[QUOTE="Netherscourge"][QUOTE="airshocker"]Perhaps this makes sense? If his mother didn't have guns, he wouldn't have guns. I'd say its a good bet that he's not going to have the courage, skill or strength to kill 26 people in less than an hour with a knife or baseball bat. What's sad is that I'm trying to explain this to you people in the first place.If he mother didn't have guns can you provide proof that he wouldn't have been able to find a way to acquire some? You think taking guns from people that aren't criminals is going to stop criminals from having guns? You're just proving my point even more. If all guns were banned, he wouldn't be able to get them from decent people OR on his own. He'd have to figure a way to get them illegally- but at least it would be harder than just "borrowing" them from his mother.... When you let the average, everyday person buy and own guns, you're opening the door for anyone and everyone, no matter how decent or deranged, to get them. Better to ban them all from everyone and decrease the availability of them in general. You can get guns illegally now too. But why bother when you can just buy them legally? Or steal them from those who bought them legally? If you ban them outright, the ONLY way to get them is illegally. And that means taking more chances and risks to get them. It creates trepidation and that itself is a deterrent. Plus, banning them makes them more rare, more expensive, harder to get ammo for if ammo is also banned, and less likely people like this guy would get ahold of one without throwing up red flags for law enforcement.In what world does it make sense that you would punish responsible gun owners because a person stole weapons from their mother? Please explain this to me.
It would be like somebody stealing a kitchen knife from you, using it to kill multiple people, and then the liability resting with you. Topped off with a crusade against owners of kitchen knives. It makes no fvcking sense.
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I'm sorry I can't reason with you. I'm sorry I can't explain the "greater good" concept to you in a way that doesn't make you feel like you're being persecuted. It's not about punishing you. It's about deterring, reducing and maybe even preventing more mass-shootings in our country. If you guys are not willing to give up your guns to support a lower daily body count, then I just can't get through to you guys. I just don't understand why it's so important for the general public to own guns in 2012. There's just no point in me trying to talk to you guys anymore. And if this is the majority view, then I've lost all hope for this country.Netherscourge
Interesting picture I just saw.
So when a man illegally obtains a gun and goes up against a group of civilians who aren't legally allowed to own guns period, who wins?
Can I also ask if you imbibe alcohol? If you do, then I should ask for your legal right to drink to be taken away because you could at some point get behind the wheel of a car and kill someone. If not you, then someone else.
[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]I'm sorry I can't reason with you. I'm sorry I can't explain the "greater good" concept to you in a way that doesn't make you feel like you're being persecuted. It's not about punishing you. It's about deterring, reducing and maybe even preventing more mass-shootings in our country. If you guys are not willing to give up your guns to support a lower daily body count, then I just can't get through to you guys. I just don't understand why it's so important for the general public to own guns in 2012. There's just no point in me trying to talk to you guys anymore. And if this is the majority view, then I've lost all hope for this country.JustPlainLucas
Interesting picture I just saw.
So when a man illegally obtains a gun and goes up against a group of civilians who aren't legally allowed to own guns period, who wins?
If you call the cops you could scream at a mass murderer "the cops are on the way" and he will stop. Same thing happens if someone is trying to break into your house. Guns belong in the hands of police. Now if a police officer was to go mad and shoot up a dunkin donuts than we will have to come up with a law to keep guns from cops as well.[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]I'm sorry I can't reason with you. I'm sorry I can't explain the "greater good" concept to you in a way that doesn't make you feel like you're being persecuted. It's not about punishing you. It's about deterring, reducing and maybe even preventing more mass-shootings in our country. If you guys are not willing to give up your guns to support a lower daily body count, then I just can't get through to you guys. I just don't understand why it's so important for the general public to own guns in 2012. There's just no point in me trying to talk to you guys anymore. And if this is the majority view, then I've lost all hope for this country.JustPlainLucas
Interesting picture I just saw.
So when a man illegally obtains a gun and goes up against a group of civilians who aren't legally allowed to own guns period, who wins?
Can I also ask if you imbibe alcohol? If you do, then I should ask for your legal right to drink to be taken away because you could at some point get behind the wheel of a car and kill someone. If not you, then someone else.
It would be helpful to see what they're basing that graphic on.There are well over 200 million firearms in the U.S. Reduced crime via outright elimination of guns would be a long-term endeavor. One has to ask, since gun violence is dropping, what difference that would actually make. Note the trajectory.
[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]If you call the cops you could scream at a mass murderer "the cops are on the way" and he will stop. Same thing happens if someone is trying to break into your house. Guns belong in the hands of police. Now if a police officer was to go mad and shoot up a dunkin donuts than we will have to come up with a law to keep guns from cops as well.JustPlainLucasYou're right. After killing 13 people, he wouldn't dare kill a 14th because you shouted at him that you called the cops. Bravo, sir. You have deftly countered my argument. There is an app for that
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]I'm sorry I can't reason with you. I'm sorry I can't explain the "greater good" concept to you in a way that doesn't make you feel like you're being persecuted. It's not about punishing you. It's about deterring, reducing and maybe even preventing more mass-shootings in our country. If you guys are not willing to give up your guns to support a lower daily body count, then I just can't get through to you guys. I just don't understand why it's so important for the general public to own guns in 2012. There's just no point in me trying to talk to you guys anymore. And if this is the majority view, then I've lost all hope for this country.fernandmondego_
Interesting picture I just saw.
So when a man illegally obtains a gun and goes up against a group of civilians who aren't legally allowed to own guns period, who wins?
If you call the cops you could scream at a mass murderer "the cops are on the way" and he will stop. Same thing happens if someone is trying to break into your house. Guns belong in the hands of police. Now if a police officer was to go mad and shoot up a dunkin donuts than we will have to come up with a law to keep guns from cops as well....what? When has that ever happened?
Cowaring in a closet for 15 minutes while screaming "cops are on the way" while the police arrive is not my perception on how it should be done. It just gives the mass murderer or criminal a 10-15 minute window to cause as much destruction as possible.
You're right. After killing 13 people, he wouldn't dare kill a 14th because you shouted at him that you called the cops. Bravo, sir. You have deftly countered my argument. There is an app for that[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]If you call the cops you could scream at a mass murderer "the cops are on the way" and he will stop. Same thing happens if someone is trying to break into your house. Guns belong in the hands of police. Now if a police officer was to go mad and shoot up a dunkin donuts than we will have to come up with a law to keep guns from cops as well.fernandmondego_
No no, seriously, though. You have a point. You would be saving someone's life by screaming at the killer that the cops are on the way, because instead of him pulling the trigger on who he was originally aiming at, he'd just shoot you instead allowing time for the other person to run away. Honestly, though, the mindset of a mass murder is so screwed up at that point, they simply will not care that you called the police. In fact, they might even welcome their arrival so they can add police officers to their death tolls and then go out in a blaze of glory as they gun him down...There is an app for that
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[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]No no, seriously, though. You have a point. You would be saving someone's life by screaming at the killer that the cops are on the way, because instead of him pulling the trigger on who he was originally aiming at, he'd just shoot you instead allowing time for the other person to run away. Honestly, though, the mindset of a mass murder is so screwed up at that point, they simply will not care that you called the police. In fact, they might even welcome their arrival so they can add police officers to their death tolls and then go out in a blaze of glory as they gun him down... Amazing that you missed the sarcasm there even after being told it was sarcasm.There is an app for that
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