School kids should be able to defend themselves. I say make it a requirement that all kids in school zones have to carry a gat at all times.
This wouldn't have happened if all the kids had guns.
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You didn't answer the question. I did answer or did you miss the part where I commented on unsecured weapons. Clearly His mother could have afforded to buy a safe or she left it unlockd. She had to know her son was mentally unstable yet the weapons were not secure. The ammo was also unsecure his mother was at fault for her own and the other deaths IMO. "How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]I wish people would stop calling semi auto only weapons assault weapons. Any way firearms should be locked in a safe. It makes no sense to spend over 2k in weapons and you leave them in a unsecure location with ammo. At least buy a couple master trigger locks hide the weapons and lock the ammo up.
no-scope-AK47
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
I did answer or did you miss the part where I commented on unsecured weapons. Clearly His mother could have afforded to buy a safe or she left it unlockd. She had to know her son was mentally unstable yet the weapons were not secure. The ammo was also unsecure his mother was at fault for her own and the other deaths IMO. "How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You didn't answer the question. -Sun_Tzu-
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
Not an assault rifle. I'm starting to sound like a broken record.
"How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]I did answer or did you miss the part where I commented on unsecured weapons. Clearly His mother could have afforded to buy a safe or she left it unlockd. She had to know her son was mentally unstable yet the weapons were not secure. The ammo was also unsecure his mother was at fault for her own and the other deaths IMO.
Ingenemployee
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
Not an assault rifle. I'm starting to sound like a broken record.
How you classify the weapon he used entirely misses the point of the question being asked.
"How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]I did answer or did you miss the part where I commented on unsecured weapons. Clearly His mother could have afforded to buy a safe or she left it unlockd. She had to know her son was mentally unstable yet the weapons were not secure. The ammo was also unsecure his mother was at fault for her own and the other deaths IMO.
-Sun_Tzu-
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
Assault rifles fire rounds automatically and unless someone wants to pay out the wazoo and fill out miles of red tape just to be able to apply to own one, the only ones who can have them are LEO and military. Seeing as the shooters Mom was neither and probably couldn't afford to pay all that money to afford such an expensive weapon, it is highly doubtful that it is what was used.
The kid may have used something that looks like one, but it wasn't.
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] "How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
-Sun_Tzu-
Not an assault rifle. I'm starting to sound like a broken record.
How you classify the weapon he used entirely misses the point of the question being asked.No, you are asking about banning assault rifles which are already difficult for the average American to own. As that is the case, what was used is already pretty much banned so a ban wouldn't have helped.
"How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]I did answer or did you miss the part where I commented on unsecured weapons. Clearly His mother could have afforded to buy a safe or she left it unlockd. She had to know her son was mentally unstable yet the weapons were not secure. The ammo was also unsecure his mother was at fault for her own and the other deaths IMO.
WhiteKnight77
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
Assault rifles fire rounds automatically and unless someone wants to pay out the wazoo and fill out miles of red tape just to be able to apply to own one, the only ones who can have them are LEO and military. Seeing as the shooters Mom was neither and probably couldn't afford to pay all that money to afford such an expensive weapon, it is highly doubtful that it is what was used.
The kid may have used something that looks like one, but it wasn't.
The semantics are irrelevant, the question I'm asking is that if the gun Adam Lanza used were illegal to obtain how would he be able to get his hands on one."How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]
I did answer or did you miss the part where I commented on unsecured weapons. Clearly His mother could have afforded to buy a safe or she left it unlockd. She had to know her son was mentally unstable yet the weapons were not secure. The ammo was also unsecure his mother was at fault for her own and the other deaths IMO.
Ingenemployee
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
Not an assault rifle. I'm starting to sound like a broken record.
It's not clicking in his mind that assault rifles can fire rounds automatically and therefore, really difficult for the average American to own, unless they can jump through all the hoops and have the money that the ATF wants to apply for the ability to own one. He doesn't realize that the BAFT issues the license for you to own such a weapon and there are not that many around.
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] "How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
-Sun_Tzu-
Assault rifles fire rounds automatically and unless someone wants to pay out the wazoo and fill out miles of red tape just to be able to apply to own one, the only ones who can have them are LEO and military. Seeing as the shooters Mom was neither and probably couldn't afford to pay all that money to afford such an expensive weapon, it is highly doubtful that it is what was used.
The kid may have used something that looks like one, but it wasn't.
The semantics are irrelevant, the question I'm asking is that if the gun Adam Lanza used were illegal to obtain how would he be able to get his hands on one.His mother was a gun enthusiast, she would have probably owned an alternative semi auto rifle like a Ruger Mini 14 if AR-15's where banned.
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] "How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
WhiteKnight77
Not an assault rifle. I'm starting to sound like a broken record.
It's not clicking in his mind that assault rifles can fire rounds automatically and therefore, really difficult for the average American to own, unless they can jump through all the hoops and have the money that the ATF wants to apply for the ability to own one. He doesn't realize that the BAFT issues the license for you to own such a weapon and there are not that many around.
Again, this is completely irrelevant to the question I'm asking.[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] "How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
-Sun_Tzu-
Assault rifles fire rounds automatically and unless someone wants to pay out the wazoo and fill out miles of red tape just to be able to apply to own one, the only ones who can have them are LEO and military. Seeing as the shooters Mom was neither and probably couldn't afford to pay all that money to afford such an expensive weapon, it is highly doubtful that it is what was used.
The kid may have used something that looks like one, but it wasn't.
The semantics are irrelevant, the question I'm asking is that if the gun Adam Lanza used were illegal to obtain how would he be able to get his hands on one.Actually, semantics does matter as an assault rifle is completely different than a weapon that fires semi-automatically. He had to pull the trigger each time to fire a round. An assault rifle can fire in semi auto mode or in automatic or burst (3 rounds at a time). Therein lies the difference and why using the correct terms paramount.
If there was a gun ban of any sort, he might not have killed 26 people, but he was going to kill someone no matter what and it would have been more than one and more violent in the way it would transpire. The kid needed mental help period.
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
Not an assault rifle. I'm starting to sound like a broken record.
-Sun_Tzu-
It's not clicking in his mind that assault rifles can fire rounds automatically and therefore, really difficult for the average American to own, unless they can jump through all the hoops and have the money that the ATF wants to apply for the ability to own one. He doesn't realize that the BAFT issues the license for you to own such a weapon and there are not that many around.
Again, this is completely irrelevant to the question I'm asking.Then ask about why there wasn't a gun ban instead of an assault rifle ban. The again, the kid was going to kill no matter what implement he intended on using.
Again, this is completely irrelevant to the question I'm asking.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
It's not clicking in his mind that assault rifles can fire rounds automatically and therefore, really difficult for the average American to own, unless they can jump through all the hoops and have the money that the ATF wants to apply for the ability to own one. He doesn't realize that the BAFT issues the license for you to own such a weapon and there are not that many around.
WhiteKnight77
Then ask about why there wasn't a gun ban instead of an assault rifle ban. The again, the kid was going to kill no matter what implement he intended on using.
Imagine the damage this guy could have done with a few molotovs.
How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place? He had trouble even leaving the basement, let alone leaving the house. -Sun_Tzu-
By stealing it from their mother. :roll:
The semantics are irrelevant, the question I'm asking is that if the gun Adam Lanza used were illegal to obtain how would he be able to get his hands on one.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
Assault rifles fire rounds automatically and unless someone wants to pay out the wazoo and fill out miles of red tape just to be able to apply to own one, the only ones who can have them are LEO and military. Seeing as the shooters Mom was neither and probably couldn't afford to pay all that money to afford such an expensive weapon, it is highly doubtful that it is what was used.
The kid may have used something that looks like one, but it wasn't.
Ingenemployee
His mother was a gun enthusiest, she would have probably owned an alterative semi auto rifle like a Ruger Mini 14 if AR-15's where banned.
I see no reason for banning the M4 carbine while keeping comparable guns on the market, so lets assume the Ruger Mini 14 is banned as well. What then is someone like Adam Lanza to do?I'm not suggesting that an assault weapon (Whiteknight I know you are a stickler for definitions, notice I used "weapon" instead of "rifle" this time) ban is a solution to all gun violence in this country, but looking at this specific issue of mass shootings like what happened in Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, Columbine ect, and the pattern that emerges from the profiles of the people who are responsible for these types of shootings - people who demonstrate asocial behavior and appear to fall somewhere on the autism spectrum - how are these types of people suppose to acquire the weapons that allow them to inflict the carnage that they are able to inflict if it were illegal to obtain these guns on the open market.
It's one thing to speak in general terms about a prohibition on these weapons, because of course criminals in general will still be able to get these weapons regardless, but those criminals aren't the ones shooting up schools and movie theaters.
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The semantics are irrelevant, the question I'm asking is that if the gun Adam Lanza used were illegal to obtain how would he be able to get his hands on one. -Sun_Tzu-
His mother was a gun enthusiest, she would have probably owned an alterative semi auto rifle like a Ruger Mini 14 if AR-15's where banned.
I see no reason for banning the M4 carbine while keeping comparable guns on the market, so lets assume the Ruger Mini 14 is banned as well. What then is someone like Adam Lanza to do?I'm not suggesting that an assault weapon (Whiteknight I know you are a stickler for definitions, notice I used "weapon" instead of "rifle" this time) ban is a solution to all gun violence in this country, but looking at this specific issue of mass shootings like what happened in Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, Columbine ect, and the pattern that emerges from the profiles of the people who are responsible for these types of shootings - people who demonstrate asocial behavior and appear to fall somewhere on the autism spectrum - how are these types of people suppose to acquire the weapons that allow them to inflict the carnage that they are able to inflict if it were illegal to obtain these guns on the open market.
It's one thing to speak in general terms about a prohibition on these weapons, because of course criminals in general will still be able to get these weapons regardless, but those criminals aren't the ones shooting up schools and movie theaters.
There would have to be a complete ban on semi auto rifles if we are talking comparable guns.
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The semantics are irrelevant, the question I'm asking is that if the gun Adam Lanza used were illegal to obtain how would he be able to get his hands on one. -Sun_Tzu-
His mother was a gun enthusiest, she would have probably owned an alterative semi auto rifle like a Ruger Mini 14 if AR-15's where banned.
I see no reason for banning the M4 carbine while keeping comparable guns on the market, so lets assume the Ruger Mini 14 is banned as well. What then is someone like Adam Lanza to do?I'm not suggesting that an assault weapon (Whiteknight I know you are a stickler for definitions, notice I used "weapon" instead of "rifle" this time) ban is a solution to all gun violence in this country, but looking at this specific issue of mass shootings like what happened in Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, Columbine ect, and the pattern that emerges from the profiles of the people who are responsible for these types of shootings - people who demonstrate asocial behavior and appear to fall somewhere on the autism spectrum - how are these types of people suppose to acquire the weapons that allow them to inflict the carnage that they are able to inflict if it were illegal to obtain these guns on the open market.
It's one thing to speak in general terms about a prohibition on these weapons, because of course criminals in general will still be able to get these weapons regardless, but those criminals aren't the ones shooting up schools and movie theaters.
Thousands of those firearms are already in private hands. Look around on the internet or go to a local gun shop. AR-15s and other alternatives have flown off the shelves. People are buying them up because they are anticipatingthe upcoming debate in congress. You'd have to make the law retroactive which would prove to be quite difficult. The legal hurdles involved with that would ultimately go all the way up to the supreme court. The supreme court has been leaning much more to the right on gun control issues.
Thousands of AR-15s will flood into the used market in the months after the ban. It will cost a little bit more to get them,but they will be accessable irregardless of any bans since the ban won't be retroactive anyway.
I see no reason for banning the M4 carbine while keeping comparable guns on the market, so lets assume the Ruger Mini 14 is banned as well. What then is someone like Adam Lanza to do?[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
His mother was a gun enthusiest, she would have probably owned an alterative semi auto rifle like a Ruger Mini 14 if AR-15's where banned.
Ingenemployee
I'm not suggesting that an assault weapon (Whiteknight I know you are a stickler for definitions, notice I used "weapon" instead of "rifle" this time) ban is a solution to all gun violence in this country, but looking at this specific issue of mass shootings like what happened in Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, Columbine ect, and the pattern that emerges from the profiles of the people who are responsible for these types of shootings - people who demonstrate asocial behavior and appear to fall somewhere on the autism spectrum - how are these types of people suppose to acquire the weapons that allow them to inflict the carnage that they are able to inflict if it were illegal to obtain these guns on the open market.
It's one thing to speak in general terms about a prohibition on these weapons, because of course criminals in general will still be able to get these weapons regardless, but those criminals aren't the ones shooting up schools and movie theaters.
There would have to be a complete ban on semi auto rifles if we are talking comparable guns.
Maybe, maybe not - there are various ways to go about making the guns available on the open market less efficient (for lack of a better term) at mass murder besides just outright banning the sale of certain weapons - but before getting into the logistics and specifics of this hypothetical ban what I'm trying to figure out is if this hypothetical ban (through some unspecified means at the moment) were in place that makes it illegal to obtain the type of weapon necessary to commit these mass shootings would they still be able to get their hands on these weapons on the black market; in other words would this ideal weapons ban achieve the desired outcome and would it be worth the effort to get into the specifics behind said ban. The way I see it the answer would be yes.
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The semantics are irrelevant, the question I'm asking is that if the gun Adam Lanza used were illegal to obtain how would he be able to get his hands on one. -Sun_Tzu-
His mother was a gun enthusiest, she would have probably owned an alterative semi auto rifle like a Ruger Mini 14 if AR-15's where banned.
I see no reason for banning the M4 carbine while keeping comparable guns on the market, so lets assume the Ruger Mini 14 is banned as well. What then is someone like Adam Lanza to do?I'm not suggesting that an assault weapon (Whiteknight I know you are a stickler for definitions, notice I used "weapon" instead of "rifle" this time) ban is a solution to all gun violence in this country, but looking at this specific issue of mass shootings like what happened in Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, Columbine ect, and the pattern that emerges from the profiles of the people who are responsible for these types of shootings - people who demonstrate asocial behavior and appear to fall somewhere on the autism spectrum - how are these types of people suppose to acquire the weapons that allow them to inflict the carnage that they are able to inflict if it were illegal to obtain these guns on the open market.
It's one thing to speak in general terms about a prohibition on these weapons, because of course criminals in general will still be able to get these weapons regardless, but those criminals aren't the ones shooting up schools and movie theaters.
The fact of the matter here is that the overwhelming amount of people with mental disorders, don't go out on shooting sprees. These shooting sprees are anomalies. By definition, preparing for something that cannot be predicted is impossible.
I see no reason for banning the M4 carbine while keeping comparable guns on the market, so lets assume the Ruger Mini 14 is banned as well. What then is someone like Adam Lanza to do?[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
His mother was a gun enthusiest, she would have probably owned an alterative semi auto rifle like a Ruger Mini 14 if AR-15's where banned.
UnknownSniper65
I'm not suggesting that an assault weapon (Whiteknight I know you are a stickler for definitions, notice I used "weapon" instead of "rifle" this time) ban is a solution to all gun violence in this country, but looking at this specific issue of mass shootings like what happened in Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, Columbine ect, and the pattern that emerges from the profiles of the people who are responsible for these types of shootings - people who demonstrate asocial behavior and appear to fall somewhere on the autism spectrum - how are these types of people suppose to acquire the weapons that allow them to inflict the carnage that they are able to inflict if it were illegal to obtain these guns on the open market.
It's one thing to speak in general terms about a prohibition on these weapons, because of course criminals in general will still be able to get these weapons regardless, but those criminals aren't the ones shooting up schools and movie theaters.
Thousands of those firearms are already in private hands. Look around on the internet or go to a local gun shop. AR-15s and other alternatives have flown off the shelves. People are buying them up because they are anticipatingthe upcoming debate in congress. You'd have to make the law retroactive which would prove to be quite difficult. The legal hurdles involved with that would ultimately go all the way up to the supreme court. The supreme court has been leaning much more to the right on gun control issues.
Thousands of AR-15s will flood into the used market in the months after the ban. It will cost a little bit more to get them,but they will be accessable irregardless of any bans since the ban won't be retroactive anyway.
There's no grandfather clause in my hypothetical. I'll dig up Charleston Heston's grave and take the guns from his cold dead hands if I have to.I'm not concerned about the politics surrounding this issue at the moment, all I really care about right now is what would be the most effective policy on its own merits.
I see no reason for banning the M4 carbine while keeping comparable guns on the market, so lets assume the Ruger Mini 14 is banned as well. What then is someone like Adam Lanza to do?[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
His mother was a gun enthusiest, she would have probably owned an alterative semi auto rifle like a Ruger Mini 14 if AR-15's where banned.
DJ419
I'm not suggesting that an assault weapon (Whiteknight I know you are a stickler for definitions, notice I used "weapon" instead of "rifle" this time) ban is a solution to all gun violence in this country, but looking at this specific issue of mass shootings like what happened in Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, Columbine ect, and the pattern that emerges from the profiles of the people who are responsible for these types of shootings - people who demonstrate asocial behavior and appear to fall somewhere on the autism spectrum - how are these types of people suppose to acquire the weapons that allow them to inflict the carnage that they are able to inflict if it were illegal to obtain these guns on the open market.
It's one thing to speak in general terms about a prohibition on these weapons, because of course criminals in general will still be able to get these weapons regardless, but those criminals aren't the ones shooting up schools and movie theaters.
The fact of the matter here is that the overwhelming amount of people with mental disorders, don't go out on shooting sprees. These shooting sprees are anomalies. By definition, preparing for something that cannot be predicted is impossible.
Why does the rarity of these shootings matter? And of course you can prepare for something that occurs (seemingly) spontaneously. It's ridiculous to say otherwise.[QUOTE="DJ419"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I see no reason for banning the M4 carbine while keeping comparable guns on the market, so lets assume the Ruger Mini 14 is banned as well. What then is someone like Adam Lanza to do?
I'm not suggesting that an assault weapon (Whiteknight I know you are a stickler for definitions, notice I used "weapon" instead of "rifle" this time) ban is a solution to all gun violence in this country, but looking at this specific issue of mass shootings like what happened in Newtown, Aurora, Tucson, Columbine ect, and the pattern that emerges from the profiles of the people who are responsible for these types of shootings - people who demonstrate asocial behavior and appear to fall somewhere on the autism spectrum - how are these types of people suppose to acquire the weapons that allow them to inflict the carnage that they are able to inflict if it were illegal to obtain these guns on the open market.
It's one thing to speak in general terms about a prohibition on these weapons, because of course criminals in general will still be able to get these weapons regardless, but those criminals aren't the ones shooting up schools and movie theaters.
-Sun_Tzu-
The fact of the matter here is that the overwhelming amount of people with mental disorders, don't go out on shooting sprees. These shooting sprees are anomalies. By definition, preparing for something that cannot be predicted is impossible.
Why does the rarity of these shootings matter? And of course you can prepare for something that occurs (seemingly) spontaneously. It's ridiculous to say otherwise.What matters here is that these shooting sprees will never stop regardless of any legislation preventing the lawful sale of firearms. So long as guns exist, there will be a person who will use them to murder. Implementing gun control that will only ostricize millions of law abiding Americans as the result of rare occurence is wrong.
If what you are saying is true tell me then how someone like Adam Lanza would be able to acquire the means necessary to murder as many people as he did if he had to acquire these means illegally.What matters here is that these shooting sprees will never stop regardless of any legislation preventing the lawful sale of firearms. So long as guns exist, there will be a person who will use them to murder.
DJ419
Why does the rarity of these shootings matter? And of course you can prepare for something that occurs (seemingly) spontaneously. It's ridiculous to say otherwise.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DJ419"]
The fact of the matter here is that the overwhelming amount of people with mental disorders, don't go out on shooting sprees. These shooting sprees are anomalies. By definition, preparing for something that cannot be predicted is impossible.
DJ419
What matters here is that these shooting sprees will never stop regardless of any legislation preventing the lawful sale of firearms. So long as guns exist, there will be a person who will use them to murder. Implementing gun control that will only ostricize millions of law abiding Americans as the result of rare occurence is wrong.
If it is a "rare" occurrence, then how would it ostracize millions by having gun control?If what you are saying is true tell me then how someone like Adam Lanza would be able to acquire the means necessary to murder as many people as he did if he had to acquire these means illegally.[QUOTE="DJ419"]
What matters here is that these shooting sprees will never stop regardless of any legislation preventing the lawful sale of firearms. So long as guns exist, there will be a person who will use them to murder.
-Sun_Tzu-
He didn't aquire the weapons he used legally, he stole them from his mother. In fact, he broke 41 laws before he fired a shot in that school under Connecticut laws.
[QUOTE="DJ419"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Why does the rarity of these shootings matter? And of course you can prepare for something that occurs (seemingly) spontaneously. It's ridiculous to say otherwise. champion837
What matters here is that these shooting sprees will never stop regardless of any legislation preventing the lawful sale of firearms. So long as guns exist, there will be a person who will use them to murder. Implementing gun control that will only ostricize millions of law abiding Americans as the result of rare occurence is wrong.
If it is a "rare" occurrence, then how would it ostracize millions by having gun control?Because gun control takes away a choice of millions of Americans who choose to own guns for any lawful purpose.
If what you are saying is true tell me then how someone like Adam Lanza would be able to acquire the means necessary to murder as many people as he did if he had to acquire these means illegally.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="DJ419"]
What matters here is that these shooting sprees will never stop regardless of any legislation preventing the lawful sale of firearms. So long as guns exist, there will be a person who will use them to murder.
DJ419
He didn't aquire the weapons he used legally, he stole them from his mother. In fact, he broke 41 laws before he fired a shot in that school under Connecticut laws.
I don't know why it's been so hard for people in this thread continue to get caught up in these semantics and technicalities. Yes, in a strict literal sense he obtained these guns illegally, but that ignores the fact that there were legally acquired guns that were easily accessible to him in his house that would've otherwise not been there had they been illegal to purchase on the open market in the first place, which is the essence of the question I'm asking.[QUOTE="DJ419"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] If what you are saying is true tell me then how someone like Adam Lanza would be able to acquire the means necessary to murder as many people as he did if he had to acquire these means illegally.
-Sun_Tzu-
He didn't aquire the weapons he used legally, he stole them from his mother. In fact, he broke 41 laws before he fired a shot in that school under Connecticut laws.
I don't know why it's been so hard for people in this thread continue to get caught up in these semantics and technicalities. Yes, in a strict literal sense he obtained these guns illegally, but that ignores the fact that there were legally acquired guns that were easily accessible to him in his house that would've otherwise not been there had they been illegal to purchase on the open market in the first place, which is the essence of the question I'm asking.He could have obtained them the same way any criminal obtains illegal items. By buying them from other criminals.
I don't know why it's been so hard for people in this thread continue to get caught up in these semantics and technicalities. Yes, in a strict literal sense he obtained these guns illegally, but that ignores the fact that there were legally acquired guns that were easily accessible to him in his house that would've otherwise not been there had they been illegal to purchase on the open market in the first place, which is the essence of the question I'm asking.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DJ419"]
He didn't aquire the weapons he used legally, he stole them from his mother. In fact, he broke 41 laws before he fired a shot in that school under Connecticut laws.
DJ419
He could have obtained them the same way any criminal obtains illegal items. By buying them from other criminals.
So you're telling me that I'm to believe that a kid with no source of income, who has the social skills of a pet rock and who has trouble leaving his basement, let alone his own house is capable of acquiring the guns he used on the black market?[QUOTE="DJ419"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I don't know why it's been so hard for people in this thread continue to get caught up in these semantics and technicalities. Yes, in a strict literal sense he obtained these guns illegally, but that ignores the fact that there were legally acquired guns that were easily accessible to him in his house that would've otherwise not been there had they been illegal to purchase on the open market in the first place, which is the essence of the question I'm asking. -Sun_Tzu-
He could have obtained them the same way any criminal obtains illegal items. By buying them from other criminals.
So you're telling me that I'm to believe that a kid with no source of income, who has the social skills of a pet rock and who has trouble leaving his basement, let alone his own house is capable of acquiring the guns he used on the black market?I'm not going to comment on a hypothetical. What I will say is, if the motivation is there. It will find a way.
So you're telling me that I'm to believe that a kid with no source of income, who has the social skills of a pet rock and who has trouble leaving his basement, let alone his own house is capable of acquiring the guns he used on the black market?[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DJ419"]
He could have obtained them the same way any criminal obtains illegal items. By buying them from other criminals.
DJ419
I'm not going to comment on a hypothetical. What I will say is, if the motivation is there. It will find a way.
You're not going to comment on your own hypothetical scenario that you yourself brought up?
[QUOTE="DJ419"]
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] So you're telling me that I'm to believe that a kid with no source of income, who has the social skills of a pet rock and who has trouble leaving his basement, let alone his own house is capable of acquiring the guns he used on the black market? -Sun_Tzu-
I'm not going to comment on a hypothetical. What I will say is, if the motivation is there. It will find a way.
You're not going to comment on your own hypothetical scenario that you yourself brought up?
You were the first to ask what if.
I did answer or did you miss the part where I commented on unsecured weapons. Clearly His mother could have afforded to buy a safe or she left it unlockd. She had to know her son was mentally unstable yet the weapons were not secure. The ammo was also unsecure his mother was at fault for her own and the other deaths IMO. "How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] You didn't answer the question. -Sun_Tzu-
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
Were you dropped on your head as a child. Do you think that making anything illegal removes the possibility of it being done??Ok the speed limit is 45mph and is clearly stated on the side of the road. I guess in your mind it would be impossible for anybody to go 55mph LMFAO. Aso stop saying he used an assault weapon if you don't know what it is. He stole a semi auto from his mother and then killed her before going on the rampage. The question has been answered already but you clearly did not like the reality.
"How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]I did answer or did you miss the part where I commented on unsecured weapons. Clearly His mother could have afforded to buy a safe or she left it unlockd. She had to know her son was mentally unstable yet the weapons were not secure. The ammo was also unsecure his mother was at fault for her own and the other deaths IMO.
no-scope-AK47
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
Were you dropped on your head as a child. Do you think that making anything illegal removes the possibility of it being done??Ok the speed limit is 45mph and is clearly stated on the side of the road. I guess in your mind it would be impossible for anybody to go 55mph LMFAO. Aso stop saying he used an assault weapon if you don't know what it is. He stole a semi auto from his mother and then killed her before going on the rampage. The question has been answered already but you clearly did not like the reality.
Explain to me then how someone with Adam Lanza's mental state and social skills acquires the weapons necessary for the destruction he caused on the black market. What I'm asking isn't that complicated.[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]Were you dropped on your head as a child. Do you think that making anything illegal removes the possibility of it being done??[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] "How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"
What you replied with is not an answer to that question.
-Sun_Tzu-
Ok the speed limit is 45mph and is clearly stated on the side of the road. I guess in your mind it would be impossible for anybody to go 55mph LMFAO. Aso stop saying he used an assault weapon if you don't know what it is. He stole a semi auto from his mother and then killed her before going on the rampage. The question has been answered already but you clearly did not like the reality.
Explain to me then how someone with Adam Lanza's mental state and social skills acquires the weapons necessary for the destruction he caused on the black market. What I'm asking isn't that complicated. First off the weapons he used were legal but stolen from his mother. Also he came from money and you can get what you want if you have the cash. If I was say a drug addict and had money I would be able to get illegal drugs with ease. You want me to draw you a picture here or are you going to stop acting dumb.Explain to me then how someone with Adam Lanza's mental state and social skills acquires the weapons necessary for the destruction he caused on the black market. What I'm asking isn't that complicated. First off the weapons he used were legal but stolen from his mother. Also he came from money and you can get what you want if you have the cash. If I was say a drug addict and had money I would be able to get illegal drugs with ease. You want me to draw you a picture here or are you going to stop acting dumb. I think Sun Tzu made a pretty good point. You are not going to get illegal guns on the black market with sh*t social skills and social anxiety.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]Were you dropped on your head as a child. Do you think that making anything illegal removes the possibility of it being done??
Ok the speed limit is 45mph and is clearly stated on the side of the road. I guess in your mind it would be impossible for anybody to go 55mph LMFAO. Aso stop saying he used an assault weapon if you don't know what it is. He stole a semi auto from his mother and then killed her before going on the rampage. The question has been answered already but you clearly did not like the reality.
no-scope-AK47
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]First off the weapons he used were legal but stolen from his mother. Also he came from money and you can get what you want if you have the cash. If I was say a drug addict and had money I would be able to get illegal drugs with ease. You want me to draw you a picture here or are you going to stop acting dumb. I think Sun Tzu made a pretty good point. You are not going to get illegal guns on the black market with sh*t social skills and social anxiety. So you need to mentally stable, with good social skills to engage in illegal activities now?? Wow how old are you guys that your so naive??[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Explain to me then how someone with Adam Lanza's mental state and social skills acquires the weapons necessary for the destruction he caused on the black market. What I'm asking isn't that complicated. MrPraline
First off the weapons he used were legal but stolen from his mother.no-scope-AK47
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Also he came from money and you can get what you want if you have the cash. If I was say a drug addict and had money I would be able to get illegal drugs with ease. You want me to draw you a picture here or are you going to stop acting dumb.
no-scope-AK47
What source of income did Adam Lanza have? Was his mom going to just give him a few thousand dollars without asking any questions? How is someone like Adam Lanza even suppose to figure out where he can find a black market dealer?
So you need to mentally stable, with good social skills to engage in illegal activities now?? Wow how old are you guys that your so naive??no-scope-AK47Not talking about him, but the so called black market. If you're dealing guns and facing the risks of being charged with federal crimes, are you going to sell to gangs and criminals or to a mumbling, stuttering kid who fits all of your alarm signs?
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]First off the weapons he used were legal but stolen from his mother.-Sun_Tzu-
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Also he came from money and you can get what you want if you have the cash. If I was say a drug addict and had money I would be able to get illegal drugs with ease. You want me to draw you a picture here or are you going to stop acting dumb.
no-scope-AK47
What source of income did Adam Lanza have? Was his mom going to just give him a few thousand dollars without asking any questions? How is someone like Adam Lanza even suppose to figure out where he can find a black market dealer?
How old are you I fell like I am talking to a little kid or a broke adult??In both cases it should be obvious most people with money have valuables that are worth thousands laying around. Let me answer you next obvious question "like what" or some foolishness, like jewels,watches,laptops ect. You don't need to be that smart to use craigslist in case you were going to ask that also.
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]So you need to mentally stable, with good social skills to engage in illegal activities now?? Wow how old are you guys that your so naive??MrPralineNot talking about him, but the so called black market. If you're dealing guns and facing the risks of being charged with federal crimes, are you going to sell to gangs and criminals or to a mumbling, stuttering kid who fits all of your alarm signs?
You have been watching too many spy movies bro.
Not talking about him, but the so called black market. If you're dealing guns and facing the risks of being charged with federal crimes, are you going to sell to gangs and criminals or to a mumbling, stuttering kid who fits all of your alarm signs?[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]So you need to mentally stable, with good social skills to engage in illegal activities now?? Wow how old are you guys that your so naive??no-scope-AK47
You have been watching too many spy movies bro.
There's no black market without contacts. People are careful. It's not Walmart. Are you really able to buy cocaine in, say, 24 hours? I doubt it. I also doubt A.L. would be able to buy illegal guns.
I can speak first hand and say it's hard to buy weed if you don't have a "guy". It doesn't just pop out of thin air, sometimes you luck into conections and other times it takes weeks of talking to people that might know something. All of it is very social, so I doubt someone who has social anxiety would be very effective at it.
Yes, exactly.I can speak first hand and say it's hard to buy weed if you don't have a "guy". It doesn't just pop out of thin air, sometimes you luck into conections and other times it takes weeks of talking to people that might know something. All of it is very social, so I doubt someone who has social anxiety would be very effective at it.
Yusuke420
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] Not talking about him, but the so called black market. If you're dealing guns and facing the risks of being charged with federal crimes, are you going to sell to gangs and criminals or to a mumbling, stuttering kid who fits all of your alarm signs?MrPraline
You have been watching too many spy movies bro.
There's no black market without contacts. People are careful. It's not Walmart. Are you really able to buy cocaine in, say, 24 hours? I doubt it. I also doubt A.L. would be able to buy illegal guns.Where do you get this stuff ??I am not going to tell kids how to obtain illegal drugs or weapons but I will say where you find one you most likely will find the other.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]First off the weapons he used were legal but stolen from his mother.no-scope-AK47
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Also he came from money and you can get what you want if you have the cash. If I was say a drug addict and had money I would be able to get illegal drugs with ease. You want me to draw you a picture here or are you going to stop acting dumb.
no-scope-AK47
What source of income did Adam Lanza have? Was his mom going to just give him a few thousand dollars without asking any questions? How is someone like Adam Lanza even suppose to figure out where he can find a black market dealer?
How old are you I fell like I am talking to a little kid or a broke adult??In both cases it should be obvious most people with money have valuables that are worth thousands laying around. Let me answer you next obvious question "like what" or some foolishness, like jewels,watches,laptops ect. You don't need to be that smart to use craigslist in case you were going to ask that also.
So while this kid is selling off his mother's valuable possessions she's not going to notice these things going missing? And you still haven't explained to me how he's suppose to get in contact with a black market arms dealer. This kid literally knew no one - his mother was the only person in his life, but you're telling me he would've had no problem getting into contact with one? To repeat what I've already said in this thread - it's one thing to speak in general terms about how criminals would still be able to get certain weapons even if those respective weapons were banned, but the people who buy these guns illegally aren't typically the people shooting up schools - they don't fit that profile. People like Adam Lanza have no idea how to function within that environment.There's no black market without contacts. People are careful. It's not Walmart. Are you really able to buy cocaine in, say, 24 hours? I doubt it. I also doubt A.L. would be able to buy illegal guns.Where do you get this stuff ??[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]
You have been watching too many spy movies bro.
no-scope-AK47
I am not going to tell kids how to obtain illegal drugs or weapons but I will say were you find one you most likely will find the other.
From reality. It's funny you are accusing me of watching too many films. Sure, the black market exists. Sure, everything can be bought with money. But it's a social game. No dealer would sell to people he doesn't trust. And who'd sell to shyness and anxiety incarnate?I can help but think I am talking to kids or sheltered adults from a small town with minimal real world experience. You can't find weed really smdh.I can speak first hand and say it's hard to buy weed if you don't have a "guy". It doesn't just pop out of thin air, sometimes you luck into conections and other times it takes weeks of talking to people that might know something. All of it is very social, so I doubt someone who has social anxiety would be very effective at it.
Yusuke420
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