Do u accept g@y marriage?

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#401 yoshi-lnex
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Well, homosexuality is genetically caused, science has held that genetics or development in the womb cause homosexuality. and the bible doesn't mention anything about gay marriage being a sin, nor does it with homosexuality, a few passages that are difficult to interpret in their dialect are used to justify calling it immoral. But honestly, if you don't like it, why can't you just leave people alone to do their own thing if they so chose? Isn't America supposed to be about personal freedom after all?
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No, I do NOT accept it. It is sinful, immoral, sick, and perverted. Marriage is only between one MAN and one WOMAN. Anything else is immoral, sick, perverted, and an abomination to God.

Crushmaster

It seems many of the people who oppose gay marriage are religious christians. Where does their dogma of anti-gay sentiments come from? The Bible? If so, the Bible is a lame place to derive any sort of moral code. It should have no authority over modern day social issues when it's credbility is so weak.

There are issues of accuracy, translation, context, how the Bible is subjectively interpreted by the reader, and more. All these things contribute to the erosion of the authority of whatever "moral code" people so adamantly insist God lays out in the Bible.

But, if you want to use god to justify your opinions, go ahead.

To paraphrase what Ayn Rand once said: "If somebody tells you that your doctrine doesn't make sense - you're ready for him. You tell him there's something better than sense. That he must not try to think, he must believe. Throw reason out the window and you can play it deuces wild."

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[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"]These issues are supposed to be left up to individual states. California citizens said no, but the court showed complete inconsideration. What's next, the "right" for more than 2 people to marry? Marriage was a religious institution anyway. It's not so much that they want marriage, but more of a statement. MindFreeze

Yeah, it's kind of like in '48 when california showned complete inconsideration towards voters and made interacial marriage legal. Also marriage isn't owned by one religion.

I never stated that one religious owned it, but just that it was insituted by religion. These people care nothing about that aspect of it. They are trying to make a statement. This is not about race. The definition of marriage never stated that it could only be for people of the same race. It was created, however, for a man and a woman.

Actually it was first used in the west by romans, and it allowed same sex marriages. and actually this situation, and people being opposed to interacial marriage are incredibly similar, in both cases we have groups that are not allowed to marry despite the reason them not being allowed to marry being something genetically caused, and public bigotries against them.

Next its going to be okay to marry animals, then children. Its gotta stop somewhere.

Are you kidding me? First of all, we are animals, so animals are already getting married. But what I think you mean is animals other than humans. Since when are homosexuals not human? They are able to love another human (of the same sex in this case) and decide they want to get married like any other human. How can you even logically see that as an outcome? Gay marriage has been allowed for a while in my country (the Netherlands.) Anyone here who doesn't have a screwed up head would never do the things you think would come next.

I cant recall the last time I saw a elephant having tea and driving a car or any other animal for that matter.

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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"]These issues are supposed to be left up to individual states. California citizens said no, but the court showed complete inconsideration. What's next, the "right" for more than 2 people to marry? Marriage was a religious institution anyway. It's not so much that they want marriage, but more of a statement. SylentButDeadly

Yeah, it's kind of like in '48 when california showned complete inconsideration towards voters and made interacial marriage legal. Also marriage isn't owned by one religion.

I never stated that one religious owned it, but just that it was insituted by religion. These people care nothing about that aspect of it. They are trying to make a statement. This is not about race. The definition of marriage never stated that it could only be for people of the same race. It was created, however, for a man and a woman.

Actually it was first used in the west by romans, and it allowed same sex marriages. and actually this situation, and people being opposed to interacial marriage are incredibly similar, in both cases we have groups that are not allowed to marry despite the reason them not being allowed to marry being something genetically caused, and public bigotries against them.

Next its going to be okay to marry animals, then children. Its gotta stop somewhere.

Are you kidding me? First of all, we are animals, so animals are already getting married. But what I think you mean is animals other than humans. Since when are homosexuals not human? They are able to love another human (of the same sex in this case) and decide they want to get married like any other human. How can you even logically see that as an outcome? Gay marriage has been allowed for a while in my country (the Netherlands.) Anyone here who doesn't have a screwed up head would never do the things you think would come next.

I cant recall the last time I saw a elephant having tea and driving a car or any other animal for that matter.

Mr.Bush!!! Is that you?

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Sure.
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its a changing world. yes i do support. nothing wrong with it
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#407 Ring_of_fire
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It is interesting to note that every civilization that's ever accepted this had been wiped out...America, I believe, if it keeps this up, will be added to the list, as well.
Also, in the Bible, the cities Sodom and Gommorrah were destroyed greatly in part because of things like this.

yoshi-lnex

Ah yes I'm sure it was the major reason those civilizations aren't around any more...

lol, it's recognized in spain and finland, and the 4 horseman haven't exactly shown up there.

and Canada, and South Africa.

South Africa.......

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#408 Ring_of_fire
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Are you saying gay men and gay women are less than humans in that statement? Cause unless there's a marriage thing after what you wrote, I believe gay men are still men, and lesbians are still women.

Allowing gay marriage doen't do as much harm as say, divorce.

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although it's against my religion, i don't really care whether someone is gay or not, it's their choice.
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#410 aeontheflux
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I felt compelled to write a message for this thread, in refute of what one other person said earlier. No, homosexuality is not genetically caused, but it does have genetic indications that can influence a person's later sexuality. That's all we can say with certainty. As a psychology major, I hope to get a PHD in this field, so I feel I should clear up some misconceptions. There is a correlation to a male's sexuality depending on which child he is in the family. The myth of the younger child being more prone to being homosexual has some truth in it. When a child is in the womb, it's hormones correspond with that of the mother, and in this delicate environment a person's brain is formed but not completed. An interesting thing that occurs during this stage is that the more male children a woman has, the more testosterone residue will be left in her body while they form. Because of this, after her second or third male child, she has excess testosterone that stays within her, and her body can actually reject this testosterone while the child is still forming. This can lead to a male being formed in the womb with a 'woman brain.' Literally studies show that the brain of a homosexual male is most similar to that of a heterosexual female. It is not a case of wrong brain wrong body however, as not every third or 4th male child is homosexual, it is just a slight positive correlation. Just thought I would clear that up.

On the topic of gay marriage, I whole heartedly agree with homosexual unions. If church and state are seperate, as they are ment to be as stated by the Bill of Rights, then the state can never force the church to sanctify gay marriage. A union, both financial and of property could be created as a compromise by the government to satisfy homosexual marriage requirements. So they would not be married by the church, but they would be recognized as marriage by the state. This sort of marriage I can agree with, as I believe that every adult, regardless of race, religion, creed of preference has the human right to be happy.

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Next its going to be okay to marry animals, then children. Its gotta stop somewhere.

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That is flawed reasoning. Animals and children can't give consent.

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No, I do NOT accept it. It is sinful, immoral, sick, and perverted. Marriage is only between one MAN and one WOMAN. Anything else is immoral, sick, perverted, and an abomination to God.

Crushmaster

Why is it any of those things? Because some old, outdated book said so? Way to use your brain there, keep broonze age beliefs and attitudes alive in the modern world, instead of moving on like the rest of us.

Can you give any even vague reason why it is any of the following things: sinful, immoral, sick, perverted? Without using "the bible says so" as a reason, as that is not a valid argument on any level.

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

yoshi-lnex

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Well, homosexuality is genetically caused, science has held that genetics or development in the womb cause homosexuality. and the bible doesn't mention anything about gay marriage being a sin, nor does it with homosexuality, a few passages that are difficult to interpret in their dialect are used to justify calling it immoral. But honestly, if you don't like it, why can't you just leave people alone to do their own thing if they so chose? Isn't America supposed to be about personal freedom after all?


Difficult to interpret? (1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
Homosexuality is NOT "genetically caused". It is an unnatural, sick, and completely against God.
Homosexuality is black and white and a choice. You are not born homosexual. It is a choice to be...or not to be.
There are no shades of gray on this issue. It's either right...or wrong.
And I say and know it's wrong.

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No, I do NOT accept it. It is sinful, immoral, sick, and perverted. Marriage is only between one MAN and one WOMAN. Anything else is immoral, sick, perverted, and an abomination to God.

ithilgore2006

Why is it any of those things? Because some old, outdated book said so? Way to use your brain there, keep broonze age beliefs and attitudes alive in the modern world, instead of moving on like the rest of us.

Can you give any even vague reason why it is any of the following things: sinful, immoral, sick, perverted? Without using "the bible says so" as a reason, as that is not a valid argument on any level.

Are personal morals and values an acceptable reason for one having one's own opinion?
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]


It is interesting to note that every civilization that's ever accepted this had been wiped out...America, I believe, if it keeps this up, will be added to the list, as well.
Also, in the Bible, the cities Sodom and Gommorrah were destroyed greatly in part because of things like this.

Ring_of_fire

Ah yes I'm sure it was the major reason those civilizations aren't around any more...

lol, it's recognized in spain and finland, and the 4 horseman haven't exactly shown up there.

and Canada, and South Africa.

South Africa.......


Which, I might add, are two very weak and not particularly powerful or prosperous nations.
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No, I do NOT accept it. It is sinful, immoral, sick, and perverted. Marriage is only between one MAN and one WOMAN. Anything else is immoral, sick, perverted, and an abomination to God.

Floptastic_Mac

It seems many of the people who oppose gay marriage are religious christians. Where does their dogma of anti-gay sentiments come from? The Bible? If so, the Bible is a lame place to derive any sort of moral code. It should have no authority over modern day social issues when it's credbility is so weak.

There are issues of accuracy, translation, context, how the Bible is subjectively interpreted by the reader, and more. All these things contribute to the erosion of the authority of whatever "moral code" people so adamantly insist God lays out in the Bible.

But, if you want to use god to justify your opinions, go ahead.

To paraphrase what Ayn Rand once said: "If somebody tells you that your doctrine doesn't make sense - you're ready for him. You tell him there's something better than sense. That he must not try to think, he must believe. Throw reason out the window and you can play it deuces wild."


I can hardly call a book that's been proven correct countless times a book with low credibility.
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[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]


It is interesting to note that every civilization that's ever accepted this had been wiped out...America, I believe, if it keeps this up, will be added to the list, as well.
Also, in the Bible, the cities Sodom and Gommorrah were destroyed greatly in part because of things like this.

Crushmaster

Ah yes I'm sure it was the major reason those civilizations aren't around any more...

lol, it's recognized in spain and finland, and the 4 horseman haven't exactly shown up there.

and Canada, and South Africa.

South Africa.......


Which, I might add, are two very weak and not particularly powerful or prosperous nations.

No, Canada is very prosperous for the most part and South Africa has had issues for a long time, due to apartheid not homosexual marriage.

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#418 Oriental_Jams
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[QUOTE="Floptastic_Mac"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]


No, I do NOT accept it. It is sinful, immoral, sick, and perverted. Marriage is only between one MAN and one WOMAN. Anything else is immoral, sick, perverted, and an abomination to God.

Crushmaster

It seems many of the people who oppose gay marriage are religious christians. Where does their dogma of anti-gay sentiments come from? The Bible? If so, the Bible is a lame place to derive any sort of moral code. It should have no authority over modern day social issues when it's credbility is so weak.

There are issues of accuracy, translation, context, how the Bible is subjectively interpreted by the reader, and more. All these things contribute to the erosion of the authority of whatever "moral code" people so adamantly insist God lays out in the Bible.

But, if you want to use god to justify your opinions, go ahead.

To paraphrase what Ayn Rand once said: "If somebody tells you that your doctrine doesn't make sense - you're ready for him. You tell him there's something better than sense. That he must not try to think, he must believe. Throw reason out the window and you can play it deuces wild."


I can hardly call a book that's been proven correct countless times a book with low credibility.

What exactly happened to love thy neighbour?

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god created adam and then eve.......

why did'nt he created sam ,john ,greg ,steven , or walter ????

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god created adam and then eve.......

why did'nt he created sam ,john ,greg ,steven , or walter ????

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Ring_of_fire

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Are you saying gay men and gay women are less than humans in that statement? Cause unless there's a marriage thing after what you wrote, I believe gay men are still men, and lesbians are still women.

Allowing gay marriage doen't do as much harm as say, divorce.


Wrong is wrong. That's simple. And homosexuality is wrong.
And, yes, divorce is wrong, as well. Both of the two issues are covered in the Bible quite clearly.
(1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
(Matthew 5:31-32) - "It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: {32} But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."
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Do I accept it? The way that's worded, I guess I have no choice but to "accept" b/c there isn't much I can do to stop it. But do I agree with it? No.
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The Gov. cant let them marry. It would show that the Gov. is taking a pro gay anti Christian Ect Ect, stance. Its like if the Gov. all of a sudden said that Christmas was a holiday for muffins and peanut butter.SylentButDeadly

All this discrimination must be making the founding fathers spin in their graves.
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Well, homosexuality is genetically caused, science has held that genetics or development in the womb cause homosexuality. and the bible doesn't mention anything about gay marriage being a sin, nor does it with homosexuality, a few passages that are difficult to interpret in their dialect are used to justify calling it immoral. But honestly, if you don't like it, why can't you just leave people alone to do their own thing if they so chose? Isn't America supposed to be about personal freedom after all?


Difficult to interpret? (1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
Homosexuality is NOT "genetically caused". It is an unnatural, sick, and completely against God.
Homosexuality is black and white and a choice. You are not born homosexual. It is a choice to be...or not to be.
There are no shades of gray on this issue. It's either right...or wrong.
And I say and know it's wrong.

lol, there's plenty of scientific evidence suggesting homosexuality is not something we can control, it's not a choice people are born like that, the evidence is pretty clear on the subject, so in reality being hateful towards somebody who is homosexual or just unaccepting is not much different than hating or not accepting a paticular race. Anyway, "sick" is just a matter of personal opinion.

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Source 2

It is kind of funny how you altered the text of that passage slightly, here's the original text; "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

And I know that discriminating against somebody because of the way they were born is wrong.

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[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]The Gov. cant let them marry. It would show that the Gov. is taking a pro gay anti Christian Ect Ect, stance. Its like if the Gov. all of a sudden said that Christmas was a holiday for muffins and peanut butter.foxhound_fox

All this discrimination must be making the founding fathers spin in their graves.

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god created adam and then eve.......

why did'nt he created sam ,john ,greg ,steven , or walter ????

asad_azam

If God doesn't like homosexuality then why doesn't he just come down and fix the homosexuals for them? I thought he was all-loving and wanted the best for everyone?
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[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]The Gov. cant let them marry. It would show that the Gov. is taking a pro gay anti Christian Ect Ect, stance. Its like if the Gov. all of a sudden said that Christmas was a holiday for muffins and peanut butter.foxhound_fox

All this discrimination must be making the founding fathers spin in their graves.


I hope you're being sarcastic, because I can pretty much guarantee the founding fathers would be completely against homosexuality, as well.
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Yep. Doesn't affect me.Engrish_Major

exactly.

if you have your own beliefs, fine...dont marry a gay person. I can totally understand why people dont support gay marriage. But do not force those beliefs on other people. Sometimes ignorance can actually be a good thing so, just ignore it.

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I hope you're being sarcastic, because I can pretty much guarantee the founding fathers would be completely against homosexuality, as well.Crushmaster

Considering how non-religious, secular and progressive they were I highly doubt that. Jefferson had a quote that was cut up recently by Bush that had the line "monkish ignorance" in it taken out. The founding fathers, if still alive, would not stand for this discrimination against homosexuals.
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

yoshi-lnex

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Well, homosexuality is genetically caused, science has held that genetics or development in the womb cause homosexuality. and the bible doesn't mention anything about gay marriage being a sin, nor does it with homosexuality, a few passages that are difficult to interpret in their dialect are used to justify calling it immoral. But honestly, if you don't like it, why can't you just leave people alone to do their own thing if they so chose? Isn't America supposed to be about personal freedom after all?


Difficult to interpret? (1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
Homosexuality is NOT "genetically caused". It is an unnatural, sick, and completely against God.
Homosexuality is black and white and a choice. You are not born homosexual. It is a choice to be...or not to be.
There are no shades of gray on this issue. It's either right...or wrong.
And I say and know it's wrong.

lol, there's plenty of scientific evidence suggesting homosexuality is not something we can control, it's not a choice people are born like that, the evidence is pretty clear on the subject, so in reality being hateful towards somebody who is homosexual or just unaccepting is not much different than hating or not accepting a paticular race. Anyway, "sick" is just a matter of personal opinion.

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It is kind of funny how you altered the text of that passage slightly, here's the original text; "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

And I know that discriminating against somebody because of the way they were born is wrong.


Interesting. "Nor effiminate".
They are not born that way - it, like murder or any other sin, is one thing: a choice.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]The Gov. cant let them marry. It would show that the Gov. is taking a pro gay anti Christian Ect Ect, stance. Its like if the Gov. all of a sudden said that Christmas was a holiday for muffins and peanut butter.Crushmaster

All this discrimination must be making the founding fathers spin in their graves.


I hope you're being sarcastic, because I can pretty much guarantee the founding fathers would be completely against homosexuality, as well.

I don't hope you think we haven't progressed in so many years.

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[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Are you saying gay men and gay women are less than humans in that statement? Cause unless there's a marriage thing after what you wrote, I believe gay men are still men, and lesbians are still women.

Allowing gay marriage doen't do as much harm as say, divorce.


Wrong is wrong. That's simple. And homosexuality is wrong.
And, yes, divorce is wrong, as well. Both of the two issues are covered in the Bible quite clearly.
(1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
(Matthew 5:31-32) - "It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: {32} But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

Let's go passage by passage;


The first one you changed slightly to suit your needs. Here's the original context. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

the second has to do with divorce and adultery, not homosexuality.

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[QUOTE="asad_azam"]god created adam and then eve.......

why did'nt he created sam ,john ,greg ,steven , or walter ????

foxhound_fox

If God doesn't like homosexuality then why doesn't he just come down and fix the homosexuals for them? I thought he was all-loving and wanted the best for everyone?

It is not God who allows children to starve while we throw away thousands of tons of food every year. The violence, disparity, and suffering in this world is allowed by mankind.
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Well, homosexuality is genetically caused, science has held that genetics or development in the womb cause homosexuality. and the bible doesn't mention anything about gay marriage being a sin, nor does it with homosexuality, a few passages that are difficult to interpret in their dialect are used to justify calling it immoral. But honestly, if you don't like it, why can't you just leave people alone to do their own thing if they so chose? Isn't America supposed to be about personal freedom after all?


Difficult to interpret? (1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
Homosexuality is NOT "genetically caused". It is an unnatural, sick, and completely against God.
Homosexuality is black and white and a choice. You are not born homosexual. It is a choice to be...or not to be.
There are no shades of gray on this issue. It's either right...or wrong.
And I say and know it's wrong.

lol, there's plenty of scientific evidence suggesting homosexuality is not something we can control, it's not a choice people are born like that, the evidence is pretty clear on the subject, so in reality being hateful towards somebody who is homosexual or just unaccepting is not much different than hating or not accepting a paticular race. Anyway, "sick" is just a matter of personal opinion.

Source 1

Source 2

It is kind of funny how you altered the text of that passage slightly, here's the original text; "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

And I know that discriminating against somebody because of the way they were born is wrong.


Interesting. "Nor effiminate".
They are not born that way - it, like murder or any other sin, is one thing: a choice.


Another thing: We were all born with a natural want to sin. Does that mean we shouldn't be against people, then, for murder, robbery, or any other sin?
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Well, homosexuality is genetically caused, science has held that genetics or development in the womb cause homosexuality. and the bible doesn't mention anything about gay marriage being a sin, nor does it with homosexuality, a few passages that are difficult to interpret in their dialect are used to justify calling it immoral. But honestly, if you don't like it, why can't you just leave people alone to do their own thing if they so chose? Isn't America supposed to be about personal freedom after all?


Difficult to interpret? (1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
Homosexuality is NOT "genetically caused". It is an unnatural, sick, and completely against God.
Homosexuality is black and white and a choice. You are not born homosexual. It is a choice to be...or not to be.
There are no shades of gray on this issue. It's either right...or wrong.
And I say and know it's wrong.

lol, there's plenty of scientific evidence suggesting homosexuality is not something we can control, it's not a choice people are born like that, the evidence is pretty clear on the subject, so in reality being hateful towards somebody who is homosexual or just unaccepting is not much different than hating or not accepting a paticular race. Anyway, "sick" is just a matter of personal opinion.

Source 1

Source 2

It is kind of funny how you altered the text of that passage slightly, here's the original text; "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

And I know that discriminating against somebody because of the way they were born is wrong.


Interesting. "Nor effiminate".
They are not born that way - it, like murder or any other sin, is one thing: a choice.

You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex.
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Do I accept/agree with it? Definitely not. Do I care what they do with their lives? No, I don't. If they want to get married it doesn't bother me, I just don't agree with it.
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Well, homosexuality is genetically caused, science has held that genetics or development in the womb cause homosexuality. and the bible doesn't mention anything about gay marriage being a sin, nor does it with homosexuality, a few passages that are difficult to interpret in their dialect are used to justify calling it immoral. But honestly, if you don't like it, why can't you just leave people alone to do their own thing if they so chose? Isn't America supposed to be about personal freedom after all?


Difficult to interpret? (1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
Homosexuality is NOT "genetically caused". It is an unnatural, sick, and completely against God.
Homosexuality is black and white and a choice. You are not born homosexual. It is a choice to be...or not to be.
There are no shades of gray on this issue. It's either right...or wrong.
And I say and know it's wrong.

lol, there's plenty of scientific evidence suggesting homosexuality is not something we can control, it's not a choice people are born like that, the evidence is pretty clear on the subject, so in reality being hateful towards somebody who is homosexual or just unaccepting is not much different than hating or not accepting a paticular race. Anyway, "sick" is just a matter of personal opinion.

Source 1

Source 2

It is kind of funny how you altered the text of that passage slightly, here's the original text; "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

And I know that discriminating against somebody because of the way they were born is wrong.


Interesting. "Nor effiminate".
They are not born that way - it, like murder or any other sin, is one thing: a choice.

Please make the choice to be gay Get into a gay relationship for more than 5 years. Then, maybe you'll understand it isn;t a choice, because you can't do it

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Well, homosexuality is genetically caused, science has held that genetics or development in the womb cause homosexuality. and the bible doesn't mention anything about gay marriage being a sin, nor does it with homosexuality, a few passages that are difficult to interpret in their dialect are used to justify calling it immoral. But honestly, if you don't like it, why can't you just leave people alone to do their own thing if they so chose? Isn't America supposed to be about personal freedom after all?


Difficult to interpret? (1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
Homosexuality is NOT "genetically caused". It is an unnatural, sick, and completely against God.
Homosexuality is black and white and a choice. You are not born homosexual. It is a choice to be...or not to be.
There are no shades of gray on this issue. It's either right...or wrong.
And I say and know it's wrong.

lol, there's plenty of scientific evidence suggesting homosexuality is not something we can control, it's not a choice people are born like that, the evidence is pretty clear on the subject, so in reality being hateful towards somebody who is homosexual or just unaccepting is not much different than hating or not accepting a paticular race. Anyway, "sick" is just a matter of personal opinion.

Source 1

Source 2

It is kind of funny how you altered the text of that passage slightly, here's the original text; "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

And I know that discriminating against somebody because of the way they were born is wrong.


Interesting. "Nor effiminate".
They are not born that way - it, like murder or any other sin, is one thing: a choice.


Another thing: We were all born with a natural want to sin. Does that mean we shouldn't be against people, then, for murder, robbery, or any other sin?

robbery and murder hurt others, homosexuality can be kept between couples.
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Well, homosexuality is genetically caused, science has held that genetics or development in the womb cause homosexuality. and the bible doesn't mention anything about gay marriage being a sin, nor does it with homosexuality, a few passages that are difficult to interpret in their dialect are used to justify calling it immoral. But honestly, if you don't like it, why can't you just leave people alone to do their own thing if they so chose? Isn't America supposed to be about personal freedom after all?


Difficult to interpret? (1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
Homosexuality is NOT "genetically caused". It is an unnatural, sick, and completely against God.
Homosexuality is black and white and a choice. You are not born homosexual. It is a choice to be...or not to be.
There are no shades of gray on this issue. It's either right...or wrong.
And I say and know it's wrong.

lol, there's plenty of scientific evidence suggesting homosexuality is not something we can control, it's not a choice people are born like that, the evidence is pretty clear on the subject, so in reality being hateful towards somebody who is homosexual or just unaccepting is not much different than hating or not accepting a paticular race. Anyway, "sick" is just a matter of personal opinion.

Source 1

Source 2

It is kind of funny how you altered the text of that passage slightly, here's the original text; "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

And I know that discriminating against somebody because of the way they were born is wrong.


Interesting. "Nor effiminate".
They are not born that way - it, like murder or any other sin, is one thing: a choice.


Another thing: We were all born with a natural want to sin. Does that mean we shouldn't be against people, then, for murder, robbery, or any other sin?

Your or any other person's religion should never be used to decide whether something is allowed or not that concerns people of all different backgrounds, no matter what it says in your religious scripture or what your parents told you before you could even think for yourself. If you are going to propose why something shouldn't be allowed, give examples of real observable negative effects of it, rather than (mis)quoting a book based on a society 2000 years ago.

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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]The Gov. cant let them marry. It would show that the Gov. is taking a pro gay anti Christian Ect Ect, stance. Its like if the Gov. all of a sudden said that Christmas was a holiday for muffins and peanut butter.Oriental_Jams


All this discrimination must be making the founding fathers spin in their graves.


I hope you're being sarcastic, because I can pretty much guarantee the founding fathers would be completely against homosexuality, as well.

I don't hope you think we haven't progressed in so many years.

to be fair, I think they'd also be against minorities and women voting or having equal rights to white men.
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Yep, accept and support.
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

yoshi-lnex

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Are you saying gay men and gay women are less than humans in that statement? Cause unless there's a marriage thing after what you wrote, I believe gay men are still men, and lesbians are still women.

Allowing gay marriage doen't do as much harm as say, divorce.


Wrong is wrong. That's simple. And homosexuality is wrong.
And, yes, divorce is wrong, as well. Both of the two issues are covered in the Bible quite clearly.
(1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
(Matthew 5:31-32) - "It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: {32} But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

Let's go passage by passage;


The first one you changed slightly to suit your needs. Here's the original context. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

the second has to do with divorce and adultery, not homosexuality.


I know the second one has to do with divorce. I posted it because I said both of the issues are covered quite clearly in the Bible.
Now, let's look up the word effeminate (Taken directly from the American Heritage Dictionary):
Effeminate: 1. Having qualities or characteristics more often associated with women than men. See Synonyms at feminine. 2. Characterized by weakness and excessive refinement. Also:
1. (adj.) Of or relating to homosexuals or homosexuality:
homosexual
That is only one of the results for the word. All of them meaning homosexual.
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I'm not a huge fan of homosexuality. Genetic_Code

You realize, that's like saying "I'm not a huge fan of black people" or "I'm not a huge fan of women"?

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Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Are you saying gay men and gay women are less than humans in that statement? Cause unless there's a marriage thing after what you wrote, I believe gay men are still men, and lesbians are still women.

Allowing gay marriage doen't do as much harm as say, divorce.


Wrong is wrong. That's simple. And homosexuality is wrong.
And, yes, divorce is wrong, as well. Both of the two issues are covered in the Bible quite clearly.
(1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
(Matthew 5:31-32) - "It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: {32} But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

Let's go passage by passage;


The first one you changed slightly to suit your needs. Here's the original context. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

the second has to do with divorce and adultery, not homosexuality.


I know the second one has to do with divorce. I posted it because I said both of the issues are covered quite clearly in the Bible.
Now, let's look up the word effeminate (Taken directly from the American Heritage Dictionary):
Effeminate: 1. Having qualities or characteristics more often associated with women than men. See Synonyms at feminine. 2. Characterized by weakness and excessive refinement. Also:
1. (adj.) Of or relating to homosexuals or homosexuality:
homosexual
That is only one of the results for the word. All of them meaning homosexual.

Not all gay men are effeminant, don't generalize a whole group of people.

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You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.yoshi-lnex
How would you address the studies that have shown that homosexuality is influenced more by environment than by genetics?

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

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  • The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

  • In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

  • Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

  • In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

  • Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

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Well it doesnt affect me..As long as it continues that way, I could care less.

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Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Ring_of_fire

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.

You're aware that aids is worse among blacks than it is g@ys right? If you're being consistant and not just showing a general hatred towards a chosen group you'd be against blacks having sex too right?


...If I do say so, that's not the only way it harms society. When these perverted and immoral things are allowed (and this isn't the only immoral thing America has allowed), morality goes out the window. Our country shows that quite well.
Homosexuality is immoral, unnatural, and wrong - %100. The Bible says "He (meaning God) created them male and female". MALE and FEMALE, or MAN and WOMAN. Simple. No one else. Marriage is one man and one woman, and ONLY one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination to God and morality.

Are you saying gay men and gay women are less than humans in that statement? Cause unless there's a marriage thing after what you wrote, I believe gay men are still men, and lesbians are still women.

Allowing gay marriage doen't do as much harm as say, divorce.


Wrong is wrong. That's simple. And homosexuality is wrong.
And, yes, divorce is wrong, as well. Both of the two issues are covered in the Bible quite clearly.
(1 Corinthians 6:9) - "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites."
(Matthew 5:31-32) - "It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: {32} But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

Let's go passage by passage;


The first one you changed slightly to suit your needs. Here's the original context. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

the second has to do with divorce and adultery, not homosexuality.


I know the second one has to do with divorce. I posted it because I said both of the issues are covered quite clearly in the Bible.
Now, let's look up the word effeminate (Taken directly from the American Heritage Dictionary):
Effeminate: 1. Having qualities or characteristics more often associated with women than men. See Synonyms at feminine. 2. Characterized by weakness and excessive refinement. Also:
1. (adj.) Of or relating to homosexuals or homosexuality:
homosexual
That is only one of the results for the word. All of them meaning homosexual.

Not all gay men are effeminant, don't generalize a whole group of people.


Then what are they?
1. (adj.) Of or relating to homosexuals or homosexuality:
homosexual
That was on the meanings list. Along with other similar-meaning words.
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Did you choose to be straight?

I know I didnt, and I can guarentee you and any other straight person did not either. You just are.

Gay people do not choose to like the same sex either. At school I was friends with a few gay people, and all three said if they could choose, they would choose to be straight.

With that said, I feel it is wrong to punish them for something out of their control. Whats worse is judging them based on an outdated book that should not be taken literally. Things change, society changes...the Vatican needs to take the Bible and make some amendments to it, because Christianity will be the death of itself if it does not learn to change.

PS: I dont hate religion, it does a lot of good in the world, I just dont like it when people take the good of the bible and transform it into a weapon to suit their own agenda. Its like you take this part of the Bible literally, but not the rest. Buck up and either take it 100% literal (bad idea, mind you) or take it simply as a book of lessons that should be interpreted positively.

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Please make the choice to be gay Get into a gay relationship for more than 5 years. Then, maybe you'll understand it isn;t a choice, because you can't do it Ring_of_fire
Of course I could do it. Just like I could go out and rob a bank, or have sex with a goat, or murder someone. All of those are choices I could make, and just because I choose not to do them b/c I know they're wrong doesn't mean I'm genetically predisposed not to do them.
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Not all gay men are effeminant, don't generalize a whole group of people. Ring_of_fire
By definition, a man having sex with another man is effeminant. It's an act that only a woman naturally takes on.