Defense of Marriage Act Struck Down as Unconstitutional (5-4)

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Lol you didn't say that, you said "Animals also engage in homosexuality, therefore it is natural." I pointed out that filicide and cannibalism is also found in animal behavior.

Now you don't even know what you're talking about!

AHUGECAT

No, you said animals behave in homosexuality, therefore it is natural.I never said anything about animal nature, nothing. It is as irrelevant as tree nature or rock nature.

Then you actually have the guts to say your argument was "There isn't anything wrong with homosexuality" and my reply to that was "But animals eat their young!"

Unbelievable

But let's ignore that fallacy and instead move on to "human nature."

What is your proof that homosexuality in humans is unnatural?

No, I'm asking you to prove that it's not natural for a guy to have feelings for another guy.PannicAtack

The natural order of the planet is male and female.

If this is not true, then many of our species would drastically decrease in nature. Homosexuality serves no real function in the overall advancement of all of humanity as a species. It is unnatural because it accomplishes nothing within our form.

"Usually, an un-neutered male dog will mount another male dog as a display of social dominance--in other words, as a way of letting the other dog know who's boss. While not as frequent, a female dog may mount for the same reason." (Source: http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/dog-problems/stopping-dog-humping/)

Homosexuality found in animals is more to do with social dominance, rather than being gay.

"Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction."(http://www.conservapedia.com/Antonio_Pardo_Caballos#cite_note-1)

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Bane_09"] Some guys have feelings for other guys and same for women. Is it really that hard to believe people are different than you?Bane_09

Some 45 year old men have feelings for a 13 year old girl. is it really that hard to believe people are different than you?

Did Debra LaFave (google her) "force herself" on the 14 year old boy?

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]No, I'm asking you to prove that it's not natural for a guy to have feelings for another guy.AHUGECAT

The natural order of the planet is male and female.

If this is not true, then many of our species would drastically decrease in nature. Homosexuality serves no real function in the overall advancement of all of humanity as a species. It is unnatural because it accomplishes nothing within our form.

"Usually, an un-neutered male dog will mount another male dog as a display of social dominance--in other words, as a way of letting the other dog know who's boss. While not as frequent, a female dog may mount for the same reason." (Source: http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/dog-problems/stopping-dog-humping/)

Homosexuality found in animals is more to do with social dominance, rather than being gay.

"Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction."(http://www.conservapedia.com/Antonio_Pardo_Caballos#cite_note-1)

Also, you're linking to conservapedia? Now I KNOW you're a troll.

You said "nature." Was I supposed to read your mind and assuming you were talking about "human nature" (which you have not defined) specifically?

But let's ignore that fallacy and instead move on to "human nature."

What is your proof that homosexuality in humans is unnatural?

PannicAtack

No, I just enjoyed your typical response. Practically everyone brings up animals once I bring up nature, don't worry. Everything you say I have already heard a million times (thus is why I am so good at refuting it).

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]No, I'm asking you to prove that it's not natural for a guy to have feelings for another guy.AHUGECAT

The natural order of the planet is male and female.

If this is not true, then many of our species would drastically decrease in nature. Homosexuality serves no real function in the overall advancement of all of humanity as a species. It is unnatural because it accomplishes nothing within our form.

"Usually, an un-neutered male dog will mount another male dog as a display of social dominance--in other words, as a way of letting the other dog know who's boss. While not as frequent, a female dog may mount for the same reason." (Source: http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/dog-problems/stopping-dog-humping/)

Homosexuality found in animals is more to do with social dominance, rather than being gay.

"Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction."(http://www.conservapedia.com/Antonio_Pardo_Caballos#cite_note-1)

Hey, AHUGECAT, please provide some non-biased sources for your arguments. kthnxby

This thread is growing at an exponential rate. 

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]No, I'm asking you to prove that it's not natural for a guy to have feelings for another guy.PannicAtack

The natural order of the planet is male and female.

If this is not true, then many of our species would drastically decrease in nature. Homosexuality serves no real function in the overall advancement of all of humanity as a species. It is unnatural because it accomplishes nothing within our form.

"Usually, an un-neutered male dog will mount another male dog as a display of social dominance--in other words, as a way of letting the other dog know who's boss. While not as frequent, a female dog may mount for the same reason." (Source: http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/dog-problems/stopping-dog-humping/)

Homosexuality found in animals is more to do with social dominance, rather than being gay.

"Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction."(http://www.conservapedia.com/Antonio_Pardo_Caballos#cite_note-1)

Lol you didn't even read ANYTHING I typed, and the conservapedia was a link to the quote, just a quote. But would me quoting a liberal source be better or something?

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]No, I'm asking you to prove that it's not natural for a guy to have feelings for another guy.princeofshapeir

The natural order of the planet is male and female.

If this is not true, then many of our species would drastically decrease in nature. Homosexuality serves no real function in the overall advancement of all of humanity as a species. It is unnatural because it accomplishes nothing within our form.

"Usually, an un-neutered male dog will mount another male dog as a display of social dominance--in other words, as a way of letting the other dog know who's boss. While not as frequent, a female dog may mount for the same reason." (Source: http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/dog-problems/stopping-dog-humping/)

Homosexuality found in animals is more to do with social dominance, rather than being gay.

"Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction."(http://www.conservapedia.com/Antonio_Pardo_Caballos#cite_note-1)

Lol did you even go there? It was a link to a quote, that's it. Let me guess, quoting a liberal source is so much better?

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Okay, I will make it easier for you: Sex is used for reproduction. Although humans are one of the few species that can have sex for pleasure, but the main thing is that sex is used for reproduction. A guy cannot reproduce via anal sex with another guy.

AHUGECAT

Would you say "So?" to a judge/defense/prosecution in a court room? No, because you'd get annihilated.

This thread is growing at an exponential rate. 

nomsayin

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The natural order of the planet is male and female.

If this is not true, then many of our species would drastically decrease in nature. Homosexuality serves no real function in the overall advancement of all of humanity as a species. It is unnatural because it accomplishes nothing within our form.

"Usually, an un-neutered male dog will mount another male dog as a display of social dominance--in other words, as a way of letting the other dog know who's boss. While not as frequent, a female dog may mount for the same reason." (Source: http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/dog-problems/stopping-dog-humping/)

Homosexuality found in animals is more to do with social dominance, rather than being gay.

"Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction."(http://www.conservapedia.com/Antonio_Pardo_Caballos#cite_note-1)

AHUGECAT

Lol you didn't even read ANYTHING I typed, and the conservapedia was a link to the quote, just a quote. But would me quoting a liberal source be better or something?

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

The natural order of the planet is male and female.

If this is not true, then many of our species would drastically decrease in nature. Homosexuality serves no real function in the overall advancement of all of humanity as a species. It is unnatural because it accomplishes nothing within our form.

"Usually, an un-neutered male dog will mount another male dog as a display of social dominance--in other words, as a way of letting the other dog know who's boss. While not as frequent, a female dog may mount for the same reason." (Source: http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/dog-problems/stopping-dog-humping/)

Homosexuality found in animals is more to do with social dominance, rather than being gay.

"Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction."(http://www.conservapedia.com/Antonio_Pardo_Caballos#cite_note-1)

AHUGECAT

Lol you didn't even read ANYTHING I typed, and the conservapedia was a link to the quote, just a quote. But would me quoting a liberal source be better or something?

If you want to be taken seriously you quote a professional, unbiased source. Try scouring the APA for evidence in support of your bigotry instead of resorting to NARTH or Conservapedia. princeofshapeir

The APA is not "unbiased" and the APA is considering changing the laws anyway. The APA has never not included pedophilia in its sexual orientation debate.

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This thread is growing at an exponential rate. 

dave123321

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]I thought you said animal sexuality was irrelevant? Also, you're linking to conservapedia? Now I KNOW you're a troll.PannicAtack

Lol you didn't even read ANYTHING I typed, and the conservapedia was a link to the quote, just a quote. But would me quoting a liberal source be better or something?

Actually it was just another stab at your argument.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Lol you didn't even read ANYTHING I typed, and the conservapedia was a link to the quote, just a quote. But would me quoting a liberal source be better or something?

AHUGECAT

Actually it was just another stab at your argument.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]If you want to be taken seriously you quote a professional, unbiased source. Try scouring the APA for evidence in support of your bigotry instead of resorting to NARTH or Conservapedia. AHUGECAT

The APA is not "unbiased" and the APA is considering changing the laws anyway. The APA has never not included pedophilia in its sexual orientation debate.

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] I did read. Your posted sources concern animal sexuality, which you said just on this page was completely irrelevant.PannicAtack

Actually it was just another stab at your argument.

Um I gave you proof.

I'd like to point out that AHUGECAT is racist. A couple years ago, coolbeans exposed some PMs in which AHUGECAT said alot of really racist stuff. Does anybody remember what that thread was called?

AHUGECAT

While I do not seem to agree with your views, I for one am glad to have you here on OT. We need more people with different viewpoints. Your compelling arguments and rebuttals keep OT's discussions interesting. 

Man, y'all need to chill out.

Man, y'all need to chill out.

THE_DRUGGIE

Man, y'all need to chill out.

THE_DRUGGIE

I'm considering it, everyone is attacking me and my sources instead of my arguments. I think this is an important issue, and to be honest, I am not against gay marriage per se, but the way it's happening.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Man, y'all need to chill out.

AHUGECAT

I'm considering it, everyone is attacking me and my sources instead of my arguments. I think this is an important issue, and to be honest, I am not against gay marriage per se, but the way it's happening.

Please explain this, then.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Actually it was just another stab at your argument.

AHUGECAT

Um I gave you proof.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Man, y'all need to chill out.

THE_DRUGGIE

I'm considering it, everyone is attacking me and my sources instead of my arguments. I think this is an important issue, and to be honest, I am not against gay marriage per se, but the way it's happening.

Please explain this, then.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

nomsayin

While I do not seem to agree with your views, I for one am glad to have you here on OT. We need more people with different viewpoints. Your compelling arguments and rebuttals keep OT's discussions interesting. 

everyone is attacking me and my sources instead of my arguments. AHUGECAT

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]everyone is attacking me and my sources instead of my arguments. princeofshapeir

I don't know about you guys, but I don't think it's worth anybody's time to argue with somebody who is a birther, a white supremacist, and a 9/11 truther. 

I'd like to point out that AHUGECAT is racist. A couple years ago, coolbeans exposed some PMs in which AHUGECAT said alot of really racist stuff. Does anybody remember what that thread was called?

GreySeal9

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nomsayin

While I do not seem to agree with your views, I for one am glad to have you here on OT. We need more people with different viewpoints. Your compelling arguments and rebuttals keep OT's discussions interesting. 

You just like it when other people troll. ;)

I don't know about you guys, but I don't think it's worth anybody's time to argue with somebody who is a birther, a white supremacist and a 9/11 truther. 

GreySeal9

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Which you did instead of supplying proof of your claim that homosexuality is unnatural. Gotcha.PannicAtack

Um I gave you proof.

Scientists are biased, just so you know.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I'd like to point out that AHUGECAT is racist. A couple years ago, coolbeans exposed some PMs in which AHUGECAT said alot of really racist stuff. Does anybody remember what that thread was called?

nomsayin

Yep. That's the one. Too bad the PMS aren't showing up. They were ridiculously racist. Would make this thread even more entertaining.

Eyyyup, still waiting on that explanation.

You just like it when other people troll. ;)jimkabrhel

Eyyyup, still waiting on that explanation.

THE_DRUGGIE

Basically it was non-stop propaganda that led to gay marriage being accepted. Now pedophilia and bestiality are next.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Um I gave you proof.

AHUGECAT

Scientists are biased, just so you know.

When your arguments fall apart, you take a shots at scientists in general. Nice try. Falls apart when you consider that data and results put in journal articles are peer reviewed, so any bias is considered, if necessary rejected. 

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Um I gave you proof.

AHUGECAT

Scientists are biased, just so you know.

[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

Eyyyup, still waiting on that explanation.

AHUGECAT

Basically it was non-stop propaganda that led to gay marriage being accepted. Now pedophilia and bestiality are next.

So what are your ideas for pro-pedophilia/beastiality propaganda?

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]You just like it when other people troll. ;)nomsayin

So I was right when I called you a troll when you first started posting frequently dave123321

Yeah. While I wasn't the most clever, I definitely was hard to detect. In my prime, most thought I was real. Also, my rages were believeable. 

[QUOTE="dave123321"] So I was right when I called you a troll when you first started posting frequently nomsayin

You have grown SO much. Still better than AHUGECAT though.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Not really. You said "well it doesn't accomplish anything within our form." Not real scientific there. You establish an arbitrary means of "unnatural" that I don't think really stands up under any sort of scientific scrutiny. Do you have, say, any peer-reviewed evidence that homosexuality in humans in unnatural, rather than a half-baked train of thought that doesn't really prove anything?PannicAtack

Scientists are biased, just so you know.

It's not "peer review" when: 90%+ of scientists are liberal, they get their funding from liberal sources, and anything that contradicts the liberal viewpoint is attacked relentlessly without a debate

[QUOTE="nomsayin"][QUOTE="dave123321"] So I was right when I called you a troll when you first started posting frequently jimkabrhel

You have grown SO much. Still better than AHUGECAT though.