Congress considers bill to strip American Terrorists of their Citizenship

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't like this bill. These terrorists want to be treated like soldiers - they believe that they are fighting a cosmic war. There's no better way to undermine them then by just treating them like the despicable criminals that they are. Also, "terrorism" is such a vague, loaded word nowadays - I'm not really confident about giving the government such a broad power. AHUGECAT

Today: Someone who tries to bomb a place is a "terrorist"

Tomorrow: Someone who speaks against the Government is a "terrorist"

George Orwell just came back from the dead, he wants to re-write 1984. He was too optimistic.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't like this bill. These terrorists want to be treated like soldiers - they believe that they are fighting a cosmic war. There's no better way to undermine them then by just treating them like the despicable criminals that they are. Also, "terrorism" is such a vague, loaded word nowadays - I'm not really confident about giving the government such a broad power. PannicAtack

Today: Someone who tries to bomb a place is a "terrorist"

Tomorrow: Someone who speaks against the Government is a "terrorist"

George Orwell just came back from the dead, he wants to re-write 1984. He was too optimistic.

The USA is heading that direction, slowly but surely.

The purpose of this is what? No, I don't agree with it at all. The only conceivable purpose of this I could think of would be to treat certain criminals differently from what the law allows, and since I really don't see any rational reason why what country a person is a citizen of should matter as far as applying the law to them goes, I see no value in this whatsoever. Should we revoke the citizenship of anyone convicted of a violent crime? No, that's ridiculous. They should go to jail and that is that.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Today: Someone who tries to bomb a place is a "terrorist"

Tomorrow: Someone who speaks against the Government is a "terrorist"

George Orwell just came back from the dead, he wants to re-write 1984. He was too optimistic.

AHUGECAT

The USA is heading that direction, slowly but surely.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Atrocious as the bill is, I don't think kicking someone out of the country is on the same level as abducting that person, torturing him until his mind breaks, executing him, and then claiming he never existed.

PannicAtack

The USA is heading that direction, slowly but surely.

It won't pass now but they'll keep trying it anyways.

Congress doesn't care about the constitution anymore so we are slowly but surely heading into a dictatorship. Oh well it was a good run.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't like this bill. These terrorists want to be treated like soldiers - they believe that they are fighting a cosmic war. There's no better way to undermine them then by just treating them like the despicable criminals that they are. Also, "terrorism" is such a vague, loaded word nowadays - I'm not really confident about giving the government such a broad power. AHUGECAT

Today: Someone who tries to bomb a place is a "terrorist"

Tomorrow: Someone who speaks against the Government is a "terrorist"

George Orwell just came back from the dead, he wants to re-write 1984. He was too optimistic.

I wouldn't say that this is worse than what was depicted in 1984, but this does have a weird Stalinist vibe to it, where all it took was for you to be called a "counter-revolutionary" and it was off to Siberia for you. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I wouldn't say that this is worse than what was depicted in 1984, but this does have a weird Stalinist vibe to it, where all it took was for you to be called a "counter-revolutionary" and it was off to Siberia for you. Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I wouldn't say that this is worse than what was depicted in 1984, but this does have a weird Stalinist vibe to it, where all it took was for you to be called a "counter-revolutionary" and it was off to Siberia for you. Engrish_Major

To be fair, I've seen those "report suspicious activity" signs since I was born, so atleast 23 years.

My only problem with this is that it'll probably lead to stuff that is actually horrible. (Knowing the Republicans...)

SgtKevali

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

My only problem with this is that it'll probably lead to stuff that is actually horrible. (Knowing the Republicans...)

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

My only problem with this is that it'll probably lead to stuff that is actually horrible. (Knowing the Republicans...)

LJS9502_basic

To be fair, I've seen those "report suspicious activity" signs since I was born, so atleast 23 years.

Pixel-Pirate

I remember seeing them after 9/11 around here, on those LED highway signs on I95 between Baltimore and DC. This website sums up my feelings about those signs pretty well:

"...a growing movement to turn the citizens of so-called free, democratic nations into a self-regulating secret police, saving the government the hassle of keeping tabs on everyone by delegating the duty to an unwitting public duped by a phoney war on terror.

Now that we know anyone, anywhere, at any time is potentially a terrorist, it is our civic duty to report everything we see to the police.

The historical parallels to the Stasi should be obvious. The Stasi were the dreaded secret police of East Germany, who had one out of every seven citizens of the country working for them as secret informants. What is perhaps most surprising is that the US Department of Homeland Security hired the ex-Stasi chief and engineer of the Stasi police state as a consultant in 2004, shortly before they brought in a program known as Highway Watch, which has spent millions of dollars teaching tens of thousands of long distance truckers how to spot terrorists on the road. The hiring of the ex-chief of the Stasi to consult for Homeland Security also coincided with a 2004 White House push to recruit over 15,000 citizen informants to help counterterrorism investigations...and all this effort despite the fact that terrorist-related cases account for less than 0.01 percent of all Homeland Security investigations."

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

To be fair, I've seen those "report suspicious activity" signs since I was born, so atleast 23 years.

Engrish_Major

I remember seeing them after 9/11 around here, on those LED highway signs on I95 between Baltimore and DC. This website sums up my feelings about those signs pretty well:

"...a growing movement to turn the citizens of so-called free, democratic nations into a self-regulating secret police, saving the government the hassle of keeping tabs on everyone by delegating the duty to an unwitting public duped by a phoney war on terror.

Now that we know anyone, anywhere, at any time is potentially a terrorist, it is our civic duty to report everything we see to the police.

The historical parallels to the Stasi should be obvious. The Stasi were the dreaded secret police of East Germany, who had one out of every seven citizens of the country working for them as secret informants. What is perhaps most surprising is that the US Department of Homeland Security hired the ex-Stasi chief and engineer of the Stasi police state as a consultant in 2004, shortly before they brought in a program known as Highway Watch, which has spent millions of dollars teaching tens of thousands of long distance truckers how to spot terrorists on the road. The hiring of the ex-chief of the Stasi to consult for Homeland Security also coincided with a 2004 White House push to recruit over 15,000 citizen informants to help counterterrorism investigations...and all this effort despite the fact that terrorist-related cases account for less than 0.01 percent of all Homeland Security investigations."

In California. I've always seen neighborhood watch "report suspicious activity" signs placed outside of neighborhoods.

In California. I've always seen neighborhood watch "report suspicious activity" signs placed outside of neighborhoods.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

My only problem with this is that it'll probably lead to stuff that is actually horrible. (Knowing the Republicans...)

-Sun_Tzu-

In California. I've always seen neighborhood watch "report suspicious activity" signs placed outside of neighborhoods.

Well it's not wrong to report suspicious activity.....and it should be looked into. However, there should be proof and then a trial. As that is how our court system works....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

My only problem with this is that it'll probably lead to stuff that is actually horrible. (Knowing the Republicans...)

xaos

That is the best description of him I've ever read. :lol:

Yes, They should lose citenzenship if they are terrorists.

Slippery Slope Incoming. This is another step in the erosion of one rights.

Edit: Better yet this is proposed even for people accused of being a 'terrorist'. So lets see, they can accuse you of being a terrorist and immediatly strip all your rights as a citizen. Now since you are not a citizen then don't need to give you a fair trial, or indeed a trial at all. This breaks down them being able to decree that the accused is guilty of a crime with no trial and no recourse for the accused. How fair.

And what is a terrorist exactly, because it seems the government labels anyone who disagrees with it a terrorist nowadays

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

In California. I've always seen neighborhood watch "report suspicious activity" signs placed outside of neighborhoods.

Engrish_Major

I have actually never seen these signs you refer to, to be honest.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I don't like this bill. These terrorists want to be treated like soldiers - they believe that they are fighting a cosmic war. There's no better way to undermine them then by just treating them like the despicable criminals that they are. Also, "terrorism" is such a vague, loaded word nowadays - I'm not really confident about giving the government such a broad power. PannicAtack

Today: Someone who tries to bomb a place is a "terrorist"

Tomorrow: Someone who speaks against the Government is a "terrorist"

George Orwell just came back from the dead, he wants to re-write 1984. He was too optimistic.