Congress considers bill to strip American Terrorists of their Citizenship

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The fact that even Republicans seem to think that this is kind of a bad idea is a pretty good check, I think. :P

I would imagine that the Supreme Court would also not find a law terribly amusing that allows the stripping of citizenship from basically whomever the State Department decides is a terrorist.

xaos

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The fact that even Republicans seem to think that this is kind of a bad idea is a pretty good check, I think. :P

I would imagine that the Supreme Court would also not find a law terribly amusing that allows the stripping of citizenship from basically whomever the State Department decides is a terrorist.

xaos

I'm not seeing the resemblance.

Oh jeez, I wonder what Alex Jones will say about this in his radio show, I can't wait to listen.

MushroomWig

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Reps would be against it anyway since they are generally against this level government power and Joe Lieberman is a Dem.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="xaos"]During his re-election bid in 2006, he lost the Democratic Party primary election but won re-election in the general election as a third party candidate under the party label "Connecticut for Lieberman." Thanks, Wikipedia! Seriously, even when he was in the party, he was a DINO :PAtmanix

I'm not seeing the resemblance.

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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

The fact that even Republicans seem to think that this is kind of a bad idea is a pretty good check, I think. :P

I would imagine that the Supreme Court would also not find a law terribly amusing that allows the stripping of citizenship from basically whomever the State Department decides is a terrorist.

xaos

Yep. The guy's not a Democrat or a Republican; his political platform is basically "Joe Lieberman".

Even if Obama loses in 2012 I will be satisfied with his defeat. I hope he doesn't retire, because I want to see his concession speech. And then drink his tears.

/cartman

Well if they try or actually carry out a terrorist act in the United States it should be considered a act of Treason and they should be executed as such. Also they should not get a burial either but be cremated and dumped somewhere. If you are trying to carry out a terrorist action in the country of your origin then you do not consider yourself a American so why should America consider you a citizen?

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[QUOTE="xaos"]During his re-election bid in 2006, he lost the Democratic Party primary election but won re-election in the general election as a third party candidate under the party label "Connecticut for Lieberman." Thanks, Wikipedia! Seriously, even when he was in the party, he was a DINO :Pxaos

I'm not seeing the resemblance.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Maybe by suspected he still means after due process. I can't imagine he just means on a whim start exiling folks.

UserBane

If it were not Joe Lieberman proposing this bill, I would agree that that could be a possibility. However... it is Joe Lieberman.

Can't wait until he is out of the senate

Is this the same bill from earlier that had the stipulation of "SUSPECTED" terrorists?

Thats a very important word as suspected implies they arn't convicted and only, you know, a suspect. I'm a fan of due process.

And no, I do not agree with stripping citizenship from natural born citizens.

Is this the same bill from earlier that had the stipulation of "SUSPECTED" terrorists?

Thats a very important word as suspected implies they arn't convicted and only, you know, a suspect. I'm a fan of due process.

And no, I do not agree with stripping citizenship from natural born citizens.

Pixel-Pirate

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Is this the same bill from earlier that had the stipulation of "SUSPECTED" terrorists?

Thats a very important word as suspected implies they arn't convicted and only, you know, a suspect. I'm a fan of due process.

And no, I do not agree with stripping citizenship from natural born citizens.

nocoolnamejim

Something VERY important that I don't see in the topic or poll.

If they were not a naturalized citizen and convicted then yes.....they should be stripped of citizenship.LJS9502_basic

I think some could get behind that. Though thats not what the bill proposes.

Needs due process, not just the executive branch declaring someone a terroristxaos

My thoughts as well. I mean, removing rights because they are a SUSPECT? Seems to circumvent the entire legal process without legitimate reason.

Thanks for posting the COMPLETE story, OP. -End sacrasm-

You can't strip someone of their citizenship if they're SUSPECTED. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Anyhow, take one away from YES and put in on NO, since I didn't have all the facts when I voted.

Incomplete information in the original post. The proposal is that the government would have the ability to strip SUSPECTED terrorists of their citizenship. Think about that for a moment. American Citizens. Convicted of no crime. Being stripped of their citizenship at a whim with no trial. (And then probably being shipped down to Guantanamo like other non-citizens who are declared "enemy combatants") People should be TERRIFIED of this bill. nocoolnamejim

agreed

not to mention the descriptors of a "terrorist" are vague, at best. If I threw water baloons at a government building filled with urine, I could technically be labeled a terrorist.

As long as every member of the KKK loses their citizenship, I don't see the problem. I also don't see that happening. :roll:Maniacc1

HOORAY for free speech!

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Thanks for posting the COMPLETE story, OP. -End sacrasm-

You can't strip someone of their citizenship if they're SUSPECTED. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Anyhow, take one away from YES and put in on NO, since I didn't have all the facts when I voted.

airshocker

Patriot Act did the same, let teh Gov get people that were SUSPECTED, didn't even need any proof. ALl tehy had to do was think you were bad and they could lock you up and throw away the key. This is very unconstitutional. What defines a terrorist? would a serial killer be one? an arsonist, any violent act for that matter? Even on that point, why JUST terrorists? Why should a man that might have potentionally bomb something loose his rights, but a man convicted of raping 2 woman, and killed 5 others simply get thrown in jail?

If they are American Citizens, and suspected with evidence to be terrorists, then they should be tried, if they are indeed terrorists then it should be considered an act of war and they should be hung for treason.

Patriot Act did the same, let teh Gov get people that were SUSPECTED, didn't even need any proof. ALl tehy had to do was think you were bad and they could lock you up and throw away the key. This is very unconstitutional. What defines a terrorist? would a serial killer be one? an arsonist, any violent act for that matter? Even on that point, why JUST terrorists? Why should a man that might have potentionally bomb something loose his rights, but a man convicted of raping 2 woman, and killed 5 others simply get thrown in jail?

If they are American Citizens, and suspected with evidence to be terrorists, then they should be tried, if they are indeed terrorists then it should be considered an act of war and they should be hung for treason.

SamusFreak

Last time I checked, the Patriot Act made it easier for the government agencies that are trying to protect us to get search warrants and wiretaps on suspected terrorists.

Do you have any proof that people were locked up unnecessarily? I haven't seen anything about that. Just a lot of liberal fear-mongering.

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]As long as every member of the KKK loses their citizenship, I don't see the problem. I also don't see that happening. :roll:mrbojangles25

HOORAY for free speech!

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[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]As long as every member of the KKK loses their citizenship, I don't see the problem. I also don't see that happening. :roll:Maniacc1

HOORAY for free speech!

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Ahhh I overlooked your :roll: face lol

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HOORAY for free speech!

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mrbojangles25

Ahhh I overlooked your :roll: face lol

This is possibly the single worst bill ever introduced to Congress. It's not terrorists that lose their citizenship; it's SUSPECTED terrorists. Meaning: the government can point a finger at you, say the magic "T" word and ship you off. That is against every single basic right that we have; this is worse than the Patriot Act.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]This is possibly the single worst bill ever introduced to Congress. It's not terrorists that lose their citizenship; it's SUSPECTED terrorists. Meaning: the government can point a finger at you, say the magic "T" word and ship you off. That is against every single basic right that we have; this is worse than the Patriot Act.Santesyu

Domestic terrorism is essentially an act of treason.

Though this bill seems to be a weapon against the people suspected of terrorism. This is not a good bill. Known terrorists who have plots and have evidence brought against them that they are infact planning a act of treason is one thing, but pointing a finger and yelling "TERRORIST" is another. This is the 50s McCarthyism all over again.

While I take a very strong stance against terrorists (forgien and domestic) we also need to preserve the liberties of the people of this country.

Suspected of being a terrorist huh, as long as your innocent you have nothing to worry about!

I'm joking, not the greatest of bills to pretty much kick due process out the window. How is someone suspected of being a terrorist though?

Suspected of being a terrorist huh, as long as your innocent you have nothing to worry about!

I'm joking, not the greatest of bills to pretty much kick due process out the window. How is someone suspected of being a terrorist though?

ShuichiChamp24

That is the exact problem. What do we define as terrorism and crime? What is an act of terrorism? What is it to be planning one? Could a kid who is a bit messed up in the head who writes a plan to commit a school shooting a terrorist? Or is he just a messed up kid who needs help?

A person who is suspected of being a terrorist needs a proper trial and due processes. If the court finds the person guilty, strip of citizenship and lock their ass away (or even exile).

Suspected of being a terrorist huh, as long as your innocent you have nothing to worry about!

I'm joking, not the greatest of bills to pretty much kick due process out the window. How is someone suspected of being a terrorist though?

ShuichiChamp24

Simple. There is no rule to define who can be suspected of terrorism. If the president didn't like you he could suddenly shout "TERRORIST!" and ship you away.

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Suspected of being a terrorist huh, as long as your innocent you have nothing to worry about!

I'm joking, not the greatest of bills to pretty much kick due process out the window. How is someone suspected of being a terrorist though?

Wasdie

That is the exact problem. What do we define as terrorism and crime? What is an act of terrorism? What is it to be planning one? Could a kid who is a bit messed up in the head who writes a plan to commit a school shooting a terrorist? Or is he just a messed up kid who needs help?

A person who is suspected of being a terrorist needs a proper trial and due processes. If the court finds the person guilty, strip of citizenship and lock their ass away (or even exile).

Agree, if after the trial your found guilty, I have no problem with it. Guilty until proven innocent is not the greatest of things to do.

Agree, if after the trial your found guilty, I have no problem with it. Guilty until proven innocent is not the greatest of things to do.

ShuichiChamp24

That is exactly why in America you're innocent until proven guilty. Without that, you have no rights when you're instantly guilty no matter what.

I see this a little bit differently. What if teh bill isin't designed for teh average people? But instead its more of a political weapon? Don't like that guy running aganist you, call him a terroist. this bill is about anti democratic as it gets.

Bad idea.

They'll just start defining ANYONE as a "terrorist" to take away their citizenship.

I don't like this bill. These terrorists want to be treated like soldiers - they believe that they are fighting a cosmic war. There's no better way to undermine them then by just treating them like the despicable criminals that they are. Also, "terrorism" is such a vague, loaded word nowadays - I'm not really confident about giving the government such a broad power. -Sun_Tzu-

Today: Someone who tries to bomb a place is a "terrorist"

Tomorrow: Someone who speaks against the Government is a "terrorist"

George Orwell just came back from the dead, he wants to re-write 1984. He was too optimistic.

My only problem with this is that it'll probably lead to stuff that is actually horrible. (Knowing the Republicans...)

It sounds to me like they are playing on people's fears in order to get the ability to circumvent due process for [suspected] criminals.Engrish_Major

That's what they're going to push for next. It's a slippery slope.