Confederate Flag: Your take?

[QUOTE="1stCommando"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]Slavery still exists in the world today, so I doubt everyone thinks it's bad. It seems you came to one funeral in Connecticut and have based the entire north off what you saw, which is a bad way to make a judgement.blackngold29

And if people judged you by your accent then their idiots.

Yeah. He has 2 house slaves. They're both girls. They go out with friends and stuff though, they just work for free and he lets them live with him.1stCommando

[QUOTE="1stCommando"] Yeah. He has 2 house slaves. They're both girls. They go out with friends and stuff though, they just work for free and he lets them live with him.blackngold29

2. Because we sell cotton to him, and he's a family friend. You can't turn in your friends. Plus they wouldn't know how to live without him. They would just wander around and eventually starve if he wasn't there.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="1stCommando"] Yeah. He has 2 house slaves. They're both girls. They go out with friends and stuff though, they just work for free and he lets them live with him.1stCommando

2. Because we sell cotton to him, and he's a family friend. You can't turn in your friends. Plus they wouldn't know how to live without him. They would just wander around and eventually starve if he wasn't there.

[QUOTE="1stCommando"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="1stCommando"] Yeah. He has 2 house slaves. They're both girls. They go out with friends and stuff though, they just work for free and he lets them live with him.blackngold29

2. Because we sell cotton to him, and he's a family friend. You can't turn in your friends. Plus they wouldn't know how to live without him. They would just wander around and eventually starve if he wasn't there.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="1stCommando"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="1stCommando"] Yeah. He has 2 house slaves. They're both girls. They go out with friends and stuff though, they just work for free and he lets them live with him.1stCommando

2. Because we sell cotton to him, and he's a family friend. You can't turn in your friends. Plus they wouldn't know how to live without him. They would just wander around and eventually starve if he wasn't there.

[QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]His point is perception. Regardless of what the Confederate flag truly stands for, it will always be perceived as the flag of a racist, slave-ridden south. Right or wrong, that is the way things are. It should be left in the past along with the Civil War. If you have one, keep it as a momento if you like. Just understand that if you wave it out somewhere or fly it off your truck, people will not see it as anything more than an obnoxious attempt at indirect racism. Just as the Nazi flag will forever be seen as a representation of the brutality against the Jews and terror unleashed by Hitler on the world. There is no way to divorce slavery from the Confederate flag. It has no place in a society that is trying to move on from that era. 1stCommando

[QUOTE="1stCommando"][QUOTE="-ArchAngeL-777-"]His point is perception. Regardless of what the Confederate flag truly stands for, it will always be perceived as the flag of a racist, slave-ridden south. Right or wrong, that is the way things are. It should be left in the past along with the Civil War. If you have one, keep it as a momento if you like. Just understand that if you wave it out somewhere or fly it off your truck, people will not see it as anything more than an obnoxious attempt at indirect racism. Just as the Nazi flag will forever be seen as a representation of the brutality against the Jews and terror unleashed by Hitler on the world. There is no way to divorce slavery from the Confederate flag. It has no place in a society that is trying to move on from that era. -ArchAngeL-777-

i live in south carolina and think the flag should be in museums not on peoples cars or them walking around wearing them. i swear every time i see someone with one of those flags on i want to deck them. the flag was a way for south carolina to seperate themselves from the union. kkk use as a sign of hate. why do people feel the need to show off this flag? are they just attention *****s

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="1stCommando"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="1stCommando"][QUOTE="blackngold29"] Just like the Nazi flage doesn't stand for killing Jews?1stCommando

It doesn't matter how you feel about it man. Its just the way it is.

The flag has connotations that simply cant be removed. Just like how the swastika has connotations that cant be removed. You can wave the flag and say its southern pride but when someone sees that and says "why is that man waving a racist flag in public?", he isn't being ignorant in the slightest.

Slavery and anything associated with slavery has no place in this era... And whether you like it or not, the Confederate flag represents slavery.

yea they wave around for pride. I lived in southern missouri for a couple years (the ozarks) and I saw the confederate flag more often than the american flag. But, the people were very nice. I don't know about racism, as there weren't any minorities (at all) down there, and I'm pretty sure the KKK was big. But I believe they fly it as a matter of pride and heritage, not racism.mohfrontline

I love South Park's take on this.

When they wanted to change the city flag, cause it had the white stick figures hanging a black stick figure.

Get a clue people, they were talking about the Confederate Flag.

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]yea they wave around for pride. I lived in southern missouri for a couple years (the ozarks) and I saw the confederate flag more often than the american flag. But, the people were very nice. I don't know about racism, as there weren't any minorities (at all) down there, and I'm pretty sure the KKK was big. But I believe they fly it as a matter of pride and heritage, not racism.RenegadePatriot

Hello!? Do you know anything about American history, one of the biggest reasons they made that flag and rebelled against the north was because the rest of the country wanted slavery to be banished and the south didn't. Regardless of how you look at it, its not heritage and its against everything that United States stand for, because that flag was against what we are today. So if you don't feel ashamed about it then you really don't have a clue.

[QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"][QUOTE="mohfrontline"]yea they wave around for pride. I lived in southern missouri for a couple years (the ozarks) and I saw the confederate flag more often than the american flag. But, the people were very nice. I don't know about racism, as there weren't any minorities (at all) down there, and I'm pretty sure the KKK was big. But I believe they fly it as a matter of pride and heritage, not racism.xscrapzx

Hello!? Do you know anything about American history, one of the biggest reasons they made that flag and rebelled against the north was because the rest of the country wanted slavery to be banished and the south didn't. Regardless of how you look at it, its not heritage and its against everything that United States stand for, because that flag was against what we are today. So if you don't feel ashamed about it then you really don't have a clue.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

[QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"][QUOTE="mohfrontline"]yea they wave around for pride. I lived in southern missouri for a couple years (the ozarks) and I saw the confederate flag more often than the american flag. But, the people were very nice. I don't know about racism, as there weren't any minorities (at all) down there, and I'm pretty sure the KKK was big. But I believe they fly it as a matter of pride and heritage, not racism.RenegadePatriot

Hello!? Do you know anything about American history, one of the biggest reasons they made that flag and rebelled against the north was because the rest of the country wanted slavery to be banished and the south didn't. Regardless of how you look at it, its not heritage and its against everything that United States stand for, because that flag was against what we are today. So if you don't feel ashamed about it then you really don't have a clue.

The south may or may not have wanted to break away from the union because of Slavery, but at this point, that doesn't really matter. It has become a symbol of hate in America.

Groups like Neo Nazi's and the KKK use the Confederate flag as a symbol of their hate and bigotry. Does a good person from the South REALLY want to share the same flag that the KKK and Neo Nazi's use?

As somone who realizes the flag means more than just slavery, I'm torn on the issue. Most people don't want to admit that the civil war was coming wheather there were slaves involved or not. THe north and the south were jsut to different to coexist at teh time as a unit. (culturally and economicall). That being said, it's teh focus of such pain today that it's silly to pretend that it shouldn't hurt anyone to see it flown.

[QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

[QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"][QUOTE="mohfrontline"]yea they wave around for pride. I lived in southern missouri for a couple years (the ozarks) and I saw the confederate flag more often than the american flag. But, the people were very nice. I don't know about racism, as there weren't any minorities (at all) down there, and I'm pretty sure the KKK was big. But I believe they fly it as a matter of pride and heritage, not racism.InterpolWilco

Hello!? Do you know anything about American history, one of the biggest reasons they made that flag and rebelled against the north was because the rest of the country wanted slavery to be banished and the south didn't. Regardless of how you look at it, its not heritage and its against everything that United States stand for, because that flag was against what we are today. So if you don't feel ashamed about it then you really don't have a clue.

The south may or may not have wanted to break away from the union because of Slavery, but at this point, that doesn't really matter. It has become a symbol of hate in America.

Groups like Neo Nazi's and the KKK use the Confederate flag as a symbol of their hate and bigotry. Does a good person from the South REALLY want to share the same flag that the KKK and Neo Nazi's use?

I think people should stop associating it with hate and just realize it is more of pride and heritage.

Also too my family has never owned one slave and for the most part many white families in the South was too poor to own a slave.

[QUOTE="InterpolWilco"][QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

[QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"][QUOTE="mohfrontline"]yea they wave around for pride. I lived in southern missouri for a couple years (the ozarks) and I saw the confederate flag more often than the american flag. But, the people were very nice. I don't know about racism, as there weren't any minorities (at all) down there, and I'm pretty sure the KKK was big. But I believe they fly it as a matter of pride and heritage, not racism.RenegadePatriot

Hello!? Do you know anything about American history, one of the biggest reasons they made that flag and rebelled against the north was because the rest of the country wanted slavery to be banished and the south didn't. Regardless of how you look at it, its not heritage and its against everything that United States stand for, because that flag was against what we are today. So if you don't feel ashamed about it then you really don't have a clue.

The south may or may not have wanted to break away from the union because of Slavery, but at this point, that doesn't really matter. It has become a symbol of hate in America.

Groups like Neo Nazi's and the KKK use the Confederate flag as a symbol of their hate and bigotry. Does a good person from the South REALLY want to share the same flag that the KKK and Neo Nazi's use?

I think people should stop associating it with hate and just realize it is more of pride and heritage.

Also too my family has never owned one slave and for the most part many white families in the South was too poor to own a slave.

The only way your gonna stop that association is by getting the KKK and Neo Nazi's and other hate groups to stop using it.

In other words, not gonna happen.

The only way your gonna stop that association is by getting the KKK and Neo Nazi's and other hate groups to stop using it.

In other words, not gonna happen.

InterpolWilco

I almost forgot about the KKK or even the Neo Nazi's...I havent heard about them in a long time.

I think people should stop associating it with hate and just realize it is more of pride and heritage.RenegadePatriot

I despise the confederate flag for I feel it stands for a lot of negative things.

That being said, people have the right to display it if they want. At the same time I have every right to think less of those people.....

I despise the confederate flag for I feel it stands for a lot of negative things.

That being said, people have the right to display it if they want. At the same time I have every right to think less of those people.....

LostProphetFLCL

And I have the right to think less of you for it.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I despise the confederate flag for I feel it stands for a lot of negative things.

That being said, people have the right to display it if they want. At the same time I have every right to think less of those people.....

Def_Jef88

And I have the right to think less of you for it.

No their waving around the confederate flag suggest alot of bad things about the person.

Honestly, anyone who isn't racist and is somewhat intelligent should NOT be waving that flag.

As mentioned, the flag represents alot of bad things, so waving it around is saying you support those bad things.

Thats like saying I can't think of someone as dumb or crazy for running around with underwear on their head....

[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I despise the confederate flag for I feel it stands for a lot of negative things.

That being said, people have the right to display it if they want. At the same time I have every right to think less of those people.....

LostProphetFLCL

And I have the right to think less of you for it.

No their waving around the confederate flag suggest alot of bad things about the person.

Honestly, anyone who isn't racist and is somewhat intelligent should NOT be waving that flag.

As mentioned, the flag represents alot of bad things, so waving it around is saying you support those bad things.

Thats like saying I can't think of someone as dumb or crazy for running around with underwear on their head....

No their waving around the American flag suggest alot of bad things about the person.

Honestly, anyone who isn't racist and is somewhat intelligent should NOT be waving that flag.

As mentioned, the flag represents alot of bad things, so waving it around is saying you support those bad things.

I don't know if people outside the US have an opinion on this or not, but if you do I'd be interested in hearing it.

Basically, if you don't know: The US Civil War (some schools in the south still teach it as "The War of Rising Nothern Aggression")

What's your take?

blackngold29

Is that a Northern legend or have you been to Southern schools? Because I live in Florida and have never heard that in my life.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]

I don't know if people outside the US have an opinion on this or not, but if you do I'd be interested in hearing it.

Basically, if you don't know: The US Civil War (some schools in the south still teach it as "The War of Rising Nothern Aggression")

What's your take?

Dracargen

Is that a Northern legend or have you been to Southern schools? Because I live in Florida and have never heard that in my life.

I've definately heard it.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]

I don't know if people outside the US have an opinion on this or not, but if you do I'd be interested in hearing it.

Basically, if you don't know: The US Civil War (some schools in the south still teach it as "The War of Rising Nothern Aggression")

What's your take?

Dracargen

Is that a Northern legend or have you been to Southern schools? Because I live in Florida and have never heard that in my life.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I despise the confederate flag for I feel it stands for a lot of negative things.

That being said, people have the right to display it if they want. At the same time I have every right to think less of those people.....

Def_Jef88

And I have the right to think less of you for it.

No their waving around the confederate flag suggest alot of bad things about the person.

Honestly, anyone who isn't racist and is somewhat intelligent should NOT be waving that flag.

As mentioned, the flag represents alot of bad things, so waving it around is saying you support those bad things.

Thats like saying I can't think of someone as dumb or crazy for running around with underwear on their head....

No their waving around the American flag suggest alot of bad things about the person.

Honestly, anyone who isn't racist and is somewhat intelligent should NOT be waving that flag.

As mentioned, the flag represents alot of bad things, so waving it around is saying you support those bad things.

I don't wave around the American flag either as I am not big on Patriotism.

BTW the point you are trying to make is pretty dumb. We live in America, therefore the flag will be waved by patriotic people.

The confederacy is long gone and for very good reason. All that flag represents is the time our nation was divided and as you might want to consider it is THE flag of the neo-nazi's because of what it represents.

I don't understand when people say "It's our heritage". Yes, we know that slavery and bigotry are your heritage, but why wave it or celebrate it? That flag didn't exist before the succession, which means it stands for one thing only, The confederacy. Why in the hell would you celebrate the confederacy?Donkey_Puncher

None I know who wear the Confederate flag support slavery nor do they agree with the Confederacy supporting it. In just the same way, I'm proud to be an American and yet I do not support everything America does.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]I don't understand when people say "It's our heritage". Yes, we know that slavery and bigotry are your heritage, but why wave it or celebrate it? That flag didn't exist before the succession, which means it stands for one thing only, The confederacy. Why in the hell would you celebrate the confederacy?mindstorm

None I know who wear the Confederate flag support slavery nor do they agree with the Confederacy supporting it. In just the same way, I'm proud to be an American and yet I do not support everything America does.

Then again what did the confederacy do to deserve that flag being waved? It was around for a mere 4 years.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]I don't understand when people say "It's our heritage". Yes, we know that slavery and bigotry are your heritage, but why wave it or celebrate it? That flag didn't exist before the succession, which means it stands for one thing only, The confederacy. Why in the hell would you celebrate the confederacy?mindstorm

None I know who wear the Confederate flag support slavery nor do they agree with the Confederacy supporting it.

If somebody wore a swastika everywhere they went, would you still support this logic?

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]I don't understand when people say "It's our heritage". Yes, we know that slavery and bigotry are your heritage, but why wave it or celebrate it? That flag didn't exist before the succession, which means it stands for one thing only, The confederacy. Why in the hell would you celebrate the confederacy?CaptHawkeye

None I know who wear the Confederate flag support slavery nor do they agree with the Confederacy supporting it.

If somebody wore a swastika everywhere they went, would you still support this logic?

The swastika is technically a Hindu/Buddhist/Jainist symbol. . . .it means "well-being." It's only controversial because the Nazis took it and used it as their symbol.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]I don't understand when people say "It's our heritage". Yes, we know that slavery and bigotry are your heritage, but why wave it or celebrate it? That flag didn't exist before the succession, which means it stands for one thing only, The confederacy. Why in the hell would you celebrate the confederacy?Donkey_Puncher

None I know who wear the Confederate flag support slavery nor do they agree with the Confederacy supporting it. In just the same way, I'm proud to be an American and yet I do not support everything America does.

Then again what did the confederacy do to deserve that flag being waved? It was around for a mere 4 years.

The idea behind Southerners being prideful about the flag is that we will stand up for our rights and what we believe in. It shows Southern unity and determination. (I'm probably going to regret saying this but...) If I lived during that time I likely would have fought for the South simply because it was my homeland and the North had no right to invade my land. It doesn't mean I agree with the morality of the Confederacy but I'm going to protect my home and the people around me.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]I don't understand when people say "It's our heritage". Yes, we know that slavery and bigotry are your heritage, but why wave it or celebrate it? That flag didn't exist before the succession, which means it stands for one thing only, The confederacy. Why in the hell would you celebrate the confederacy?CaptHawkeye

None I know who wear the Confederate flag support slavery nor do they agree with the Confederacy supporting it.

If somebody wore a swastika everywhere they went, would you still support this logic?

Swastika existed far before the nazi regime.... I think it would be better to say if that perosn was wearing a nazi flag on their clothign or waved one.

Its part of history, its part of this country, and to some extent even the ideology factor(not in hating blacks being free but rather the real reason for the south succeeded; small vs central government). People who are offended are just people who want to make a fuss or have emotional issues.ice_radon

I just don't get this style of thinking. Again I've lived in Arkansas all my life, to most all blacks it's seen as a slap in the face, "ha we lost, but we can still hang this where we want". I don't think it comes down to emotional issues, just caring about what your fellow citizens find very offensive. I don't know the numbers of slaves killed over the course of slavery during our history, but I'm sure it's high, and you dam! sure wouldn't see a Nazi flag flying in a city with a large Jewish population.

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]I don't understand when people say "It's our heritage". Yes, we know that slavery and bigotry are your heritage, but why wave it or celebrate it? That flag didn't exist before the succession, which means it stands for one thing only, The confederacy. Why in the hell would you celebrate the confederacy?mindstorm

None I know who wear the Confederate flag support slavery nor do they agree with the Confederacy supporting it. In just the same way, I'm proud to be an American and yet I do not support everything America does.

Then again what did the confederacy do to deserve that flag being waved? It was around for a mere 4 years.

The idea behind Southerners being prideful about the flag is that we will stand up for our rights and what we believe in. It shows Southern unity and determination. (I'm probably going to regret saying this but...) If I lived during that time I likely would have fought for the South simply because it was my homeland and the North had no right to invade my land. It doesn't mean I agree with the morality of the Confederacy but I'm going to protect my home and the people around me.

Do you even realize that what the south stood for wasn't unity but separating all the states into their own governments?

It stood for separation, not unity.