Dem. lawmaker: To get gun control, Obama must exploit shooting

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Look at the murder and shooting rates. Don't be dense.

Wasdie

Probably the same since the majority of gang related violence is committed with unregistered firearms, and gang related violence makes up the vast majority of large city gun crimes.

Remember buying a registering a gun is expensive and they have you on file. Buying an unregistered gun from the same guys that move drugs and other illegal items is cheaper and nobody has record of the gun. Most criminals who have an intent on using firearms in a crime are not going to buy the gun from a licensed dealer.

Thank you for this. That means that those who commit most gun crimes are not going to be affected by stricter gun control. Therefore, it would be wasted, and actually detrimental. Those who would buy guns through legal means for self-defense and/or hunting would become easier victims for the real criminals. It's such a simple concept.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Yeah, look at NYC and Chicago. It has worked really well for them:roll:

hartsickdiscipl

Of course they are not, but there are a lot of people living in those cities. They give us a pretty decent idea of what does and doesn't work. Switzerland is another good example of how guns =/= violent crime.

Regardless, the 2nd Amendment is important. This government's recent propensity for tyrannical policies requires that the people stay armed. This is not the time to go all soft.

Also how could you say he just randomly stole the weapons when he clearly was incredibly familiar with them?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Nobody but you was talking about increasing the amount of guns.

Wasdie

lol is this a serious comment? Allowing people to buy a gun on every corner increases the amount of guns Wasdie.

Wasdie.. can you understand the concept of buy and sell? Gun shops exist to sell guns, if guns are sold it equals more guns.

I will try to simplify.

You own 1 gun.

You go to the store and buy one more gun.

You now have 2 guns. 2 guns is more then 1 gun.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Well we need more gun controlDroidPhysX

Yeah, look at NYC and Chicago. It has worked really well for them:roll:

Also how could you say he just randomly show the weapons when he clearly was incredibly familiar with them? wolverine4262

[QUOTE="dave123321"]What is the next event going to be hart?MrPraline

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

lol yes your right, if the people killing people with guns had no guns the problems would not happen:roll:

tenaka2

Not sure if serious.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Yeah, look at NYC and Chicago. It has worked really well for them:roll:

fernandmondego_

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

lol is this a serious comment? Allowing people to buy a gun on every corner increases the amount of guns Wasdie.

tenaka2

Wasdie.. can you understand the concept of buy and sell? Gun shops exist to sell guns, if guns are sold it equals more guns.

I will try to simplify.

You own 1 gun.

You go to the store and buy one more gun.

You now have 2 guns. 2 guns is more then 1 gun.

But nobody here in this thread has talked about increasing the amount of guns. You keep talking out of your ass about things.

I understand that perfectly, but you busted into this thread with "Lies, only more guns can fix the gun problems, everyone going to hospital should be issued with guns on entrence, including the visitors, only in this way will the U.S. gun problem be controlled.", which nobody but you said and then you started arguing based upon your obviously sarcastic comment.

So you're being an idiot, twisting the topic, arguing against yourself because nobody actually said what you did.

You're really just arguing with yourself here becase NOBODY in this thread said that we need more guns to solve gun crime problems. Only you did sarcastically.

[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Hell if I know.

MrPraline

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Because only NYC and Chicago are the only indicators of gun control.Abbeten

Of course they are not, but there are a lot of people living in those cities. They give us a pretty decent idea of what does and doesn't work. Switzerland is another good example of how guns =/= violent crime.

Regardless, the 2nd Amendment is important. This government's recent propensity for tyrannical policies requires that the people stay armed. This is not the time to go all soft.

Even if their data is accurate, it misses the bigger point that most proponents of legal, privately-owned firearms are trying to make.. at least here in the US. The 2nd Amendment is paramount. I'd rather be killed in a random shooting by a fellow citizen then by a tyrannical government who can take advantage of an unarmed populous.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] The murderer on friday took the guns from his mother. no matter how much restrictions you want, nothing could have prevented this.mingmao3046

Not sure if serious.

Ok you are serious, what if gun laws existed that prevented his mother from owning guns?

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Because NYC and Chicago are the only indicators of gun control.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Because NYC and Chicago are the only indicators of gun control.

LJS9502_basic

Hilarious since it's the capitol:lol:

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Because NYC and Chicago are the only indicators of gun control.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Of course they are not, but there are a lot of people living in those cities. They give us a pretty decent idea of what does and doesn't work. Switzerland is another good example of how guns =/= violent crime.

Regardless, the 2nd Amendment is important. This government's recent propensity for tyrannical policies requires that the people stay armed. This is not the time to go all soft.

hartsickdiscipl

Even if their data is accurate, it misses the bigger point that most proponents of legal, privately-owned firearms are trying to make.. at least here in the US. The 2nd Amendment is paramount. I'd rather be killed in a random shooting by a fellow citizen then by a tyrannical government who can take advantage of an unarmed populous.

Ok you are serious, what if gun laws existed that prevented his mother from owning guns?tenaka2

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Not sure if serious.

tenaka2

Ok you are serious, what if gun laws existed that prevented his mother from owning guns?

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Also how could you say he just randomly show the weapons when he clearly was incredibly familiar with them? LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Not sure if serious.

tenaka2

Ok you are serious, what if gun laws existed that prevented his mother from owning guns?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]Also how could you say he just randomly show the weapons when he clearly was incredibly familiar with them? wolverine4262

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] Its common fact that he took the guns that his mother owned. mingmao3046

Ok you are serious, what if gun laws existed that prevented his mother from owning guns?

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Ok you are serious, what if gun laws existed that prevented his mother from owning guns?

Abbeten

Gun control will never be effective. We need more security, and armed guards/civilians with proper training.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] Its common fact that he took the guns that his mother owned. LJS9502_basic

Ok you are serious, what if gun laws existed that prevented his mother from owning guns?

Riiiggghttt assumptions.

What if the gun laws were strict enough that he couldn't buy guns off the black market?

At this point you sound like you support the illegal and legal sale of guns? Usually you support the law.

Pretty Foolish. These casese are beyond help from gun control. This is a social problem correlating with the mental health of this nation. The most medicated nation in the world where you must heavily medicate a child in order to coat the problem and not approach it rationally in the norm now a days. Conneticut enforces strict gun control, the original owner had her weapons stole, the school enforced more security with locked doors which clearly failed. Gun control doesn't necessarily work at all.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Ok you are serious, what if gun laws existed that prevented his mother from owning guns?

tenaka2

Riiiggghttt assumptions.

What if the gun laws were strict enough that he couldn't buy guns off the black market?

At this point you sound like you support the illegal and legal sale of guns? Usually you support the law.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Ok you are serious, what if gun laws existed that prevented his mother from owning guns?

tenaka2

Riiiggghttt assumptions.

What if the gun laws were strict enough that he couldn't buy guns off the black market?

At this point you sound like you support the illegal and legal sale of guns? Usually you support the law.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Ok you are serious, what if gun laws existed that prevented his mother from owning guns?

tenaka2

Riiiggghttt assumptions.

What if the gun laws were strict enough that he couldn't buy guns off the black market?

At this point you sound like you support the illegal and legal sale of guns? Usually you support the law.

Pretty Foolish. These casese are beyond help from gun control. This is a social problem correlating with the mental health of this nation. The most medicated nation in the world where you must heavily medicate a child in order to coat the problem and not approach it rationally in the norm now a days. Conneticut enforces strict gun control, the original owner had her weapons stole, the school enforced more security with locked doors which clearly failed. Gun control doesn't necessarily work at all.

Kamekazi_69

lol and if the women wasnt allowed guns? Of course gun control works, if you remove the guns people will not get shot, why so many people in the US refuse to acknowlege this is beyond me.

No guns = No mass shootings. Its simple logic.

Gun control will never be effective. We need more security, and armed guards/civilians with proper training.

Deadpool-n

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

Pretty Foolish. These casese are beyond help from gun control. This is a social problem correlating with the mental health of this nation. The most medicated nation in the world where you must heavily medicate a child in order to coat the problem and not approach it rationally in the norm now a days. Conneticut enforces strict gun control, the original owner had her weapons stole, the school enforced more security with locked doors which clearly failed. Gun control doesn't necessarily work at all.

tenaka2

lol and if the women wasnt allowed guns? Of course gun control works, if you remove the guns people will not get shot, why so many people in the US refuse to acknowlege this is beyond me.

No guns = No mass shootings. Its simple logic.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Of course they are not, but there are a lot of people living in those cities. They give us a pretty decent idea of what does and doesn't work. Switzerland is another good example of how guns =/= violent crime.

Regardless, the 2nd Amendment is important. This government's recent propensity for tyrannical policies requires that the people stay armed. This is not the time to go all soft.

hartsickdiscipl

Even if their data is accurate, it misses the bigger point that most proponents of legal, privately-owned firearms are trying to make.. at least here in the US. The 2nd Amendment is paramount. I'd rather be killed in a random shooting by a fellow citizen then by a tyrannical government who can take advantage of an unarmed populous.

I'm sure that Pistol and semi-automatic AK-47 will work wonders against Tanks, Helicopters, APC's, Humvees, Chain Guns, Rocket Launchers, Land-Mines, Morters, and troops with protective gear and years of training and combat experience.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Then I guess since he decided on a course of action he'd have bought guns off the black market.LJS9502_basic

Riiiggghttt assumptions.

What if the gun laws were strict enough that he couldn't buy guns off the black market?

At this point you sound like you support the illegal and legal sale of guns? Usually you support the law.

Really? I live in the UK, there is gun control here, I and the majority of the population would have no idea at all where to go to buy a gun, or to find this black market you speak of.

Gun control works, you can chose to pretend it doesnt but facts speak for themselves.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.htmlDarkGamer007

Even if their data is accurate, it misses the bigger point that most proponents of legal, privately-owned firearms are trying to make.. at least here in the US. The 2nd Amendment is paramount. I'd rather be killed in a random shooting by a fellow citizen then by a tyrannical government who can take advantage of an unarmed populous.

I'm sure that Pistol and semi-automatic AK-47 will work wonders against Tanks, Helicopters, APC's, Humvees, Chain Guns, Rocket Launchers, Land-Mines, Morters, and troops with protective gear and years of training and combat experience.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Riiiggghttt assumptions.

What if the gun laws were strict enough that he couldn't buy guns off the black market?

At this point you sound like you support the illegal and legal sale of guns? Usually you support the law.

tenaka2

Really? I live in the UK, there is gun control here, I and the majority of the population would have no idea at all where to go to buy a gun, or to find this black market you speak of.

Gun control works, you can chose to pretend it doesnt but facts speak for themselves.