Creation: Should it be taught in schools?

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#551 Silver_Dragon17
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I see. In the broadest sense of creation, you would be correct at some point. However I'm guessing you didn't mean creationism in the sense that "an unidentified deity created the universe and how it behaves in order for us to evolve." If however you wish to teach creationism, you are changing the scope of science from strictly dealing with natural phenomenon to what is supernatural. You must then allow the teaching of astrology, alchemy, and occultisms. You must also present creationism from the perspective of every religion. This will allow the students to have all of the theories about the origins of life that man has developed, right? My next question is "Why is creation a legitimate alternative?" Sure, logic dictates that we either arrived by scientific determinism or that something created the universe, perhaps even intended for evolution to result in us, but is this a worthy alternative to the only scientific theory on the origins of life? Is it testable? Does it have evidence against the evolutionary process?CptJSparrow

Astrology, alchemy, and occultism do not deal with the origins of life. Even if they are on the same level as far as science goes, they are irrelevant to the teachings of origins.

Creationism does not seek to prove a specific creator. No interpretation would need be taught.

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[QUOTE="Stealth-Gunner"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Let us assume that I was your student. Why is there an alternative?CptJSparrow

I'd ***** at my teacher that creationism isn't an 'alternative' to evolution and say I don't want to listen it.

I would listen to what they have to say and then refute it the best that I can without the library of the internet at my fingertips. But if a teacher just started preaching, I would raise my hand and say "Excuse me, isn't it against the Teacher Code of Ethics to present students with false information?":P

Wow now that would be an insult :lol:

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I see. In the broadest sense of creation, you would be correct at some point. However I'm guessing you didn't mean creationism in the sense that "an unidentified deity created the universe and how it behaves in order for us to evolve." If however you wish to teach creationism, you are changing the scope of science from strictly dealing with natural phenomenon to what is supernatural. You must then allow the teaching of astrology, alchemy, and occultisms. You must also present creationism from the perspective of every religion. This will allow the students to have all of the theories about the origins of life that man has developed, right? My next question is "Why is creation a legitimate alternative?" Sure, logic dictates that we either arrived by scientific determinism or that something created the universe, perhaps even intended for evolution to result in us, but is this a worthy alternative to the only scientific theory on the origins of life? Is it testable? Does it have evidence against the evolutionary process?Silver_Dragon17

Astrology, alchemy, and occultism do not deal with the origins of life. Even if they are on the same level as far as science goes, they are irrelevant to the teachings of origins.

Creationism does not seek to prove a specific creator. No interpretation would need be taught.

It is, but I have to go. I'll be back.

......... So your couse plan would basically be "God created everything, the end".. With out specifics there is no how's why's, let alone evidence. What your saying is a simple ball part answer that is pathetically small to the massive scope and explaination of theories such as evolution.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I see. In the broadest sense of creation, you would be correct at some point. However I'm guessing you didn't mean creationism in the sense that "an unidentified deity created the universe and how it behaves in order for us to evolve." If however you wish to teach creationism, you are changing the scope of science from strictly dealing with natural phenomenon to what is supernatural. You must then allow the teaching of astrology, alchemy, and occultisms. You must also present creationism from the perspective of every religion. This will allow the students to have all of the theories about the origins of life that man has developed, right? My next question is "Why is creation a legitimate alternative?" Sure, logic dictates that we either arrived by scientific determinism or that something created the universe, perhaps even intended for evolution to result in us, but is this a worthy alternative to the only scientific theory on the origins of life? Is it testable? Does it have evidence against the evolutionary process?Silver_Dragon17

Astrology, alchemy, and occultism do not deal with the origins of life. Even if they are on the same level as far as science goes, they are irrelevant to the teachings of origins.

Creationism does not seek to prove a specific creator. No interpretation would need be taught.

It is, but I have to go. I'll be back.

Evolution doesn't explain how life began either, just what happened the nanosecond after it and has happened up till now.

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#555 CptJSparrow
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I see. In the broadest sense of creation, you would be correct at some point. However I'm guessing you didn't mean creationism in the sense that "an unidentified deity created the universe and how it behaves in order for us to evolve." If however you wish to teach creationism, you are changing the scope of science from strictly dealing with natural phenomenon to what is supernatural. You must then allow the teaching of astrology, alchemy, and occultisms. You must also present creationism from the perspective of every religion. This will allow the students to have all of the theories about the origins of life that man has developed, right? My next question is "Why is creation a legitimate alternative?" Sure, logic dictates that we either arrived by scientific determinism or that something created the universe, perhaps even intended for evolution to result in us, but is this a worthy alternative to the only scientific theory on the origins of life? Is it testable? Does it have evidence against the evolutionary process?Silver_Dragon17

Astrology, alchemy, and occultism do not deal with the origins of life. Even if they are on the same level as far as science goes, they are irrelevant to the teachings of origins.

Creationism does not seek to prove a specific creator. No interpretation would need be taught.

It is, but I have to go. I'll be back.

You misunderstood the reason why I stated astrology, alchemy, and occultism. I said you would have to change the definition of science to dealing with the supernatural in order to be able to teach creationism. Naturally, science would then include these topics. I did not say these would now be included in the hypothetical creationism classroom.



I didn't say that creationism sought to prove a specific creator, though it isn't exactly a secret which hypothetical creator you feel that you are coming closer to understanding by researching creationists' claims. My point in teaching every different interpretation of creationism is the same concept as (1) teaching the different theories about evolution, (2) teaching creationism and evolution as alternatives to each other--using this logic, and we have to teach the varying theories of creationism. Furthermore, the court rulings against creation science and intelligent design have all shown that it is a carbon copy of religion science that has undergone "Search & Replace" on Microsoft Word in order to remove all of the words that clearly suggest its biblical origins.
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] Let's assume that you decided to build a creationism curriculum for public education. What would your first lesson be?Silver_Dragon17

I'm no teacher, so I probably don't have a good one, but I would probably start with evolution. I would go over what evolution is about, what it teaches, etc, and then I would present the alternative. My first lesson in the alternative would be why is there an alternative in the first place.

Let us assume that I was your student. Why is there an alternative?

Because they are the only two ways we could have arrived on this Earth. Either we were created, or we evolved. The most scientific thing to do would be to teach both theories, and let the students decide which the believe is true.

sorry silver dragon, but science is not a democratic process.
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#557 Denjin_hadouken
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No. Christianity should be taught at home. Simple as that.
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#558 SAURON221
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I see no problem its an alternate theory, I have no problem with them teaching it.
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#559 DeeJayInphinity
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I did. The way the rock was shaped and crafted is the proof that it was created, or at least altered, by an intelligent designer. It was not random, and there was no way it could have been random.

This is what I've been saying.:| This is common logic.

I'm not trying to disprove evolution.

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Lol you're trying to tell me that the creator of the universe decided to - one day, just out of the blue - craft some"extremely fine" ways into a rock?

Hahaha..

The shape of a rock isn't going to get you anywhere. I suggest you get some solid evidence for creationism before you bring this garbage into a science class.

That rock could've been shaped by anyone. You still have no proof that the rock was shaped by a creator of some sort. You just picked up a rock and decided that it was too "extremely fine" to be shaped by a person or nature itself.

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#560 Jacojac
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Yes, but not the way it is right now. The Bible has deepest and more important meanings than what's taught in schools. Most people don't know that and that's why they usually end up lauging when reading the Bible...
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I see no problem its an alternate theory, I have no problem with them teaching it.SAURON221
problem is that there is hardly a shread of evidence that points towards creationism
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No.
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#563 playstation2004
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No. And I dont know why:?
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[QUOTE="SAURON221"]I see no problem its an alternate theory, I have no problem with them teaching it.353535355353535
problem is that there is hardly a shread of evidence that points towards creationism

Will it truly hurt any one if a teacher says that there is an alternative theory that an intelligent designer created the universe?

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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="SAURON221"]I see no problem its an alternate theory, I have no problem with them teaching it.SAURON221

problem is that there is hardly a shread of evidence that points towards creationism

Will it truly hurt any one if a teacher says that there is an alternative theory that an intelligent designer created the universe?

yes
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#566 SAURON221
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[QUOTE="SAURON221"]

[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="SAURON221"]I see no problem its an alternate theory, I have no problem with them teaching it.353535355353535

problem is that there is hardly a shread of evidence that points towards creationism

Will it truly hurt any one if a teacher says that there is an alternative theory that an intelligent designer created the universe?

yes

And how would that exactly truly hurt some one?

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I suppose it'll be okay to mention an alterate hypothesis, but calling it a scientific theory would be giving false information.
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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="SAURON221"]

[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="SAURON221"]I see no problem its an alternate theory, I have no problem with them teaching it.SAURON221

problem is that there is hardly a shread of evidence that points towards creationism

Will it truly hurt any one if a teacher says that there is an alternative theory that an intelligent designer created the universe?

yes

And how would that exactly truly hurt some one?

how would teaching myths as science NOT hurt someone?
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And how would that exactly truly hurt some one?

SAURON221

Because the hypothesis lacks any of the laws that make up the scientific process. They don't put forth any evidence supporting creationism (except "extremely fine" rocks :lol: ) they think that attacking another theory is going to prove their hypothesis, and they love to cite the bible.

Teaching something that destroys the scientific method would be a stupid idea, dont you think?

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I suppose it'll be okay to mention an alterate hypothesis, but calling it a scientific theory would be giving false information.Zagrius
Mentioning is different from explaining it, of course. Maybe a short lesson on Creationism's origins and its religious connotation wouldn't be so bad.
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#571 darkmaster578
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Yes, I'm a Christian and I believe that it should be taught in public schools.
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#572 SAURON221
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[QUOTE="SAURON221"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="SAURON221"]

[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="SAURON221"]I see no problem its an alternate theory, I have no problem with them teaching it.353535355353535

problem is that there is hardly a shread of evidence that points towards creationism

Will it truly hurt any one if a teacher says that there is an alternative theory that an intelligent designer created the universe?

yes

And how would that exactly truly hurt some one?

how would teaching myths as science NOT hurt someone?

Never said that they need to go into a two week study of it, I just said they should point out that there is another idea.

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[QUOTE="Zagrius"]I suppose it'll be okay to mention an alterate hypothesis, but calling it a scientific theory would be giving false information.Greatgone12
Mentioning is different from explaining it, of course. Maybe a short lesson on Creationism's origins and its religious connotation wouldn't be so bad.

teaching creation might be a good idea in history class, but not science class
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Really, I don't see how it could be explained in a science class without being entirely ridiculed, even unintentionally, as long as the teacher actually knows science.
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#575 Greatgone12
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[QUOTE="Greatgone12"][QUOTE="Zagrius"]I suppose it'll be okay to mention an alterate hypothesis, but calling it a scientific theory would be giving false information.353535355353535
Mentioning is different from explaining it, of course. Maybe a short lesson on Creationism's origins and its religious connotation wouldn't be so bad.

teaching creation might be a good idea in history class, but not science class

Yeah. Good idea.
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Really, I don't see how it could be explained in a science class without being entirely ridiculed, even unintentionally, as long as the teacher actually knows science.Zagrius
Most teachers are pretty good at teaching things neutrally.
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Really, I don't see how it could be explained in a science class without being entirely ridiculed, even unintentionally, as long as the teacher actually knows science.Zagrius
If they allowed it to be explained in a science class-- even for only a short while-- I know places where they would only teach creationism. Heck, a lot of teachers in those places don't teach evolution now, when they don't have an excuse.
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#578 353535355353535
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we cant teach creationism in a science class

thats like saying in a history class "now, there is a possibility that the holocaust never actually happened"

getting the side of christians and teaching it as fact is like getting holocaust deniers side in history class

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Well, I wouldn't call it a science class then. I retract my earlier statement, it shouldn't be anywhere near a public school in my opinion.
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Creationism/ID is not a scientific theory. Creationism/ID does not have an observed or evidenced mechanism. Creationism is not explanatory. Creationism is heavily biased toward the Jewish Creationist position for no other reason than the tyranny of majority belief. If the country believed in Norse or Australian Aborigine belief, it woul be biased toward those.

At no point should Creationism/ID be taught in science class. A school is for learning, and it clearly should focus on learning and not praying, as evidenced by the collective arguments by Creationists. People who have been clearly let down by the current education system in place.

We don't need people believing the universe came about because the flames of Muspelheim melt the hoar frost of Nifelheim, or that some derivative God of Canaanite Pantheism created it in 7 days. Nor do we need people believing that humans came about from Ymirs armpits, or were made by dust or rib by said Canaanite God derivative.

You want make believe? Go to Neverland. School, especially science class, is for the real world.

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Well, I wouldn't call it a science class then. I retract my earlier statement, it shouldn't be anywhere near a public school in my opinion.Zagrius
Creationism isn't exclusively a Christian concept, it's been around since the beginning of religion, so teaching it in history class wouldn't be so bad.
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Sorry, I meant as a scientific theory/hypothesis/what-have-you.
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[QUOTE="Zagrius"]Well, I wouldn't call it a science class then. I retract my earlier statement, it shouldn't be anywhere near a public school in my opinion.Greatgone12
Creationism isn't exclusively a Christian concept, it's been around since the beginning of religion, so teaching it in history class wouldn't be so bad.

The original post says "Christian creation".
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[QUOTE="Greatgone12"][QUOTE="Zagrius"]Well, I wouldn't call it a science class then. I retract my earlier statement, it shouldn't be anywhere near a public school in my opinion.ShuLordLiuPei
Creationism isn't exclusively a Christian concept, it's been around since the beginning of religion, so teaching it in history class wouldn't be so bad.

The original post says "Christian creation".

I didn't see that...
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Public Schools wouldn't allow it, Catholic Schools like the one I go to should and already teach it
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[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"][QUOTE="Greatgone12"][QUOTE="Zagrius"]Well, I wouldn't call it a science class then. I retract my earlier statement, it shouldn't be anywhere near a public school in my opinion.Greatgone12
Creationism isn't exclusively a Christian concept, it's been around since the beginning of religion, so teaching it in history class wouldn't be so bad.

The original post says "Christian creation".

I didn't see that...

I edited it afterwards. I meant Christian creation from the start.
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I still don't see "Christian creation."
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Why teach creationism in a history class? Why not in a religious studies class?
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Public Schools wouldn't allow it, Catholic Schools like the one I go to should and already teach itnintendo_fan675
I thought the pope was supposed to be infallible?
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I still don't see "Christian creation."CptJSparrow
Look at my first post. :|
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well then we definitely cant teach christian creation because christian creationism asserts that the universe is 6000 years old, which is physically impossible
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I still don't see "Christian creation."Slepanandiaz
Look at my first post. :|

It says "Christiancreation." Gotcha!
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[QUOTE="Slepanandiaz"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I still don't see "Christian creation."CptJSparrow
Look at my first post. :|

It says "Christiancreation." Gotcha!

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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I see. In the broadest sense of creation, you would be correct at some point. However I'm guessing you didn't mean creationism in the sense that "an unidentified deity created the universe and how it behaves in order for us to evolve." If however you wish to teach creationism, you are changing the scope of science from strictly dealing with natural phenomenon to what is supernatural. You must then allow the teaching of astrology, alchemy, and occultisms. You must also present creationism from the perspective of every religion. This will allow the students to have all of the theories about the origins of life that man has developed, right? My next question is "Why is creation a legitimate alternative?" Sure, logic dictates that we either arrived by scientific determinism or that something created the universe, perhaps even intended for evolution to result in us, but is this a worthy alternative to the only scientific theory on the origins of life? Is it testable? Does it have evidence against the evolutionary process?CptJSparrow

Astrology, alchemy, and occultism do not deal with the origins of life. Even if they are on the same level as far as science goes, they are irrelevant to the teachings of origins.

Creationism does not seek to prove a specific creator. No interpretation would need be taught.

It is, but I have to go. I'll be back.

You misunderstood the reason why I stated astrology, alchemy, and occultism. I said you would have to change the definition of science to dealing with the supernatural in order to be able to teach creationism. Naturally, science would then include these topics. I did not say these would now be included in the hypothetical creationism classroom.

I didn't say that creationism sought to prove a specific creator, though it isn't exactly a secret which hypothetical creator you feel that you are coming closer to understanding by researching creationists' claims. My point in teaching every different interpretation of creationism is the same concept as (1) teaching the different theories about evolution, (2) teaching creationism and evolution as alternatives to each other--using this logic, and we have to teach the varying theories of creationism. Furthermore, the court rulings against creation science and intelligent design have all shown that it is a carbon copy of religion science that has undergone "Search & Replace" on Microsoft Word in order to remove all of the words that clearly suggest its biblical origins.

Oh. Well, creationism does not have to go into the supernatural, at least up until a point.

I suppose not. There are only a few interpretations to creationism that I know of: Young-Earth Creationism, which suggests that the Earth is young, Old-Earth creationism, which follows the normal methods of carbon dating, but still denies evolution, and theistic evolution, which is evolution after God created life, though I prefer the term "bio Logos". I do not see much problem in teaching one or all of these in a ****oom.

As for court rulings, I don't know much about those.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I see. In the broadest sense of creation, you would be correct at some point. However I'm guessing you didn't mean creationism in the sense that "an unidentified deity created the universe and how it behaves in order for us to evolve." If however you wish to teach creationism, you are changing the scope of science from strictly dealing with natural phenomenon to what is supernatural. You must then allow the teaching of astrology, alchemy, and occultisms. You must also present creationism from the perspective of every religion. This will allow the students to have all of the theories about the origins of life that man has developed, right? My next question is "Why is creation a legitimate alternative?" Sure, logic dictates that we either arrived by scientific determinism or that something created the universe, perhaps even intended for evolution to result in us, but is this a worthy alternative to the only scientific theory on the origins of life? Is it testable? Does it have evidence against the evolutionary process?Silver_Dragon17

Astrology, alchemy, and occultism do not deal with the origins of life. Even if they are on the same level as far as science goes, they are irrelevant to the teachings of origins.

Creationism does not seek to prove a specific creator. No interpretation would need be taught.

It is, but I have to go. I'll be back.

You misunderstood the reason why I stated astrology, alchemy, and occultism. I said you would have to change the definition of science to dealing with the supernatural in order to be able to teach creationism. Naturally, science would then include these topics. I did not say these would now be included in the hypothetical creationism classroom.

I didn't say that creationism sought to prove a specific creator, though it isn't exactly a secret which hypothetical creator you feel that you are coming closer to understanding by researching creationists' claims. My point in teaching every different interpretation of creationism is the same concept as (1) teaching the different theories about evolution, (2) teaching creationism and evolution as alternatives to each other--using this logic, and we have to teach the varying theories of creationism. Furthermore, the court rulings against creation science and intelligent design have all shown that it is a carbon copy of religion science that has undergone "Search & Replace" on Microsoft Word in order to remove all of the words that clearly suggest its biblical origins.

Oh. Well, creationism does not have to go into the supernatural, at least up until a point.

I suppose not. There are only a few interpretations to creationism that I know of: Young-Earth Creationism, which suggests that the Earth is young, Old-Earth creationism, which follows the normal methods of carbon dating, but still denies evolution, and theistic evolution, which is evolution after God created life, though I prefer the term "bio Logos". I do not see much problem in teaching one or all of these in a ****oom.

As for court rulings, I don't know much about those.

we cant teach them cuz they're both theological, which is deeply rooted in religion.

also, there is hardly a shread of evidence for creationism.Im no longer a creationist. now im into that hole theistic evolution, which a lot of people in the world believe. creationists say that evolutionists are motivated by their athiestic beliefs, but that isn't true as many evolutionists are actually religious

I got that on wikipedia

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I see. In the broadest sense of creation, you would be correct at some point. However I'm guessing you didn't mean creationism in the sense that "an unidentified deity created the universe and how it behaves in order for us to evolve." If however you wish to teach creationism, you are changing the scope of science from strictly dealing with natural phenomenon to what is supernatural. You must then allow the teaching of astrology, alchemy, and occultisms. You must also present creationism from the perspective of every religion. This will allow the students to have all of the theories about the origins of life that man has developed, right? My next question is "Why is creation a legitimate alternative?" Sure, logic dictates that we either arrived by scientific determinism or that something created the universe, perhaps even intended for evolution to result in us, but is this a worthy alternative to the only scientific theory on the origins of life? Is it testable? Does it have evidence against the evolutionary process?Silver_Dragon17

Astrology, alchemy, and occultism do not deal with the origins of life. Even if they are on the same level as far as science goes, they are irrelevant to the teachings of origins.

Creationism does not seek to prove a specific creator. No interpretation would need be taught.

It is, but I have to go. I'll be back.

You misunderstood the reason why I stated astrology, alchemy, and occultism. I said you would have to change the definition of science to dealing with the supernatural in order to be able to teach creationism. Naturally, science would then include these topics. I did not say these would now be included in the hypothetical creationism classroom.

I didn't say that creationism sought to prove a specific creator, though it isn't exactly a secret which hypothetical creator you feel that you are coming closer to understanding by researching creationists' claims. My point in teaching every different interpretation of creationism is the same concept as (1) teaching the different theories about evolution, (2) teaching creationism and evolution as alternatives to each other--using this logic, and we have to teach the varying theories of creationism. Furthermore, the court rulings against creation science and intelligent design have all shown that it is a carbon copy of religion science that has undergone "Search & Replace" on Microsoft Word in order to remove all of the words that clearly suggest its biblical origins.

Oh. Well, creationism does not have to go into the supernatural, at least up until a point.

I suppose not. There are only a few interpretations to creationism that I know of: Young-Earth Creationism, which suggests that the Earth is young, Old-Earth creationism, which follows the normal methods of carbon dating, but still denies evolution, and theistic evolution, which is evolution after God created life, though I prefer the term "bio Logos". I do not see much problem in teaching one or all of these in a ****oom.

As for court rulings, I don't know much about those.

Most of the courts found it unconstitutional under the Establishment Clause, though that doesn't make any sense at all. Congress wasn't the ones making it happen. I don't see a problem with them being taught in, say, Comparative Religion, but definitely not in science class.
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[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I see. In the broadest sense of creation, you would be correct at some point. However I'm guessing you didn't mean creationism in the sense that "an unidentified deity created the universe and how it behaves in order for us to evolve." If however you wish to teach creationism, you are changing the scope of science from strictly dealing with natural phenomenon to what is supernatural. You must then allow the teaching of astrology, alchemy, and occultisms. You must also present creationism from the perspective of every religion. This will allow the students to have all of the theories about the origins of life that man has developed, right? My next question is "Why is creation a legitimate alternative?" Sure, logic dictates that we either arrived by scientific determinism or that something created the universe, perhaps even intended for evolution to result in us, but is this a worthy alternative to the only scientific theory on the origins of life? Is it testable? Does it have evidence against the evolutionary process?CptJSparrow

Astrology, alchemy, and occultism do not deal with the origins of life. Even if they are on the same level as far as science goes, they are irrelevant to the teachings of origins.

Creationism does not seek to prove a specific creator. No interpretation would need be taught.

It is, but I have to go. I'll be back.

You misunderstood the reason why I stated astrology, alchemy, and occultism. I said you would have to change the definition of science to dealing with the supernatural in order to be able to teach creationism. Naturally, science would then include these topics. I did not say these would now be included in the hypothetical creationism classroom.

I didn't say that creationism sought to prove a specific creator, though it isn't exactly a secret which hypothetical creator you feel that you are coming closer to understanding by researching creationists' claims. My point in teaching every different interpretation of creationism is the same concept as (1) teaching the different theories about evolution, (2) teaching creationism and evolution as alternatives to each other--using this logic, and we have to teach the varying theories of creationism. Furthermore, the court rulings against creation science and intelligent design have all shown that it is a carbon copy of religion science that has undergone "Search & Replace" on Microsoft Word in order to remove all of the words that clearly suggest its biblical origins.

Oh. Well, creationism does not have to go into the supernatural, at least up until a point.

I suppose not. There are only a few interpretations to creationism that I know of: Young-Earth Creationism, which suggests that the Earth is young, Old-Earth creationism, which follows the normal methods of carbon dating, but still denies evolution, and theistic evolution, which is evolution after God created life, though I prefer the term "bio Logos". I do not see much problem in teaching one or all of these in a ****oom.

As for court rulings, I don't know much about those.

Most of the courts found it unconstitutional under the Establishment Clause, though that doesn't make any sense at all. Congress wasn't the ones making it happen. I don't see a problem with them being taught in, say, Comparative Religion, but definitely not in science ****

Unconstitutional?!?!?! Whaaaa?!

Oh well. It doesn't make any sense to me either, especially since many other countries teach it, but whatever.

I don't see anything wrong with it being taught in science **** especially since many of the greatest scientific contributors (Newton, Galileo, hell, even Darwin) were creationists.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I see. In the broadest sense of creation, you would be correct at some point. However I'm guessing you didn't mean creationism in the sense that "an unidentified deity created the universe and how it behaves in order for us to evolve." If however you wish to teach creationism, you are changing the scope of science from strictly dealing with natural phenomenon to what is supernatural. You must then allow the teaching of astrology, alchemy, and occultisms. You must also present creationism from the perspective of every religion. This will allow the students to have all of the theories about the origins of life that man has developed, right? My next question is "Why is creation a legitimate alternative?" Sure, logic dictates that we either arrived by scientific determinism or that something created the universe, perhaps even intended for evolution to result in us, but is this a worthy alternative to the only scientific theory on the origins of life? Is it testable? Does it have evidence against the evolutionary process?Silver_Dragon17

Astrology, alchemy, and occultism do not deal with the origins of life. Even if they are on the same level as far as science goes, they are irrelevant to the teachings of origins.

Creationism does not seek to prove a specific creator. No interpretation would need be taught.

It is, but I have to go. I'll be back.

You misunderstood the reason why I stated astrology, alchemy, and occultism. I said you would have to change the definition of science to dealing with the supernatural in order to be able to teach creationism. Naturally, science would then include these topics. I did not say these would now be included in the hypothetical creationism classroom.

I didn't say that creationism sought to prove a specific creator, though it isn't exactly a secret which hypothetical creator you feel that you are coming closer to understanding by researching creationists' claims. My point in teaching every different interpretation of creationism is the same concept as (1) teaching the different theories about evolution, (2) teaching creationism and evolution as alternatives to each other--using this logic, and we have to teach the varying theories of creationism. Furthermore, the court rulings against creation science and intelligent design have all shown that it is a carbon copy of religion science that has undergone "Search & Replace" on Microsoft Word in order to remove all of the words that clearly suggest its biblical origins.

Oh. Well, creationism does not have to go into the supernatural, at least up until a point.

I suppose not. There are only a few interpretations to creationism that I know of: Young-Earth Creationism, which suggests that the Earth is young, Old-Earth creationism, which follows the normal methods of carbon dating, but still denies evolution, and theistic evolution, which is evolution after God created life, though I prefer the term "bio Logos". I do not see much problem in teaching one or all of these in a ****oom.

As for court rulings, I don't know much about those.

Most of the courts found it unconstitutional under the Establishment Clause, though that doesn't make any sense at all. Congress wasn't the ones making it happen. I don't see a problem with them being taught in, say, Comparative Religion, but definitely not in science ****

Unconstitutional?!?!?! Whaaaa?!

Oh well. It doesn't make any sense to me either, especially since many other countries teach it, but whatever.

I don't see anything wrong with it being taught in science **** especially since many of the greatest scientific contributors (Newton, Galileo, hell, even Darwin) were creationists.

well, that was before the age of science, and we've made it perfectly clear that creation isn't science. how would teaching creation not violate the constitution?

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Unconstitutional?!?!?! Whaaaa?!

Oh well. It doesn't make any sense to me either, especially since many other countries teach it, but whatever.

I don't see anything wrong with it being taught in science **** especially since many of the greatest scientific contributors (Newton, Galileo, hell, even Darwin) were creationists.

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I trust you meant the last one strictly in the "were" category.:P
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how would teaching creation not violate the constitution?353535355353535
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" - Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses.