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#1 raider1648
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do you agree that you should be able spank a child and that what used to be called disciplining is now illegal?
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#2 BigDizz
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I reallly think you need to re-word your question....

Hard to understand

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#3 ciaxhieu
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meh when i was bad my parent didnt just spank me, they literately tore me apart ahem, imo kids these day have it easy
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#4 Luncbox1
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we've been spanking children for thousands of years. Do we all look like insane, repressed, abused headcases? No. Verbally scolding is really no different than physically scolding children.
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#5 TheLordRagnarok
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I think you should be able to physically discipline your children, but to a certain extent... Hitting a chid on the bottom is fair enough, but hitting them with something like a stick is taking it too far.
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#6 Darth_Tyrev
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Depends how hard.
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#7 CRM_MOD
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Political correctness only goes so far...lay the hand of God down!!!
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#8 1337_ownage
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I think you should be able to physically discipline your children, but to a certain extent... Hitting a chid on the bottom is fair enough, but hitting them with something like a stick is taking it too far.TheLordRagnarok
Hitting with a stck is not too far. Only when there are noticable signs on the kid is too far
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[QUOTE="TheLordRagnarok"]I think you should be able to physically discipline your children, but to a certain extent... Hitting a chid on the bottom is fair enough, but hitting them with something like a stick is taking it too far.1337_ownage
Hitting with a stck is not too far. Only when there are noticable signs on the kid is too far

No, if you get mad enough you feel that yer hand can't hit hard enough, you need to chill.

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#10 luisen123
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[QUOTE="TheLordRagnarok"]I think you should be able to physically discipline your children, but to a certain extent... Hitting a chid on the bottom is fair enough, but hitting them with something like a stick is taking it too far.1337_ownage
Hitting with a stck is not too far. Only when there are noticable signs on the kid is too far

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I would never hit my kid with a stick..

tough I would spank them in the bottom...

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#11 MindFreeze
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I think it should be avoided. I have not been hit by my parents once, but when they were mad at me for doing something stupid, I just knew and felt the disapprovement. I felt really bad after and made sure I wouldn't do it again. So in that case, physical discipline wasn't necessary at all, but obviously not all kids are the same. I was probably relatively a good kid compared to some kids that I have seen around in my neighbourhood.:P
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[QUOTE="1337_ownage"][QUOTE="TheLordRagnarok"]I think you should be able to physically discipline your children, but to a certain extent... Hitting a chid on the bottom is fair enough, but hitting them with something like a stick is taking it too far.CheezyFrog

Hitting with a stck is not too far. Only when there are noticable signs on the kid is too far

No, if you get mad enough you feel that yer hand can't hit hard enough, you need to chill.

Using the hand is actually more dangerous than using the switch.

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#13 carrot-cake
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Yes you should be able to discipline your children, like a spanking, or a slap on the wrist. When people take it further than that then its abuse.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=HPkwNIrfGlU

perfect vid for the discussion

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#16 Zaeryn
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I think it's right. Some kids just won't listen to you no matter what you say, and they'll keep ignoring and defying you until you do something about it, and a nice spanking is a good way to make them start listening. Take their TV away? They'll put it back in their room. Ground them? They'll go out anyways. Sometimes kids don't listen, and sometimes you have to resort to spanking to make them listen. Sometimes words alone don't work.
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#17 lolwaffles
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i wouldnt need to hit my kids, id just yell till they piss their pants
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#18 foxhound_fox
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Physical disciplinary measures should be, it's child abuse. Good parents can properly punish their children and teach them a lesson without needing to use violence.
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#19 freshgman
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i dont get the question. but i believe in spanking but with reasonable force.
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#20 Chutebox  Online
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I reallly think you need to re-word your question....

Hard to understand

BigDizz

Seriously lol.

And it's silly what is going on.

They want our kids to be disciplined etc but they don't want us to discipline them. I don't know, this country is getting ridiculous.

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#21 famicommander
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I was spanked as a child, but only when I didn't listen to reason. I don't see anything wrong with it as long as it's saved for extreme cases.
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#22 Rekunta
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I didn't vote as your question is unclear and seems a bit contradictory.

Parents today are wimps. My mom kicked my ass in line from the get go and didn't take any ****. From my earliest memories she was very strict. Physical punishment wasn't necessary because she would take away my privileges if I acted up and make living with the family miserable. I had to work in the yard (a three acre farm) weed whippping, chopping down trees, etc, which was mandatory and constant. If I did well she was fair and rewarded me. My dad spanked me occasionally when I was younger, but I laughed when he would do it which pissed him off even more. From then on my mom kicked my behind into shape and didn't take any crap at any level, and I'm very grateful for it today.

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#23 -R3Vo
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You should be allowed to hit your kids... They are turning into such hellians these days, it's getting rediculous, something needs to be done sissy parents.

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Smacking around your kids is unnecessary and wrong, in my opinion. I don't think it should be legal. Parents should never have to resort to using pain as a preventative measure.
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#25 -R3Vo
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Smacking around your kids is unnecessary and wrong, in my opinion. I don't think it should be legal. Parents should never have to resort to using pain as a preventative measure.bman784

You can't try to have a symposium with your 4 year old child when they're screaming in McDonalds or the Greocery store. You definately can't negotiate, because that shows weakness, and obviously tells them that what they are doing is right.

You're a part of the problem.

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#26 Jack-o-Thompson
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You guys got it easy, I had to endure being hit with a stick...often. Sometimes even plastic sticks :(.
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[QUOTE="bman784"]Smacking around your kids is unnecessary and wrong, in my opinion. I don't think it should be legal. Parents should never have to resort to using pain as a preventative measure.-R3Vo

You can't try to have a symposium with your 4 year old child when they're screaming in McDonalds or the Greocery store. You definately can't negotiate, because that shows weakness, and obviously tells them that what they are doing is right.

You're a part of the problem.

So you resort to causing them pain? I don't buy it. You can take away their privileges, or prevent them from getting things they want. There are plenty of methods of showing them negative consequences without abuse.
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[QUOTE="-R3Vo"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Smacking around your kids is unnecessary and wrong, in my opinion. I don't think it should be legal. Parents should never have to resort to using pain as a preventative measure.bman784

You can't try to have a symposium with your 4 year old child when they're screaming in McDonalds or the Greocery store. You definately can't negotiate, because that shows weakness, and obviously tells them that what they are doing is right.

You're a part of the problem.

So you resort to causing them pain? I don't buy it. You can take away their privileges, or prevent them from getting things they want. There are plenty of methods of showing them negative consequences without abuse.

You act as if they're trying to break their arm... It's a smack on their bottom, releasing hormones and letting them know that they don't control you.

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#29 bman784
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[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Smacking around your kids is unnecessary and wrong, in my opinion. I don't think it should be legal. Parents should never have to resort to using pain as a preventative measure.-R3Vo

You can't try to have a symposium with your 4 year old child when they're screaming in McDonalds or the Greocery store. You definately can't negotiate, because that shows weakness, and obviously tells them that what they are doing is right.

You're a part of the problem.

So you resort to causing them pain? I don't buy it. You can take away their privileges, or prevent them from getting things they want. There are plenty of methods of showing them negative consequences without abuse.

You act as if they're trying to break their arm... It's a smack on their bottom, releasing hormones and letting them know that they don't control you.

You can let them know that they don't control you by not caving in to their demands, and showing some resolve. It's much more viable to provide deterrence by means of a reasonable conclusion, as opposed to deterrence by means of fear.
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[QUOTE="-R3Vo"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Smacking around your kids is unnecessary and wrong, in my opinion. I don't think it should be legal. Parents should never have to resort to using pain as a preventative measure.bman784

You can't try to have a symposium with your 4 year old child when they're screaming in McDonalds or the Greocery store. You definately can't negotiate, because that shows weakness, and obviously tells them that what they are doing is right.

You're a part of the problem.

So you resort to causing them pain? I don't buy it. You can take away their privileges, or prevent them from getting things they want. There are plenty of methods of showing them negative consequences without abuse.

You act as if they're trying to break their arm... It's a smack on their bottom, releasing hormones and letting them know that they don't control you.

You can let them know that they don't control you by not caving in to their demands, and showing some resolve. It's much more viable to provide deterrence by means of a reasonable conclusion, as opposed to deterrence by means of fear.

Weak dude, weak... I would love to see you as a parent, most people with you're state of mind always cave in when things don't turn out how they imagined it would. Deterrence would just provide a anti-social child, worse than physical abuse IMO.

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#31 Rekunta
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[QUOTE="-R3Vo"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Smacking around your kids is unnecessary and wrong, in my opinion. I don't think it should be legal. Parents should never have to resort to using pain as a preventative measure.bman784

You can't try to have a symposium with your 4 year old child when they're screaming in McDonalds or the Greocery store. You definately can't negotiate, because that shows weakness, and obviously tells them that what they are doing is right.

You're a part of the problem.

So you resort to causing them pain? I don't buy it. You can take away their privileges, or prevent them from getting things they want. There are plenty of methods of showing them negative consequences without abuse.

You act as if they're trying to break their arm... It's a smack on their bottom, releasing hormones and letting them know that they don't control you.

You can let them know that they don't control you by not caving in to their demands, and showing some resolve. It's much more viable to provide deterrence by means of a reasonable conclusion, as opposed to deterrence by means of fear.

Agreed. On another note, anyone that hits their child is telling them that aggression is acceptable. Good parenting? I think not.

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#32 freek666
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I will always have the memory of back when I was like 4, I threw my first and only tantrum. So my mum picked me up, smacked me on the bottom and said "now you can cry" and I just stood there, absolutely speechless and rubbing my bottom. Although nowadays I'm older and I just mess with my mum all the time for fun, she still scares the hell out of me.
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Weak dude, weak... I would love to see you as a parent, most people with you're state of mind always cave in when things don't turn out how they imagined it would. Deterrence would just provide a anti-social child, worse than physical abuse IMO.

-R3Vo
My parents didn't hit me once, but didn't cave in and gave me firm consequences, to the point that I learned not to misbehave early on. There are a ton of parents who don't resort to causing pain, and can have just as effective, if not a more effective influence on the behavior of their child. Most people who I observe hitting their children are petulant, and lack the resolve to rationally deal with their children. Causing pain is the easy way out, in my honest opinion.
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#34 tofu-lion91
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I reallly think you need to re-word your question....

Hard to understand

BigDizz

Agreed. I don't wanna vote incase I vote against what I meant :? I think you should legally be able to spank your children. My mum always hit me as a child, and still does when things get out of hand. Kids nowadays know they're untouchable so they do whatever they want.

For example, when I was in the top year at secondary school (at 15 years old) I was getting pushed around by the lowest year (11 year olds). Back when I was their age, I didn't dare go near any of them for fear of getting beaten up. Now they think they own the place. So you know what I did? I hit them. They pushed me around or said anything and I'd throw them up against a wall and either frighten them or hit the more arrogant ones.

Since then I had no trouble at all. They were all scared of me. Fear and respect are closely related. Kids nowadays need to be spanked when they do something wrong so they fear the parent and respect the parent. You can't just tell kids off, they don't learn. If they get spanked then they'll remember that pain and humiliation and won't do it again.

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#35 Toriko42
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No, some kids need a good beating

Child rearing is great
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#36 RabidChocobo1
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we've been spanking children for thousands of years. Do we all look like insane, repressed, abused headcases? No. Verbally scolding is really no different than physically scolding children. Luncbox1

Not really. Threatening your child and never doing anything doesnt do anything.
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#37 MagnumPI
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You should be able to grab your child and smack it with your fist until it says "Daddy my eyes hurt, I can't see and I smell more blood I taste." That's when you grab him and shake him into a series of whiplases and cervical fractures as you shout "Shut up you little son of a **** Then you shut the window and throw him through it. Go outside put his fingers in the door jam and slam the door shut. Take him over to the car smash the window with his head then put his head in the door way and just slam the door on his head. Go to the mall wheel him around on a dolly then chuck him down the escalator. After you finish disciplining it you tell it that's what it gets for eating candy before dinner and if anyone asks he's clumsy.
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#38 Piesics
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we've been spanking children for thousands of years. Do we all look like insane, repressed, abused headcases? No. Verbally scolding is really no different than physically scolding children. Luncbox1

We aren't exactly well behaved altruistic and tolerant individuals either.

[QUOTE="bman784"]Smacking around your kids is unnecessary and wrong, in my opinion. I don't think it should be legal. Parents should never have to resort to using pain as a preventative measure.-R3Vo

You can't try to have a symposium with your 4 year old child when they're screaming in McDonalds or the Greocery store. You definately can't negotiate, because that shows weakness, and obviously tells them that what they are doing is right.

You're a part of the problem.

Stop taking them to McDonalds then and punish by denying their privileges. Teaching your kids to use violence for conflict resolution just creates a bigger problem.

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#39 legend26
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kids have it to easy now a days, parents are raising them to be spoiled brats with no respect for their elders or other people

when i was a kid and acted stupid i got this

and it tought me "owie! that hurt! ok ok ok i wont act like that eny more"

now a days parents are sissies and want to be politically correct they just get

"thats it got to your room!!"

ohh yeah time out in thier room where they have video game, tv, music, and computers, yeah that will teach them a lesson...

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#40 mindstorm
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Proverbs states that he who spares the rod hates his son. How can someone claim to love their child if they do not discipline them in a manner that they know how to live life effectively? Parents are to teach their children and without discipline, children are to be rebellious.
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#41 legend26
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Proverbs states that he who spares the rod hates his son. How can someone claim to love their child if they do not discipline them in a manner that they know how to live life effectively? Parents are to teach their children and without discipline, children are to be rebellious. mindstorm
agreed
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#42 Piesics
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Weak dude, weak... I would love to see you as a parent, most people with you're state of mind always cave in when things don't turn out how they imagined it would. Deterrence would just provide a anti-social child, worse than physical abuse IMO.-R3Vo


Parenting is not about being a tough guy. If anything then caving into your frustration by lashing out instead of taking the logical approach is as weak as it gets.

now a days parents are sissies and want to be politically correct they just get

"thats it got to your room!!"

ohh yeah time out in thier room where they have video game, tv, music, and computers, yeah that will teach them a lesson...legend26


The problem there is not failure to use physical discipline, but spoiling them without showing the value of earning their tv, music and computers.
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#43 Napster06
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do you agree that you should be able spank a child and that what used to be called disciplining is now illegal?raider1648

You're asking whether we can spank our child nowadays? And spanking is deemed illegal?

I would say you should be allowed to spank a child, but to a certain extent only.

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[QUOTE="-R3Vo"]

Weak dude, weak... I would love to see you as a parent, most people with you're state of mind always cave in when things don't turn out how they imagined it would. Deterrence would just provide a anti-social child, worse than physical abuse IMO.

bman784

My parents didn't hit me once, but didn't cave in and gave me firm consequences, to the point that I learned not to misbehave early on. There are a ton of parents who don't resort to causing pain, and can have just as effective, if not a more effective influence on the behavior of their child. Most people who I observe hitting their children are petulant, and lack the resolve to rationally deal with their children. Causing pain is the easy way out, in my honest opinion.

Exactly what I was thinking. People who beat their children do it because they are weak and don't know how to deal with their kids, so they go for what looks the easy way out, they use physical force. My parents didn't beat me and I was very disciplined from a very early age. So, there you go, the theory that you must beat your children for them to be disciplined is bullcrap. The problem is that you risk doing psychological damage to your kids and even if you beat them, they might rebel. In fact, I've heard people say often that they rebeled because their parents beat them.

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#45 ragek1ll589
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I don't think physical discipline of a child is necessary. I was never hit/spanked as a child and I haven't amassed a criminal record nor have I had an violent outbursts. Discipline can be achieved without the use of physical force. It's called good parenting.
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#46 Wren28
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There is a dividing line between punishment and abuse. How hard and how much a parent spanks the child will either make it a punishment or abusive. I got spanked when I was a child, not often as I was a fairly good kid, but I only ever got three swats at any given time and it was enough. It was the only punishment that worked on me. They tried grounding once, didn't work...So I think parents should be allowed to spank their own child providing it is not done out of anger.
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#47 tsduv21
Member since 2007 • 2942 Posts
For extreme cases, parents should be allowed to spank their kids, but most of the time it is not necessary.
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#48 fordies
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There is a dividing line between punishment and abuse. How hard and how much a parent spanks the child will either make it a punishment or abusive. I got spanked when I was a child, not often as I was a fairly good kid, but I only ever got three swats at any given time and it was enough. It was the only punishment that worked on me. They tried grounding once, didn't work...So I think parents should be allowed to spank their own child providing it is not done out of anger.Wren28

That is pretty much exactly what i was going to rite.

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#49 kingdre
Member since 2005 • 9456 Posts

I don't see anything wrong with disciplining kids. My parents did that to me and I'm ok.

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#50 Aquat1cF1sh
Member since 2006 • 11096 Posts
Spanking = acceptable.
Anything Worse = :cry: