commited under the U.S flag, confederate flag, and most other flags in the world.

For this reason I could never bring myself to salute a flag, it just seems so silly. I don't brandish it, or get all worked up over it, it's just so darned silly.

blackngold29

Why should anyone feel pride for a place they were born? I find myself thankful to live in Canada because of the many places I COULD have been born, but not proud...national pride rarely leads to good thingd

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]

I don't know if people outside the US have an opinion on this or not, but if you do I'd be interested in hearing it.

Basically, if you don't know: The US Civil War (some schools in the south still teach it as "The War of Rising Nothern Aggression") was fought between the North and the South. The North was basically the US government, the South suceeded from the US. To make a long story short, the North won. However the confederate (south) flag is still flown and worn by people today.

Some people are offeded by this as they view the flag as a symbol of slavery (which the south fought for), racisim and rebellion. Those who support it say that it isn't, but they want to support the south.

I'm from the north. I've alway kind of been against it (I mean you lost, give it up); but I do acknowledge that some people who use it aren't pro-slavery. Lynyrd Skynyrd uses it all the time, and yet one of their songs (The Ballad Of Curtis Loew) talks about a black man who was the best blues guitarist ever.

What's your take?

H8sMikeMoore

my opinion is that its freedom of speech, even if I dont particularly agree with what the person waving the flag believes it means. Anyone who says it should be banned should consider moving to a totalitarian government

Which I agree, I just don't think people should put it on their government houses.. Because in the end its just another symbol for the upholding of slavery as a institution.