Do u accept g@y marriage?
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] I doubt that to be true... And even if it might be, that doesn't mean you have to follow through with it. Alcoholism runs in my family... that doesn't mean I have to become an alcoholic however.That's because alchoholism is an environmental factor. In the case of genetic gayhood . . . there was one steady mentioned in an issue of New Scientist that talked about how certain parts of the brain in homosexual were very similar that in women and vice-versa, and this was not present in heterosexuals. If that isn't biological, I don't know what is. That doesn't mean they have to enter homosexual relationships and get married however...
karriston
What? I'm slightly confused. I'm assuming you're a heterosexual male. You'd be attracted to a woman, and you wouldn't be attracted to a man. It's part of your biology to be attracted to women. It's part of a gay person's biology to be attracted to women. It isn't a choice, it's something that's biological. It's like saying you can choose how many fingers you can have. So a gay person loves another gay person, just because you don't agree with it (WHY you wouldn't agree with it, I don't know), they should NOT love eachother? So you would prefer they would be alone, since they cannot love a woman in the same way they love eachother? You would rather someone dies alone, without a partner, without someone to love, just because of something that wasn't their choice (homosexuality) happened to them? That beggars belief. Since your a Christian, I'm assuming you would want the best for everyone. Would you want someone to be alone for their entire life? Gay people have to enter a relationship for the same reason the rest of us do: Love. Youl ove a woman, you go out with her and eventually get married to her. The same goes for gay people.
*palm to face*
First off, I've seriously considered remaining single the rest of my life dispite the fact that my dream in life as always been to get married and have kids. I've thought about doing so in order that I could better devote my life to God. I'd never expect anything from others that I didn't expect from myself...
Why I don't agree with homosexual marriage? It's a perversion of what is morally correct...
I appreciate your insults btw... really helps in a debate I must say
That's because alchoholism is an environmental factor. In the case of genetic gayhood . . . there was one steady mentioned in an issue of New Scientist that talked about how certain parts of the brain in homosexual were very similar that in women and vice-versa, and this was not present in heterosexuals. If that isn't biological, I don't know what is. That doesn't mean they have to enter homosexual relationships and get married however...[QUOTE="karriston"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] I doubt that to be true... And even if it might be, that doesn't mean you have to follow through with it. Alcoholism runs in my family... that doesn't mean I have to become an alcoholic however.
mindstorm
What? I'm slightly confused. I'm assuming you're a heterosexual male. You'd be attracted to a woman, and you wouldn't be attracted to a man. It's part of your biology to be attracted to women. It's part of a gay person's biology to be attracted to women. It isn't a choice, it's something that's biological. It's like saying you can choose how many fingers you can have. So a gay person loves another gay person, just because you don't agree with it (WHY you wouldn't agree with it, I don't know), they should NOT love eachother? So you would prefer they would be alone, since they cannot love a woman in the same way they love eachother? You would rather someone dies alone, without a partner, without someone to love, just because of something that wasn't their choice (homosexuality) happened to them? That beggars belief. Since your a Christian, I'm assuming you would want the best for everyone. Would you want someone to be alone for their entire life? Gay people have to enter a relationship for the same reason the rest of us do: Love. Youl ove a woman, you go out with her and eventually get married to her. The same goes for gay people.
*palm to face*
First off, I've seriously considered remaining single the rest of my life dispite the fact that my dream in life as always been to get married and have kids. I've thought about doing so in order that I could better devote my life to God. I'd never expect anything from others that I didn't expect from myself...
Why I don't agree with homosexual marriage? It's a perversion of what is morally correct...
I appreciate your insults btw... really helps in a debate I must say
I didn't insult you. I still don't fully understand you, are you saying that because you've considered being single, gay people should be single because it's not moral? I don't understand how it isn't moral? Surely if they love eachother there's nothing worng with it?
*palm to face*
First off, I've seriously considered remaining single the rest of my life dispite the fact that my dream in life as always been to get married and have kids. I've thought about doing so in order that I could better devote my life to God. I'd never expect anything from others that I didn't expect from myself...
Why I don't agree with homosexual marriage? It's a perversion of what is morally correct...
I appreciate your insults btw... really helps in a debate I must say mindstorm
Blame god, not homosexuals.
Well, it's a perversion that god intended to create then, as homosexuality is instilled in a person from birth.Robertoey
Nice.
hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.
ryangb
Edgar Allen Poe had a lot of talent that went unappreciated through his life, and is hailed as one of the greatest writers of his time. I can't say the same for you.
wanna talk science,
ryangb
Sure.
well science would suggest that being homosexual would be a malfunction in the brains process of thinking,
ryangb
Wrong. Homosexuality is not a process of thinking.
where normally people are attracted to the opposite sex for reproductive purposes, there is a malfunction in the brain of a homosexual becuase they are not attracted to the opposite sex the way nature inttended them to be for the purpose of human survival, just like any other species,
ryangb
But other species also practice homosexuality. Or are you agreeing that homosexuality is natural?
so basically science would suggest that it is a retardation of the brain,
ryangb
Incorrect, "science" does not day that. I think you also need to search up what retardation means, because homosexuality does not fall under that definition either.
good try you primitive little prick even with your incredible and certainly impressive nearly uncomprehendable knowledge you failed to realize that your stupid little claim above pretty much supported what i was saying.
ryangb
Hey, insults make discussion fun! :)
sodomy is not natural,
ryangb
Sodomy is a human construct - it's got no basis in science.
Besides, mistakes in the genetic code are natural - so if sodomy was somehow the result of genetics, then that means sodomy is natural, especially since humans aren't the only ones who practice sodomy.
By the way, homosexuality is not entirely genetic - but it isn't a choice either.
and human biology, the subject that you are an apparent genius at, files down to two facts: men have "pee-pees" and women have "vag-vag" ever think there might be a reason for that?
ryangb
Really? So there is actually, one species in the entire world? Humans and say, platypuses are no different?
[QUOTE="Trashface"]These issues are supposed to be left up to individual states. California citizens said no, but the court showed complete inconsideration. What's next, the "right" for more than 2 people to marry? Marriage was a religious institution anyway. It's not so much that they want marriage, but more of a statement. yoshi-lnexYeah, it's kind of like in '48 when california showned complete inconsideration towards voters and made interacial marriage legal. Also marriage isn't owned by one religion.
I never stated that one religious owned it, but just that it was insituted by religion. These people care nothing about that aspect of it. They are trying to make a statement. This is not about race. The definition of marriage never stated that it could only be for people of the same race. It was created, however, for a man and a woman.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]*palm to face*
First off, I've seriously considered remaining single the rest of my life dispite the fact that my dream in life as always been to get married and have kids. I've thought about doing so in order that I could better devote my life to God. I'd never expect anything from others that I didn't expect from myself...
Why I don't agree with homosexual marriage? It's a perversion of what is morally correct...
I appreciate your insults btw... really helps in a debate I must say BlackAlpha666
Blame god, not homosexuals.
Actually, people have free will. If a man has an urge to kill, is it ok just because he felt like it? Why should we blame God when disobedience of his will is what caused the perversions? This thread should not get turned into a religious thread.
Besides that, in the context of evolution and natural selection, homosexuality is wrong. It is counter productive in society. This is from a purely evolutional stand point. It is against the natural process.
[QUOTE="Robertoey"]Well, it's a perversion that god intended to create then, as homosexuality is instilled in a person from birth.Etheral_Filcher
Nice.
And some have a tendancy towards violence. Then it's their responsibility to overcome it. Also, homosexuality can be cause by experiences as a child and upbringing. These are facts.
That's because alchoholism is an environmental factor. In the case of genetic gayhood . . . there was one steady mentioned in an issue of New Scientist that talked about how certain parts of the brain in homosexual were very similar that in women and vice-versa, and this was not present in heterosexuals. If that isn't biological, I don't know what is. That doesn't mean they have to enter homosexual relationships and get married however...[QUOTE="karriston"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="deepdreamer256"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] I doubt that to be true... And even if it might be, that doesn't mean you have to follow through with it. Alcoholism runs in my family... that doesn't mean I have to become an alcoholic however.
mindstorm
What? I'm slightly confused. I'm assuming you're a heterosexual male. You'd be attracted to a woman, and you wouldn't be attracted to a man. It's part of your biology to be attracted to women. It's part of a gay person's biology to be attracted to women. It isn't a choice, it's something that's biological. It's like saying you can choose how many fingers you can have. So a gay person loves another gay person, just because you don't agree with it (WHY you wouldn't agree with it, I don't know), they should NOT love eachother? So you would prefer they would be alone, since they cannot love a woman in the same way they love eachother? You would rather someone dies alone, without a partner, without someone to love, just because of something that wasn't their choice (homosexuality) happened to them? That beggars belief. Since your a Christian, I'm assuming you would want the best for everyone. Would you want someone to be alone for their entire life? Gay people have to enter a relationship for the same reason the rest of us do: Love. Youl ove a woman, you go out with her and eventually get married to her. The same goes for gay people.
*palm to face*
First off, I've seriously considered remaining single the rest of my life dispite the fact that my dream in life as always been to get married and have kids. I've thought about doing so in order that I could better devote my life to God. I'd never expect anything from others that I didn't expect from myself...
Why I don't agree with homosexual marriage? It's a perversion of what is morally correct...
I appreciate your insults btw... really helps in a debate I must say
You need to come to terms with religious decay. Like all other faiths, your faith will eventually disappear. It will eventually be a period piece for discussion in Theology courses. It may take 150 years or another 800 years, but it is certainly inevitable. The insults occur because many people no longer have the patience for religious dogma. Like I already said, you have a right to your personal opinion, as all people do. Validation of that opinion is another matter.
Good call on ignoring my response though. Focus on reactionary comments that allow you to simply reiterate your religious convictions, and you'll never have to reconsider anything, huh?
Serious question though. I don't expect to get an honest response, but I'll try anyway. Have you ever considered the history of religion and Christianity along with the way human culture shapes and informs religion? Do you ever consider th consequences of linguistic and ideological change on religious doctrine. Finally, do you subscribe to the modern/scholarly sect of Christian doctrine, or do you subscribe to the concept of The Holy Bible as the direct word of God with an acceptance of the various events of the bible as inarguable fact. For you, is the bible a metaphor that reflects Christian tenets, or fact accepted on faith? Curiousity never killed the cat.
P.S. You need to study Ethics before making grandiose statements about morality.
[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="ryangb"]hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.
wanna talk science, well science would suggest that being homosexual would be a malfunction in the brains process of thinking, where normally people are attracted to the opposite sex for reproductive purposes, there is a malfunction in the brain of a homosexual becuase they are not attracted to the opposite sex the way nature inttended them to be for the purpose of human survival, just like any other species, so basically science would suggest that it is a retardation of the brain, good try you primitive little prick even with your incredible and certainly impressive nearly uncomprehendable knowledge you failed to realize that your stupid little claim above pretty much supported what i was saying. sodomy is not natural, and human biology, the subject that you are an apparent genius at, files down to two facts: men have "pee-pees" and women have "vag-vag" ever think there might be a reason for that?
ryangb
So, by opposing homosexuality you think you can make nature stop turning people into homosexuals?
I got to admit that your reply about movies was pretty dumb. Movies influence people way more then homosexuals do.
are you kidding me? im outta here im tired of this, homosexuality is wrong, its not natural, god doesnt accept it, i will never accept it, i dont care what you people say, alright im out, stay hetero everyone
Wrong. "God" doesn't say anything, some old book does. If you want to base your beliefs and mrals off some collection of fairy tales written by ancient primitives with no knowledge of the world and out dated, crude laws and belefs, be my guest, but don't impose your bronze age views on gays, telling them they are evil and "sinners", and how they are not entitled to any rights or marriage, just because you believe they are "unnatural".Actually, people have free will. If a man has an urge to kill, is it ok just because he felt like it?
Trashface
No, because that violates the freedoms of another man. Thats what the Constitution is about, you should be able to do anything so as long as it does not harm another person.
Besides that, in the context of evolution and natural selection, homosexuality is wrong. It is counter productive in society. This is from a purely evolutional stand point. It is against the natural process.
Trashface
Both of these points are irrelevent. Society evolves, and mankind is in no danger of going extinct. Besides, you can't force a homosexual to be heterosexual. Banning gay marriage solves nothing.
[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]*palm to face*
First off, I've seriously considered remaining single the rest of my life dispite the fact that my dream in life as always been to get married and have kids. I've thought about doing so in order that I could better devote my life to God. I'd never expect anything from others that I didn't expect from myself...
Why I don't agree with homosexual marriage? It's a perversion of what is morally correct...
I appreciate your insults btw... really helps in a debate I must say Trashface
Blame god, not homosexuals.
Actually, people have free will. If a man has an urge to kill, is it ok just because he felt like it? Why should we blame God when disobedience of his will is what caused the perversions? This thread should not get turned into a religious thread.
Besides that, in the context of evolution and natural selection, homosexuality is wrong. It is counter productive in society. This is from a purely evolutional stand point. It is against the natural process.
Do not equate killing with homo-sexuality. Murder robs the victim of thier freedom and the right to live. Homo-sexuality does not, but denying homo-sexuals the right to marry does rob them of some of their freedoms.
[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]Blame god, not homosexuals.
Trashface
Actually, people have free will. If a man has an urge to kill, is it ok just because he felt like it? Why should we blame God when disobedience of his will is what caused the perversions? This thread should not get turned into a religious thread.
Besides that, in the context of evolution and natural selection, homosexuality is wrong. It is counter productive in society. This is from a purely evolutional stand point. It is against the natural process.
Are you saying that homosexuals are gay because they simply choose to become attracted to the same sex? Wasn't that kind of logic been proven wrong already?
Maybe it is, maybe it's not. We don't know why evolution happens. Hell, we don't even know whether evolution is real.
[QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="Robertoey"]Well, it's a perversion that god intended to create then, as homosexuality is instilled in a person from birth.Trashface
Nice.
And some have a tendancy towards violence. Then it's their responsibility to overcome it. Also, homosexuality can be cause by experiences as a child and upbringing. These are facts.
It's also a fact that there's no clear evidence that can support what you said directly. Scientists think it's most likely a combination of something that happens at birth and something that happens during childhood. They don't know exactly what. Either way, homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody, unlike uncontrolled rage/violence.
[QUOTE="YourChaosIsntMe"][QUOTE="ryangb"]hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.wanna talk science, well science would suggest that being homosexual would be a malfunction in the brains process of thinking, where normally people are attracted to the opposite sex for reproductive purposes, there is a malfunction in the brain of a homosexual becuase they are not attracted to the opposite sex the way nature inttended them to be for the purpose of human survival, just like any other species, so basically science would suggest that it is a retardation of the brain, good try you primitive little prick even with your incredible and certainly impressive nearly uncomprehendable knowledge you failed to realize that your stupid little claim above pretty much supported what i was saying. sodomy is not natural, and human biology, the subject that you are an apparent genius at, files down to two facts: men have "pee-pees" and women have "vag-vag" ever think there might be a reason for that?
ryangb
That's why I told you we weren't going to discuss "science." It's(sorry but correct literary skills would probably start out by identifying what "it" is.) not "science." It's(ditto) biology and genetics. Laymen always just call it(once again),science. I don't often use my academic vernacular on these forums for obvious reasons (if everyone on this forum is so academically under you, why not point out these reasons?) . No one (that's a pretty big claim, I am sure someone of intellegence has) that is actually intelligent uses a phrase like "big words." Why not say...a complex diction? You're just getting defensive because I insulted you instead of providing you with psychological validation for your crass pseudo-intelligent arrogance. You're not even good at being irreverent.
With your incredibly inept grammar skills, I failed to realize just what the hell you were trying to say. Either way, science may say that in simplistic terms. That is my major concern in this case. That is, the dilution of scientific data for consumption by laymen. This leads you to compound limited scientic (what's scientic?) knowledge with uninformed bias. This isn't a good combination.
Well being as intelligent as you are, I assumed that you would be smart enough to understand a piece writing even if the grammar wasn't perfect but I guess I was wrong. In any case let me reiterate myself. You are ignorant. You are probably a community college grad, who thinks that a degree and using "complex diction" makes you smart. But no doubt in all actuality it is extremely probable that you are living in a one bedroom, one bathroom apartment paying rent to a fat guy in a wife beater. Basically the last paragraph said that all your previous quote did, which, let me add, has admirable grammar and incredible "complex diction", was two things. First it re-enforced my claim that gay marriage is not natural, and second it re-enforced my claim that sodomy is wrong. For an intelligent guy you really are inane. Anyway, stay hetero. goodbye.
btw i made some literary corrections for you.
Worst post in the history of the internet.
Yeah, it's kind of like in '48 when california showned complete inconsideration towards voters and made interacial marriage legal. Also marriage isn't owned by one religion.[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"]These issues are supposed to be left up to individual states. California citizens said no, but the court showed complete inconsideration. What's next, the "right" for more than 2 people to marry? Marriage was a religious institution anyway. It's not so much that they want marriage, but more of a statement. Trashface
I never stated that one religious owned it, but just that it was insituted by religion. These people care nothing about that aspect of it. They are trying to make a statement. This is not about race. The definition of marriage never stated that it could only be for people of the same race. It was created, however, for a man and a woman.
On the previous page, I posted a response concerning precedents set by U.S. courts and cival or common law legal systems. Something may come to fruition in one capacity, but the progress of human culture broadens the purpose or inclusiveness of a given social construct.
I do agree with you though. There is little correlation between racism and heterosexism and the way they have respectively informed the dominant Christian and Eurocentric culture, and how both must be adressed.
[QUOTE="YourChaosIsntMe"][QUOTE="ryangb"]hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.wanna talk science, well science would suggest that being homosexual would be a malfunction in the brains process of thinking, where normally people are attracted to the opposite sex for reproductive purposes, there is a malfunction in the brain of a homosexual becuase they are not attracted to the opposite sex the way nature inttended them to be for the purpose of human survival, just like any other species, so basically science would suggest that it is a retardation of the brain, good try you primitive little prick even with your incredible and certainly impressive nearly uncomprehendable knowledge you failed to realize that your stupid little claim above pretty much supported what i was saying. sodomy is not natural, and human biology, the subject that you are an apparent genius at, files down to two facts: men have "pee-pees" and women have "vag-vag" ever think there might be a reason for that?
ryangb
That's why I told you we weren't going to discuss "science." It's(sorry but correct literary skills would probably start out by identifying what "it" is.) not "science." It's(ditto) biology and genetics. Laymen always just call it(once again),science. I don't often use my academic vernacular on these forums for obvious reasons (if everyone on this forum is so academically under you, why not point out these reasons?) . No one (that's a pretty big claim, I am sure someone of intellegence has) that is actually intelligent uses a phrase like "big words." Why not say...a complex diction? You're just getting defensive because I insulted you instead of providing you with psychological validation for your crass pseudo-intelligent arrogance. You're not even good at being irreverent.
With your incredibly inept grammar skills, I failed to realize just what the hell you were trying to say. Either way, science may say that in simplistic terms. That is my major concern in this case. That is, the dilution of scientific data for consumption by laymen. This leads you to compound limited scientic (what's scientic?) knowledge with uninformed bias. This isn't a good combination.
Well being as intelligent as you are, I assumed that you would be smart enough to understand a piece writing even if the grammar wasn't perfect but I guess I was wrong. In any case let me reiterate myself. You are ignorant. You are probably a community college grad, who thinks that a degree and using "complex diction" makes you smart. But no doubt in all actuality it is extremely probable that you are living in a one bedroom, one bathroom apartment paying rent to a fat guy in a wife beater. Basically the last paragraph said that all your previous quote did, which, let me add, has admirable grammar and incredible "complex diction", was two things. First it re-enforced my claim that gay marriage is not natural, and second it re-enforced my claim that sodomy is wrong. For an intelligent guy you really are inane. Anyway, stay hetero. goodbye.
btw i made some literary corrections for you.
Instead of assuming this and that about the guy, and blabbering on about how his good greammar doesn't make him smart, why don't you try refuting some of his arguments with some actual points?[QUOTE="ryangb"][QUOTE="YourChaosIsntMe"][QUOTE="ryangb"]hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.wanna talk science, well science would suggest that being homosexual would be a malfunction in the brains process of thinking, where normally people are attracted to the opposite sex for reproductive purposes, there is a malfunction in the brain of a homosexual becuase they are not attracted to the opposite sex the way nature inttended them to be for the purpose of human survival, just like any other species, so basically science would suggest that it is a retardation of the brain, good try you primitive little prick even with your incredible and certainly impressive nearly uncomprehendable knowledge you failed to realize that your stupid little claim above pretty much supported what i was saying. sodomy is not natural, and human biology, the subject that you are an apparent genius at, files down to two facts: men have "pee-pees" and women have "vag-vag" ever think there might be a reason for that?
ithilgore2006
That's why I told you we weren't going to discuss "science." It's(sorry but correct literary skills would probably start out by identifying what "it" is.) not "science." It's(ditto) biology and genetics. Laymen always just call it(once again),science. I don't often use my academic vernacular on these forums for obvious reasons (if everyone on this forum is so academically under you, why not point out these reasons?) . No one (that's a pretty big claim, I am sure someone of intellegence has) that is actually intelligent uses a phrase like "big words." Why not say...a complex diction? You're just getting defensive because I insulted you instead of providing you with psychological validation for your crass pseudo-intelligent arrogance. You're not even good at being irreverent.
With your incredibly inept grammar skills, I failed to realize just what the hell you were trying to say. Either way, science may say that in simplistic terms. That is my major concern in this case. That is, the dilution of scientific data for consumption by laymen. This leads you to compound limited scientic (what's scientic?) knowledge with uninformed bias. This isn't a good combination.
Well being as intelligent as you are, I assumed that you would be smart enough to understand a piece writing even if the grammar wasn't perfect but I guess I was wrong. In any case let me reiterate myself. You are ignorant. You are probably a community college grad, who thinks that a degree and using "complex diction" makes you smart. But no doubt in all actuality it is extremely probable that you are living in a one bedroom, one bathroom apartment paying rent to a fat guy in a wife beater. Basically the last paragraph said that all your previous quote did, which, let me add, has admirable grammar and incredible "complex diction", was two things. First it re-enforced my claim that gay marriage is not natural, and second it re-enforced my claim that sodomy is wrong. For an intelligent guy you really are inane. Anyway, stay hetero. goodbye.
btw i made some literary corrections for you.
Instead of assuming this and that about the guy, and blabbering on about how his good greammar doesn't make him smart, why don't you try refuting some of his arguments with some actual points?buh...buh...buh....he just uses teh big wurds. He is obviously wrong because I assume he is a community college grad who lives in a small apartment.
Didn't you know that you can only be right if you have gone to college for at least 4 years, and own a house??
[/sarcasm]
[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]*palm to face*
First off, I've seriously considered remaining single the rest of my life dispite the fact that my dream in life as always been to get married and have kids. I've thought about doing so in order that I could better devote my life to God. I'd never expect anything from others that I didn't expect from myself...
Why I don't agree with homosexual marriage? It's a perversion of what is morally correct...
I appreciate your insults btw... really helps in a debate I must say Trashface
Blame god, not homosexuals.
Actually, people have free will. If a man has an urge to kill, is it ok just because he felt like it? Why should we blame God when disobedience of his will is what caused the perversions? This thread should not get turned into a religious thread.
Besides that, in the context of evolution and natural selection, homosexuality is wrong. It is counter productive in society. This is from a purely evolutional stand point. It is against the natural process.
One could argue your second statement, while neither you or the second party (myself or otherwise) could come to an absolute conclusion. Homosexuality may very well be an aspect of natural selection and population control (though that would be a far-fetched assumption). All species exist to reproduce and pass on their genes, obviously, but with such a limited understanding of evolution and natural selection, we're not really afforded the right to make such conclusive statements, are we? More importantly, culturally informed concepts shouldn't be applied to scientific data/information. I think your choice of words undermines the ideas you're expressing.
[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]*palm to face*
First off, I've seriously considered remaining single the rest of my life dispite the fact that my dream in life as always been to get married and have kids. I've thought about doing so in order that I could better devote my life to God. I'd never expect anything from others that I didn't expect from myself...
Why I don't agree with homosexual marriage? It's a perversion of what is morally correct...
I appreciate your insults btw... really helps in a debate I must say Etheral_Filcher
Blame god, not homosexuals.
Actually, people have free will. If a man has an urge to kill, is it ok just because he felt like it? Why should we blame God when disobedience of his will is what caused the perversions? This thread should not get turned into a religious thread.
Besides that, in the context of evolution and natural selection, homosexuality is wrong. It is counter productive in society. This is from a purely evolutional stand point. It is against the natural process.
Do not equate killing with homo-sexuality. Murder robs the victim of thier freedom and the right to live. Homo-sexuality does not, but denying homo-sexuals the right to marry does rob them of some of their freedoms.
I was not equating the two. The simple point was that just because someone has an urge does not make it ok to follow through. that is fact.
[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"]Blame god, not homosexuals.
BlackAlpha666
Actually, people have free will. If a man has an urge to kill, is it ok just because he felt like it? Why should we blame God when disobedience of his will is what caused the perversions? This thread should not get turned into a religious thread.
Besides that, in the context of evolution and natural selection, homosexuality is wrong. It is counter productive in society. This is from a purely evolutional stand point. It is against the natural process.
Are you saying that homosexuals are gay because they simply choose to become attracted to the same sex? Wasn't that kind of logic been proven wrong already?
Maybe it is, maybe it's not. We don't know why evolution happens. Hell, we don't even know whether evolution is real.
[QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="Robertoey"]Well, it's a perversion that god intended to create then, as homosexuality is instilled in a person from birth.Trashface
Nice.
And some have a tendancy towards violence. Then it's their responsibility to overcome it. Also, homosexuality can be cause by experiences as a child and upbringing. These are facts.
It's also a fact that there's no clear evidence that can support what you said directly. Scientists think it's most likely a combination of something that happens at birth and something that happens during childhood. They don't know exactly what. Either way, homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody, unlike uncontrolled rage/violence.
Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.
see this is what happens when you dont go with gay marriage, jeez you guys dislike me more than i dislike gays.
ryangb
You brought it all on yourself. It's your own words that made people turn against you. The topic's subject hardly contributed to this. It's the way you say things that makes people dislike you.
Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.
Trashface
But AIDs is not a homosexual exclusive disease, that's why it's not called GRID anymore. Without adequate protection anyone can get AIDs.
[QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]*palm to face*
First off, I've seriously considered remaining single the rest of my life dispite the fact that my dream in life as always been to get married and have kids. I've thought about doing so in order that I could better devote my life to God. I'd never expect anything from others that I didn't expect from myself...
Why I don't agree with homosexual marriage? It's a perversion of what is morally correct...
I appreciate your insults btw... really helps in a debate I must say Trashface
Blame god, not homosexuals.
Actually, people have free will. If a man has an urge to kill, is it ok just because he felt like it? Why should we blame God when disobedience of his will is what caused the perversions? This thread should not get turned into a religious thread.
Besides that, in the context of evolution and natural selection, homosexuality is wrong. It is counter productive in society. This is from a purely evolutional stand point. It is against the natural process.
Do not equate killing with homo-sexuality. Murder robs the victim of thier freedom and the right to live. Homo-sexuality does not, but denying homo-sexuals the right to marry does rob them of some of their freedoms.
I was not equating the two. The simple point was that just because someone has an urge does not make it ok to follow through. that is fact.
That does not mean that acting upon homo-sexual urges is bad. If you hold the archaic belief that it is, could you please explain why?
[QUOTE="YourChaosIsntMe"][QUOTE="ryangb"]hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.wanna talk science, well science would suggest that being homosexual would be a malfunction in the brains process of thinking, where normally people are attracted to the opposite sex for reproductive purposes, there is a malfunction in the brain of a homosexual becuase they are not attracted to the opposite sex the way nature inttended them to be for the purpose of human survival, just like any other species, so basically science would suggest that it is a retardation of the brain, good try you primitive little prick even with your incredible and certainly impressive nearly uncomprehendable knowledge you failed to realize that your stupid little claim above pretty much supported what i was saying. sodomy is not natural, and human biology, the subject that you are an apparent genius at, files down to two facts: men have "pee-pees" and women have "vag-vag" ever think there might be a reason for that?
ryangb
That's why I told you we weren't going to discuss "science." It's(sorry but correct literary skills would probably start out by identifying what "it" is.) not "science." It's(ditto) biology and genetics. Laymen always just call it(once again),science. I don't often use my academic vernacular on these forums for obvious reasons (if everyone on this forum is so academically under you, why not point out these reasons?) . No one (that's a pretty big claim, I am sure someone of intellegence has) that is actually intelligent uses a phrase like "big words." Why not say...a complex diction? You're just getting defensive because I insulted you instead of providing you with psychological validation for your crass pseudo-intelligent arrogance. You're not even good at being irreverent.
With your incredibly inept grammar skills, I failed to realize just what the hell you were trying to say. Either way, science may say that in simplistic terms. That is my major concern in this case. That is, the dilution of scientific data for consumption by laymen. This leads you to compound limited scientic (what's scientic?) knowledge with uninformed bias. This isn't a good combination.
Well being as intelligent as you are, I assumed that you would be smart enough to understand a piece writing even if the grammar wasn't perfect but I guess I was wrong. In any case let me reiterate myself. You are ignorant. You are probably a community college grad, who thinks that a degree and using "complex diction" makes you smart. But no doubt in all actuality it is extremely probable that you are living in a one bedroom, one bathroom apartment paying rent to a fat guy in a wife beater. Basically the last paragraph said that all your previous quote did, which, let me add, has admirable grammar and incredible "complex diction", was two things. First it re-enforced my claim that gay marriage is not natural, and second it re-enforced my claim that sodomy is wrong. For an intelligent guy you really are inane. Anyway, stay hetero. goodbye.
btw i made some literary corrections for you.
I thought you were leaving? The uncouth are always predictable in both their habits and reactions.
First, reference to a subject as "it," its," "it's," or "it is" is considered informal, not incorrect. The use of pronouns without specific reference to the subject or noun in the previous sentence is only considered to be incorrect within academic discourse. Given the informal atmosphere of a Gamespot discussion board and my consistent reference to what "it" is renders your criticism inane; especially with my previous statement expressing the fact that I choose to avoid being overtly pedantic. Your recognition of my typo is beyond typical of your character. That wasn't very clever...it may have been if it wasn't obviously a typo.
For your information, I'm an SPC grad, which was originally a community college. This year I will be declaring my major in Economics with minors in Foreign Language and another undecided subject. After this, I will consider my options for graduate school. I would like to attend graduate school in France or England, but I am obviously considering my long-term options in the U.S. Given my major, NYU is a prime candidate for grad school in the continental U.S. Likewise, as I child I was always more interested in academics than social interaction. Thus I have a dedicated much of my life to education and knowledge. Good try though. I also live with my mother and girlfriend due to various circumstances. Upon receiving financial aid I will be moving closer to campus. In fact, I do not pay rent, which allows me to devote time to academics and financial planning. Unlike many people, I've never felt the adolescent compulsion to run away from my family as soon as I was of legal age. It isn't in my best interests.
The only thing that re-enforced your ideas is your own arrogance.
Does that answer all of your questions and criticisms?
Well, being as intelligent as you are(I think you meant to type: "Well, considering your intelligence") I assumed that you would be smart enough to(delete this; It is redundant) understand a piece writing even if the grammar wasn't(when typing, do not use colloquial terms or shortenings) perfect but I guess I was wrong. In any case let me reiterate myself(delete; more redundancy). You are ignorant. You are probably a community college graduate, who thinks that a degree and using "complex diction"("use of complex diction" is more appropriate :) ) makes you (replace this word with "one") smart. But no doubt in all actuality(delete this, or) it is extremely probable(this, but keep one) that you are living in a one-bedroom, one-bathroom apartment paying rent to a fat guy in a wifebeater (wifebeater is one word). Basically the last paragraph said that all your previous quote did, which, let me add, has admirable grammar and incredible "complex diction", was two things(Bad sentence structure, and much too long. Try "Your argument, though eloquent, is flawed"). First(delete) it reinforced my claim that gay marriage is not natural(try "unnatural"), and second it (replace with "and it also")reinforced my claim that sodomy is wrong. For an intelligent guy you really are inane. Anyway, stay heterosexual. Goodbye.
btw I made some literary and grammar corrections for you.
ryangb
What does his life have to do with making a point? Also, what does sodomy have to do with the legal system?
Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.
Trashface
That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?
[QUOTE="Trashface"]Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.
Ring_of_fire
But AIDs is not a homosexual exclusive disease, that's why it's not called GRID anymore. Without adequate protection anyone can get AIDs.
I never said it was exclusive. It is a fact that the gay lifestyle and nature of intercourse spreads it much, much faster.
[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]*palm to face*
First off, I've seriously considered remaining single the rest of my life dispite the fact that my dream in life as always been to get married and have kids. I've thought about doing so in order that I could better devote my life to God. I'd never expect anything from others that I didn't expect from myself...
Why I don't agree with homosexual marriage? It's a perversion of what is morally correct...
I appreciate your insults btw... really helps in a debate I must say Etheral_Filcher
Blame god, not homosexuals.
Actually, people have free will. If a man has an urge to kill, is it ok just because he felt like it? Why should we blame God when disobedience of his will is what caused the perversions? This thread should not get turned into a religious thread.
Besides that, in the context of evolution and natural selection, homosexuality is wrong. It is counter productive in society. This is from a purely evolutional stand point. It is against the natural process.
Do not equate killing with homo-sexuality. Murder robs the victim of thier freedom and the right to live. Homo-sexuality does not, but denying homo-sexuals the right to marry does rob them of some of their freedoms.
I was not equating the two. The simple point was that just because someone has an urge does not make it ok to follow through. that is fact.
That does not mean that acting upon homo-sexual urges is bad. If you hold the archaic belief that it is, could you please explain why?
It's your opinion that it's archaic in nature. I believe it's wrong for different reasons. The argument is that you're born that way, so it should be accepted. I was making the point that being born a certain way does not make it acceptable.
[QUOTE="Trashface"]Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.
BlackAlpha666
That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?
It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.[QUOTE="Etheral_Filcher"][QUOTE="ithilgore2006"][QUOTE="ryangb"][QUOTE="YourChaosIsntMe"][QUOTE="ryangb"]hahaha wow that really made me laugh you know who you remind me of? edgar allen poe why? becuase he is a man, just like you, who trully was not intellegent, but used big words and good language to make himself seem like he knew what he was talking about.wanna talk science, well science would suggest that being homosexual would be a malfunction in the brains process of thinking, where normally people are attracted to the opposite sex for reproductive purposes, there is a malfunction in the brain of a homosexual becuase they are not attracted to the opposite sex the way nature inttended them to be for the purpose of human survival, just like any other species, so basically science would suggest that it is a retardation of the brain, good try you primitive little prick even with your incredible and certainly impressive nearly uncomprehendable knowledge you failed to realize that your stupid little claim above pretty much supported what i was saying. sodomy is not natural, and human biology, the subject that you are an apparent genius at, files down to two facts: men have "pee-pees" and women have "vag-vag" ever think there might be a reason for that?
ryangb
That's why I told you we weren't going to discuss "science." It's(sorry but correct literary skills would probably start out by identifying what "it" is.) not "science." It's(ditto) biology and genetics. Laymen always just call it(once again),science. I don't often use my academic vernacular on these forums for obvious reasons (if everyone on this forum is so academically under you, why not point out these reasons?) . No one (that's a pretty big claim, I am sure someone of intellegence has) that is actually intelligent uses a phrase like "big words." Why not say...a complex diction? You're just getting defensive because I insulted you instead of providing you with psychological validation for your crass pseudo-intelligent arrogance. You're not even good at being irreverent.
With your incredibly inept grammar skills, I failed to realize just what the hell you were trying to say. Either way, science may say that in simplistic terms. That is my major concern in this case. That is, the dilution of scientific data for consumption by laymen. This leads you to compound limited scientic (what's scientic?) knowledge with uninformed bias. This isn't a good combination.
Well being as intelligent as you are, I assumed that you would be smart enough to understand a piece writing even if the grammar wasn't perfect but I guess I was wrong. In any case let me reiterate myself. You are ignorant. You are probably a community college grad, who thinks that a degree and using "complex diction" makes you smart. But no doubt in all actuality it is extremely probable that you are living in a one bedroom, one bathroom apartment paying rent to a fat guy in a wife beater. Basically the last paragraph said that all your previous quote did, which, let me add, has admirable grammar and incredible "complex diction", was two things. First it re-enforced my claim that gay marriage is not natural, and second it re-enforced my claim that sodomy is wrong. For an intelligent guy you really are inane. Anyway, stay hetero. goodbye.
btw i made some literary corrections for you.
Instead of assuming this and that about the guy, and blabbering on about how his good greammar doesn't make him smart, why don't you try refuting some of his arguments with some actual points?buh...buh...buh....he just uses teh big wurds. He is obviously wrong because I assume he is a community college grad who lives in a small apartment.
Didn't you know that you can only be right if you have gone to college for at least 4 years, and own a house??
see this is what happens when you dont go with gay marriage, jeez you guys dislike me more than i dislike gays.
I'd say you're disliked because you're abrasive, rude and unpleasant, mainly.[QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.
Trashface
That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?
It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.No, it's not. How do they harm society?
[QUOTE="MagnumPI"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"]Well im gay and i think i deserve every right to marry. Just because im gay shouldnt mean i have less privlages than everybody else. Its bad enough that we have to be "saved" :roll:oldogg
I didn't want to know that, it's creepy. It's always creepy when someone announces it, it triggers thoughts of fictional yet horrifying sexual encounters.
grow the **** up. do people announcing theyre straight trigger thoughts of rape too?
if you can't handle someone pointing something out about themselves that pertains to the subject, you shouldnt take part in public discussions.
Oh, that's just rude now. Come on. The word gay means man having sex with man. Gay = man having sex with man just as 2+ 2 = 4. You say 2+2 and I think 4. So when you say gay I think gay = man + man. Why else would someone else use the word gay That's why you use it. I never mentioned rape. That's your thought.
I propose we replace the word gay with boobs. Because then it will be pleasant for everyone. Because if boobs also meant gay you would say "I'm boobs" I would understand but my mind wouldn't be filled with images of men assassinating ass. my mind would be filled with the thought of large breasts jiggling and swaying. And I'm positive I wouldn't hear anything else after "I'm Boobs." I would be too caught up in a booby fantasy to care.
Maybe I feel this topic warrants immaturity because maybe I don't feel it's a mature question. It doesn't matter if it's accepted or not. Some places it's legal and some not.
You take your discussions too seriously, you take life too seriously. I'd rather be entertained than frustrate myself expressing my opinions in delusion as if they mean something. Nobody cares. Here's what happens. They're stubborn and opinionated so they don't agree with each other therefore they argue with each other. Arguments are always between people that won't get over their own opinions. The subject is never important. They have to be right and that's all that matters. They have to get the last word in. It's not about being right. They think the last person to speak is the winner. So really it's not even about the subject matter, it's just some perverse contest.
You all over look some things. Why do think public displays of affection are illegal in most places? Because nobody wants to see two gay guys huggin on each other and kissing each other. It's disturbing.
I can just see it... two gay guys are gonna go running around pressing their wedding bands together like they are the wonder twins "GAY ACTIVATE!"
Ultimately I just don't care. Why should I. "Ooh... we're gay and we are married" I don't care, just you know... keep it to yourself. Personaly I think they are mental or something. Not because they are gay because they want to get married yet they are not obligated to do so. I think it's just a FAD. People who are like 70 are getting married. WTF? At that point why bother?
But out of fairness I'm not fanciful, I'm systematic, I'm an operator. My personality is economical, methodical, practical, tactical. I may see no need for something or I may see no practical reason for what they want, but I'm not going to tell them what they want. I may suggest but they want what they want and that is their affair.
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