Do u accept g@y marriage?

These issues are supposed to be left up to individual states. California citizens said no, but the court showed complete inconsideration. What's next, the "right" for more than 2 people to marry? Marriage was a religious institution anyway. It's not so much that they want marriage, but more of a statement. Trashface

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]
[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]

That has absolutely nothing to do with this. The correct answer is: Because that's the way you are and you can't change it, like with your race and sex.

mindstorm

So you think you can become gay at will? Try it, it doesn't work like that.

Sure, your morality... And it has nothing to do with the fact that you aren't attracted to men to begin with.

Your ignorance is unbelievable...

ROFL Sounds to me like you are either gay or bi and you are in denial.

When you are gay you can also be happy in a (homosexual) relationship.

Why on earth would i want to stop other people doing whatever it is they want to do, when it has no effect on me whatsoever?Ninja-Hippo

I'm totally anti marriage. I think it ruins a relationship....that said...I don't particularly care if others want to be miserable. Be my guest.

I'm totally anti marriage. I think it ruins a relationship....that said...I don't particularly care if others want to be miserable. Be my guest.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Why on earth would i want to stop other people doing whatever it is they want to do, when it has no effect on me whatsoever?ryangb

actually it affects everyone in society becuase allowing gay marriage says that being gay is as normal and acceptable as being straight and therefore changes childrens views especially on marriage, it completely redefines the word. It makes it so kids grow up thinking that its perfectly natural for adam and steve to be a couple when i dont think it is, in fact it is definitely not natural.

if its not natural then neither is a male and a female getting married, if God made EVERYONE, then that means God made straight and gay people so, are you athiest or do you have some sort of problem that you go to therapy for?

what us g@y?

Is that an E-mail address?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Why on earth would i want to stop other people doing whatever it is they want to do, when it has no effect on me whatsoever?ryangb

actually it affects everyone in society becuase allowing gay marriage says that being gay is as normal and acceptable as being straight and therefore changes childrens views especially on marriage, it completely redefines the word. It makes it so kids grow up thinking that its perfectly natural for adam and steve to be a couple when i dont think it is, in fact it is definitely not natural.

How is it not natural? Homo-sexual behavior occurs in many species in nature. By definition, that makes it natural.

[QUOTE="legend26"]

i dont see a reason not to accept it. it dosnt effect my life in eny way so why should i care, and what gives me the right to stop someome from loving another person?

isnt it a comandment to love thy nieghboor? and yet many do not follow that...

ryangb

yes but loving thy neighbor doesnt mean letting them do or get what they want. loving thy neighbor doesnt mean agree with thy neighbor so that no ones feelings are hurt.

Why do you oppose your neighbour? What will you gain if you oppose him and try to stop him? You will only hurt people and gain nothing? what will you gain if you just let him be? His happiness?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Why on earth would i want to stop other people doing whatever it is they want to do, when it has no effect on me whatsoever?ryangb

actually it affects everyone in society becuase allowing gay marriage says that being gay is as normal and acceptable as being straight and therefore changes childrens views especially on marriage, it completely redefines the word. It makes it so kids grow up thinking that its perfectly natural for adam and steve to be a couple when i dont think it is, in fact it is definitely not natural.

There are violent movies on at theatres right now with sex and drug usage. Don't tell me homosexuality is so much a sin that we have to suppress it yet keep these movies in theatres so children can watch it and think the events that occur are perfectly natural.

Oh, and homosexuality for many people are natural. Just like it's natural for people to lust for destruction in others. Does it make it right? I wouldn't argue that. I don't think homosexuality is "right" nor "wrong"; just a preference. But even if you hold the belief that it's wrong which I find perfectly acceptable if you do, how is that you think your children are going to be affected by it when there is plenty of other forms of destruction in the media today?

[QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"][QUOTE="Ilived"][QUOTE="AtrumRegina"]

1. How does it affect you directly ?

2. Mind your own business.

With that said I have bigger stuff to worry about...

ryangb

It's just creepy seeing them on the news, movies or any media.

:|. What?

he means its weird because it is so abnormal, and the media tries to like force people to accept it, i mean if you openly say you dont agree with gay marriage people lookat you like you are a bad person and then pummel you with questions and hatred. its like gays want us to respect their views but they dont have to respect ours.

Men find it creepy because they can't come to terms with the inherent homo-erotic behavior we all experience as children, sometimes this homo-erotic behavior catalyzes awkward homosexual moments. Likewise, abnormal, biologically and genetically speaking, implies variation. This is not the case. In so far as scientific research in neurology, psychology, and biology have brought us, there appears to be nothing abnormal about homosexuality. What is your opinion exactly? Prejudice and ideas informed by theological doctrine? "Gays" want you to respect their natural right to enjoy the same benefits and rights a married heterosexual couple enjoys under modern cival and common law legal systems. You want them to admit that they choose to be Gay and that they really like the vag, right? Your views are the product of social conditioning and religious dogma. No more, no less. You can escape it if you so choose.

[QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] Partly for procreation.... which homosexuals cannot do...
ryangb

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99128.htm

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20390237-1702,00.html

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.es.13.110182.002351

not natural? orly? ;)

being gay isnt natural look at human anatomy there are male and female sex organs for a reason. males arent meant to give birht, obviously, females are. when two males get together and have "sexual intercourse" its not sex its saudemy which isnt natural. it seems pretty obvious to me, i will never support gay marriage nor accept it, i will however tolerate it because i dont want the conflict

You are dodging the question. It's natural in the sense that people are born that way, it just happens and no matter how hard you try to oppose homosexuality, it will continue to happen.

[QUOTE="ryangb"][QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] Partly for procreation.... which homosexuals cannot do...
BlackAlpha666

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99128.htm

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20390237-1702,00.html

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.es.13.110182.002351

not natural? orly? ;)

being gay isnt natural look at human anatomy there are male and female sex organs for a reason. males arent meant to give birht, obviously, females are. when two males get together and have "sexual intercourse" its not sex its saudemy which isnt natural. it seems pretty obvious to me, i will never support gay marriage nor accept it, i will however tolerate it because i dont want the conflict

You are dodging the question. It's natural in the sense that people are born that way, it just happens and no matter how hard you try to oppose homosexuality, it will continue to happen.

Homo-sexuality occurs in nature, thus it is natural. I fail to see why the naturality of homo-sexuality causes such controversy.

[QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] Partly for procreation.... which homosexuals cannot do...
ryangb

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99128.htm

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20390237-1702,00.html

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.es.13.110182.002351

not natural? orly? ;)

being gay isnt natural look at human anatomy there are male and female sex organs for a reason. males arent meant to give birht, obviously, females are. when two males get together and have "sexual intercourse" its not sex its saudemy which isnt natural. it seems pretty obvious to me, i will never support gay marriage nor accept it, i will however tolerate it because i dont want the conflict

You're obtuse. I understand, I do. When you're not exceptionally intelligent it can be hard to comprehend the finer details of a complex topic. There's a reason you don't have a degree in any field of natural science. You do know that, right? I enjoy the way you simplified the discussion down to "man have pee-pee, woman have vag-vag."

Sodomy, my incompetent friend, is any form of "ungodly" sexual contact between any couple, gay or straight (or a whole bunch of people for that matter, unless of those people are procreating of course). Sodomy is exclusively related to Judaeo-Christian thought. I will not ramble because we both know that the underlying concepts of genetics and biology are, as a whole, lost upon you. You see, they are not as simple as you would like to believe.

[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="ryangb"][QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] Partly for procreation.... which homosexuals cannot do...
Etheral_Filcher

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99128.htm

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20390237-1702,00.html

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.es.13.110182.002351

not natural? orly? ;)

being gay isnt natural look at human anatomy there are male and female sex organs for a reason. males arent meant to give birht, obviously, females are. when two males get together and have "sexual intercourse" its not sex its saudemy which isnt natural. it seems pretty obvious to me, i will never support gay marriage nor accept it, i will however tolerate it because i dont want the conflict

You are dodging the question. It's natural in the sense that people are born that way, it just happens and no matter how hard you try to oppose homosexuality, it will continue to happen.

Homo-sexuality occurs in nature, thus it is natural. I fail to see why the naturality of homo-sexuality causes such controversy.

Exactly. The quicker you accept it, the less gay hating people there will be and then we can stop wasting time on this. Even if you happen to be gay just accept it already, although that sounds much easier said then done...

"movies ARENT REAL, and kids and adults notice that thats why they watch them on a screen. homosexual marriage however is real and would redefine marriage.

how is homosexuality natural? human anatomy suggests otherwise since there are clearly male and female sex organs for a reason, is saudemy natural? no. and niether is homosexuality, jeez society is so blindly accepting to anyone becuase no one wants to offend anyone."

Wow. You're so thick.

hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.

ryangb

OMG. This is the funniest thing I have ever read. I can't even read the rest of his post through my laughter.

YouChaosisntme should thank RyanGB. He just let you win this debate by killing his own argument.

[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]Nope. Gays shouldn't have the special right to change the deffinition of a word that was not intended for them to use. Silenthps

Romer V Evans.

That case was about Colorado's Admendment 2, which basically stated it's perfectly fine for homosexuals to be discriminated against without any possibility of a lawsuit, which was struck down by the supreme court. Justice Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion and this was about "Special rights":

To the contrary, the amendment imposes a special disability upon those persons alone. Homosexuals are forbidden the safeguards that others enjoy or may seek without constraint

This case of gay marriage, It still applies. There is no instance of going after "Special rights" to get married, when straight couples can marry without a lot of problems

This is a very bad analogy but idc. How would you like it if everyone changed the deffinition of chicken, to playstation3. I mean, it's kool if you and your friends wanna call it playstation 3 in your own private time. But when you legalize it and make it the official deffinition for the whole society to live by it, then its a diffrent case. People shouldn't have the right to do that.

You know I recently read an article criticizing the U.S. government's rigid adherence to archaic precedents and the vague concept of "The Founding Fathers' expectations." One of the reasons why we appear to be so parochial to the rest of the developed world is our inability to criticize archaic and inadequate legal theory and political organization on the premise that our Founding Fathers were something akin to Ubermensch, and likewise the infrastructure of our legal system that makes it unbelievably difficult to ammend our legal code on a long-term basis (unless your case gets to the Supreme Court, in which case the outcome is more or less subject to which party controls the majortiy of the Supreme Court) compounds the problem. This all leads to my conclusion: An arcane ruling does not, and should not, dictate modern legal codes nor affect the opinion of any judge in the U.S. justice system.

hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.

wanna talk science, well science would suggest that being homosexual would be a malfunction in the brains process of thinking, where normally people are attracted to the opposite sex for reproductive purposes, there is a malfunction in the brain of a homosexual becuase they are not attracted to the opposite sex the way nature inttended them to be for the purpose of human survival, just like any other species, so basically science would suggest that it is a retardation of the brain, good try you primitive little prick even with your incredible and certainly impressive nearly uncomprehendable knowledge you failed to realize that your stupid little claim above pretty much supported what i was saying. sodomy is not natural, and human biology, the subject that you are an apparent genius at, files down to two facts: men have "pee-pees" and women have "vag-vag" ever think there might be a reason for that?

ryangb

So, by opposing homosexuality you think you can make nature stop turning people into homosexuals?

I got to admit that your reply about movies was pretty dumb. Movies influence people way more then homosexuals do.

i dont think its natural, and arent gay hating people just as bad as gay marriage supporters who hate the anti gay marriage people? gays think they have it rough but anti-gays get butchered and hacked at just as much. for simply holding a belief just as gays hold their belief, wanna preach acceptance? accept the antigays for who they are

ryangb

Well, according to you, it's a malfunction in the brain. Do you think this malfunction happened since birth? If so, then it's natural. If not, then you should hate the cause of this malfunction but even then, the homosexuals can't help it because they are according to you "damaged" for their entire life.

About the anti-gay supporters... That's like trying to defend racist people. Yeah, they have it rough for a very good reason and they all bring it upon themselves.

[QUOTE="Boba_Fett_3710"]Yes, this is America, everyone should be allowed to do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody.Ilived

You guys aren't even allowed to smoke pot.

Yes, we are.

hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.

wanna talk science, well science would suggest that being homosexual would be a malfunction in the brains process of thinking, where normally people are attracted to the opposite sex for reproductive purposes, there is a malfunction in the brain of a homosexual becuase they are not attracted to the opposite sex the way nature inttended them to be for the purpose of human survival, just like any other species, so basically science would suggest that it is a retardation of the brain, good try you primitive little prick even with your incredible and certainly impressive nearly uncomprehendable knowledge you failed to realize that your stupid little claim above pretty much supported what i was saying. sodomy is not natural, and human biology, the subject that you are an apparent genius at, files down to two facts: men have "pee-pees" and women have "vag-vag" ever think there might be a reason for that?

ryangb

That's why I told you we weren't going to discuss "science." It's not "science." It's biology and genetics. Laymen always just call it science. I don't often use my academic vernacular on these forums for obvious reasons. No one that is actually intelligent uses a phrase like "big words." Why not say...a complex diction? You're just getting defensive because I insulted you instead of providing you with psychological validation for your crass pseudo-intelligent arrogance. You're not even good at being irreverent.

With your incredibly inept grammar skills, I failed to realize just what the hell you were trying to say. Either way, science may say that in simplistic terms. That is my major concern in this case. That is, the dilution of scientific data for consumption by laymen. This leads you to compound limited scientic knowledge with uninformed bias. This isn't a good combination.

are you kidding me? im outta here im tired of this, homosexuality is wrong, its not natural, god doesnt accept it, i will never accept it, i dont care what you people say, alright im out, stay hetero everyone

ryangb

I hate to disenchant you, but God is dead. God is incapable of acting as a source for a moral code in this day and age. Abandon your archaic sentiments and opinions. Stop trying to justify your beliefs by assigning moral objectivity to what the Bible says.

[QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] I doubt that to be true... And even if it might be, that doesn't mean you have to follow through with it. Alcoholism runs in my family... that doesn't mean I have to become an alcoholic however.
mindstorm

[QUOTE="ryangb"]

hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.

Etheral_Filcher

OMG. This is the funniest thing I have ever read. I can't even read the rest of his post through my laughter.

YouChaosisntme should thank RyanGB. He just let you win this debate by killing his own argument.

I won before it even started based on the underlying premise of compassion and understanding for other human beings. I thank him for making himself look like a douchebag though, thus emphasizing my point.

Oh yeah, I'm also a heterosexual male, if anyone was wondering. I was gay when I was 15 once though, and also when I saw two chimps going at it. That's about it for homosexuality+Ben though.

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]Well im gay and i think i deserve every right to marry. Just because im gay shouldnt mean i have less privlages than everybody else. Its bad enough that we have to be "saved" :roll:MagnumPI

I didn't want to know that, it's creepy. It's always creepy when someone announces it, it triggers thoughts of fictional yet horrifying sexual encounters.

grow the **** up. do people announcing theyre straight trigger thoughts of rape too?

if you can't handle someone pointing something out about themselves that pertains to the subject, you shouldnt take part in public discussions.

What? I'm slightly confused. I'm assuming you're a heterosexual male. You'd be attracted to a woman, and you wouldn't be attracted to a man. It's part of your biology to be attracted to women. It's part of a gay person's biology to be attracted to women. .karriston

Physically compatible? Yes. Attracted? No.

They are trying to take away my rights to tell them they are wrong for doing so.. That sounds slightly unconstitutional if I say so myself.

No. They are not. You will always have the right to say whats right and wrong. It is you, however who is denying them their rights. If two people who love each other want to jointly own a house, then they should be able too. If you're going to accept only the Christian definition of Marriage into the legal system, guess what? Thats completely Unconstitutional.

btw, I'd have no problem at all spending the rest of my life in prison for preaching against homosexuality if that ever comes about like I know has happened in other countries...

That has never happened.:|

mindstorm

[QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="ryangb"]

hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.

YourChaosIsntMe

OMG. This is the funniest thing I have ever read. I can't even read the rest of his post through my laughter.

YouChaosisntme should thank RyanGB. He just let you win this debate by killing his own argument.

I won before it even started based on the underlying premise of compassion and understanding for other human beings. I thank him for making himself look like a douchebag though, thus emphasizing my point.

Agreed.

I take back what I said. He couldn't have killed his own argument. It never had any life to begin with.