Dem. lawmaker: To get gun control, Obama must exploit shooting

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

Because we should absolutely punish those who had nothing to do with this horrific crime.

hartsickdiscipl

Then take the weapons away from the military too.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]It would be helpful to see what they're basing that graphic on.worlock77

d apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.
A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.
A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.
A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.
A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.
A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.
At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon.

Read more at:http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/halt-the-massacre-of-innocent-children-by-ending-prohibition-on-self-defense-in/

Support the victims of this senseless, preventable tragedy at:https://newtown.uwwesternct.org/

Have you ever played Postal 2? If you open fire in a public area, the armed citizens pull out their handguns and take you out. If they weren't armed, you could just kill them all until the police finally showed up.

Yes, it's a game, but that's how it works in reality as well.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"] Taking away people's ability to kill other people is not punishment. It's progress. Is time to get out of the 17th century and move forward with the rest of the civilized world.Kamekazi_69

Then take the weapons away from the military too.

Exactly. All of the freaking idiots (including Obama) who have been saying things like "guns belong in the hands of soldiers" seem to have short memories. Do they not remember the reason why the 2nd Amendment exists? Apparently not. With people like him running the world, the US will soon be added to that list of countries with disarmed, trampled citizens.

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Associated text.
Mayor Bloomberg and other push for more gun control in the wake of this tragedy, but they ignore the real ways in which the tragedy could have actually been minimized:

A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school's vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.
A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire an

d apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.
A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.
A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.
A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.
A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.
A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.
At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon.

Read more at:http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/halt-the-massacre-of-innocent-children-by-ending-prohibition-on-self-defense-in/

Support the victims of this senseless, preventable tragedy at:https://newtown.uwwesternct.org/

hartsickdiscipl

Have you ever played Postal 2? If you open fire in a public area, the armed citizens pull out their handguns and take you out. If they weren't armed, you could just kill them all until the police finally showed up.

Yes, it's a game, but that's how it works in reality as well.

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]Associated text.
Mayor Bloomberg and other push for more gun control in the wake of this tragedy, but they ignore the real ways in which the tragedy could have actually been minimized:

A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school's vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.
A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire an

d apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.
A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.
A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.
A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.
A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.
A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.
At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon.

Read more at:http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/halt-the-massacre-of-innocent-children-by-ending-prohibition-on-self-defense-in/

Support the victims of this senseless, preventable tragedy at:https://newtown.uwwesternct.org/

hartsickdiscipl

Have you ever played Postal 2? If you open fire in a public area, the armed citizens pull out their handguns and take you out. If they weren't armed, you could just kill them all until the police finally showed up.

Yes, it's a game, but that's how it works in reality as well.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"] Ok. A few cherry-picked examples are nice. Now can we get examples of similar situations that were escalated because of civilians pulling out guns, or of similar situations that were just as quickly halted by police?worlock77

Have you ever played Postal 2? If you open fire in a public area, the armed citizens pull out their handguns and take you out. If they weren't armed, you could just kill them all until the police finally showed up.

Yes, it's a game, but that's how it works in reality as well.

Have you ever considered the possibility that some things in a game may be realistic, while others are obviously not? Nice try. I'd like to see some idiot try to shoot up a theater in Texas. He might take out a few people, but he'd go down before he shot nearly as many as were hit in Aurora.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Then take the weapons away from the military too.

hartsickdiscipl

Exactly. All of the freaking idiots (including Obama) who have been saying things like "guns belong in the hands of soldiers" seem to have short memories. Do they not remember the reason why the 2nd Amendment exists? Apparently not. With people like him running the world, the US will soon be added to that list of countries with disarmed, trampled citizens.

Have you ever considered the possibility that some things in a game may be realistic, while others are obviously not? Nice try. I'd like to see some idiot try to shoot up a theater in Texas. He might take out a few people, but he'd go down before he shot nearly as many as were hit in Aurora.

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Have you ever played Postal 2? If you open fire in a public area, the armed citizens pull out their handguns and take you out. If they weren't armed, you could just kill them all until the police finally showed up.

Yes, it's a game, but that's how it works in reality as well.

hartsickdiscipl

Have you ever considered the possibility that some things in a game may be realistic, while others are obviously not? Nice try. I'd like to see some idiot try to shoot up a theater in Texas. He might take out a few people, but he'd go down before he shot nearly as many as were hit in Aurora.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"] and all the mass murdering dictators from the last 100 years until now who stripped their people from their guns in the name of "progress".worlock77

Exactly. All of the freaking idiots (including Obama) who have been saying things like "guns belong in the hands of soldiers" seem to have short memories. Do they not remember the reason why the 2nd Amendment exists? Apparently not. With people like him running the world, the US will soon be added to that list of countries with disarmed, trampled citizens.

After watching his last couple of speeches, I don't think that will be happening again.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"] Yup. A game in which you can piss on Gary Coleman for no reason other than because he's there is totally like real life. How is it that you actually get more moronic with each day.worlock77

Have you ever considered the possibility that some things in a game may be realistic, while others are obviously not? Nice try. I'd like to see some idiot try to shoot up a theater in Texas. He might take out a few people, but he'd go down before he shot nearly as many as were hit in Aurora.

Nah.. I'll stay around because deep down, I know you want me to.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Then take the weapons away from the military too.

hartsickdiscipl

Exactly. All of the freaking idiots (including Obama) who have been saying things like "guns belong in the hands of soldiers" seem to have short memories. Do they not remember the reason why the 2nd Amendment exists? Apparently not. With people like him running the world, the US will soon be added to that list of countries with disarmed, trampled citizens.

[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Have you ever considered the possibility that some things in a game may be realistic, while others are obviously not? Nice try. I'd like to see some idiot try to shoot up a theater in Texas. He might take out a few people, but he'd go down before he shot nearly as many as were hit in Aurora.

hartsickdiscipl

Nah.. I'll stay around because deep down, I know you want me to.

There was another shooting here in TX in a movie theater tonight, but it doesn't seem like anyone was killed.

This is a dumb idea, gun control isn't something that Obama or the current Democrats are particularly interested in, and school shootings have never been powerful enough to motivate the U.S. population to take crime-reducing measures like this or prison reforms. Gun control in the U.S. isn't going to be very effective in the short to medium term at reducing gun ownership rates anyway.

There was another shooting here in TX in a movie theater tonight, but it doesn't seem like anyone was killed.

Yusuke420

Too early to say at this point.

Have you ever considered the possibility that some things in a game may be realistic, while others are obviously not? Nice try. I'd like to see some idiot try to shoot up a theater in Texas. He might take out a few people, but he'd go down before he shot nearly as many as were hit in Aurora.

hartsickdiscipl

There was another shooting here in TX in a movie theater tonight, but it doesn't seem like anyone was killed.

Yusuke420

another one?

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="worlock77"] Ok. A few cherry-picked examples are nice. Now can we get examples of similar situations that were escalated because of civilians pulling out guns, or of similar situations that were just as quickly halted by police?worlock77

Well these shooting seem to happen in "Gun-Free" zones where legally people can't carry weapons. So that is a problem with thestatistics.

Nah.. I'll stay aroundhartsickdiscipl

I dunno what the US populations obsession with owning firearms is. Sure its in the bill of rights, the right to bare arms, but do you really need them? Do you think its working out well for your population? How many violent crimes with guns do u have yearly? or even daily? The people who wrote the bill of rights were not infallible gods....maybe they made a mistake in this regard. If anything, I think this shooting, alongside the countless violent crimes that occur every day in the states with firearms, show that the US populace just isn't ready to responsibly own firearms. Im just using the US as an example since they just had the incident recently and its probably the developed country with the highest incidence of violent crimes using firearms, but overall, I dont think any society is ready for its citizens to own firearms. People just arent that civilized. But ironically, when people become civilized they realize they dont need firearms.

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

There was another shooting here in TX in a movie theater tonight, but it doesn't seem like anyone was killed.

CKYguy25

another one?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Have you ever considered the possibility that some things in a game may be realistic, while others are obviously not? Nice try. I'd like to see some idiot try to shoot up a theater in Texas. He might take out a few people, but he'd go down before he shot nearly as many as were hit in Aurora.

JustPlainLucas

That's what happens when you start shooting in public places in Texas. Somebody draws a gun and drops you before you can do much damage.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Have you ever considered the possibility that some things in a game may be realistic, while others are obviously not? Nice try. I'd like to see some idiot try to shoot up a theater in Texas. He might take out a few people, but he'd go down before he shot nearly as many as were hit in Aurora.

hartsickdiscipl

That's what happens when you start shooting in public places in Texas. Somebody draws a gun and drops you before you can do much damage.

I don't care just need to make the gun laws better to prevent stuff like Sandy Hook happening again.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Have you ever considered the possibility that some things in a game may be realistic, while others are obviously not? Nice try. I'd like to see some idiot try to shoot up a theater in Texas. He might take out a few people, but he'd go down before he shot nearly as many as were hit in Aurora.

hartsickdiscipl

That's what happens when you start shooting in public places in Texas. Somebody draws a gun and drops you before you can do much damage.

Another case of government using disaster to their own advantage

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/14/dem-lawmaker-get-gun-control-obama-must-exploit-sh/

mingmao3046

But it was a gun that he used, so I have no clue why someone wouldn't takenecessary steps to prevent a crisis like this from occuring ever again.

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]

Another case of government using disaster to their own advantage

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/14/dem-lawmaker-get-gun-control-obama-must-exploit-sh/

champion837

But it was a gun that he used, so I have no clue why someone wouldn't takenecessary steps to prevent a crisis like this from occuring ever again.

[QUOTE="champion837"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]

Another case of government using disaster to their own advantage

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/14/dem-lawmaker-get-gun-control-obama-must-exploit-sh/

Serraph105

But it was a gun that he used, so I have no clue why someone wouldn't takenecessary steps to prevent a crisis like this from occuring ever again.

"Think of the children."

I hate that line of reasoning. It always is a knee-jerk reaction to something and never actually addresses the real problems.

[QUOTE="champion837"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]

Another case of government using disaster to their own advantage

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/14/dem-lawmaker-get-gun-control-obama-must-exploit-sh/

Serraph105

But it was a gun that he used, so I have no clue why someone wouldn't takenecessary steps to prevent a crisis like this from occuring ever again.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"] In case you aren't aware, one just happened in Texas a few hours ago. Only a couple hurt though.dave123321

That's what happens when you start shooting in public places in Texas. Somebody draws a gun and drops you before you can do much damage.

It got over 120,000 signatures and no response at all from the White House. That's nearly 5 times the required number of signatures needed to reach the "public response" threshold as specified on the website.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="champion837"]

But it was a gun that he used, so I have no clue why someone wouldn't takenecessary steps to prevent a crisis like this from occuring ever again.

Wasdie

"Think of the children."

I hate that line of reasoning. It always is a knee-jerk reaction to something and never actually addresses the real problems.

Thank you for having a brain.

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

That's what happens when you start shooting in public places in Texas. Somebody draws a gun and drops you before you can do much damage.

hartsickdiscipl

It got over 120,000 signatures and no response at all from the White House. That's nearly 5 times the required number of signatures needed to reach the "public response" threshold as specified on the website.

[QUOTE="champion837"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]

Another case of government using disaster to their own advantage

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/14/dem-lawmaker-get-gun-control-obama-must-exploit-sh/

Serraph105

But it was a gun that he used, so I have no clue why someone wouldn't takenecessary steps to prevent a crisis like this from occuring ever again.

88 people have died in mass shootings in the US this year. It's tragic and incredibly sad that this has happened, but in no way an excuse to infringe upon one of the cornerstones of the US. The 2nd Amendment must not be infringed upon. There will be a civil war if it does happen.

If you don't understand this, you don't belong in a discussion about this subject- Criminals don't care about the law. Lunatics don't care about the law. They will continue to arm and put the public in danger. The best way to keep them somewhat in check is to keep responsible, law-abiding citizens armed as well. People so quickly forget that the Oregon Mall shooting and last night's San Antonio theater shooting were quickly stopped by people with concealed weapons. The crazies will still do crazy things, legal or not. They will get their guns. Passing laws won't magically make them stop.

I have to laugh at the naive people here. This country has had the right to bear arms as one of it's cornerstones for well over 200 years. If our government tries to mess with that now, they will have a war on their hands. This is too deeply entrenched.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"] How is that secession petition moving along?dave123321

It got over 120,000 signatures and no response at all from the White House. That's nearly 5 times the required number of signatures needed to reach the "public response" threshold as specified on the website.

I'm sure the "we don't give a sh1t clause" is getting in the way.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="champion837"]

But it was a gun that he used, so I have no clue why someone wouldn't takenecessary steps to prevent a crisis like this from occuring ever again.

Aljosa23

As long as people get to keep their violent video games that can contribute to violent, agressive behavior than it's okay if people die. GAMESPOT 4 lyfe

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="champion837"]

But it was a gun that he used, so I have no clue why someone wouldn't takenecessary steps to prevent a crisis like this from occuring ever again.

Wasdie

"Think of the children."

I hate that line of reasoning. It always is a knee-jerk reaction to something and never actually addresses the real problems.

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]

Another case of government using disaster to their own advantage

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/14/dem-lawmaker-get-gun-control-obama-must-exploit-sh/

champion837

But it was a gun that he used, so I have no clue why someone wouldn't takenecessary steps to prevent a crisis like this from occuring ever again.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"] because rights are more important than the lives of little children apparently.Serraph105

"Think of the children."

I hate that line of reasoning. It always is a knee-jerk reaction to something and never actually addresses the real problems.

Fewer children died in that shooting than die in some of Obama's drone strikes. His insincere crocodile tears are pathetic. His agenda has little to do with dead children and everything to do with control.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="champion837"]

But it was a gun that he used, so I have no clue why someone wouldn't takenecessary steps to prevent a crisis like this from occuring ever again.

hartsickdiscipl

88 people have died in mass shootings in the US this year. It's tragic and incredibly sad that this has happened, but in no way an excuse to infringe upon one of the cornerstones of the US. The 2nd Amendment must not be infringed upon. There will be a civil war if it does happen.

If you don't understand this, you don't belong in a discussion about this subject- Criminals don't care about the law. Lunatics don't care about the law. They will continue to arm and put the public in danger. The best way to keep them somewhat in check is to keep responsible, law-abiding citizens armed as well. People so quickly forget that the Oregon Mall shooting and last night's San Antonio theater shooting were quickly stopped by people with concealed weapons. The crazies will still do crazy things, legal or not. They will get their guns. Passing laws won't magically make them stop.

I have to laugh at the naive people here. This country has had the right to bear arms as one of it's cornerstones for well over 200 years. If our government tries to mess with that now, they will have a war on their hands. This is too deeply entrenched.

I'm not looking to infringe upon people's rights frankly, but for a tragedy like this to come and go without searching for solutions because of the argument, "Don't take mah guns!" is unacceptable in my opinion and frankly unforgivable.

As long as people get to keep their violent video games that can contribute to violent, agressive behavior than it's okay if people die. GAMESPOT 4 lyfe

SpartanMSU

still, i'd give up gaming if it meant no one ever would die in shooting rampage. not sure if the closet sociopaths with their guns would do the same

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"] because rights are more important than the lives of little children apparently.Serraph105

88 people have died in mass shootings in the US this year. It's tragic and incredibly sad that this has happened, but in no way an excuse to infringe upon one of the cornerstones of the US. The 2nd Amendment must not be infringed upon. There will be a civil war if it does happen.

If you don't understand this, you don't belong in a discussion about this subject- Criminals don't care about the law. Lunatics don't care about the law. They will continue to arm and put the public in danger. The best way to keep them somewhat in check is to keep responsible, law-abiding citizens armed as well. People so quickly forget that the Oregon Mall shooting and last night's San Antonio theater shooting were quickly stopped by people with concealed weapons. The crazies will still do crazy things, legal or not. They will get their guns. Passing laws won't magically make them stop.

I have to laugh at the naive people here. This country has had the right to bear arms as one of it's cornerstones for well over 200 years. If our government tries to mess with that now, they will have a war on their hands. This is too deeply entrenched.

I'm not looking to infringe upon people's rights frankly, but for a tragedy like this to come and go without searching for solutions because of the argument, "Don't take mah guns!" is unacceptable in my opinion and frankly unforgivable.

It's easy to walk into a school or movie theater and shoot the place up if you know that nobody will be shooting back. Also, there's no way to account for actions of the mentally ill, as most sources are reporting the shooter to be. More attention needs to be paid to such people so that they don't reach this point. That is the extent of what needs to be done. Maybe that and armed guards in more schools.