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#1 ionusX
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im serious this cop should get in so much ---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wqFU6mRWYr0

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#2 mrmusicman247
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Just a question for you, TC. What would you do in that situation if you were the cop?
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#3 Fightingfan
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Kid deserves it. Anyone who doesn't have common sense to not do anything in an aggressive manor towards/near a cop is stupid. How the hell does ADHD give you an excuse to become rude/aggressive?
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#4 ionusX
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Kid deserves it. Anyone who doesn't have common sense to not do anything in an aggressive manor towards/near a cop is stupid. How the hell does ADHD give you an excuse to become rude/aggressive?Fightingfan

hes 5.. so your syaing its cool to treat a person whos been LIVING for -6 years is somehow just as accountable as a 16 yr old or a 20 yr old? yes lots of sense..

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#5 Fightingfan
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You have common sense at the age of 5.

If he committed murder it would be ok I guess because 'he's 5..'.

Edit- Nevermind you're right, I forgot there are a lot of dumb people in the world, and common sense 'isn't that common'.

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#6 cd_rom
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He's just a genius ahead of his time. Give it another 10 years, and this is how every day care center will operate.
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#7 ionusX
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You have common sense at the age of 5. If he committed murder it would be ok I guess because 'he's 5..'.Fightingfan

no you dont.. in fact your lucky you can walk talk broken english and have an imaginary friend.. you dont know most common sense stuffs. and kids have killed people before as young as seven and by any law i know of they arent held liable as they know no better. its why no child soldier will ever go to prison.. they will instead undergo heavy rehablitation.

so no your arguement is invalid.

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I don't think because we over label kids ADHD they should be given a free pass to act out.
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]You have common sense at the age of 5. If he committed murder it would be ok I guess because 'he's 5..'.ionusX

no you dont.. in fact your lucky you can walk talk broken english and have an imaginary friend.. you dont know most common sense stuffs. and kids have killed people before as young as seven and by any law i know of they arent held liable as they know no better. its why no child soldier will ever go to prison.. they will instead undergo heavy rehablitation.

so no your arguement is invalid.

Uh.....I seemed to have been able to understand rules at 5 and my English wasn't broken.:|
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#10 Fightingfan
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Children don't have common sense where you're from probably because adults/parents patronize them.
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]You have common sense at the age of 5. If he committed murder it would be ok I guess because 'he's 5..'.ionusX

no you dont.. in fact your lucky you can walk talk broken english and have an imaginary friend..

LOL, kids can walk and talk just fine by the age of 2.

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I don't think because we over label kids ADHD they should be given a free pass to act out. LJS9502_basic
I honestly think ADHD is a bullS***disorder, if a girl in my Anatomy class is seating in front of me and her lingerie is showing I'm obviously going to be happy and not pay attention to anything else for a good minute or two.

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#13 cd_rom
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't think because we over label kids ADHD they should be given a free pass to act out. Fightingfan

I honestly think ADHD is a bullS***disorder, if a girl in my Anatomy class is seating in front of me and her lingerie is showing I'm obviously going to be happy and not pay attention to anything else for a good minute or two.

It's not a BS disorder, it's just over diagnosed because a lot of parents essentially demand that their is something wrong with their kids.
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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]You have common sense at the age of 5. If he committed murder it would be ok I guess because 'he's 5..'.LJS9502_basic

no you dont.. in fact your lucky you can walk talk broken english and have an imaginary friend.. you dont know most common sense stuffs. and kids have killed people before as young as seven and by any law i know of they arent held liable as they know no better. its why no child soldier will ever go to prison.. they will instead undergo heavy rehablitation.

so no your arguement is invalid.

Uh.....I seemed to have been able to understand rules at 5 and my English wasn't broken.:|

Neither was mine...:? Hell, people considered me smart for my age, though I still don't understand how to this day and age. I just follow instructions instead of rebel like the others kids would...
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#16 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't think because we over label kids ADHD they should be given a free pass to act out. cd_rom

I honestly think ADHD is a bullS***disorder, if a girl in my Anatomy class is seating in front of me and her lingerie is showing I'm obviously going to be happy and not pay attention to anything else for a good minute or two.

It's not a BS disorder, it's just over diagnosed because a lot of parents essentially demand that their is something wrong with their kids.

I agree, I didn't really mean that literally, but it appears 99% of the world's population has that disorder.

But like you said 'it's overly diagnosed'.

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#18 branketra
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The cop touched him. He started it.
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#19 mrmusicman247
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Why was my question avoided?
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#20 JigglyWiggly_
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Kid deserved it for being an anus.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't think because we over label kids ADHD they should be given a free pass to act out. Fightingfan

I honestly think ADHD is a bullS***disorder, if a girl in my Anatomy class is seating in front of me and her lingerie is showing I'm obviously going to be happy and not pay attention to anything else for a good minute or two.

And this is exactly why cerebal paulsy is another bull**** disorder.

If I have too much to drink I'm obviously not going to be able to keep my balance and speak coherently.

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#22 LustForSoul
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Meh, both parties probably bend their stories to their good. I don't believe anyone.
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#23 kidsmelly
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They should restrain all 5 year olds.

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#25 worlock77
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So what should the officer have done?

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#26 branketra
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If you blame the cop, you are only helping the kid to be even more spoiled. magicalclick
Stuff like that is not up to other people outside of the family. If that's all it comes down to, it would be ridiculous to blame the child.
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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]If you blame the cop, you are only helping the kid to be even more spoiled. BranKetra
Stuff like that is not up to other people outside of the family. If that's all it comes down to, it would be ridiculous to blame the child.

Depends. If the family is present they should deal with the child yes. But what if they are not? Also what if the family does not deal with the child?

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Stuff like that is not up to other people outside of the family. If that's all it comes down to, it would be ridiculous to blame the child.magicalclick

Depends. If the family is present they should deal with the child yes. But what if they are not? Also what if the family does not deal with the child?

Theparentscalled the cop to help. So, actually the right is transfered to the cop in the process. But, I just don't see why the parents assumed something else.

Yeah I don't know what the parents expected the cops to do.
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]If you blame the cop, you are only helping the kid to be even more spoiled. LJS9502_basic

Stuff like that is not up to other people outside of the family. If that's all it comes down to, it would be ridiculous to blame the child.

Depends. If the family is present they should deal with the child yes. But what if they are not? Also what if the family does not deal with the child?

There are levels of retaliation that should be used as a policy with sort of thing. The officer chose to restrain the child. He could have kicked him back, but that probably would have cost him his reputation, at the very least. More importantly, why did the cop decide to put his hand on the kid? Let's be clear. Many parents do not want strangers, even police officers, touching their children. I don't have kids, so I wouldn't know from personal experience. It's worth knowing, but the news segment does not comment on why he did that. Only what happens after.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Stuff like that is not up to other people outside of the family. If that's all it comes down to, it would be ridiculous to blame the child.BranKetra

Depends. If the family is present they should deal with the child yes. But what if they are not? Also what if the family does not deal with the child?

There are levels of retaliation that should be used as a policy with sort of thing. The officer chose to restrain the child. He could have kicked him back, but that probably would have cost him his reputation, at the very least. More importantly, why did the cop decide to put his hand on the kid? Let's be clear. Many parents do not want strangers, even police officers, touching their children. I don't have kids, so I wouldn't know from personal experience. It's worth knowing, but the article does not comment on why he did that. Only what happens after.

Society gives cops the right to put their hands on individuals if the behavior is a danger to society, self, individual. I don't see that age has anything to do with it actually. Restraint is rather mild for a response. And considering the age most appropriate.
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That would be my reaction if a cop were to arrest me. Kid's learning fast. :P

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#34 branketra
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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Depends. If the family is present they should deal with the child yes. But what if they are not? Also what if the family does not deal with the child?

LJS9502_basic

Theparentscalled the cop to help. So, actually the right is transfered to the cop in the process. But, I just don't see why the parents assumed something else.

Yeah I don't know what the parents expected the cops to do.

You mean the school called.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]

Theparentscalled the cop to help. So, actually the right is transfered to the cop in the process. But, I just don't see why the parents assumed something else.

BranKetra

Yeah I don't know what the parents expected the cops to do.

You mean the school called.

Either way it's not a difference. The current guardian of the child asked for assistance. And I wasn't the one that said the parents called.

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#37 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Depends. If the family is present they should deal with the child yes. But what if they are not? Also what if the family does not deal with the child?

LJS9502_basic

There are levels of retaliation that should be used as a policy with sort of thing. The officer chose to restrain the child. He could have kicked him back, but that probably would have cost him his reputation, at the very least. More importantly, why did the cop decide to put his hand on the kid? Let's be clear. Many parents do not want strangers, even police officers, touching their children. I don't have kids, so I wouldn't know from personal experience. It's worth knowing, but the article does not comment on why he did that. Only what happens after.

Society gives cops the right to put their hands on individuals if the behavior is a danger to society, self, individual. I don't see that age has anything to do with it actually. Restraint is rather mild for a response. And considering the age most appropriate.

True. The problem here is that they don't explain why the cop put his hand on the child. The reason for that could make all the difference. On one hand, he could have just been doing it in a friendly way. Like friends do with each other. On the other hand, he could have been doing it in an authoritative manner. Then, the child takes it as a threat and he's just defending himself.

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#38 branketra
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If you think touching children is out of the line, then, from my standard, talking to children one-on-one in a room is already out of the line. There is always more ways to make excuses and you know the cop is not having any ill intent. But, if you insist on looking for a way to blame the cop, there is always a way. Locking in a room with another stranger is already out of the line without talking and without touching.

magicalclick

It's not about children. There are places where touching another person, regardless of age, is considered assault. It seems like ITT some users are looking at this child as if he's an adult with a developed mind. If people are going to do that, give him laws that adults are under, too. Otherwise, forget that argument. I wasn't there, so I don't know what anyone there was thinking. Unless you were there or had some way of seeing what was going on, neither does anyone else. I'm not insisting on anything besides looking at the situation from both sides.

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#39 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yeah I don't know what the parents expected the cops to do.LJS9502_basic

You mean the school called.

Either way it's not a difference. The current guardian of the child asked for assistance. And I wasn't the one that said the parents called.

True. Thought you were agreeing with him, since you quoted and said "yeah." What's most important is what led to the child freaking out on the officer.
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#40 Da_lil_PimP
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Why are you so anti-cop tc?

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Just a question for you, TC. What would you do in that situation if you were the cop?mrmusicman247
Taze the little squirt.
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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]Just a question for you, TC. What would you do in that situation if you were the cop?Stevo_the_gamer
Taze the little squirt.

I would sedate the kid.
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#44 worlock77
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So what should the officer have done?

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Anyone?

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I'm sorry to hear that the cop got kicked in the shin by a 5 year old boy. That's like, the most tragic cop story I've ever heard. Sounds to me like tying the kid up was the right course of action because how else are you going to subdue an unruly 5 year old boy?

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[QUOTE="lancea34"] I would sedate the kid.

Tranquilizer dart? I like it.
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I'm sorry to hear that the cop got kicked in the shin by a 5 year old boy. That's like, the most tragic cop story I've ever heard. Sounds to me like tying the kid up was the right course of action because how else are you going to subdue an unruly 5 year old boy?

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Knock him out. The kid was lucky he didn't get tazed.
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I'm sorry to hear that the cop got kicked in the shin by a 5 year old boy. That's like, the most tragic cop story I've ever heard. Sounds to me like tying the kid up was the right course of action because how else are you going to subdue an unruly 5 year old boy?

Serraph105

Obviously you don't agree with the officer's actions, so please tell us what he should have done instead? How should he have restrained this child?

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I'm sorry to hear that the cop got kicked in the shin by a 5 year old boy. That's like, the most tragic cop story I've ever heard. Sounds to me like tying the kid up was the right course of action because how else are you going to subdue an unruly 5 year old boy?

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Knock him out. The kid was lucky he didn't get tazed.

F*cking A. Slap that son of a gun around. Teach him a lesson.