dear OT, what turned you away from your religion?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Quite a few people, .SNIPER4321

yeah, because apparently people of countries with largest muslim population don't really like condoms.

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[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]Islam is fastest growing religion in world.SNIPER4321

yeah, because apparently people of countries with largest muslim population don't really like condoms.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] poor excuse, but i guess people use any excuse these days, what about me turns you away?

GrayF0X786

Not because you "defend" Islam. But how you "defend" it. You seem incapable of substantiating your claims in any way. This leads to you fleeing the argument with ad hominems.

and just because some provides an argument that is more closer to your view doesn't make it a good one, i don't actually remember turning around just calling someone blind (for no reason ofcourse)

Never said that it does. The fact of the matter is though there is no good argument that any religion would be true and you further emphasize this point with your poor reasoning. No you do it all the time. Saying "you're blind" or "it's not worth trying to explain to someone like you". But in all this time I've never seen any attempt to trying to "explain" your views.

but still, you are using a poor excuse and it effects me in no way at all, it is nice of you to be a typical religion hater by making one man a representative or a worldwide faith, afterall it is the easy way out for you :)

When did I say it was only one man? What I said was that you exemplify what's wrong with religion.

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[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]Islam is fastest growing religion in world.SNIPER4321

yeah, because apparently people of countries with largest muslim population don't really like condoms.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] Ever anti islamic site claim they are ex muslims. so no surprise if u are fake. i mean Leaving religion just to become athiest? really? who the F**K do this? eitherway we are in advantage. if u turn out right. nothing happen to us. if we turn our right. u will suffer punishment. world is not everything. anyone can die any day. today, tommorow, or getting old.dramaybaz

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Quite a few people, actually. I'm not unique. And I hope you know the problems of Pascal's wager. As for the fact that death is inevitable, I don't see why you're bringing up something I'm already well aware of (like many others).GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Your will to limit others people freedom, your obsessive way of defending anything whatsoever related to islam, and your poor argument skills. Whenever someone provides a good argument your answer is "no you're blind!!". And all this is representative of religion actually.themajormayor

Not because you "defend" Islam. But how you "defend" it. You seem incapable of substantiating your claims in any way. This leads to you fleeing the argument with ad hominems.

and just because some provides an argument that is more closer to your view doesn't make it a good one, i don't actually remember turning around just calling someone blind (for no reason ofcourse)

Never said that it does. The fact of the matter is though there is no good argument that any religion would be true and you further emphasize this point with your poor reasoning. No you do it all the time. Saying "you're blind" or "it's not worth trying to explain to someone like you". But in all this time I've never seen any attempt to trying to "explain" your views.

but still, you are using a poor excuse and it effects me in no way at all, it is nice of you to be a typical religion hater by making one man a representative or a worldwide faith, afterall it is the easy way out for you :)

When did I say it was only one man? What I said was that you exemplify what's wrong with religion.

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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"] In all honesty, I doubt you were a practising person in the first place, just sat there and took it for granted.themajormayor

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] why you turn away from religion is because i defend Islam? and the way i argue? :lol:

Not because you "defend" Islam. But how you "defend" it. You seem incapable of substantiating your claims in any way. This leads to you fleeing the argument with ad hominems.

and just because some provides an argument that is more closer to your view doesn't make it a good one, i don't actually remember turning around just calling someone blind (for no reason ofcourse)

Never said that it does. The fact of the matter is though there is no good argument that any religion would be true and you further emphasize this point with your poor reasoning. No you do it all the time. Saying "you're blind" or "it's not worth trying to explain to someone like you". But in all this time I've never seen any attempt to trying to "explain" your views.

but still, you are using a poor excuse and it effects me in no way at all, it is nice of you to be a typical religion hater by making one man a representative or a worldwide faith, afterall it is the easy way out for you :)

When did I say it was only one man? What I said was that you exemplify what's wrong with religion.

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] this, not a single practising Muslim would leave Islam, heck i cannot beleive any Muslim would leave the faith lol

GrayF0X786

I don't believe in any religion for the simple reason that there's nothing suggesting that any of them are actually true.

School. I was raised in private christian school my whole life, and the bible study teacher, and many other of the teachers that were devout christians there made me lose interest and doubt the religion all together.

They were such hypocrites and i could see that even though I was a kid.

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themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] you still have not shown a good enough reason to say why two people on off topic put you off religion, i'm still waiting...

GrayF0X786

my mum is a christian but she never pushed her views on me.

I have never believed as I always found it odd that people would follow something that you can't see or hear and that has no evidence of its existence.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"] I didn't say only two people. I said people like that. If people can't provide a good reason for religion then that turns me away from religion. It's pretty simple.themajormayor

So to all you people that's irreligious, do you believe in something or nothing? Cause if you throw away the idea because of religion than you're not opening up your mind to the concept of 1 and 0. Either everything we know popped out no where = 0 or something created everything = 1.m25105

Again, something comes from nothing all the time in the form of particles and antiparticles popping into and out of existence, so yes 0=1.

Just doesn't make sense to me. I actually liked church a lot though and enjoyed studying the bible.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] Ever anti islamic site claim they are ex muslims. so no surprise if u are fake. i mean Leaving religion just to become athiest? really? who the F**K do this? eitherway we are in advantage. if u turn out right. nothing happen to us. if we turn our right. u will suffer punishment. world is not everything. anyone can die any day. today, tommorow, or getting old.dramaybaz

What a strange thing to say.

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Quite a few people, actually. I'm not unique. And I hope you know the problems of Pascal's wager. As for the fact that death is inevitable, I don't see why you're bringing up something I'm already well aware of (like many others).GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"] In all honesty, I doubt you were a practising person in the first place, just sat there and took it for granted.ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Quite a few people, actually. I'm not unique. And I hope you know the problems of Pascal's wager. As for the fact that death is inevitable, I don't see why you're bringing up something I'm already well aware of (like many others).GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] this, not a single practising Muslim would leave Islam, heck i cannot beleive any Muslim would leave the faith lol

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]if i act like a complete moron like Sniper, that doesn't make me wrong nor does it make my faith wrong. :)SNIPER4321

Christianity always created more questions than answers. And the few answers that they did provide were contradicting and unsatisfying. Also the hypocritical nature of the so called "Christians" I saw every day disgusted me. I grew up in the heart of the Bible Belt.Nuck81

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[QUOTE="Nuck81"]Christianity always created more questions than answers. And the few answers that they did provide were contradicting and unsatisfying. Also the hypocritical nature of the so called "Christians" I saw every day disgusted me. I grew up in the heart of the Bible Belt.cain006

Anyways, being a "practicing Muslim" simply means you're deeper in the bullsh*t BossPerson

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]Christianity always created more questions than answers. And the few answers that they did provide were contradicting and unsatisfying. Also the hypocritical nature of the so called "Christians" I saw every day disgusted me. I grew up in the heart of the Bible Belt.cain006

I don't have a religion to be turned away from...

Pastor made the mistake of telling me "If you can find anything wrong with the Bible, then what is real and what isn't can make you ponder if the Bible is even real"

Plus it does help that if you look at religion with an un biased open mind you can see their flaws and contradicting nature.

dear OT,

what turned you away from your religion?

do your parents know you don't believe in a higher power? how did they find out?

was it your religion that turned you away? the sciences? personal reasons? or was it obvious to you all along?

or are you still a believer in something greater?

 

discuss. be cordial.

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My parents might know as I (mistakenly) friended a religious uncle on facebook, and I think he might have seen my profile and spread the news through the grapevine.  I've never told my parents and they've never said anything, though.

At first I stopped going to church because it was just a glorified social club.  Then I started actually studying the Bible on my own and realized that some of the things in there weren't sitting right with me.  After that I started going to school again, was exposed to new ideas that helped me deal with the universe better than religion ever did and became agnostic, then I started learning more about science and the origin of the universe and such and became an agnostic atheist.

I don't like the term greater.  No, I don't believe in anything greater.  I believe that there are things in nature that are currently incomprehensible to us, but that doesn't make them greater.  I really have trouble accepting any deistic religion, although I think there is an inherent need for religion using the term REALLY generally.  I like Daoism, though I don't like the more supernatural aspect.  Ultimately I think that any sort of spirituality has to be grounded in reality and science.  I consider myself a naturalist (i.e. everything that exists does so as part of nature, as opposed to supernaturalism), so really I'm going to look at anything that claims knowledge of things beyond the natural sphere as dubious.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]Anyways, being a "practicing Muslim" simply means you're deeper in the bullsh*t GrayF0X786

Never turned away.  I grew up with it, but I kinda fell away from it, in the sense that I was not truly a christian.  But that was good, because later I found out for myself what I believe.  Being told you are a christian is one thing.  Knowing you are and finding it out for yourself (to an extent) is another.  So yeah, I have not turned away :P.  I have turned towards.

My parents raised me as a Christian, no denomination.

I turned away from my religion by studying it actually. I've always had an interest in studying religions, specifically how it makes people tick and why people include certain things. After studying the three Abrahamic religions it was obvious that they are all connected and there couldn't possibly be a 'right' one. Add to that the fact that a lot of them are completely irrational by condemning things that someone couldn't possibly control, like homosexuality or a woman wanting to be something other then a sex object that pops out kids. I just can't take a religion seriously when it says god loves everyone and then in the next breath condemns someone for being homosexual, despite god creating them that way.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]Anyways, being a "practicing Muslim" simply means you're deeper in the bullsh*t GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="Nuck81"]Christianity always created more questions than answers. And the few answers that they did provide were contradicting and unsatisfying. Also the hypocritical nature of the so called "Christians" I saw every day disgusted me. I grew up in the heart of the Bible Belt.Nuck81

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="cain006"]Why would you stop being a Christian because of people? That's really dumb.

cain006