Defense of Marriage Act Struck Down as Unconstitutional (5-4)

Thread itself is much more interesting now that ahugecat is back to debate stuffdave123321

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

How am I not normal? Do I have a mental condition like homosexuals do? 

GD1551

they don't have a mental condition.  But by your definition, people with mental retardation, bipolar, schizophrenia, and any other range of defined mental disorders shouldn't be allowed to marry?

How don't they have a mental condition? And I cleared up the second part with my last reply.

Homosexuality was removed as a mental disorder by psychologists years ago.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

A man wanting to have sex with another man is not normal. A woman wanting to have sex with another woman is not normal.

AHUGECAT

Says who?

Says nature. The purpose of sex is to have more kids. Humans have changed that a little bit, but that's the root cause. If homosexuality is normal why not hebephilia, bestiality, or even pedophilia?

How does it feel to be the only person alive to receive a Darwin award?

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

How am I not normal? Do I have a mental condition like homosexuals do? 

GD1551

You're not normal as you take a hostile approach towards things that have zero effect on you and have no negative effects on any one whatsoever

How is it not a mental condition? It's clearly not normal behaviour.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

i already know where you're going with this, that we kill animals and eat their meat without their consent, so why shouldn't we be allowed to marry them? is that about right? what a shitty argument.

frannkzappa

You are EXACTLY right. It's such a shitty argument it has never been refuted. You are saying it's OK to load up pigs with steroids for their whole lives, put them in little cages, then slowly slaughter them without their consent, but if a man (or woman) wants to marry his/her pig and treat it like a king, then all of a sudden consent matters.

As I said, read that book I showed you. It will open your eyes.

marriage requires mutual consent, butchering livestock does not.

they are different scenarios with different requirements.

Lol so killing doesn't require their consent now. Glad to know that! Anyway, no, they are not different and you know that.

i would find it a bit odd if you aren't attracted to both sexes in some way.

to not requires a bit of self hate, which isn't healthy.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

You are EXACTLY right. It's such a shitty argument it has never been refuted. You are saying it's OK to load up pigs with steroids for their whole lives, put them in little cages, then slowly slaughter them without their consent, but if a man (or woman) wants to marry his/her pig and treat it like a king, then all of a sudden consent matters.

As I said, read that book I showed you. It will open your eyes.

AHUGECAT

Marriage is a legally binding agreement, thus it requires both parties to legally consent.

Not this argument again, did your liberal Marxist professor tell you this? You can simply change the law. Easy as that. Remember gays could not get married, or even be gay until they changed the laws.

they are two different laws. It's not a marriage if they both don't legally consent to it.  If you just force one into the marriage then it's like some form of slavery or indentured servitude.

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

You are EXACTLY right. It's such a shitty argument it has never been refuted. You are saying it's OK to load up pigs with steroids for their whole lives, put them in little cages, then slowly slaughter them without their consent, but if a man (or woman) wants to marry his/her pig and treat it like a king, then all of a sudden consent matters.

As I said, read that book I showed you. It will open your eyes.

AHUGECAT

marriage requires mutual consent, butchering livestock does not.

they are different scenarios with different requirements.

Lol so killing doesn't require their consent now. Glad to know that! Anyway, no, they are not different and you know that.

When has raising cattle required consent? Show me in thousands of years of history that a farmer has asked a cow for it's beef.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

A man wanting to have sex with another man is not normal. A woman wanting to have sex with another woman is not normal.

AHUGECAT

Says who?

Says nature. The purpose of sex is to have more kids. Humans have changed that a little bit, but that's the root cause. If homosexuality is normal why not hebephilia, bestiality, or even pedophilia?

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

You are EXACTLY right. It's such a shitty argument it has never been refuted. You are saying it's OK to load up pigs with steroids for their whole lives, put them in little cages, then slowly slaughter them without their consent, but if a man (or woman) wants to marry his/her pig and treat it like a king, then all of a sudden consent matters.

As I said, read that book I showed you. It will open your eyes.

AHUGECAT

marriage requires mutual consent, butchering livestock does not.

they are different scenarios with different requirements.

Lol so killing doesn't require their consent now. Glad to know that! Anyway, no, they are not different and you know that.

did you not see the word "livestock"

you have just told me marriage = butchering livestock.

Homosexuality was removed as a mental disorder by psychologists years ago.

jimkabrhel

I mean purely in terms of a physical trait, like a brain defect or something. It's like someone being born downs or something, it's just something that happens naturally but isn't normal.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

marriage requires mutual consent, butchering livestock does not.

 

 

they are different scenarios with different requirements.

jimkabrhel

Lol so killing doesn't require their consent now. Glad to know that! Anyway, no, they are not different and you know that.

When has raising cattle required consent? Show me in thousands of years of history that a farmer has asked a cow for it's beef.

So now consent of the cows matter? If a man wants to marry a cow, what is so wrong about that?

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Thread itself is much more interesting now that ahugecat is back to debate stuffAllicrombie

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Says who?

PannicAtack

Says nature. The purpose of sex is to have more kids. Humans have changed that a little bit, but that's the root cause. If homosexuality is normal why not hebephilia, bestiality, or even pedophilia?

Animals also kill their young.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Homosexuality was removed as a mental disorder by psychologists years ago.

GD1551

I mean purely in terms of a physical trait, like a brain defect or something. It's like someone being born downs or something, it's just something that happens naturally but isn't normal.

You have no evidence of that. It may be genetic mutation, but mutations happen with eye color, hair color and lots of other human traits. None of them is being legislated against in the US government.

It clearly is normal. You're just are incapable of rational thought (probably due to a mental condition)

toast_burner

Oh god, please don't start the rational thought shit, you sound like every redditor, atheist and pseudo intellectual on the internet. "I don't agree with what he says so he isn't thinking rational hurr durr".

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Says nature. The purpose of sex is to have more kids. Humans have changed that a little bit, but that's the root cause. If homosexuality is normal why not hebephilia, bestiality, or even pedophilia?

AHUGECAT

Animals also kill their young.

so do we...

it's natural

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Homosexuality was removed as a mental disorder by psychologists years ago.

GD1551

I mean purely in terms of a physical trait, like a brain defect or something. It's like someone being born downs or something, it's just something that happens naturally but isn't normal.

those two aren't comparable. and there isn't proof of a mental defect, let alone one comparable to that of someone with downs syndrome.

You have no evidence of that. It may be genetic mutation, but mutations happen with eye color, hair color and lots of other human traits. None of them is being legislated against in the US government.

jimkabrhel

The other things don't affect behaviour.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Lol so killing doesn't require their consent now. Glad to know that! Anyway, no, they are not different and you know that.

AHUGECAT

When has raising cattle required consent? Show me in thousands of years of history that a farmer has asked a cow for it's beef.

So now consent of the cows matter? If a man wants to marry a cow, what is so wrong about that?

It can't consent to a legally binding document

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Homosexuality was removed as a mental disorder by psychologists years ago.

GD1551

I mean purely in terms of a physical trait, like a brain defect or something. It's like someone being born downs or something, it's just something that happens naturally but isn't normal.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Homosexuality was removed as a mental disorder by psychologists years ago.

lostrib

I mean purely in terms of a physical trait, like a brain defect or something. It's like someone being born downs or something, it's just something that happens naturally but isn't normal.

those two aren't comparable. and there isn't proof of a mental defect, let alone one comparable to that of someone with downs syndrome.

I wasn't directly comparing to down syndrome, I was just using it as an example.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Homosexuality was removed as a mental disorder by psychologists years ago.

lostrib

I mean purely in terms of a physical trait, like a brain defect or something. It's like someone being born downs or something, it's just something that happens naturally but isn't normal.

those two aren't comparable. and there isn't proof of a mental defect, let alone one comparable to that of someone with downs syndrome.

http://americansfortruth.com/2012/06/21/philadelphia-gay-pride-parade-and-festival-feature-lewd-acts-porn-booth-sadomasochists/#more-11937

If doing this kind of stuff is normal (btw this is the PG stuff) then why don't heteros do it more?

And why do these gay pride "parades" always have booths for HIV and Hepatitis?

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Says nature. The purpose of sex is to have more kids. Humans have changed that a little bit, but that's the root cause. If homosexuality is normal why not hebephilia, bestiality, or even pedophilia?

AHUGECAT

Animals also kill their young.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

You have no evidence of that. It may be genetic mutation, but mutations happen with eye color, hair color and lots of other human traits. None of them is being legislated against in the US government.

GD1551

The other things don't affect behaviour.

Does that behavior effect you in any tangible way? Or are you just afraid of it? People used to be afraid of left-handed men and women. Or afraid of red-headed men and women. Was that logical?

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

When has raising cattle required consent? Show me in thousands of years of history that a farmer has asked a cow for it's beef.

lostrib

So now consent of the cows matter? If a man wants to marry a cow, what is so wrong about that?

It can't consent to a legally binding document

It also cannot consent to being slaughtered, but you don't care about that.

As I said, change the laws. Make it to were it can consent.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

It clearly is normal. You're just are incapable of rational thought (probably due to a mental condition)

GD1551

Oh god, please don't start the rational thought shit, you sound like every redditor, atheist and pseudo intellectual on the internet. "I don't agree with what he says so he isn't thinking rational hurr durr".

Every major psychiatric association disagree's with you. You are without a doubt wrong. 

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Homosexuality was removed as a mental disorder by psychologists years ago.

PannicAtack

I mean purely in terms of a physical trait, like a brain defect or something. It's like someone being born downs or something, it's just something that happens naturally but isn't normal.

It's not normal, so it has to be, and I don't know what you are talking about with my bayonetta sig.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

I mean purely in terms of a physical trait, like a brain defect or something. It's like someone being born downs or something, it's just something that happens naturally but isn't normal.

AHUGECAT

those two aren't comparable. and there isn't proof of a mental defect, let alone one comparable to that of someone with downs syndrome.

http://americansfortruth.com/2012/06/21/philadelphia-gay-pride-parade-and-festival-feature-lewd-acts-porn-booth-sadomasochists/#more-11937

If doing this kind of stuff is normal (btw this is the PG stuff) then why don't heteros do it more?

And why do these gay pride "parades" always have booths for HIV and Hepatitis?

Wow, way to post something entirely irrelevant to the conversation.  That has nothing to do with this quote thread.  

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Says nature. The purpose of sex is to have more kids. Humans have changed that a little bit, but that's the root cause. If homosexuality is normal why not hebephilia, bestiality, or even pedophilia?

AHUGECAT

Animals also kill their young.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Says nature. The purpose of sex is to have more kids. Humans have changed that a little bit, but that's the root cause. If homosexuality is normal why not hebephilia, bestiality, or even pedophilia?

AHUGECAT

Animals also kill their young.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

So now consent of the cows matter? If a man wants to marry a cow, what is so wrong about that?

AHUGECAT

It can't consent to a legally binding document

It also cannot consent to being slaughtered, but you don't care about that.

As I said, change the laws. Make it to were it can consent.

I'd rather change the law so that those who are ingorantly bigoted and prejudiced can be prosecuted. That would be far more productive. 

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

I mean purely in terms of a physical trait, like a brain defect or something. It's like someone being born downs or something, it's just something that happens naturally but isn't normal.

GD1551

It's not normal, so it has to be, and I don't know what you are talking about with my bayonetta sig.

really? that's your defense? 

[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

lol not only do the kids attend, they actually PARTICIPATE. This is the mindset of today's "America." America won't even exist in 20 years so who cares right?

AHUGECAT

Sok, breh. We can always move to Saudi Arabia, were traditional marriage is not being attacked by them libruhls and them wimmens know their place. 

I think someone should also be able to marry their pig, and if you disagree, then you're against love.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]Ah, the "nature" argument. You know, I could point to the thousands of animals that have been observed in same-sex activities, but you'd probably ignore it and claim it's commie propaganda before hawking books written by bible-thumpers.

dave123321

Animals also kill their young.

Human nature.

Plus I could easily destroy the "animals are gay, therefore it's natural" Marxist argument in a heartbeat.

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Animals also kill their young.

AHUGECAT

Human nature.

Plus I could easily destroy the "animals are gay, therefore it's natural" Marxist argument in a heartbeat.

plz do so

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

It can't consent to a legally binding document

jimkabrhel

It also cannot consent to being slaughtered, but you don't care about that.

As I said, change the laws. Make it to were it can consent.

I'd rather change the law so that those who are ingorantly bigoted and prejudiced can be prosecuted. That would be far more productive. 

Would you be arrested for being prejudiced against pedophiles or zoophiles or hebephiles?

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Animals also kill their young.

AHUGECAT

Human nature.

Plus I could easily destroy the "animals are gay, therefore it's natural" Marxist argument in a heartbeat.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

I mean purely in terms of a physical trait, like a brain defect or something. It's like someone being born downs or something, it's just something that happens naturally but isn't normal.

GD1551

It's not normal, so it has to be, and I don't know what you are talking about with my bayonetta sig.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

So now consent of the cows matter? If a man wants to marry a cow, what is so wrong about that?

AHUGECAT

It can't consent to a legally binding document

It also cannot consent to being slaughtered, but you don't care about that.

As I said, change the laws. Make it to were it can consent.

How can it consent? it's a fvcking cow, it doesn't understand what a marriage license is.  Are you really this stupid?  No, it can not consent to being killed, which angers a bunch of hippies (PETA).  However, I don't remember when it was required for the victim to give consent to be murdered.  Hence, Meat is murder

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Animals also kill their young.

AHUGECAT

Human nature.

Plus I could easily destroy the "animals are gay, therefore it's natural" Marxist argument in a heartbeat.

Marxist? Sad. Just ignorance on display. Especially when it was a conservative justice who is in full support of state's rights gave the majority opinion. Communism indeed.

dis dude be trollin yall

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

I mean purely in terms of a physical trait, like a brain defect or something. It's like someone being born downs or something, it's just something that happens naturally but isn't normal.

GD1551

It's not normal, so it has to be, and I don't know what you are talking about with my bayonetta sig.

dis dude be trollin yall

Jebus213

Mmmhmmm. These topics do bring it out. Surprised it's SW trolls doing the work, though.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Are you actually going to support your assertion that homosexuality is a mental disorder, or just continue spewing bullshit? Oh, and you didn't answer me about the Bayonetta sig.toast_burner

It's not normal, so it has to be, and I don't know what you are talking about with my bayonetta sig.

finally some polemics.

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Animals also kill their young.

AHUGECAT

Human nature.

Plus I could easily destroy the "animals are gay, therefore it's natural" Marxist argument in a heartbeat.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Yes or no, do you eat meat?

AHUGECAT

i already know where you're going with this, that we kill animals and eat their meat without their consent, so why shouldn't we be allowed to marry them?  is that about right? what a shitty argument.  

You are EXACTLY right. It's such a shitty argument it has never been refuted. You are saying it's OK to load up pigs with steroids for their whole lives, put them in little cages, then slowly slaughter them without their consent, but if a man (or woman) wants to marry his/her pig and treat it like a king, then all of a sudden consent matters.

As I said, read that book I showed you. It will open your eyes.

You were talking about how it homosexuality isn't "acceptable," to which I say: You have a Bayonetta sig. I don't think overly-violent or overly-sexual video games are acceptable. Why are you encouraging it? Also, yeah, you don't know what actually qualifies as a mental disorder.PannicAtack

Comparing behaviour to media? What's the point in even doing that? Also, yeah, I do.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

You were talking about how it homosexuality isn't "acceptable," to which I say: You have a Bayonetta sig. I don't think overly-violent or overly-sexual video games are acceptable. Why are you encouraging it? Also, yeah, you don't know what actually qualifies as a mental disorder.GD1551

Comparing behaviour to media? What's the point in even doing that? Also, yeah, I do.

If you knew what qualified as a mental disorder, you would know that homosexuality doesn't qualify. Unless you are beyond the expertise of thousands of mental health experts.