Controversial Ny Post Cartoon

I don't see the problem.

Oh your precious Obama is getting some heat? Oh noes, impeach them all! :roll:

[QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"][QUOTE="jointed"] No it's not. Obama is the figurehead of this new bill and he's also black....considering the fact that black people were and still is in some places compared to monkeys, this cartoon is very inappropriate. There's really nothing to discuss here, it's offensive.jointed

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"]I think it would of been made if McCain was the president and pushing this bill. People are going to call almost every political cartoon that is about Obama racist because he is half African American.RenegadePatriot

[QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"][QUOTE="Tazzmission187"]im white and offended by this cartoon. what really grinds my gears is the world has changed from the civil rights days to today and racism is still around. my girlfriend is african american and its a shame that biggots still speak racial remarks. what is the purpose of hatred torwards african americans? i just dont understand how skin color can make a person hate others. the truth behind this cartoon is for the last 8 years bush screwed up the country and we have a african american president who is having people unite not just here in the usa but around the world. no one will ever admit that in the hearts of racist groups they dont want a guy like obama to succseed and thats a travisty in my eyes. republicans and democrats may disagree but the truth is obama is symbolisim and shows all races are equal and whats wrong with that?Tazzmission187

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"]Have you ever heard of the saying, its so easy a monkey can do it ?RenegadePatriot

Oh your precious Obama is getting some heat? Oh noes, impeach them all! :roll:

Dark-Sithious

[QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"][QUOTE="jointed"] Yes, how this that relevant here?jointed

Look Jan man I am saying that people that think that this is racist needs to learn not to see everything as being about race.RenegadePatriot

[QUOTE="RenegadePatriot"]Look Jan man I am saying that people that think that this is racist needs to learn not to see everything as being about race.Jandurin

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] When it comes to interpretations, no one is "right" and no one is "wrong". It is not absurd to interpret the chimp as Obama, considering he strongly advocated for a stimulus bill and that he had significant input.-Sun_Tzu-

Well said.

Basically this debate has become:

• Person1: I can see that as being racist because black people have been compared to monkeys for a long time.
• Person2: OMG....that makesyou racist!

Why is this such an issue? From what i understood the author just saw an opportunity to make a pun, and used it. Can't see anyone getting offended by this, other than Obama himself.joao_22990

If you're in School Number 1 or School Number 2, you may want to consider taking a couple of minutes and strongly trying to see where the other viewpoint is coming from.nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]If you're in School Number 1 or School Number 2, you may want to consider taking a couple of minutes and strongly trying to see where the other viewpoint is coming from.Jandurin

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] How am I close minded? Did I ever try to discredit your interpretation? Did I ever say that your interpretation was incorrect? I don't think I ever did. -Sun_Tzu-

No it is not absurd, for reasons I have already mentioned. To not even be able to acknowledge the legitimacy of the interpretations of those who differ from you shows a tremendous amount of close mindedness and ignorance, quite frankly.-Sun_Tzu-

Anything else?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] You called me closed minded for not accepting your incorrect interpretation. You also called me ignorant. The problem is, it's not just some difference of opinion regarding an unclear aspect of the cartoon...what the monkey represents is blatantly obvious. Calling people closed minded because they don't accept your incorrect interpretation is silly. If you want to call an elephant a fish, feel free. But the people who point out an elephant is actually an animal are certainly not closed minded, nor are they ignorant.dnuggs40

Clearly, you are not understanding his statement.

Dear god... have any of you saying that it is racist even looked at the cartoon and tried to interpret it besides saying "omgz monky being shot RACSIM"? The cartoon wouldn't make any sense at all if it was racist.

The guys killed a monkey, and they said that the Democrats have to get another monkey to write the bill now. So how would it make sense if it was racist? Obama and Congress got the bill passed so if it was trying to compare Obama to a monkey the monkey would be tremendously powerful and alive. :|

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And only someone who was immediately looking for overt racism would catch it. If I hadn't been looking for it, I wouldn't have noticed anything at all. It is saying that those who wrote the bill have the intellect of a monkey! Is that so hard to find?

No it is not absurd, for reasons I have already mentioned. To not even be able to acknowledge the legitimacy of the interpretations of those who differ from you shows a tremendous amount of close mindedness and ignorance, quite frankly.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]No it is not absurd, for reasons I have already mentioned. To not even be able to acknowledge the legitimacy of the interpretations of those who differ from you shows a tremendous amount of close mindedness and ignorance, quite frankly.nocoolnamejim

Hey guys... ...may I please ask to bring the discussion back to the topic at hand and have it less about personally going after each other? I'd hate to have to lock this thread because it descended into a bit of a flame war.nocoolnamejim

On-Topic: After reading all these posts and initially voting the comic is racist, I have now concluded I initially did not correctly interpret the comic. Considering the direct implications of the comic, that they were shooting the "writer" of the stimulus bill, that directly proves that the intended target was obviously not Obama as he did not wirte the stimulus bill. I really think that its hard to disprove that logical train of interpretation.

Are monkeys a term/image potentially used derogatorily against African Americans? Yes.

Are monkeys a term/image potentiall used derogatorily against the lesser intelligent? Yes.

Can a term/image have more than one meaning? Yes.

Did Obama write the stimulus bill? No.

Was the monkey in the comic symbolizing the author of the stimulus bill? Yes.

Therefore we can logically conclude that the intention of the comic's artist was to imply that the author of the stimulus bill is a monkey, and that is not Obama.