Darwins Theory of Evolution is not Fact, it is merely Theory

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] I was saying that evolutionists assuming that body parts were vestigials has hindered medicine.gaming25

Please do elaborate.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="xaos"] I have no idea at all what you are saying with this post. None. Whatsoever.Guybrush_3

Are you trying to say that you believe 1+1=2 but you don't believe that1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=50 ?

I am saying that 1 times 50 didnt occur. Its pretty simple. I can tear a piece of paper without using 50 steps to occur.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Please do elaborate.

HoolaHoopMan

Its not that big of a deal to delve into. I was just saying that evolution has had flaws for medicine as well.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] That might have to do with the fact that it wasnt directed towards you, "whatsoever". What I was saying is that many Christians believe in small changes while many evolutionists believe in big changes. Is that clear enough for you? Also the vestigials part was replying to his first part of the comment and I was saying that evolutionists assuming that body parts were vestigials has hindered medicine. Next time you ask someone to "clarify" rather than taking the bombastic route of saying " I have no idea. None. Whatsoever". Its offensive, and you know it.gaming25

Are you trying to say that you believe 1+1=2 but you don't believe that1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=50 ?

I am new to this ,can anyone tell me a modern proof of evolution well yeah I know of mutation but.........FMAB_GTO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon-eating_bacteria

This bacteria has evolved the capability to consume an artificial fibre created by humans no more than 60 years ago. The fibre didn't exist before we created it, and these bacteria consume it like they would any other natural substance.

That is solid proof evolution occurs. The only possible way to make it not a fact is putting your fingers in your ears and outright denying it.

And if you want more "macroscopic" evolution, look at the fossil record of human homo sapien) ancestors. Seeing all the slight changes in skull structure and brain size over time is damming evidence in favour of it.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="gaming25"] I was basically saying that assuming body parts as vestigials has made some doctors not care about those parts and since they made assumptions of the unknown, they payed less attention to those parts for research, and medicine. Thats all.gaming25

Its not that big of a deal to delve into. I was just saying that evolution has had flaws for medicine as well.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] That might have to do with the fact that it wasnt directed towards you, "whatsoever". What I was saying is that many Christians believe in small changes while many evolutionists believe in big changes. Is that clear enough for you? Also the vestigials part was replying to his first part of the comment and I was saying that evolutionists assuming that body parts were vestigials has hindered medicine. Next time you ask someone to "clarify" rather than taking the bombastic route of saying " I have no idea. None. Whatsoever". Its offensive, and you know it.gaming25

Are you trying to say that you believe 1+1=2 but you don't believe that1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=50 ?

but you do agree that many small changes (+1) over time can lead to larger changes (1 to 50)

Darwin's theory of evolution is, indeed, just a theory. In fact, it has already been "reworked" to adapt to new discoveries, mainly the discovery of DNA. Darwin theorized that evolution happened by natural selection: individuals from a species have various small variations between them and the ones with the "best" variations lived longer and reproduced more. He didn't know *how* these variations came to be however. When DNA was discovered, scientists finally figured it out: The variations appear as a result of genetic mutation. This is an example of how Darwin's theory was reworked.

What some people love to ignore however, is that the theory relates to how evolution works, NOT if evolution actually exists. Evolution itself has been observed various times and is fact. It is how it works that Darwin't theory tries to explain.

Cataclism

Darwin's theory spawned the Theory of Evolution so how could it try to explain evolution exactly?

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] And examples would be? HoolaHoopMan

Its not that big of a deal to delve into. I was just saying that evolution has had flaws for medicine as well.

My point is that it has happened. Taking what I said at face value is fine since that isnt the big picture of the comment I made.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] I was saying that evolutionists assuming that body parts were vestigials has hindered medicine.gaming25

Please do elaborate.

Where is your evidence of this? Or is it your personal "theory"?

Isn't it scientists (chemists, pharmacists, clinicians, surgeons and biologists) that make the discoveries and not the doctors?

It's silly seeing these young people brought up on religion posting pointless threads like this. It's funny that the religious will accept what they're brought up on unquestionably, but if it's a strongly supported scientific theory - they'll argue against it until they die.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

Are you trying to say that you believe 1+1=2 but you don't believe that1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=50 ?

kussese

You should agree with me, since time doesnt work the same way as math.

[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"]I am new to this ,can anyone tell me a modern proof of evolution well yeah I know of mutation but.........foxhound_fox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon-eating_bacteria

This bacteria has evolved the capability to consume an artificial fibre created by humans no more than 60 years ago. The fibre didn't exist before we created it, and these bacteria consume it like they would any other natural substance.

That is solid proof evolution occurs. The only possible way to make it not a fact is putting your fingers in your ears and outright denying it.

And if you want more "macroscopic" evolution, look at the fossil record of human homo sapien) ancestors. Seeing all the slight changes in skull structure and brain size over time is damming evidence in favour of it.

Thank youuuuuu master !

My point is that it has happened. Taking what I said at face value is fine since this has nothing to do with the big picture of the comment I made.gaming25

Flaws don't "happen", evolution did, even though it didn't necessarily happen the way some people pretend it did.

[QUOTE="fillini"]

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

Scientific facts have not and do not work like that. There is no such thing as scientific absolutism. Science is based on skeptical enquiry.

RationalAtheist

Is sarcasism a fit of sarcasm?

You don't need faith to understand scientific models and theories, since they are justified with evidence, experiment, observation and peer review.

Darwin's theory of Evolution is a fact. Biology doesn't make a lick of sense and completely falls apart without it.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| I know right? The New Testament is not the oldest text out there.. Furthermore its ideas were ground breaking or different... It borrowed heavily from older mythologies not to mention Greek philosophy by men like Socrates, Aristotle and Plato.. Men who existed before Jesus Christ was even born.

laughingman42

No, I am saying the bible contains some historical truths...

Gensis 1 is not one of them.

Darwin's theory of Evolution is a fact. Biology doesn't make a lick of sense and completely falls apart without it.-Sun_Tzu-

In many ways its this age's "prove the earth is round".

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Darwin's theory of Evolution is a fact. Biology doesn't make a lick of sense and completely falls apart without it.blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Please do elaborate.

Where is your evidence of this? Or is it your personal "theory"?

Isn't it scientists (chemists, pharmacists, clinicians, surgeons and biologists) that make the discoveries and not the doctors?

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

Darwin's theory of evolution is, indeed, just a theory. In fact, it has already been "reworked" to adapt to new discoveries, mainly the discovery of DNA. Darwin theorized that evolution happened by natural selection: individuals from a species have various small variations between them and the ones with the "best" variations lived longer and reproduced more. He didn't know *how* these variations came to be however. When DNA was discovered, scientists finally figured it out: The variations appear as a result of genetic mutation. This is an example of how Darwin's theory was reworked.

What some people love to ignore however, is that the theory relates to how evolution works, NOT if evolution actually exists. Evolution itself has been observed various times and is fact. It is how it works that Darwin't theory tries to explain.

fillini

Darwin's theory spawned the Theory of Evolution so how could it try to explain evolution exactly?

Give me the exact point where micro-evolution would become macro evolution.

[QUOTE="fillini"]

[QUOTE="Cataclism"]

Darwin's theory of evolution is, indeed, just a theory. In fact, it has already been "reworked" to adapt to new discoveries, mainly the discovery of DNA. Darwin theorized that evolution happened by natural selection: individuals from a species have various small variations between them and the ones with the "best" variations lived longer and reproduced more. He didn't know *how* these variations came to be however. When DNA was discovered, scientists finally figured it out: The variations appear as a result of genetic mutation. This is an example of how Darwin's theory was reworked.

What some people love to ignore however, is that the theory relates to how evolution works, NOT if evolution actually exists. Evolution itself has been observed various times and is fact. It is how it works that Darwin't theory tries to explain.

Guybrush_3

Darwin's theory spawned the Theory of Evolution so how could it try to explain evolution exactly?

Give me the exact point where micro-evolution would become macro evolution.

Darwin's theory of Evolution is a fact. Biology doesn't make a lick of sense and completely falls apart without it.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="gaming25"]

Its not that big of a deal to delve into. I was just saying that evolution has had flaws for medicine as well.

gaming25

My point is that it has happened. Taking what I said at face value is fine since that isnt the big picture of the comment I made.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Darwin's theory of Evolution is a fact. Biology doesn't make a lick of sense and completely falls apart without it.xaos

Well tommorrow is never promised ;)

But is it a fact that the sun has risen? Like how I know that it is a fact that the Son has risen 8)

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]

[QUOTE="VisigothSaxon"]

No, I am saying the bible contains some historical truths...

Machoping

Gensis 1 is not one of them.

because every shred of scientific evidence ever points towards the universe being billions of years old.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="fillini"] You aren't saying you have to actually use a measure of faith/believe in science do you? (sarcasism)

fillini

Is sarcasism a fit of sarcasm?

You don't need faith to understand scientific models and theories, since they are justified with evidence, experiment, observation and peer review.

It'd be a fact to you. It would be rational to believe it too, if your life could not have changed in any other way, besides your God intervening for you. But seeing as people who have "found God" don't really change in any different ways to people believing other religions or none. Christians, Jews, Muslims and atheists all behave differently as individuals, but we all have a spectrum of behaviour that is remarkably similar.

Do you think your life has changed for the better or for the worse?

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Its a little like saying prove the sky is blue or the sun will rise tomorrow. At what point is enough evidence enough for those who won't believe it?gaming25

Well tommorrow is never promised ;)

But is it a fact that the sun has risen? Like how I know that it is a fact that the Son has risen 8)

But is it a fact that the sun has risen? Like how I know that it is a fact that the Son has risen 8)

gaming25

No it isn't....

Many scientists are doctors. And what I said wasnt a "personal theory", and it really wasnt the big picture of the comment I made to you as well.gaming25

The big picture you were trying to paint was that evolution has held medicine back. If this isn't your opinion, then whose is it? What else is there in this big picture that shows evolution blighting scientific progress?

How the hell did this crappy thread get so bi-

Nvm.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Darwin's theory of Evolution is a fact. Biology doesn't make a lick of sense and completely falls apart without it.fillini

Surly you can cite examples to back up your claim, no?HoolaHoopMan

My point is that it has happened. Taking what I said at face value is fine since that isnt the big picture of the comment I made.

Anyone see the National Geographic clip where a group of scientists were admiring the physiological makeup of a giraffe's heart and lungs andeverything and how amazing it was. They were all just like "Yeah" "Wow" "Incredible". Just mesmorized with how each function did this, this and this. And one of the scientists let's slip "Yes, beautifully designed." Everyone giggles. "Uh, evolved."

Man I gotta find that clip.

Evolution has a lot of holes which is why I believe in creation.

Please learn what theory actually means in regards to science.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="fillini"] i'll give you Micro-evolution has been "observed", via fossils and such. But there has been no observations ofmacro-evolution to have occurred. one can theorize that this bird has similar traits to that so and so, and derive a theory from there. but observed or have evidencea fish hasmorphed into a lizard? not a chance.

Darwin's theory spawned the Theory of Evolution so how could it try to explain evolution exactly?

xaos

Give me the exact point where micro-evolution would become macro evolution.

It certainly appears that way. I have never gotten a valid answer to that question.

So is gravity, atomic,motion, etc, etc. You can't cherry pick theories you know.

Anyone see the National Geographic clip where a group of scientists were admiring the physiological makeup of a giraffe's heart and lungsand stuff and how amazing it was. They were all just like "Yeah" "Wow" "Incredible". Just mesmorized with how each function did this this and this. And one of the scientists let's slip "Yes, beautifully designed." Everyone giggles. "Uh, evolved."

Man I gotta find that clip.

Evolution has a lot of holes which is why I believe in creation.

greeneye59

Evolution has a lot of holes, but something with zero testable evidence to back it up doesn't?

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

Many scientists are doctors. And what I said wasnt a "personal theory", and it really wasnt the big picture of the comment I made to you as well.

The big picture you were trying to paint was that evolution has held medicine back. If this isn't your opinion, then whose is it? What else is there in this big picture that shows evolution blighting scientific progress?

Again, it would seem that evolution has been a hindrance rather than a help in the practice of medicine. In fact, there are "vestigial organs" in the human body-but left over from our embryonic development. That has nothing to do with "molecules-to-man" evolution."gaming25

Evolution is not a problem, people not looking at it for what it truly is and drawing hasty conclusions are problematic.

It depends what you include in the "theory of evolution". Some are facts, some aren't.

Anyone see the National Geographic clip where a group of scientists were admiring the physiological makeup of a giraffe's heart and lungs andeverything and how amazing it was. They were all just like "Yeah" "Wow" "Incredible". Just mesmorized with how each function did this, this and this. And one of the scientists let's slip "Yes, beautifully designed." Everyone giggles. "Uh, evolved."

Man I gotta find that clip.

Evolution has a lot of holes which is why I believe in creation.

greeneye59

Do you know why giraffes have long necks?

How the hell did this crappy thread get so bi-

Nvm.

Dystopian-X

That is great, except I am a Metalhead and I don't think Obama is a facist.

That basically sums up this thread and any God/Religion vs Science thread anyway, although that is not what I intended this one to be...

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

Many scientists are doctors. And what I said wasnt a "personal theory", and it really wasnt the big picture of the comment I made to you as well.gaming25

The big picture you were trying to paint was that evolution has held medicine back. If this isn't your opinion, then whose is it? What else is there in this big picture that shows evolution blighting scientific progress?

What did it have anything to do with?

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] It's just a THEORY that the sun will rise tomorrow, not a fact :xxaos

Well tommorrow is never promised ;)

But is it a fact that the sun has risen? Like how I know that it is a fact that the Son has risen 8)

You're just taking yourself too seriously.

My question to you still stands "But is it a fact that the sun has risen?"

[QUOTE="greeneye59"]

Anyone see the National Geographic clip where a group of scientists were admiring the physiological makeup of a giraffe's heart and lungs andeverything and how amazing it was. They were all just like "Yeah" "Wow" "Incredible". Just mesmorized with how each function did this, this and this. And one of the scientists let's slip "Yes, beautifully designed." Everyone giggles. "Uh, evolved."

Man I gotta find that clip.

Evolution has a lot of holes which is why I believe in creation.

RationalAtheist

Do you know why giraffes have long necks?

Because I stretched them.

Anyone see the National Geographic clip where a group of scientists were admiring the physiological makeup of a giraffe's heart and lungsand stuff and how amazing it was. They were all just like "Yeah" "Wow" "Incredible". Just mesmorized with how each function did this this and this. And one of the scientists let's slip "Yes, beautifully designed." Everyone giggles. "Uh, evolved."

Man I gotta find that clip.

Evolution has a lot of holes which is why I believe in creation.

greeneye59