dear OT, what turned you away from your religion?

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#51 freek666
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I was baptised and confirmed as well, and I despise the catholic church. 

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Good for you, I have better things to waste my hate on than a beaten horse.

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#52 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

 

I was baptised and confirmed as well, and I despise the catholic church. 

freek666


Good for you, I have better things to waste my hate on than a beaten horse.

I have better things to do than support corrupt criminal organizations

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#53 mindstorm
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I have run toward it more than from it. Even as a child I would have my parents drop me off at church, usually having someone take me back home afterward. In fact, my family only half-heartedly supported me seeking to be a pastor until after they actually heard me preach. Over the last few years most of the times my dad has been in a church was for the purpose of hearing me preach.
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#54 chessmaster1989
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I was raised southern baptist, church every Wednesday night and twice on Sunday.br0kenrabbit

People go to church twice on Sundays? Did not know that. What is the reason for going twice?

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#55 AussieePet
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Too many religion threads here......if you have issues TC...talk to someone outside of a forum.LJS9502_basic
Don't forget politics
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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]I was raised southern baptist, church every Wednesday night and twice on Sunday.chessmaster1989

People go to church twice on Sundays? Did not know that. What is the reason for going twice?

I haven't heard of that either. Once in the morning and one at night?

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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]I was raised southern baptist, church every Wednesday night and twice on Sunday.chessmaster1989

People go to church twice on Sundays? Did not know that. What is the reason for going twice?

Sunday school and service in the mornings and then prayer service in the evenings.

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#58 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]I was raised southern baptist, church every Wednesday night and twice on Sunday.br0kenrabbit

People go to church twice on Sundays? Did not know that. What is the reason for going twice?

Sunday school and service in the mornings and then prayer service in the evenings.

What's the difference between the morning and evening services?
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#59 br0kenrabbit
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What's the difference between the morning and evening services?chessmaster1989

Morning services are more of a lecture the pastor has prepared. Evening services were typically weeks-long reading of a particular aspect of whatever (like Pauls missions or marriage and family or whatever) and was more educational than lecturing.

At least at the churches I attended. YMMV.

 

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]What's the difference between the morning and evening services?br0kenrabbit

Morning services are more of a lecture the pastor has prepared. Evening services were typically weeks-long reading of a particular aspect of whatever (like Pauls missions or marriage and family or whatever) and was more educational than lecturing.

At least at the churches I attended. YMMV.

 

sounds painful :P

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#61 br0kenrabbit
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sounds painful :P

wis3boi

Evening services were at least informative. Morning and Wednesday services are what the game&watch was for! :P

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#62 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]What's the difference between the morning and evening services?wis3boi

Morning services are more of a lecture the pastor has prepared. Evening services were typically weeks-long reading of a particular aspect of whatever (like Pauls missions or marriage and family or whatever) and was more educational than lecturing.

At least at the churches I attended. YMMV.

 

sounds painful :P

Not always. :P Often the mornings are more "preaching" and evenings "teaching." While one should not exist without the other within the church setting, many churches approach the services in such a way that the mornings are more "outside friendly" as that is likely when a non-Christian would show up. I am not saying that this is a universal idea or that it is the best idea, just the typical one.
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#63 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Wanting/believing something to be true is not relevant to what actually is true. What you are proposing is mysticism, which is a form of subjectivism. It has no bearing on objective reality.Laihendi

Neither does Randian "objectivism".

Every idea Ayn Rand published is objectively demonstrable. She did not deal with beliefs, opinions, or hopes. She dealt with facts and reason.

whatever you make yourself believe lai...

Ayn Rand did not use a scrap of logic in "Atlus Shrugged" all that book demonstrated was that she was a bad sci fi writer.

Plato's "The Republic" consists of nothing but logical arguments in an interesting format. Plato objectively proved the perfection of the technocratic system and unlike Rand did it in an entertaining way.

Plato trancends time, Rand is beyond obsolete(not to mention wrong).

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#64 MuD3
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went to church until i was 18... since i was about 8 i didn't believe any of it.

yes my parents know... because i told them.

logical thinking turned me away.

i think the universe is far more complicated than anyone can even begin to imagine but there is no significance to our lives... perhaps there is something after this life but i think it's very unlikely.

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#66 gago-gago
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The Internet.
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#67 harashawn
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[QUOTE="mjf249"]Recently I've been questioning religion and have looked to science for answers. Ever since my Dad passed away it made me think of a lot of things, I mean really think about it, go to heaven and live an eternity. Doesn't heaven sound boring? Perhaps there is a bigger picture to it all but won't know until we die. I just think religion was created more to keep humanity in somewhat of an order. This gay marriage stuff also got me thinking, so God who loves all his creations is willing to send gay and lesbian people to rot in hell for an eternity because they had sex with the other sex, and this God sent his only begotten son to die for your sins, but somehow he is angry when he sees two men having sex or two females? C'mon it's ridiculous. Not only that but what is there to love about humans? How can someone love us unconditionally and keep track of each and one of us? I just think its all a fairy tale. Just enjoy the time you have, a prepared man is always ready to die. It didn't bother me before I was born, it's just the idea of the fear of leaving your loved one behind that hurts. Nothing to fear, just live your life! I just think life is common in our universe and just a repeating cycle. We aren't anything special, just a puppet in the bigger picture.

The idea of Eternal Hellfire is not exactly a Biblical concept. In fact, Genesis clearly states "By the sweat of your brow will you have food to eat until you return to the ground from which you were made. For you were made from dust, and to dust you will return." The concept of Hell comes from a misinterpretation of "There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out."
Many people don't realize it, but Jesus calls Christians to do good for mankind; not to decide who will go to Heaven or Hell. The only way to avoid eternal suffering in this life is to do good things and put others before yourself. If you live selfishly you will always be unhappy on Earth, and that is hell.
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#68 lonewolf604
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I watched Spawn the Animated Series, and was so spooked about Hell Spawns in general, which got me scared of hell. Then I realized.....wait a minute, isn't it silly to be scared into believing god just to avoid hellfire? Then the Westboro Baptist Church came along. At first I was like, who are these nuts? They aren't real christians. Then I realize they knew the bible really well, and I saw the hypocrisy in christian beliefs.
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#69 MakeMeaSammitch
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logic.

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I woke up.
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#73 m25105
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So to all you people that's irreligious, do you believe in something or nothing? Cause if you throw away the idea because of religion than you're not opening up your mind to the concept of 1 and 0. Either everything we know popped out no where = 0 or something created everything = 1.
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#74 wis3boi
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So to all you people that's irreligious, do you believe in something or nothing? Cause if you throw away the idea because of religion than you're not opening up your mind to the concept of 1 and 0. Either everything we know popped out no where = 0 or something created everything = 1.m25105

I hope you aren't serious, but in the case you are...atheism is the position on the concept of god(s).  Stating "you are an atheist, therefore you must believe (x)" is nonsense.  Nobody states we came from nothing.  The answer is "I don't know", instead of fiilling the gaps with magic and bologna

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#76 GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

I hope you aren't serious, but in the case you are...atheism is the position on the concept of god(s). Stating "you are an atheist, therefore you must believe (x)" is nonsense. Nobody states we came from nothing. The answer is "I don't know", instead of fiilling the gaps with magic and bologna

SNIPER4321

I hope you aren't serious,wis3boi

lol

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#77 ghoklebutter
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I didn't like its teachings, nor did I find it to be a true religion.
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#78 SirWander
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I was never a religious person.

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#79 MuD3
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So to all you people that's irreligious, do you believe in something or nothing? Cause if you throw away the idea because of religion than you're not opening up your mind to the concept of 1 and 0. Either everything we know popped out no where = 0 or something created everything = 1.m25105


well.. nobody said irreligious people believe everything popped out of nowhere... but how is popping out of nowhere any more ridiculous than everything being created by something? i for one find the idea that "there was nothing and then there was something" just as weird a thought as "there was a creator who has always been who made everything"

in fact i would feel more comfortable siding with the argument there there was nothing and then there was something just because the idea that something could have always existed is mind boggling...

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People like grayfox and sniper
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]I didn't like its teachings, nor did I find it to be a true religion.SNIPER4321
then what did u find true religion?

None of them.
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#84 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] then what did u find true religion?

None of them.

are u one of those propagandist Fake ex muslim?

What in the world gives you the idea that I'm a fake ex-Muslim? And what is this about propaganda?
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#86 Lord_Omikron666
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Though I was raised Catholic, my logic and reason eventually kicked in and said there's seriously something wrong with religion and it's all full of shit.

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[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] What in the world gives you the idea that I'm a fake ex-Muslim? And what is this about propaganda?

Ever anti islamic site claim they are ex muslims. so no surprise if u are fake. i mean Leaving religion just to become athiest? really? who the F**K do this? eitherway we are in advantage. if u turn out right. nothing happen to us. if we turn our right. u will suffer punishment. world is not everything. anyone can die any day. today, tommorow, or getting old.

Quite a few people, actually. I'm not unique. And I hope you know the problems of Pascal's wager. As for the fact that death is inevitable, I don't see why you're bringing up something I'm already well aware of (like many others).
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From my religion, nothing. Although I am against all opulence manifested by the church.
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[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Quite a few people, .

1% real. 99% fake this is how ex muslims work. Islam is fastest growing religion in world. even with hate. second thing is i found that ex muslims story are some of the most repetetive stories i have ever hear. bad writing, average story but repetetive, trying way too hard but fail at end. then my fav part. i mean comedy they do is. most ppls now leaving islam. where?? in jungle?? :lol:

I didn't say that most Muslims are leaving Islam. I just said that there are definitely people out there who are ex-Muslim atheists. You're twisting my words.
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I didn't like its teachings.ghoklebutter
you don't know its teachings. if you do then what are they, teach me :)

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#92 GrayF0X786
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People like grayfox and sniperthemajormayor
people who hate Islam would naturaly hate those who defend it, haters gonna hate :)

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]People like grayfox and sniperGrayF0X786

people who hate Islam would naturaly hate those who defend it, haters gonna hate :)

I don't hate Islam
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#94 themajormayor
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And I don't hate either of you for that matter either. You just turn me away from me religion
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And I don't hate either of you for that matter either. You just turn me away from me religionthemajormayor
poor excuse, but i guess people use any excuse these days, what about me turns you away?

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]And I don't hate either of you for that matter either. You just turn me away from me religionGrayF0X786

poor excuse, but i guess people use any excuse these days, what about me turns you away?

Your will to limit others people freedom, your obsessive way of defending anything whatsoever related to islam, and your poor argument skills. Whenever someone provides a good argument your answer is "no you're blind!!". And all this is representative of religion actually.
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#98 alim298
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Nothing ever turned me away from my religion. All these talks in OT or anywherelse just made me understand and love my religion more which is Islam. All that have been argued around the statements of Quran I have the answer.And things that are argued about Muslims' believes I either find it in Muslims' weakness (and not Islam) or simply an argue with no reasoning to it. The most important tool of a man in my religion is his mind. I never turned away from freely thinking.

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#99 GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]And I don't hate either of you for that matter either. You just turn me away from me religionthemajormayor

poor excuse, but i guess people use any excuse these days, what about me turns you away?

Your will to limit others people freedom, your obsessive way of defending anything whatsoever related to islam, and your poor argument skills. Whenever someone provides a good argument your answer is "no you're blind!!". And all this is representative of religion actually.

why you turn away from religion is because i defend Islam? and the way i argue? :lol:

and just because some provides an argument that is more closer to your view doesn't make it a good one, i don't actually remember turning around just calling someone blind (for no reason ofcourse)

but still, you are using a poor excuse and it effects me in no way at all, it is nice of you to be a typical religion hater by making one man a representative or a worldwide faith, afterall it is the easy way out for you :)

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#100 hippiesanta
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this thread tarnish the non believers. atheist shouldn't be trendy....