Could Adolf ****, Osama bin Laden and the sort go to heaven?

Assuming God exist and such places as heaven and hell, and if this characters ask for forgiveness and truly felt sorry for their behavior, could they go to heaven? Lets say hypothetically that Hitler asked for forgiveness before he died.

WOW, I just found out that H-tler is a censored word in Gamespot. Quite lame.

If they were truly sorry then yesEmpCom

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]If they were truly sorry then yesth3warr1or

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="EmpCom"]If they were truly sorry then yesGHlegend77

Maybe, thats is if you beilive in heaven.

[QUOTE="GHlegend77"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] But such is their personality that they wouldn't be. EmpCom

I don't think heaven exists, so no.

[QUOTE="EmpCom"]If they were truly sorry then yesth3warr1or

Well suicide bombers get a free direct ticket to heaven apparently so I don't see why not...

absolutely, front row seats in heaven

God forgives if you're sincere about being sorry.

If they are truly sorry and repent for their sins, yes.

If they are truly sorry and repent for their sins, yes.

cloudff7tm

I believe that if there is a just God and a heaven, then all will eventually go there, albeit perhaps not with the personality they had when they died... given the extent to which one's genetics and environment play a role in shaping who a person is, I could not imagine anything else being justifiable.

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If they are truly sorry and repent for their sins, yes.

Animatronic64

lol. Did you mean don't tase me?

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If they are truly sorry and repent for their sins, yes.

cloudff7tm

lol. Did you mean don't tase me?

yea, if they are clearly sincere. then they MIGHT go to heaven. But Adolf is egocentric and evil so probably not

Wow if oboma is going to hell than bush is already there!!!

And what would happen if someone, lets say, is in heaven and sees Adolf and "disagrees" about his inclusion. Could someone "object" to him being there? Just asking.

Master_Live

The guys who thought up the Bible didn't think of senarios liike those when they wrote it. Anyways, yes, according to Bible logic, they CAN enter heaven, if they truly regret and feel sorry for what they did. I also fail to see why you put Osama in the same category as Hitler

If they were truly sorry for their sins they would be, I believe. However this is only the case if they truly believed when they were doing those terrible acts they were doing what was "right", but they found their way and asked for forgiveness after they realised that they had done. The two people you named, though, wouldn't do that, so they will most likely go to hell.

Of course, assuming such a place exists. Neither of them did anything with the thought "Oh, btw, I'm the bad guy." they act on the principal that they are doing it for the good. And this should be heavily considered when you approach people like this.EMOEVOLUTION

Well they kinda never killed anyone. They just told their men to do it.

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]Of course, assuming such a place exists. Neither of them did anything with the thought "Oh, btw, I'm the bad guy." they act on the principal that they are doing it for the good. And this should be heavily considered when you approach people like this.mindstorm

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"]Of course, assuming such a place exists. Neither of them did anything with the thought "Oh, btw, I'm the bad guy." they act on the principal that they are doing it for the good. And this should be heavily considered when you approach people like this.EMOEVOLUTION

Yeah I think they could get to heaven. But I don't think they should. :P

Wow if oboma is going to hell than bush is already there!!!

Gladestone1

Osama bin Laden, not Obama...or if you mean some other guy named Oboma then I dunno who that is. :?

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] I'm not so sure God has an attitude of "at the least you had good intentions." At the least with the Christian God, he would not make excuses for people's actions but acknowledge their horrible sins and let Christ be the substitute for sin upon the cross. It's grace because we do not deserve it, not because our immorality was rationalized away.mindstorm

No. The fact is that they commited a huge sin, many, many times. Try telling 6 million dead Jews that Hitler's sorry.GHlegend77

That depends on whether or not said God is just. If He is, He will know that the illusion of free will is exactly that: an illusion, and therefore He will know that the reason those people did what they did was not because of their spirits were inherently evil or other nonsense like that but because their minds were shaped towards such genocidal and intolerant tendencies by things they had no knowledge of, let alone ability to control, like such trivial and yet significant factors as the civilization they were born in. And once He knows that, He will realize that any wrongdoing they performed must have invariably been a product of how He shaped the world from the very beginning.

[QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] I never said they shouldn't be punished. I said they shouldn't' be punished eternally. That means eventually they'd have to be allowed into heaven once they understood and empathized their wrongs doings.SolidSnake35

I mean they are the only ones who believe (genuinely or not, from which point other criteria are used to narrow down that group).

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="EMOEVOLUTION"] I never said they shouldn't be punished. I said they shouldn't' be punished eternally. That means eventually they'd have to be allowed into heaven once they understood and empathized their wrongs doings.Teenaged

I mean they are the only ones who believe (genuinely or not, from which point other criteria are used to narrow down that group).

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] I think getting into heaven is more about believing in God and not the extent of your wrongdoings. If they never believed, it doesn't matter what sins they committed and regretted later on. They chose to be without God and that's how they'll stay. SolidSnake35

I mean they are the only ones who believe (genuinely or not, from which point other criteria are used to narrow down that group).

I am not choosing to not believe in God. That would require me believing he exists but refusing to aknowledge his reign or whatever.

In fact, I could argue that I am better than most theists in that I dont rush to believe and consider this much more important and indication for that being that I dont show faith that easily. Perhaps I appreciate the concept of divine more than theists do: because I place great importance to it and want to be 100% sure before I lock on to a faith status.

Perhaps God appreciates that and doesnt appreciate people who so easily believe in things that arent proven and extrapolate on the importance of faith vs. odds.

Thats just a scenario though since (imo) no one really knows what God appreciates (if he/she/it exists).

]Its not about choice. I am not choosing to not believe in God. That would require me believing he exists but refusing to aknowledge his reign or whatever.Teenaged

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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] I think getting into heaven is more about believing in God and not the extent of your wrongdoings. If they never believed, it doesn't matter what sins they committed and regretted later on. They chose to be without God and that's how they'll stay. SolidSnake35

I mean they are the only ones who believe (genuinely or not, from which point other criteria are used to narrow down that group).

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] I think getting into heaven is more about believing in God and not the extent of your wrongdoings. If they never believed, it doesn't matter what sins they committed and regretted later on. They chose to be without God and that's how they'll stay. SolidSnake35

I mean they are the only ones who believe (genuinely or not, from which point other criteria are used to narrow down that group).

It's always kind of struck me as a bit of a dick move for God to have (allegedly) set up this wonderful afterlife that's constant bliss but then make its attainment contingent on effectively who a person's parents are, what their environment is when growing up, and to what they're exposed to during life, all of which is wholly out of their control.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]]Its not about choice. I am not choosing to not believe in God. That would require me believing he exists but refusing to aknowledge his reign or whatever.SolidSnake35

If I can will myself into believing then what worth is there in that sort of faith?

Would God appreciate faith that is just "forced" by myself on myself?

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]So, only Christians can go to heaven?

I mean they are the only ones who believe (genuinely or not, from which point other criteria are used to narrow down that group).

GabuEx

It's always kind of struck me as a bit of a dick move for God to have (allegedly) set up this wonderful afterlife that's constant bliss but then make its attainment contingent on effectively who a person's parents are, what their environment is when growing up, and to what they're exposed to during life, all of which is wholly out of their control.

Probably why "God" didn't set up the afterlife that way :P. Honestly, this is all into something none of us have the comprehension to even begin understanding, so we can't do what humans do best and makes things so cut and dry. I believe that if Heaven and God exists as an inevitable destination for us, then regardless of what Hitler did, he will go to "Heaven". Only cause I definitely don't believe in a Hell, so there'd be really no where else for him to go.

I'm sure most theists and even atheists have a real difficult time understanding how someone who had committed such painful acts against others could still get into heaven. We expect God is like us, vengeful, angry, and seeking "justice", but we can't comprehend an absolute being that probably has absolutely no concern over the petty human perceptions we all have. We've done a real good job of turning "God" into one of us through our religions and thereby justifying some of most inhumane acts on people. As bad as what Hitler did is, you can go into the histories of most major religions and find horrible acts against people that we're somehow justified in "the name of God".

Back on topic however, yes, if there is Heaven then they could go there. In fact since there's no Hell besides what we've created here on Earth, that's probably the ONLY place they could go.