Dem. lawmaker: To get gun control, Obama must exploit shooting

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

That's what happens when you start shooting in public places in Texas. Somebody draws a gun and drops you before you can do much damage.

hartsickdiscipl

It got over 120,000 signatures and no response at all from the White House. That's nearly 5 times the required number of signatures needed to reach the "public response" threshold as specified on the website.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"] because rights are more important than the lives of little children apparently.Serraph105

"Think of the children."

I hate that line of reasoning. It always is a knee-jerk reaction to something and never actually addresses the real problems.

Children die in alcohol related car wrecks, get abused by alcoholic parents, etc...

So, why exactly aren't you crusading against alcohol right now? DO THE CHILDREN NOT MATTER TO YOU!!!!

"Think of the children."

I hate that line of reasoning. It always is a knee-jerk reaction to something and never actually addresses the real problems.

Wasdie

Lol, I already told someone in this thread (or one of the other gun threads) that it makes them sound like Maud Flanders.

EDIT:

And I admit I've done no research here, but I imagine that firearms are something that primarily kills adults. I bet pools kill way, way more kids than weapons.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"] How is that secession petition moving along?worlock77

It got over 120,000 signatures and no response at all from the White House. That's nearly 5 times the required number of signatures needed to reach the "public response" threshold as specified on the website.

I'm not the one who set a 25,000 signature threshold. Other petitions meeting this condition have gotten responses.

because rights are more important than the lives of little children apparently.Serraph105

*sigh*

It's disgusting how some people use the deaths of children to try to push their narrow agenda without looking at the whole pictures.

Stricter gun laws would not have prevented this situation. Only an outright ban would have, and if we're gonna put one of our rights into question then I want to limit some people's freedom of speech. And I also don't want to be drafted if we ever go to war.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

As long as people get to keep their violent video games that can contribute to violent, agressive behavior than it's okay if people die. GAMESPOT 4 lyfe

Aljosa23

still, i'd give up gaming if it meant no one ever would die in shooting rampage. not sure if the closet sociopaths with their guns would do the same

LOL didn't realize video games couldn't help in some way trigger someone to do something like this.

The person's brain is where it starts. A gun is just a piece of metal unless something inside their head triggers them to use that piece of metal. There is a chance that video games can influence people, especially a mentally unstable person, unless somehow that's been proven false. So playing violent video games can increase the chance of a psychopath snapping like this, or any other homicide.

And wow, calling gun owners sociopaths when the overwhelming majority have never shot a human being. Funny how you get enjoyment from playing violent video games though, causing harm to others in a virtual world.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"] because rights are more important than the lives of little children apparently.Slashless

*sigh*

It's disgusting how some people use the deaths of children to try to push their narrow agenda without looking at the whole pictures.

Stricter gun laws would not have prevented this situation. Only an outright ban would have, and if we're gonna put one of our rights into question then I want to limit some people's freedom of speech. And I also don't want to be drafted if we ever go to war.

LOL didn't realize video games couldn't help in some way trigger someone to do something like this.

The person's brain is where it starts. A gun is just a piece of metal unless something inside their head triggers them to use that piece of metal. There is a chance that video games can influence people, especially a mentally unstable person, unless somehow that's been proven false. So playing violent video games can increase the chance of a psychopath snapping like this, or any other homicide.

And wow, calling gun owners sociopaths when the overwhelming majority have never shot a human being. Funny how you get enjoyment from playing violent video games though, causing harm to others in a virtual world.

SpartanMSU

I refuse to shut up any longer just because people are afraid that their guns might get taken away from them.

[QUOTE="Slashless"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"] because rights are more important than the lives of little children apparently.Serraph105

*sigh*

It's disgusting how some people use the deaths of children to try to push their narrow agenda without looking at the whole pictures.

Stricter gun laws would not have prevented this situation. Only an outright ban would have, and if we're gonna put one of our rights into question then I want to limit some people's freedom of speech. And I also don't want to be drafted if we ever go to war.

You're getting "do nothing" confused with people trying to avoid pointless, knee-jerk legislation that would nod nothing to curb gun violence and only punish tens of millions of legal, law abiding gun owners.

The root of the problem is far deeper than pointless gun control laws could possibly affect.

Stopping people from buying guns won't stop the 300+ million that already exist legally (and millions more illegal) from being traded second hand.

see my post a bit further down. I'm disgusted (though not surprised) that people's response is to do nothing when tragedies like this happen. Worse yet people who are against gun control actively shut down conversation of other solutions to the issue at hand by telling us to be silent and respect the dead. All silence does is end discussion.Serraph105

I def. don't advocate the silent treatment after such a tragedy. It's just people are too quick to point fingers after events like this, and that only makes matters worse.

I agree with a psych test before getting a gun, maybe increased security at schools, and DEFINITELY STOP MAKING THE SHOOTER OUT TO BE A HOUSEHOLD NAME.

All plastering the sick f*ck's name and info everywhere does is give the assh0le what he wanted. He specifically targeted children for a reason, he wanted to one-up other psychos and go down as King A-Hole. It also makes other psychos on the edge of murdering people think "Wow! I could be remembered as a sick bastard and a sad nobody!"

I hate the mainstream media sometimes.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

LOL didn't realize video games couldn't help in some way trigger someone to do something like this.

The person's brain is where it starts. A gun is just a piece of metal unless something inside their head triggers them to use that piece of metal. There is a chance that video games can influence people, especially a mentally unstable person, unless somehow that's been proven false. So playing violent video games can increase the chance of a psychopath snapping like this, or any other homicide.

And wow, calling gun owners sociopaths when the overwhelming majority have never shot a human being. Funny how you get enjoyment from playing violent video games though, causing harm to others in a virtual world.

Aljosa23

Yeah, doesn't seem like it. Some of your posts yes, but not that one.

Oh, and I'm just trolling to annoy video game nuts...

I don't know why I come here when I'm procrastinating my CFA studying...it's a fvcking joke. Back to wallstreetoasis, where there's actually semi-intelligent people.

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

It got over 120,000 signatures and no response at all from the White House. That's nearly 5 times the required number of signatures needed to reach the "public response" threshold as specified on the website.

hartsickdiscipl

I'm not the one who set a 25,000 signature threshold. Other petitions meeting this condition have gotten responses.

The only solution to decrease the thousands of murders in this country are to inforce strict gun laws. More jail time or the death penalty will only increase the rate of murder suicide. This solution is proven in other countries to work. There is a reason why there have been so many mass murders in our countries history. This is not a political issue, it is an issue of human lives being ended forno reason. I am a libertarian, but I am also a human being that realizes that something needs to be done, there is no constitutional way to solve this problem. That didn't stop the government from implementing the patriot act, or the NDAA, which allows the government to institute martial law. We need gun laws, if that goes against the constitution, so be it.GD-1369211121

>libertarian
>wanting more governemnt

Pick one please.

I swear you just picked a lot of OT buzzwords and threw them into a single post.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"] You seriously expect something to come of an online petition (especially one as unrealistic as that) and you have the gall to call others naive?worlock77

I'm not the one who set a 25,000 signature threshold. Other petitions meeting this condition have gotten responses.

[QUOTE="GD-1369211121"]The only solution to decrease the thousands of murders in this country are to inforce strict gun laws. More jail time or the death penalty will only increase the rate of murder suicide. This solution is proven in other countries to work. There is a reason why there have been so many mass murders in our countries history. This is not a political issue, it is an issue of human lives being ended forno reason. I am a libertarian, but I am also a human being that realizes that something needs to be done, there is no constitutional way to solve this problem. That didn't stop the government from implementing the patriot act, or the NDAA, which allows the government to institute martial law. We need gun laws, if that goes against the constitution, so be it.Wasdie

>libertarian
>wanting more governemnt

Pick one please.

I swear you just picked a lot of OT buzzwords and threw them into a single post.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="GD-1369211121"]The only solution to decrease the thousands of murders in this country are to inforce strict gun laws. More jail time or the death penalty will only increase the rate of murder suicide. This solution is proven in other countries to work. There is a reason why there have been so many mass murders in our countries history. This is not a political issue, it is an issue of human lives being ended forno reason. I am a libertarian, but I am also a human being that realizes that something needs to be done, there is no constitutional way to solve this problem. That didn't stop the government from implementing the patriot act, or the NDAA, which allows the government to institute martial law. We need gun laws, if that goes against the constitution, so be it.GD-1369211121

>libertarian
>wanting more governemnt

Pick one please.

I swear you just picked a lot of OT buzzwords and threw them into a single post.

More laws = more government. It's that simple.

There is no one quick and easy solution to the "problem". If anything, we haven't even diagnosed the full issue yet so any sort of quick "fix" would be pointless.

[QUOTE="GD-1369211121"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

>libertarian
>wanting more governemnt

Pick one please.

I swear you just picked a lot of OT buzzwords and threw them into a single post.

Wasdie

More laws = more government. It's that simple.

There is no one quick and easy solution to the "problem". If anything, we haven't even diagnosed the full issue yet so any sort of quick "fix" would be pointless.

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I'm not the one who set a 25,000 signature threshold. Other petitions meeting this condition have gotten responses.

dave123321

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"] because rights are more important than the lives of little children apparently.Serraph105

88 people have died in mass shootings in the US this year. It's tragic and incredibly sad that this has happened, but in no way an excuse to infringe upon one of the cornerstones of the US. The 2nd Amendment must not be infringed upon. There will be a civil war if it does happen.

If you don't understand this, you don't belong in a discussion about this subject- Criminals don't care about the law. Lunatics don't care about the law. They will continue to arm and put the public in danger. The best way to keep them somewhat in check is to keep responsible, law-abiding citizens armed as well. People so quickly forget that the Oregon Mall shooting and last night's San Antonio theater shooting were quickly stopped by people with concealed weapons. The crazies will still do crazy things, legal or not. They will get their guns. Passing laws won't magically make them stop.

I have to laugh at the naive people here. This country has had the right to bear arms as one of it's cornerstones for well over 200 years. If our government tries to mess with that now, they will have a war on their hands. This is too deeply entrenched.

I'm not looking to infringe upon people's rights frankly, but for a tragedy like this to come and go without searching for solutions because of the argument, "Don't take mah guns!" is unacceptable in my opinion and frankly unforgivable.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

As long as people get to keep their violent video games that can contribute to violent, agressive behavior than it's okay if people die. GAMESPOT 4 lyfe

SpartanMSU

still, i'd give up gaming if it meant no one ever would die in shooting rampage. not sure if the closet sociopaths with their guns would do the same

LOL didn't realize video games couldn't help in some way trigger someone to do something like this.

The person's brain is where it starts. A gun is just a piece of metal unless something inside their head triggers them to use that piece of metal. There is a chance that video games can influence people, especially a mentally unstable person, unless somehow that's been proven false. So playing violent video games can increase the chance of a psychopath snapping like this, or any other homicide.

And wow, calling gun owners sociopaths when the overwhelming majority have never shot a human being. Funny how you get enjoyment from playing violent video games though, causing harm to others in a virtual world.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

88 people have died in mass shootings in the US this year. It's tragic and incredibly sad that this has happened, but in no way an excuse to infringe upon one of the cornerstones of the US. The 2nd Amendment must not be infringed upon. There will be a civil war if it does happen.

If you don't understand this, you don't belong in a discussion about this subject- Criminals don't care about the law. Lunatics don't care about the law. They will continue to arm and put the public in danger. The best way to keep them somewhat in check is to keep responsible, law-abiding citizens armed as well. People so quickly forget that the Oregon Mall shooting and last night's San Antonio theater shooting were quickly stopped by people with concealed weapons. The crazies will still do crazy things, legal or not. They will get their guns. Passing laws won't magically make them stop.

I have to laugh at the naive people here. This country has had the right to bear arms as one of it's cornerstones for well over 200 years. If our government tries to mess with that now, they will have a war on their hands. This is too deeply entrenched.

fernandmondego_

I'm not looking to infringe upon people's rights frankly, but for a tragedy like this to come and go without searching for solutions because of the argument, "Don't take mah guns!" is unacceptable in my opinion and frankly unforgivable.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I'm not looking to infringe upon people's rights frankly, but for a tragedy like this to come and go without searching for solutions because of the argument, "Don't take mah guns!" is unacceptable in my opinion and frankly unforgivable.

Serraph105

I love it they have 125,000 signatures and Texas has a population of almost 27 mllion people. Wake me when you can get 10 or even 5% of the population to follow these whack-jobs.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]What do you do when a tragedy like thishappens?fernandmondego_

I love it they have 125,000 signatures and Texas has a population of almost 27 mllion people. Wake me when you can get 10 or even 5% of the population to follow these whack-jobs.

Yusuke420

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]What do you do? Do we ban knives? Comparing this to 9/11 is just silly.fernandmondego_

I would love to see a logical argument on why any average person needs an M16 or even a gun in their daily lives.o0squishy0o

The regular Joe Gun Owner that lives down the street from you cannot own an M16 without jumping through a ton of hoops and filling out miles of paperwork and paying a rather large sum just to obtain a license that allows him to own fully automatic weapons such as your aforementioned M16. There are weapons out there that may look like an M16 or other assault rifles, but they are not as they cannot be sold to civilians without special permits.

Severa years ago, a carjacker who stole a SUV killed the owner of the SUV and wrecked was killed by someone holding a concealed gun permit and shot the carjacker before he could carjack another vehicle. This is a very good reason why people should be able to own weapons. That doesn't include those that hunt for their food.

Yeah there's a secret camera of Obama being told of the shooting, he jumped up and was dancing thanking god for a crazed gunman as it meant he didn't have to create an event to justify gun control.

I don't see why more gun control is needed, the guns were legitimately owned by someone, it's not like the guns were illegally owned or stolen. All that's needed is tighter controls on the storage of guns. If all guns are required by law to be kept in a metal gun cabinet and having the cabinet bolted to a wall or the floor then I guess it would cut theft of firearms by quite a bit. It's not a perfect solution as you would just need to get the key but a key is easier to hide than a damn rifle.

This is just tool to win votes in the next election not fix the mental health system at the root of the problem.

This is just tool to win votes in the next election not fix the mental health system at the root of the problem.

no-scope-AK47

I agree, if the mental heatlh system was working, you would not be in a position to post on gamespot.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

This is just tool to win votes in the next election not fix the mental health system at the root of the problem.

tenaka2

I agree, if the mental heatlh system was working, you would not be in a position to post on gamespot.

I refuse to shut up any longer just because people are afraid that their guns might get taken away from them.

Serraph105

Take them away from the cops and military too. Then I'll be ok with it.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

This is just tool to win votes in the next election not fix the mental health system at the root of the problem.

no-scope-AK47

I agree, if the mental heatlh system was working, you would not be in a position to post on gamespot.

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I agree, if the mental heatlh system was working, you would not be in a position to post on gamespot.

Yusuke420

So why I am a perceived threat to your safety ??

Is it just because I am a big scary looking black man who has firearms ??

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]I am only dangerous to idiots with no facts on guns.

no-scope-AK47

So why I am a perceived threat to your safety ??

Is it just because I am a big scary looking black man who has firearms ??

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"] The only fact I need to know is that if a bullet comes out and enters my body, there's a chance that I will be dead. That's plenty motivation to stay away from people like you.

JohnF111

So why I am a perceived threat to your safety ??

Is it just because I am a big scary looking black man who has firearms ??

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]Looks around I have not shot anybody ??

So why I am a perceived threat to your safety ??

Is it just because I am a big scary looking black man who has firearms ??

no-scope-AK47

[QUOTE="no-scope-AK47"]

[QUOTE="JohnF111"] You have played video games and according to multiple sources they lead to violence and dissociative disorders, just ask any psychologist, therefore I have reliable sources that agree that you are no longer considered safe with a gun in your possession.JohnF111

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="GD-1369211121"] I never said I wanted bigger government. What do you suggest we do to try to prevent something like this from happening again?GD-1369211121

More laws = more government. It's that simple.

There is no one quick and easy solution to the "problem". If anything, we haven't even diagnosed the full issue yet so any sort of quick "fix" would be pointless.