Dem. lawmaker: To get gun control, Obama must exploit shooting

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#601 Evil_Saluki
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We don't get as many guns in the Uk but they might set off your fire alarm and then detonate a bomb on the assembly point.

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#603 no-scope-AK47
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YOU DONT NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF LET SOME BODY ELSE DO THAT

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#604 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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YOU DONT NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF LET SOME BODY ELSE DO THAT

no-scope-AK47

So the only thing that makes America diferent to Nazi Germany is gun ownership? Damn America sucks more than I thought.

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#605 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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YOU DONT NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF LET SOME BODY ELSE DO THAT

no-scope-AK47

LOL

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#606 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

YOU DONT NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF LET SOME BODY ELSE DO THAT

toast_burner

So the only thing that makes America diferent to Nazi Germany is gun ownership? Damn America sucks more than I thought.

yeah apparently limiting clip sizes and getting background checks equates to nazi germany
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#607 no-scope-AK47
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[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

YOU DONT NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF LET SOME BODY ELSE DO THAT

toast_burner

So the only thing that makes America diferent to Nazi Germany is gun ownership? Damn America sucks more than I thought.

Don't strain your brain if that is all you can think of the special education system is worse than I thought. :lol:

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#608 LostProphetFLCL
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[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

YOU DONT NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF LET SOME BODY ELSE DO THAT

Aljosa23

LOL

NOT GOING TO LIE, THATS THE KIND OF PARANOIA THAT MAKES CONSERVATIVES LOOK BAD!

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#609 Rich3232
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

YOU DONT NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF LET SOME BODY ELSE DO THAT

no-scope-AK47

So the only thing that makes America diferent to Nazi Germany is gun ownership? Damn America sucks more than I thought.

Don't strain your brain if that is all you can think of the special education system is worse than I thought. :lol:

You have got to be kidding me. You completely butcher your sentence and then dare to question the other guy's intelligence? I don't think you will ever realize just how fvcking stupid you are.
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#610 no-scope-AK47
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

YOU DONT NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF LET SOME BODY ELSE DO THAT

LostProphetFLCL

LOL

NOT GOING TO LIE, THATS THE KIND OF PARANOIA THAT MAKES CONSERVATIVES LOOK BAD!

All thru history I am sure people thought the same thing. That the government would never turn against them. They willing gave up the right to protect themselves as the govenment promised to do it. When they relised that all the freedoms they gave up left them open to abuse it was too late.

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#611 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]LOL

no-scope-AK47

NOT GOING TO LIE, THATS THE KIND OF PARANOIA THAT MAKES CONSERVATIVES LOOK BAD!

All thru history I am sure people thought the same thing. That the government would never turn against them. They willing gave up the right to protect themselves as the govenment promised to do it. When they relised that all the freedoms they gave up left them open to abuse it was too late.

Yeah The only thing stopping the government is a bunch of civilians with guns. Too bad they have drones that hail bombs for the sky.
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#612 Rich3232
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]LOL

no-scope-AK47

NOT GOING TO LIE, THATS THE KIND OF PARANOIA THAT MAKES CONSERVATIVES LOOK BAD!

All thru history I am sure people thought the same thing. That the government would never turn against them. They willing gave up the right to protect themselves as the govenment promised to do it. When they relised that all the freedoms they gave up left them open to abuse it was too late.

They also never had freedoms/rights in the first place. The whole concept of rights and freedoms just came about recently, relatively speaking.
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#613 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

YOU DONT NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF LET SOME BODY ELSE DO THAT

no-scope-AK47

So the only thing that makes America diferent to Nazi Germany is gun ownership? Damn America sucks more than I thought.

Don't strain your brain if that is all you can think of the special education system is worse than I thought. :lol:

Do I even need to point out the irony in what you just said?

By posting pictures of Nazi's rounding up Jews you are comparing America to Nazi Germany. If the only way you can defend guns is to compare your government to Nazis then maybe moving out of the country would be a better solution than getting a gun.

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#614 rastotm
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]LOL

no-scope-AK47

NOT GOING TO LIE, THATS THE KIND OF PARANOIA THAT MAKES CONSERVATIVES LOOK BAD!

All thru history I am sure people thought the same thing. That the government would never turn against them. They willing gave up the right to protect themselves as the govenment promised to do it. When they relised that all the freedoms they gave up left them open to abuse it was too late.

I should not start of with assuming that you are plain stupid, so I am inclined to ask. Do you live in a dimension where Montesquieu was never born?

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#615 alexside1
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[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]NOT GOING TO LIE, THATS THE KIND OF PARANOIA THAT MAKES CONSERVATIVES LOOK BAD!

DroidPhysX

All thru history I am sure people thought the same thing. That the government would never turn against them. They willing gave up the right to protect themselves as the govenment promised to do it. When they relised that all the freedoms they gave up left them open to abuse it was too late.

Yeah The only thing stopping the government is a bunch of civilians with guns. Too bad they have drones that hail bombs for the sky.

You act like that will auto-win the battle. If anything that will anger them and motivate them more.

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#616 alexside1
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[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]NOT GOING TO LIE, THATS THE KIND OF PARANOIA THAT MAKES CONSERVATIVES LOOK BAD!

Rich3232

All thru history I am sure people thought the same thing. That the government would never turn against them. They willing gave up the right to protect themselves as the govenment promised to do it. When they relised that all the freedoms they gave up left them open to abuse it was too late.

They also never had freedoms/rights in the first place. The whole concept of rights and freedoms just came about recently, relatively speaking.

Then move to a totalitarian dictator ship state and stay there.
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#617 Rich3232
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]All thru history I am sure people thought the same thing. That the government would never turn against them. They willing gave up the right to protect themselves as the govenment promised to do it. When they relised that all the freedoms they gave up left them open to abuse it was too late. alexside1
They also never had freedoms/rights in the first place. The whole concept of rights and freedoms just came about recently, relatively speaking.

Then move to a totalitarian dictator ship state and stay there.

wut? when have i even said or implied that this was wrong?
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#618 alexside1
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] They also never had freedoms/rights in the first place. The whole concept of rights and freedoms just came about recently, relatively speaking.

Then move to a totalitarian dictator ship state and stay there.

wut? when have i even said or implied that this was wrong?

So what are you trying to refute exactly?
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#619 Rich3232
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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="alexside1"] Then move to a totalitarian dictator ship state and stay there.

wut? when have i even said or implied that this was wrong?

So what are you trying to refute exactly?

that we can't compare apples and oranges.
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#620 alexside1
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[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] wut? when have i even said or implied that this was wrong?

So what are you trying to refute exactly?

that we can't compare apples and oranges.

Then say so in the first place, I can't detect sacrasim from a user who is new here.
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#621 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]All thru history I am sure people thought the same thing. That the government would never turn against them. They willing gave up the right to protect themselves as the govenment promised to do it. When they relised that all the freedoms they gave up left them open to abuse it was too late.

alexside1

Yeah The only thing stopping the government is a bunch of civilians with guns. Too bad they have drones that hail bombs for the sky.

You act like that will auto-win the battle. If anything that will anger them and motivate them more.

If there's one thing I can count on. It's the American population being lazy and content. See: 2012 election
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[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Yeah The only thing stopping the government is a bunch of civilians with guns. Too bad they have drones that hail bombs for the sky.DroidPhysX

You act like that will auto-win the battle. If anything that will anger them and motivate them more.

If there's one thing I can count on. It's the American population being lazy and content. See: 2012 election

That or patriotic fervor. See: War on Terror, Patriot Act.

Our rights have been limited, taxpayer money has been severely mispent, and many policies have even intruded on our rights.

You can't have a country where all rights are suppressed but gun ownership isn't. But you can have a country where there aren't so many rules and regulations and where rights are respected and reasonably limited. There's nothing wrong with government. As Washington said, government is like fire. It's both good and bad but necessary.

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#623 no-scope-AK47
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[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]NOT GOING TO LIE, THATS THE KIND OF PARANOIA THAT MAKES CONSERVATIVES LOOK BAD!

DroidPhysX

All thru history I am sure people thought the same thing. That the government would never turn against them. They willing gave up the right to protect themselves as the govenment promised to do it. When they relised that all the freedoms they gave up left them open to abuse it was too late.

Yeah The only thing stopping the government is a bunch of civilians with guns. Too bad they have drones that hail bombs for the sky.

Meaning what that the drones are going to kill all the gun owners ??

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This is sad.
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#625 Palantas
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You calling these weapons by a different name doesn't change the weapons I'm talking about. I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp.

-Sun_Tzu-

When you use meaningless marketing terms, it suggests you don't know what you're talking about, and therefore it is impossible to grasp your meaning. Use the correct language.

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#626 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

You calling these weapons by a different name doesn't change the weapons I'm talking about. I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp.

Palantas

When you use meaningless marketing terms, it suggests you don't know what you're talking about, and therefore it is impossible to grasp your meaning. Use the correct language.

Did you not grasp what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?

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#627 no-scope-AK47
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[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

You calling these weapons by a different name doesn't change the weapons I'm talking about. I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp.

-Sun_Tzu-

When you use meaningless marketing terms, it suggests you don't know what you're talking about, and therefore it is impossible to grasp your meaning. Use the correct language.

Did you not grasp what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?

If I call a bmw 320i a m3 for example would think I knew anything about bmw's??

That is how I feel when I hear people calling semi-auto ar-15's assualt weapons. Even a novice should be able to tell that an assault weapon fires multiple rounds with one trigger pull.

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#628 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

When you use meaningless marketing terms, it suggests you don't know what you're talking about, and therefore it is impossible to grasp your meaning. Use the correct language.

no-scope-AK47

Did you not grasp what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?

If I call a bmw 320i a m3 for example would think I knew anything about bmw's??

That is how I feel when I hear people calling semi-auto ar-15's assualt weapons. Even a novice should be able to tell that an assault weapon fires multiple rounds with one trigger pull.

Did you not know what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?
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Did you not grasp what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?-Sun_Tzu-
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Did you not know what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?

You seem a bit stuck on that sentence.....perhaps you should clarify for them.
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[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Did you not grasp what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?

-Sun_Tzu-

If I call a bmw 320i a m3 for example would think I knew anything about bmw's??

That is how I feel when I hear people calling semi-auto ar-15's assualt weapons. Even a novice should be able to tell that an assault weapon fires multiple rounds with one trigger pull.

Did you not know what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?

You're missing the point, yet again.

They have no idea what you mean when you say "assault weapon". For many people, this term implies that it's a fully automatic weapon. Many people use the term to make the weapon sound much more deadly than it actually is, as if it's a rambo-like machine gun that shoots rounds the size of baseballs. In reality, it's a semi-automatic weapon, just like your standard pistol, which most commonly fires a .22 (something that you'd hunt, say, a rabbit with). Just because you use the term and assign it to something like an AR-15, doesn't mean you know anything about the AR-15 other than what it looks like.

Just because I know what a Ferrari 438 Italia is doesn't mean I know anything meaningful about it.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]If I call a bmw 320i a m3 for example would think I knew anything about bmw's??

That is how I feel when I hear people calling semi-auto ar-15's assualt weapons. Even a novice should be able to tell that an assault weapon fires multiple rounds with one trigger pull.

SpartanMSU

Did you not know what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?

You're missing the point, yet again.

They have no idea what you mean when you say "assault weapon". For many people, this term implies that it's a fully automatic weapon. Many people use the term to make the weapon sound much more deadly than it actually is, as if it's a rambo-like machine gun that shoots rounds the size of baseballs. In reality, it's a semi-automatic weapon, just like your standard pistol, which most commonly fires a .22 (something that you'd hunt, say, a rabbit with). Just because you use the term and assign it to something like an AR-15, doesn't mean you know anything about the AR-15 other than what it looks like.

Just because I know what a Ferrari 438 Italia is doesn't mean I know anything meaningful about it.

I know exactly what I mean when I say assault weapon - it's a vague term that applies to a wide range of firearms, and in this case I've used the term to refer specifically to the bushmaster rifle that Adam Lanza used. Moreover, an in-depth knowledge of the intricacies of firearms isn't really necessary for the argument I've been making throughout this thread - it's much more rooted in psychology and economics - I could've easily just been referred to the rifle used as a widget and that wouldn't have altered the crux of my argument in any way.

My argument in its most general form is that it's very difficult for people as socially alienated as Adam Lanza was to get their hands on black market widgets. What these widgets actually are doesn't really matter.

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#632 Palantas
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Did you not grasp what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?

-Sun_Tzu-

I'm not a part of that exchange, so my interpretation is irrelevant. I'm simply telling you that you if you want to talk about firearms with people who are knowledgeable on the subject, don't use the term "assault weapon."

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#633 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

Did you not grasp what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?

Palantas

I'm not a part of that exchange, so my interpretation is irrelevant. I'm simply telling you that you if you want to talk about firearms with people who are knowledgeable on the subject, don't use the term "assault weapon."

I'll just call them wildlife cultivation machines instead.
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#634 Palantas
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Try "tactical rifle." That will probably cover what you're talking about.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]If I call a bmw 320i a m3 for example would think I knew anything about bmw's??

That is how I feel when I hear people calling semi-auto ar-15's assualt weapons. Even a novice should be able to tell that an assault weapon fires multiple rounds with one trigger pull.

SpartanMSU

Did you not know what gun I was talking about when I referred to it as an assault weapon?

You're missing the point, yet again.

They have no idea what you mean when you say "assault weapon". For many people, this term implies that it's a fully automatic weapon. Many people use the term to make the weapon sound much more deadly than it actually is, as if it's a rambo-like machine gun that shoots rounds the size of baseballs. In reality, it's a semi-automatic weapon, just like your standard pistol, which most commonly fires a .22 (something that you'd hunt, say, a rabbit with). Just because you use the term and assign it to something like an AR-15, doesn't mean you know anything about the AR-15 other than what it looks like.

Just because I know what a Ferrari 438 Italia is doesn't mean I know anything meaningful about it.

It's a 458 foo'.