Disturbing Images from Iran you Don't see everyday!

So, as it turns out, it's only offensive to generalize an entire nation's population as terrorists when it wasn't you who threw the first punch.

Bloodshed is part of war. Was there too much? I don't know.I didn't bring up the topic. But you seem to suggest that we should stand back and try not to put anyone there in a bad mood. I think that reform is in order in Iran, and I think that diplomacy will set it in motion.

But no solution is without some cost. People may die, money may be wasted, it's too early to tell what will happen. Intervention hasn't started, but it will happen. I'm not informed on the issue, I came to comment on a video made to give a potentially hostile nation a pretty, non-threatening face.

[QUOTE="SpidersRMe"][QUOTE="middito"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]So they have pretty scenery, that suddenly makes the people nice? This is quite possibly the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Way to go TC :roll:.snoopeymaster

they may be different from us culturally and morally, but they're human. They laugh and love just like us, they have the right to live just as much as you or I. Imagine their beautiful country, invaded, annexed and plundered. it's senseless bloodshed if the only problem is their government.

So, they're passively holding thier country hostage and that makes action against them wrong? Terrorists don't look at the people they kill as mothers and volunteers and elders, they see them as enemies.

I'm not saying we should bomb Iran into the ground and purge it with salt, but if we have to fight them, we aren't going to be killing boxes of kittens and babies in cute outfits.

the United States has killed 500,000 INOCCENT IRAQI CIVILAINS.

now who is the terrorist?

Whoever said we'd kill harmless civilians? You're saying if we attacked Iran, that would be implying we'd be purposely killing everything that moves, including it's poeple?camreeno360

How are those disturbing? :|Funkyhamster

its so obvious isnt it. The WMDs are beneath the park benches....my god, we'd never see it coming

Rimnet, I'm confused about something. The last time some Israeli's attacked some Palestinians you made a post about it to inform everyone. I notice that you havn't done the same for the recent rocket attack on Israel and the incident with the bulldozer. What's going on? I need you to keep delivering your totally unbiased news service. ferretzor

You are compared the IDF, which is a government military organization, with a madman civilian? Please, think about what you are saying. Yes, it's terriable... but is it really at the same level as a government backed agency? The one who is responsible for the Palestinians breaking through the Egyptian borders in order to gain food/water/supplies so they can service. Something they had to do, due to the blockades put on the biggest outdoor prision in the world: The Gaza Strip.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7485353.stm

So... if someone were to post pictures of happy smiling Israeli civilians, would you change the tone of your usual topics?Oleg_Huzwog

er...

video=iraq

topic=Iran

AND DARE SAY ITS THE SAME THING

its like saying America, Canada same thing

i might not be from there but still

[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"]Yes, and the man leading that country thinks the holocaust was fake and we should wipe out the Jews.Ilived

Yeah and that's enough of a reason for western nations to bully other countries that are trying to become just a little bit powerful and economically stable.

When they threaten another group of people with genocide, ummm YEAH we should attack them, cause it's definately not an ok thing to do. but unfortunately threats don't warrant an invasion, so we wont invade them until they make another step in the wrong direction. (train terrorists and or if genocide-like activities are going on and oh yeah if they make nukes and threaten the world with them)

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]So... if someone were to post pictures of happy smiling Israeli civilians, would you change the tone of your usual topics?Omni-Slash

Of course! Silly me, how could I forget? Civilian A spends his time happily frolicking with baby bunny rabbits beneath a candy rainbow, while Civilian B lurks in the shadows waiting to unhatch his evil plan of destroying the baby bunny population.

Looks like a nice place. Too bad Bush is an idiot.Kikouken

And too bad he has his little bucket list of things to do before leaving office.

er...

video=iraq

topic=Iran

AND DARE SAY ITS THE SAME THING

its like saying America, Canada same thing

i might not be from there but still

nish2280

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]So... if someone were to post pictures of happy smiling Israeli civilians, would you change the tone of your usual topics?Omni-Slash

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, but I have not once supported the killings of any civilians.

If you are serious: then I invite you to link me to even one post where I suggested anything of the sort. Considering you are an ex-mod, and a father, I am shocked at the behavoir you are displaying.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]So... if someone were to post pictures of happy smiling Israeli civilians, would you change the tone of your usual topics?rimnet00

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, but I have not once supported the killings of any civilians.

It's always funny watching people talk about politics on OT, that know nothing about what is really going on over there. :lol:

The people who live there are good people for the most part. Who the hell wants to kill the people? We should try to do everything we can to talk the problems of the world out. Just because we got a great military , doesn't mean we should attack everyone because they don't like us. :| Only should use our military is they are a REAL threat to us or any other countries that are peaceful. If they have said that they want or will attack a certain country, then we have to do what we have to, to help make the world a safer place... ;)

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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]So... if someone were to post pictures of happy smiling Israeli civilians, would you change the tone of your usual topics?swizz-the-gamer

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, but I have not once supported the killings of any civilians.

Link? Maybe in your delusional mind I may have.

Whoever said we'd kill harmless civilians? You're saying if we attacked Iran, that would be implying we'd be purposely killing everything that moves, including it's poeple?camreeno360

Well, Iraq disagrees. The US has probably killed more civilians then the terrorists did. Maybe by accident but that doesn't change the fact those people died a needless death.

wow.. this must be old. the cost of the iraq war is WELL past $500B....

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]You have justified it.
rimnet00

Link? Maybe in your delusional mind I may have.

??? In this very thread you've casually dismissed Palestinian violence because a) it's not as bad as violence from the Israeli government and b) they're just acting out of desperation.

So.....what does this have to do with attacking Iran? We shouldn't attack them because they have nice buildings and people. Yes....because that's the only thing that determines whether I should attack a country or not. You could of made a video like this for Nazi Germany......

Not that I'm saying we should invade Iran, but saying we shouldn't because of this is well.....naive.

trix5817

I agree. In that respect, the TC's link was pretty meaningless.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]So... if someone were to post pictures of happy smiling Israeli civilians, would you change the tone of your usual topics?rimnet00

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, but I have not once supported the killings of any civilians.

Link? Maybe in your delusional mind I may have.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]So... if someone were to post pictures of happy smiling Israeli civilians, would you change the tone of your usual topics?rimnet00

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, but I have not once supported the killings of any civilians.

Link? Maybe in your delusional mind I may have.

[QUOTE="SpidersRMe"][QUOTE="middito"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]So they have pretty scenery, that suddenly makes the people nice? This is quite possibly the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Way to go TC :roll:.snoopeymaster

they may be different from us culturally and morally, but they're human. They laugh and love just like us, they have the right to live just as much as you or I. Imagine their beautiful country, invaded, annexed and plundered. it's senseless bloodshed if the only problem is their government.

So, they're passively holding thier country hostage and that makes action against them wrong? Terrorists don't look at the people they kill as mothers and volunteers and elders, they see them as enemies.

I'm not saying we should bomb Iran into the ground and purge it with salt, but if we have to fight them, we aren't going to be killing boxes of kittens and babies in cute outfits.

the United States has killed 500,000 INOCCENT IRAQI CIVILAINS.

now who is the terrorist?

there have been approximately 90,000 civilian deaths in iraq and the vast majority of them were caused by insurgents and terrorists. who are the terrorists? the terrorists are...

also can i ask where you got your "facts" from?

[QUOTE="snoopeymaster"][QUOTE="SpidersRMe"][QUOTE="middito"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]So they have pretty scenery, that suddenly makes the people nice? This is quite possibly the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Way to go TC :roll:.ItalStallion777

they may be different from us culturally and morally, but they're human. They laugh and love just like us, they have the right to live just as much as you or I. Imagine their beautiful country, invaded, annexed and plundered. it's senseless bloodshed if the only problem is their government.

So, they're passively holding thier country hostage and that makes action against them wrong? Terrorists don't look at the people they kill as mothers and volunteers and elders, they see them as enemies.

I'm not saying we should bomb Iran into the ground and purge it with salt, but if we have to fight them, we aren't going to be killing boxes of kittens and babies in cute outfits.

the United States has killed 500,000 INOCCENT IRAQI CIVILAINS.

now who is the terrorist?

there have been approximately 90,000 civilian deaths in iraq and the vast majority of them were caused by insurgents and terrorists. who are the terrorists? the terrorists are...

also can i ask where you got your "facts" from?

[QUOTE="snoopeymaster"][QUOTE="SpidersRMe"][QUOTE="middito"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]So they have pretty scenery, that suddenly makes the people nice? This is quite possibly the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Way to go TC :roll:.ItalStallion777

they may be different from us culturally and morally, but they're human. They laugh and love just like us, they have the right to live just as much as you or I. Imagine their beautiful country, invaded, annexed and plundered. it's senseless bloodshed if the only problem is their government.

So, they're passively holding thier country hostage and that makes action against them wrong? Terrorists don't look at the people they kill as mothers and volunteers and elders, they see them as enemies.

I'm not saying we should bomb Iran into the ground and purge it with salt, but if we have to fight them, we aren't going to be killing boxes of kittens and babies in cute outfits.

the United States has killed 500,000 INOCCENT IRAQI CIVILAINS.

now who is the terrorist?

there have been approximately 90,000 civilian deaths in iraq and the vast majority of them were caused by insurgents and terrorists. who are the terrorists? the terrorists are...

also can i ask where you got your "facts" from?

Actually the casualty estimates are so braod that the true number may never be known. A John's Hopkin's university's survey estimate over 650,000 killed while the ORB estimate as much as 1,000,000. The Iraqi Health ministry believes its about 150,000.Which one is correct? We may never know.

http://www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=88

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]You have justified it.
Oleg_Huzwog

Link? Maybe in your delusional mind I may have.

??? In this very thread you've casually dismissed Palestinian violence because a) it's not as bad as violence from the Israeli government and b) they're just acting out of desperation.

In pretty much every thread you have discussed the Israeli Palestinian conflict.swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="snoopeymaster"][QUOTE="SpidersRMe"][QUOTE="middito"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]So they have pretty scenery, that suddenly makes the people nice? This is quite possibly the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Way to go TC :roll:.ItalStallion777

they may be different from us culturally and morally, but they're human. They laugh and love just like us, they have the right to live just as much as you or I. Imagine their beautiful country, invaded, annexed and plundered. it's senseless bloodshed if the only problem is their government.

So, they're passively holding thier country hostage and that makes action against them wrong? Terrorists don't look at the people they kill as mothers and volunteers and elders, they see them as enemies.

I'm not saying we should bomb Iran into the ground and purge it with salt, but if we have to fight them, we aren't going to be killing boxes of kittens and babies in cute outfits.

the United States has killed 500,000 INOCCENT IRAQI CIVILAINS.

now who is the terrorist?

there have been approximately 90,000 civilian deaths in iraq and the vast majority of them were caused by insurgents and terrorists. who are the terrorists? the terrorists are...

also can i ask where you got your "facts" from?

Everybody says something different, nobody knows for sure. I find it hard to believe that so many Iraqi's died from "road side bombs", like terrorists are waiting all day long, just to be able to kill a civilian. That makes no sense. Making it look like the civilians died in a shootout with US soldiers, that makes sense. Making it look like they got blown up by IED's, that makes no sense.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]In pretty much every thread you have discussed the Israeli Palestinian conflict.newman12-18

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"][QUOTE="snoopeymaster"][QUOTE="SpidersRMe"][QUOTE="middito"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]So they have pretty scenery, that suddenly makes the people nice? This is quite possibly the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Way to go TC :roll:.TheWalrusBeast

they may be different from us culturally and morally, but they're human. They laugh and love just like us, they have the right to live just as much as you or I. Imagine their beautiful country, invaded, annexed and plundered. it's senseless bloodshed if the only problem is their government.

So, they're passively holding thier country hostage and that makes action against them wrong? Terrorists don't look at the people they kill as mothers and volunteers and elders, they see them as enemies.

I'm not saying we should bomb Iran into the ground and purge it with salt, but if we have to fight them, we aren't going to be killing boxes of kittens and babies in cute outfits.

the United States has killed 500,000 INOCCENT IRAQI CIVILAINS.

now who is the terrorist?

there have been approximately 90,000 civilian deaths in iraq and the vast majority of them were caused by insurgents and terrorists. who are the terrorists? the terrorists are...

also can i ask where you got your "facts" from?

Actually the casualty estimates are so braod that the true number may never be known. A John's Hopkin's university's survey estimate over 650,000 killed while the ORB estimate as much as 1,000,000. The Iraqi Health ministry believes its about 150,000.

http://www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=88

the figure i gave is a record of actual, documented deaths, not estimates. anyone can estimate deaths up the wazoo but i'd believe actual numbers to estimates any day. are there be more deaths then what's documented... probably, but i seriously doubt the number is astronomically larger like some of the estimates i've seen.

edit: the main point here is that the US is NOT causing the majority of these deaths, whatever number you want to use. it is the insurgents and terrorists that are planting the ieds and blowing themselves up in crowded markets and are the cause of the majority of iraqi civilian deaths.

They are still scum to meR-Dot-Yung

[QUOTE="TheWalrusBeast"][QUOTE="ItalStallion777"][QUOTE="snoopeymaster"][QUOTE="SpidersRMe"][QUOTE="middito"]

[QUOTE="monkeytoes61"]So they have pretty scenery, that suddenly makes the people nice? This is quite possibly the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Way to go TC :roll:.ItalStallion777

they may be different from us culturally and morally, but they're human. They laugh and love just like us, they have the right to live just as much as you or I. Imagine their beautiful country, invaded, annexed and plundered. it's senseless bloodshed if the only problem is their government.

So, they're passively holding thier country hostage and that makes action against them wrong? Terrorists don't look at the people they kill as mothers and volunteers and elders, they see them as enemies.

I'm not saying we should bomb Iran into the ground and purge it with salt, but if we have to fight them, we aren't going to be killing boxes of kittens and babies in cute outfits.

the United States has killed 500,000 INOCCENT IRAQI CIVILAINS.

now who is the terrorist?

there have been approximately 90,000 civilian deaths in iraq and the vast majority of them were caused by insurgents and terrorists. who are the terrorists? the terrorists are...

also can i ask where you got your "facts" from?

Actually the casualty estimates are so braod that the true number may never be known. A John's Hopkin's university's survey estimate over 650,000 killed while the ORB estimate as much as 1,000,000. The Iraqi Health ministry believes its about 150,000.

http://www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=88

the figure i gave is a record of actual, documented deaths, not estimates. anyone can estimate deaths up the wazoo but i'd believe actual numbers to estimates any day. are there be more deaths then what's documented... probably, but i seriously doubt the number is astronomically larger like some of the estimates i've seen.

Did they physically go out in every province and survey every family on how many people they lost? Coalition forces didn't even have control of every province until a few months ago (Anbar province was completely overran by insurgents). This can only mean that the number is a conservative value without taking into account undocumented death.

Did many civilians die because of American forces? Of course. Are the majority of the deaths caused by American forces? Of course not. But I think many blame the huge casualty rate on America because it started the war.

[QUOTE="R-Dot-Yung"]They are still scum to menewman12-18

I didn't even say anything anti-Semetic though :lol:

anyone else hear refuse to call cat stevens by his new name/??? lol

but anyways, even though i was well aware of the beauties in the world, of course most americans only know middle east as being one big hole of stucko sand and dust. i knew that these countries, like all others, have their beauties. but its also worth noting, that every country has far more poor than rich (except for places like dubai) and they have many many bad areas and neighborhoods. videos like that one are just as manipulative as the media. the show a bunch of pictures of places where the rich and successful live, work, and spend time at, and play nice happy music in the background, all the while conveniently leaving out any traces of anything bad whatsoever. thats insanely manipulative

anyone else hear refuse to call cat stevens by his new name/??? lol

but anyways, even though i was well aware of the beauties in the world, of course most americans only know middle east as being one big hole of stucko sand and dust. i knew that these countries, like all others, have their beauties. but its also worth noting, that every country has far more poor than rich (except for places like dubai) and they have many many bad areas and neighborhoods. videos like that one are just as manipulative as the media. the show a bunch of pictures of places where the rich and successful live, work, and spend time at, and play nice happy music in the background, all the while conveniently leaving out any traces of anything bad whatsoever. thats insanely manipulative

ronniepage588

Yusuf Islam :o *hears rioting*

You make a good point. However, sometimes one must fight fire with fire, to counter-act the opponent, hense creating balance in the midst of turmoil.