Dem. lawmaker: To get gun control, Obama must exploit shooting

sheltered adults from a small town with minimal real world experience.

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I can speak first hand and say it's hard to buy weed if you don't have a "guy". It doesn't just pop out of thin air, sometimes you luck into conections and other times it takes weeks of talking to people that might know something. All of it is very social, so I doubt someone who has social anxiety would be very effective at it.

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I can speak first hand and say it's hard to buy weed if you don't have a "guy". It doesn't just pop out of thin air, sometimes you luck into conections and other times it takes weeks of talking to people that might know something. All of it is very social, so I doubt someone who has social anxiety would be very effective at it.

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I can speak first hand and say it's hard to buy weed if you don't have a "guy". It doesn't just pop out of thin air, sometimes you luck into conections and other times it takes weeks of talking to people that might know something. All of it is very social, so I doubt someone who has social anxiety would be very effective at it.

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I can speak first hand and say it's hard to buy weed if you don't have a "guy". It doesn't just pop out of thin air, sometimes you luck into conections and other times it takes weeks of talking to people that might know something. All of it is very social, so I doubt someone who has social anxiety would be very effective at it.

MrPraline

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] There's no black market without contacts. People are careful. It's not Walmart. Are you really able to buy cocaine in, say, 24 hours? I doubt it. I also doubt A.L. would be able to buy illegal guns.MrPraline

I am not going to tell kids how to obtain illegal drugs or weapons but I will say were you find one you most likely will find the other.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I can speak first hand and say it's hard to buy weed if you don't have a "guy". It doesn't just pop out of thin air, sometimes you luck into conections and other times it takes weeks of talking to people that might know something. All of it is very social, so I doubt someone who has social anxiety would be very effective at it.

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]First off the weapons he used were legal but stolen from his mother.-Sun_Tzu-

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Also he came from money and you can get what you want if you have the cash. If I was say a drug addict and had money I would be able to get illegal drugs with ease. You want me to draw you a picture here or are you going to stop acting dumb.

no-scope-AK47

What source of income did Adam Lanza have? Was his mom going to just give him a few thousand dollars without asking any questions? How is someone like Adam Lanza even suppose to figure out where he can find a black market dealer?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]First off the weapons he used were legal but stolen from his mother.fernandmondego_

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Also he came from money and you can get what you want if you have the cash. If I was say a drug addict and had money I would be able to get illegal drugs with ease. You want me to draw you a picture here or are you going to stop acting dumb.

no-scope-AK47

What source of income did Adam Lanza have? Was his mom going to just give him a few thousand dollars without asking any questions? How is someone like Adam Lanza even suppose to figure out where he can find a black market dealer?

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

His mother was a gun enthusiest, she would have probably owned an alterative semi auto rifle like a Ruger Mini 14 if AR-15's where banned.

-Sun_Tzu-

It is not the term rifle or weapon that is the issue, it is the term assault used in front of either. That is what gives those two words the meaning of how it operates. Assault rifles or assault weapons have the ability to fire automatically (or burst) or semiautomatically. The rifle that he used was a semiautomatic that looks like an assault rifle or assault weapon but does not have the functionality of either of those. It is semiautomatic rifle or weapon that you want to use and I do not care what the AR letters mean in front of AR15 either. They haven't been made in years as they were able to fire automatically and as stated before, most people cannot own them.

Well we need more gun controlDroidPhysX

no. we don't.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

His mother was a gun enthusiest, she would have probably owned an alterative semi auto rifle like a Ruger Mini 14 if AR-15's where banned.

WhiteKnight77

It is not the term rifle or weapon that is the issue, it is the term assault used in front of either. That is what gives those two words the meaning of how it operates. Assault rifles or assault weapons have the ability to fire automatically (or burst) or semiautomatically. The rifle that he used was a semiautomatic that looks like an assault rifle or assault weapon but does not have the functionality of either of those. It is semiautomatic rifle or weapon that you want to use and I do not care what the AR letters mean in front of AR15 either. They haven't been made in years as they were able to fire automatically and as stated before, most people cannot own them.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

I'm not suggesting that an assault weapon (Whiteknight I know you are a stickler for definitions, notice I used "weapon" instead of "rifle" this time)

-Sun_Tzu-

It is not the term rifle or weapon that is the issue, it is the term assault used in front of either. That is what gives those two words the meaning of how it operates. Assault rifles or assault weapons have the ability to fire automatically (or burst) or semiautomatically. The rifle that he used was a semiautomatic that looks like an assault rifle or assault weapon but does not have the functionality of either of those. It is semiautomatic rifle or weapon that you want to use and I do not care what the AR letters mean in front of AR15 either. They haven't been made in years as they were able to fire automatically and as stated before, most people cannot own them.

It may be a legal term now, but it is a label that some shmuck in a suit up in DC gave to all weapons that look like weapons that the military uses without really knowing what was what. They wanted to make semiautomatic weapons seem worse that they really are.

They wanted to make semiautomatic weapons seem worse that they really are.

WhiteKnight77

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Well we need more gun controlNaveedLife

no. we don't.

yes we do

LostProphetFLCL

What do you propose that is both feasible and helpful?

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]yes we do

Slashless

What do you propose that is both feasible and helpful?

[QUOTE="Slashless"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]yes we do

Aljosa23

What do you propose that is both feasible and helpful?

[QUOTE="Slashless"]

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]yes we do

Aljosa23

What do you propose that is both feasible and helpful?

Not all states have annual inspections, of any sort for vehicles.

omg, stop being a commieDroidPhysX

Aljosa23

Excluding the fact you don't need all of the left side to buy a car...

The first and fifth are doable (and I strongly support the fifth) but how are 'gun training' , Liability Insurance, and renewals going to help stop people buying a gun solely to kill people? If you're comparing the processes and their benifits take this into consideration: Someone could do everything on the left and still go on a hit-and-run spree or run fast right into group of people.

Expand on writing and practical tests.

omg, stop being a commieDroidPhysX

Dum conservaTARDS(LOL GET IT) r so duuum and stupid!!!!!

Excluding the fact you don't need all of the left side to buy a car...

The first and fifth are doable (and I strongly support the fifth) but how are 'gun training' , Liability Insurance, and renewals going to help stop people buying a gun solely to kill people? If you're comparing the processes and their benifits take this into consideration: Someone could do everything on the left and still go on a hit-and-run spree or run fast right into group of people.

Expand on writing and practical tests.

Slashless

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

What source of income did Adam Lanza have? Was his mom going to just give him a few thousand dollars without asking any questions? How is someone like Adam Lanza even suppose to figure out where he can find a black market dealer?

-Sun_Tzu-

The bushmaster he used is sold for about 13 hundred dollars on the open market (not including taxes). Plus due to the nature of the black market and the added costs black market arms dealers are forced to pass on to their customers that would also bump up the price of the firearm considerably. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]yes we do

Slashless

What do you propose that is both feasible and helpful?

Magazine regulation.

Holy sh*t, there was just a hit and run about a couple minutes ago on my street. 0.o At least that's what I'm hearing people screaming.

Poor guy didn't get hurt too badly though, he's walking...

You are right that it's still possible just like people who have their driver's license yet choose to drink and drive but that hardly means it's not worth doing. Writing and practical tests just like you'd have a written test and drive through a course to get your car license is self-explanatory.

Aljosa23

Worth is measured by some form of success and the fact that DUIs are very common, even under the strict punishments one would receive if caught, puts into question how this would help with guns.

We have a lot of irresponsible drivers, texting while driving, not keeping eyes on road because your favorite song is on the radio, DUIs, etc and the only reason everything on the left of the image is required is because cars are a vital part of nearly everyone's daily ife, guns are not.

Expand on written on practical tests. I know what they mean. I want to know how they will help, how they will stop people planning on shooting up a mall or killing someone from getting access to that gun. Dumb drivers can fake the tests because they act completely different when being watched by someone who gets to decide if they get a license then if they're with friends (or even alone).

Magazine regulation.TacticalDesire

Assault weapon is a legal term that applies to weapons that bear the appearance of assault rifles.-Sun_Tzu-

Gun fans don't like this phrase, because it is neither technical or descriptive. Just reading the definition posted here would suggest to a reasonable person that the term is based on appearance, rather than a description of capability.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] "How would someone like Adam Lanza acquire the assault rifle he used with said weapons ban in place?"

What you replied with is not an answer to that question.

-Sun_Tzu-

Assault rifles fire rounds automatically and unless someone wants to pay out the wazoo and fill out miles of red tape just to be able to apply to own one, the only ones who can have them are LEO and military. Seeing as the shooters Mom was neither and probably couldn't afford to pay all that money to afford such an expensive weapon, it is highly doubtful that it is what was used.

The kid may have used something that looks like one, but it wasn't.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Well we need more gun controlLostProphetFLCL

no. we don't.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Assault weapon is a legal term that applies to weapons that bear the appearance of assault rifles.Palantas

Gun fans don't like this phrase, because it is neither technical or descriptive. Just reading the definition posted here would suggest to a reasonable person that the term is based on appearance, rather than a description of capability.

That doesn't mean he needs thousands. Assuming it was banned, he also had 2 pistols (Glock and 6HR "SIG"). I think he could have gotten the same results with those. He could have killed them all with a .22. Banning a riffle just takes it away from those who might need it.

fernandmondego_

Need it for what?

Someone willing to go on a shooting spree likely will use credit to purchase expensive weaponry. James Holmes did that but Lanza probably could have too. People like that would throw it all away.

Aljosa23

It's pretty hard to buy an illegal firearm on credit.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Assault weapon is a legal term that applies to weapons that bear the appearance of assault rifles.Palantas

Gun fans don't like this phrase, because it is neither technical or descriptive. Just reading the definition posted here would suggest to a reasonable person that the term is based on appearance, rather than a description of capability.

This is what I have been saying, yet the facts are just not sinking in.

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Assault weapon is a legal term that applies to weapons that bear the appearance of assault rifles.WhiteKnight77

Gun fans don't like this phrase, because it is neither technical or descriptive. Just reading the definition posted here would suggest to a reasonable person that the term is based on appearance, rather than a description of capability.

This is what I have been saying, yet the facts are just not sinking in.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

Gun fans don't like this phrase, because it is neither technical or descriptive. Just reading the definition posted here would suggest to a reasonable person that the term is based on appearance, rather than a description of capability.

-Sun_Tzu-

This is what I have been saying, yet the facts are just not sinking in.

So then a ban on assault weapons is not needed as they are already hard to come by. Have it your way, but you are wanting the wrong type of weapon banned.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

This is what I have been saying, yet the facts are just not sinking in.

WhiteKnight77

So then a ban on assault weapons is not needed as they are already hard to come by. Have it your way, but you are wanting the wrong type of weapon banned.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

The facts have sunk in just fine, but my argument is not based on semantics. You can call these guns whatever your heart desires, I really don't care.

-Sun_Tzu-

So then a ban on assault weapons is not needed as they are already hard to come by. Have it your way, but you are wanting the wrong type of weapon banned.

You are wanting to ban assault weapons. They fire automatically meaning that one pull of the trigger can fire as many rounds as are in the magazine. What was used in the Sandy Hook shooting was not an assault rifle or assault weapon, it was a semiautomatic weapon which will only fire one round per trigger pull. Like I said, you are not wanting a ban on the type of weapons of the style used in the shooting, but something that is already not readily available or obtainable.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

So then a ban on assault weapons is not needed as they are already hard to come by. Have it your way, but you are wanting the wrong type of weapon banned.

WhiteKnight77

You are wanting to ban assault weapons. They fire automatically meaning that one pull of the trigger can fire as many rounds as are in the magazine. What was used in the Sandy Hook shooting was not an assault rifle or assault weapon, it was a semiautomatic weapon which will only fire one round per trigger pull. Like I said, you are not wanting a ban on the type of weapons of the style used in the shooting, but something that is already not readily available or obtainable.

You calling these weapons by a different name doesn't change the weapons I'm talking about. I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The facts have sunk in just fine, but my argument is not based on semantics. You can call these guns whatever your heart desires, I really don't care.

-Sun_Tzu-

So then a ban on assault weapons is not needed as they are already hard to come by. Have it your way, but you are wanting the wrong type of weapon banned.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

So then a ban on assault weapons is not needed as they are already hard to come by. Have it your way, but you are wanting the wrong type of weapon banned.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I'm not going to play this semantic shell game with you. The guns I'm talking about don't change just because you choose to call them by a different name.

-Sun_Tzu-

It is when you want one kind of weapon banned and not the style used in the shooting. You are wanting a weapon that functions one particular way banned while the other isn't. Well, the type of weapon you want banned is already out of the realm of most people while the other isn't. How the weapon shoots is what designates the name, not some beaurocrat in Washington that has never held a weapon in his life.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Though I'm not getting involved in your discussion.....it's a bit disingenuous to call it a semantics argument since it's the core of the discussion. WhiteKnight77

It is when you want one kind of weapon banned and not the style used in the shooting. You are wanting a weapon that functions one particular way banned while the other isn't. Well, the type of weapon you want banned is already out of the realm of most people while the other isn't. How the weapon shoots is what designates the name, not some beaurocrat in Washington that has never held a weapon in his life.

To repeat myself for the nth time

I

Don't

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What

You

Call

These

Weapons

You can call them whatever the hell you want to call them. You've made it perfectly clear why you don't like the term assault weapon. I know why you don't like the term assault weapon. But what you repeatedly seem to fail to grasp is that how you choose to classify these firearms doesn't change what guns I'm talking about (in case you need me to refresh your memory, the guns I'm talking about are the bushmaster used at Sandy Hook and guns like it).

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]

That doesn't mean he needs thousands. Assuming it was banned, he also had 2 pistols (Glock and 6HR "SIG"). I think he could have gotten the same results with those. He could have killed them all with a .22. Banning a riffle just takes it away from those who might need it.

-Sun_Tzu-

Need it for what?

Someone willing to go on a shooting spree likely will use credit to purchase expensive weaponry. James Holmes did that but Lanza probably could have too. People like that would throw it all away.

Aljosa23

It's pretty hard to buy an illegal firearm on credit.

As I've said before, try being a rancher on the Mexican border and running into drug smugglers? Try running into a mama bear with a .22.fernandmondego_

Well the lawmaker is technically right but it can also be seen as a legitimate response to recent mass murders.

The thing is though, we already have gun control policies so... yeah... You could argue for strengthening those laws but it'll still be bypassed. Sometimes you can't stop crazy and as Obama said, "bad things happen." It's a part of life and nothing can be perfect.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]As I've said before, try being a rancher on the Mexican border and running into drug smugglers? Try running into a mama bear with a .22.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]As I've said before, try being a rancher on the Mexican border and running into drug smugglers? Try running into a mama bear with a .22.fernandmondego_