Do u accept g@y marriage?

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Not all gay men are effeminant, don't generalize a whole group of people. murlow12

Then how come numerous animals also show homosexual activity?

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Please make the choice to be gay Get into a gay relationship for more than 5 years. Then, maybe you'll understand it isn;t a choice, because you can't do it murlow12

Ofcourse you could do it. That's not the point. The point is that you could never be ATTRACTED to the person because you aren't homosexual. That's what it's about, not your ability to have a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex, but that you need to be born a certain way to be attracted to the person.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

Are you saying gay men and gay women are less than humans in that statement? Cause unless there's a marriage thing after what you wrote, I believe gay men are still men, and lesbians are still women.

Allowing gay marriage doen't do as much harm as say, divorce.

The first one you changed slightly to suit your needs. Here's the original context. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

the second has to do with divorce and adultery, not homosexuality.

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Please make the choice to be gay Get into a gay relationship for more than 5 years. Then, maybe you'll understand it isn;t a choice, because you can't do it MindFreeze

Ofcourse you could do it. That's not the point. The point is that you could never be ATTRACTED to the person because you aren't homosexual. That's what it's about, not your ability to have a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex, but that you need to be born a certain way to be attracted to the person.

hmmph I guess I won't fully understand this >_>

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SIapshot

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

just because they can't find it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Even in your article, it doesn't say genetics have nothing to with sexual orientation, they just say it may not be the only factor.

also, NARTH advocates Conversion therapy, which is not a good thing at all

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SIapshot

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.

Crushmaster

That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?

Are you saying gay men and gay women are less than humans in that statement? Cause unless there's a marriage thing after what you wrote, I believe gay men are still men, and lesbians are still women.

Allowing gay marriage doen't do as much harm as say, divorce.

The first one you changed slightly to suit your needs. Here's the original context. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"

the second has to do with divorce and adultery, not homosexuality.

Not all gay men are effeminant, don't generalize a whole group of people.

You don't think a heterosexual can't be effeminant?

BTW, I don't know where you got your definition. Websters has nothing about homosexuality in their definition. Just says having feminine qualities untypical of a man :not manly in appearance or manner

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Please make the choice to be gay Get into a gay relationship for more than 5 years. Then, maybe you'll understand it isn;t a choice, because you can't do it murlow12

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Not all gay men are effeminant, don't generalize a whole group of people. Oriental_Jams

Then how come numerous animals also show homosexual activity?

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Please make the choice to be gay Get into a gay relationship for more than 5 years. Then, maybe you'll understand it isn;t a choice, because you can't do it MindFreeze

Ofcourse you could do it. That's not the point. The point is that you could never be ATTRACTED to the person because you aren't homosexual. That's what it's about, not your ability to have a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex, but that you need to be born a certain way to be attracted to the person.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.yoshi-lnex

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SIapshot

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SIapshot

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

If they are hate groups, their information is biased, therefore, invalid. Therefore, there is no reason to refute their biased research.

[QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Not all gay men are effeminant, don't generalize a whole group of people. murlow12

Then how come numerous animals also show homosexual activity?

The genetic basis of animal homosexuality has been studiedin certain species of flies. Here, multiple genes have been identified that can cause homosexual courtship and mating. These genes are thought to control behavior through pheromones as well as altering the structure of the animal's brains. These studies have also investigated the influence of environment on the likelihood of flies displaying homosexual behavior.

As a gay (although not old enough to be married) I really don't even support gay marriage that much. I simply feel that if I love another man and he loves me, that's enough. Of course, there is always the bonuses by the government for being married, but why should I be forced to show my love through a title and paperwork?

Also, people you are NOT BORN GAY That is one of the few things that rages me. Holy freakin' crap. You are not born without a doubt in your mind enjoying male partnership. A kid can easily be influenced by his environment at a young age and grow up gay of course, but the idea that you come out of the womb with your sex drive turned on the homosexual setting is just ridiculous.

[QUOTE="MindFreeze"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Please make the choice to be gay Get into a gay relationship for more than 5 years. Then, maybe you'll understand it isn;t a choice, because you can't do it murlow12

Ofcourse you could do it. That's not the point. The point is that you could never be ATTRACTED to the person because you aren't homosexual. That's what it's about, not your ability to have a sexual relationship with someone of the same sex, but that you need to be born a certain way to be attracted to the person.

This is not a discussion of taste. It's about being attracted to either the same or opposite sex. If you are truly straight, you would never feel sexually attracted to any guy. Now the "challenge" is to, as a straight guy, try to become sexually attracted to another guy. It's not possible. You can pretend, and you can be sexually active with that person, but you'll never actually be chemically attracted to him/her. Making sense yet?

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.yoshi-lnex

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

My facepalm just went into my skull...

Just because a group doesnt agree with homosexuality, doesnt mean that everything they say is false. For some reason, all the unintelligent people on OT have only one argument: "Your source doesnt agree with BLANK, that means anything they say is false and cant be used." Please find a better arguement.

YOU ARE NOT BORN GAY Homosexuals. It means that they have sex with each other. Last time I checked, I can still control where i put my willy wacker. If you are born gay wouldnt that make murderers, pedophiles, and rapists born that way? Quit trying to justify sin.

As a gay (although not old enough to be married) I really don't even support gay marriage that much. I simply feel that if I love another man and he loves me, that's enough. Of course, there is always the bonuses by the government for being married, but why should I be forced to show my love through a title and paperwork?

Also, people you are NOT BORN GAY That is one of the few things that rages me. Holy freakin' crap. You are not born without a doubt in your mind enjoying male partnership. A kid can easily be influenced by his environment at a young age and grow up gay of course, but the idea that you come out of the womb with your sex drive turned on the homosexual setting is just ridiculous.

musicaz70

You aren't immediately gay as you are describing just as much as you do not immediately want to procreate as a heterosexual kid. Once the feeling for having to reproduce kicks in a human, that's when homosexuals tend to realize whether they are attracted to same or opposite. You don't seem to realize this.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.Ring_of_fire

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

If they are hate groups, their information is biased, therefore, invalid. Therefore, there is no reason to refute their biased research.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SylentButDeadly

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

My facepalm just went into my skull...

Just because a group doesnt agree with homosexuality, doesnt mean that everything they say is false. For some reason, all the unintelligent people on OT have only one argument: "Your source doesnt agree with BLANK, that means anything they say is false and cant be used." Please find a better arguement.

YOU ARE NOT BORN GAY Homosexuals. It means that they have sex with each other. Last time I checked, I can still control where i put my willy wacker. If you are born gay wouldnt that make murderers, pedophiles, and rapists born that way? Quit trying to justify sin.

Your sexual preference is a chemically determined property in your body. Therefore it's the attraction that makes you heterosexual or homosexual, not the actual act of having sex with either the same or opposite sex. If someone lives their entire life without having sex, he or she still is either homo or heterosexual. You can't in anyway compare that to an act such as murder.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SIapshot

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

If they are hate groups, their information is biased, therefore, invalid. Therefore, there is no reason to refute their biased research.

Yeah, the serial killer would go to trial, but that's different. We are not arguing about any crime here. You presented a research by a group that advocates conversion therapy, and among other incredibly biased things. It would be worth refuting something that wasn't so biased.

[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.MindFreeze

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

My facepalm just went into my skull...

Just because a group doesnt agree with homosexuality, doesnt mean that everything they say is false. For some reason, all the unintelligent people on OT have only one argument: "Your source doesnt agree with BLANK, that means anything they say is false and cant be used." Please find a better arguement.

YOU ARE NOT BORN GAY Homosexuals. It means that they have sex with each other. Last time I checked, I can still control where i put my willy wacker. If you are born gay wouldnt that make murderers, pedophiles, and rapists born that way? Quit trying to justify sin.

Your sexual preference is a chemically determined property in your body. Therefore it's the attraction that makes you heterosexual or homosexual, not the actual act of having sex with either the same or opposite sex.

Hate groups or not, you have yet to refute their sources.SIapshot

The fact remains that you linked to a hate group who purports to "convert" gay people and therefore are incredibly likely to selectively choose data that supports their views.

If fact, there are literally tons of studies that all seem to support the idea that homosexuality is genetically or biologically determined. Here are a few:

-Finger length ratio, a characteristic controlled by prenatal hormones, is different in people of distinct sexual orientations

-Auditory systems in the brain were found be larger in homosexual men than in heterosexual men

-The fraternal birth order effect is the strongest known predictor of sexual orientation. According to several studies, each older brother increases a man's odds of developing a homosexual sexual orientation by 28%–48%

-Gay men have, on average, have larger penises

-Gay men's brains respond differently to fluoxetine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.

-Three regions of the brain (medial prefrontal cortex, left hippocampus, and right amygdala) are more active in gay men than non-gay men when exposed to sexually arousing material.

-Gay and non-gay people emit different armpit odors

-Gay men are more likely to have a counter-clockwise hair whorl pattern

-Gay people are significantlymorelikely to be left-handed or ambidextrous than are straight people

-Gay men may receive higher scores than non-gay men on tests of object location memory

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SylentButDeadly

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

My facepalm just went into my skull...

Just because a group doesnt agree with homosexuality, doesnt mean that everything they say is false. For some reason, all the unintelligent people on OT have only one argument: "Your source doesnt agree with BLANK, that means anything they say is false and cant be used." Please find a better arguement.

YOU ARE NOT BORN GAY Homosexuals. It means that they have sex with each other. Last time I checked, I can still control where i put my willy wacker. If you are born gay wouldnt that make murderers, pedophiles, and rapists born that way? Quit trying to justify sin.

Being a homosexual just means you are attracted to the same sex, not just having sex with another man. Having sex with a man isn't the only critirea for being a homosexual. It may be a signficant part of it, but it's not the most important part.

And Homosexuals don't harm anyone, whereas Rapists, pedophiles, and murderes do harm people

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SIapshot

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.Ring_of_fire

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

If they are hate groups, their information is biased, therefore, invalid. Therefore, there is no reason to refute their biased research.

Yeah, the serial killer would go to trial, but that's different. We are not arguing about any crime here. You presented a research by a group that advocates conversion therapy, and among other incredibly biased things. It would be worth refuting something that wasn't so biased.

[QUOTE="Oriental_Jams"]

[QUOTE="murlow12"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"]Not all gay men are effeminant, don't generalize a whole group of people. murlow12

Then how come numerous animals also show homosexual activity?

WRONG.

Male penguin couples have been documented to mate for life, build nests together, and to use a stone as a surrogate egg in nesting and brooding.

[QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="Ring_of_fire"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SIapshot

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

If they are hate groups, their information is biased, therefore, invalid. Therefore, there is no reason to refute their biased research.

Yeah, the serial killer would go to trial, but that's different. We are not arguing about any crime here. You presented a research by a group that advocates conversion therapy, and among other incredibly biased things. It would be worth refuting something that wasn't so biased.

Hate group aside, as I said before, just because they can't find it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Your own sources don't deny that genetics plays a part sexual orientation, they just say it's not the only factor.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SylentButDeadly

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

My facepalm just went into my skull...

Just because a group doesnt agree with homosexuality, doesnt mean that everything they say is false. For some reason, all the unintelligent people on OT have only one argument: "Your source doesnt agree with BLANK, that means anything they say is false and cant be used." Please find a better arguement.

YOU ARE NOT BORN GAY Homosexuals. It means that they have sex with each other. Last time I checked, I can still control where i put my willy wacker. If you are born gay wouldnt that make murderers, pedophiles, and rapists born that way? Quit trying to justify sin.

and yes, people are born homosexual, there is either genetic predisposition, or something has happened in the womb to cause it. A homosexual don't have to have sex with the same sex, but because of their genetics they would still be attrated to the same sex, not the opposite sex. Reality is being anti g@y really isn't any different than being anti-asian, or anti-woman, because both are caused genetically. Murderer, pedophiles and rapists do not have the genetic predisposition.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.yoshi-lnex

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

Peer review, on which lay people place great weight, varies from important, where the editors and the referees are competent and responsible, to a complete farce, where they are not. As a rule, not surprisingly, the process operates somewhere in the middle, being more than a joke but less than the nearly flawless system of Olympian scrutiny that outsiders imagine it to be. Any journal editor who desires, for whatever reason, to knock down a submission can easily do so by choosing referees he knows full well will knock it down; likewise, he can easily obtain favorable referee reports. As I have always counseled young people whose work was rejected, seemingly on improper or insufficient grounds, the system is a crap shoot. Personal vendettas, ideological conflicts, professional jealousies, methodological disagreements, sheer self-promotion and a great deal of plain incompetence and irresponsibility are no strangers to the scientific world; indeed, that world is rife with these all-too-human attributes. In no event can peer review ensure that research is correct in its procedures or its conclusions."
http://newsbusters.org/node/12585

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.yoshi-lnex

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

Peer review, on which lay people place great weight, varies from important, where the editors and the referees are competent and responsible, to a complete farce, where they are not. As a rule, not surprisingly, the process operates somewhere in the middle, being more than a joke but less than the nearly flawless system of Olympian scrutiny that outsiders imagine it to be. Any journal editor who desires, for whatever reason, to knock down a submission can easily do so by choosing referees he knows full well will knock it down; likewise, he can easily obtain favorable referee reports. As I have always counseled young people whose work was rejected, seemingly on improper or insufficient grounds, the system is a crap shoot. Personal vendettas, ideological conflicts, professional jealousies, methodological disagreements, sheer self-promotion and a great deal of plain incompetence and irresponsibility are no strangers to the scientific world; indeed, that world is rife with these all-too-human attributes. In no event can peer review ensure that research is correct in its procedures or its conclusions."
http://newsbusters.org/node/12585

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SIapshot

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

Peer review, on which lay people place great weight, varies from important, where the editors and the referees are competent and responsible, to a complete farce, where they are not. As a rule, not surprisingly, the process operates somewhere in the middle, being more than a joke but less than the nearly flawless system of Olympian scrutiny that outsiders imagine it to be. Any journal editor who desires, for whatever reason, to knock down a submission can easily do so by choosing referees he knows full well will knock it down; likewise, he can easily obtain favorable referee reports. As I have always counseled young people whose work was rejected, seemingly on improper or insufficient grounds, the system is a crap shoot. Personal vendettas, ideological conflicts, professional jealousies, methodological disagreements, sheer self-promotion and a great deal of plain incompetence and irresponsibility are no strangers to the scientific world; indeed, that world is rife with these all-too-human attributes. In no event can peer review ensure that research is correct in its procedures or its conclusions."
http://newsbusters.org/node/12585

YOU FOUND ONE ARTICLE.

ONE.

Peer review has been part of the scientific method for literally hundreds of years and because you found ONE ARTICLE, we're supposed to be convinced that it's meaningless?

Also, you have yet to refute all the data I presented you.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SIapshot

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

Peer review, on which lay people place great weight, varies from important, where the editors and the referees are competent and responsible, to a complete farce, where they are not. As a rule, not surprisingly, the process operates somewhere in the middle, being more than a joke but less than the nearly flawless system of Olympian scrutiny that outsiders imagine it to be. Any journal editor who desires, for whatever reason, to knock down a submission can easily do so by choosing referees he knows full well will knock it down; likewise, he can easily obtain favorable referee reports. As I have always counseled young people whose work was rejected, seemingly on improper or insufficient grounds, the system is a crap shoot. Personal vendettas, ideological conflicts, professional jealousies, methodological disagreements, sheer self-promotion and a great deal of plain incompetence and irresponsibility are no strangers to the scientific world; indeed, that world is rife with these all-too-human attributes. In no event can peer review ensure that research is correct in its procedures or its conclusions."
http://newsbusters.org/node/12585

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[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.Nickman71

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

Peer review, on which lay people place great weight, varies from important, where the editors and the referees are competent and responsible, to a complete farce, where they are not. As a rule, not surprisingly, the process operates somewhere in the middle, being more than a joke but less than the nearly flawless system of Olympian scrutiny that outsiders imagine it to be. Any journal editor who desires, for whatever reason, to knock down a submission can easily do so by choosing referees he knows full well will knock it down; likewise, he can easily obtain favorable referee reports. As I have always counseled young people whose work was rejected, seemingly on improper or insufficient grounds, the system is a crap shoot. Personal vendettas, ideological conflicts, professional jealousies, methodological disagreements, sheer self-promotion and a great deal of plain incompetence and irresponsibility are no strangers to the scientific world; indeed, that world is rife with these all-too-human attributes. In no event can peer review ensure that research is correct in its procedures or its conclusions."
http://newsbusters.org/node/12585

YOU FOUND ONE ARTICLE.

ONE.

Peer review has been part of the scientific method for literally hundreds of years and because you found ONE ARTICLE, we're supposed to be convinced that it's meaningless?

Also, you have yet to refute all the data I presented you.

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.yoshi-lnex

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

Peer review, on which lay people place great weight, varies from important, where the editors and the referees are competent and responsible, to a complete farce, where they are not. As a rule, not surprisingly, the process operates somewhere in the middle, being more than a joke but less than the nearly flawless system of Olympian scrutiny that outsiders imagine it to be. Any journal editor who desires, for whatever reason, to knock down a submission can easily do so by choosing referees he knows full well will knock it down; likewise, he can easily obtain favorable referee reports. As I have always counseled young people whose work was rejected, seemingly on improper or insufficient grounds, the system is a crap shoot. Personal vendettas, ideological conflicts, professional jealousies, methodological disagreements, sheer self-promotion and a great deal of plain incompetence and irresponsibility are no strangers to the scientific world; indeed, that world is rife with these all-too-human attributes. In no event can peer review ensure that research is correct in its procedures or its conclusions."
http://newsbusters.org/node/12585

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Um, weren't you complaining about bias ten minutes ago?" Then you quote the BBC?

In any case, homosexuality is not a born-with-it thing. How do you explain straight men and women who change sexuality in the middle of their lives? Oh, right, "they were faking it.":roll: Bisexuality? Homosexuals who have turned straight (and there are quite a few)? If this was all genetically predisposed, those things would be impossible.

Homosexuality is more likely to be hormonal.

What makes you think I found ONE article? Ever done an internet search before? And what makes my ONE article false? Your reference to hundreds of years of human history? Does drilling into the skull really cure migrane headaches?SIapshot

*Sigh*

Scientific method

"Since Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen, 965–1039), a pioneer of scientific method, the emphasis has been on seeking truth"

2008 - 1039 = 969

Um, weren't you complaining about bias ten minutes ago?" Then you quote the BBC?

In any case, homosexuality is not a born-with-it thing. How do you explain straight men and women who change sexuality in the middle of their lives? Oh, right, "they were faking it.":roll: Bisexuality? Homosexuals who have turned straight (and there are quite a few)? If this was all genetically predisposed, those things would be impossible.

Homosexuality is more likely to be hormonal.

Silvarach

Oh. my. God.

I can't even comprehend what you just wrote.

Are you really comparing the bias of a hate group to that of a world-wide news organization?

That's the best you could come up with? Really?

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.yoshi-lnex

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

Peer review, on which lay people place great weight, varies from important, where the editors and the referees are competent and responsible, to a complete farce, where they are not. As a rule, not surprisingly, the process operates somewhere in the middle, being more than a joke but less than the nearly flawless system of Olympian scrutiny that outsiders imagine it to be. Any journal editor who desires, for whatever reason, to knock down a submission can easily do so by choosing referees he knows full well will knock it down; likewise, he can easily obtain favorable referee reports. As I have always counseled young people whose work was rejected, seemingly on improper or insufficient grounds, the system is a crap shoot. Personal vendettas, ideological conflicts, professional jealousies, methodological disagreements, sheer self-promotion and a great deal of plain incompetence and irresponsibility are no strangers to the scientific world; indeed, that world is rife with these all-too-human attributes. In no event can peer review ensure that research is correct in its procedures or its conclusions."
http://newsbusters.org/node/12585

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homosexuality is not biological

homosexuality is environmental

homosexuality is not hardwired

homosexuality is still not genetic

30 or 40 links to studies refuting biological and genetic homosexuality

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.Silvarach

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

Peer review, on which lay people place great weight, varies from important, where the editors and the referees are competent and responsible, to a complete farce, where they are not. As a rule, not surprisingly, the process operates somewhere in the middle, being more than a joke but less than the nearly flawless system of Olympian scrutiny that outsiders imagine it to be. Any journal editor who desires, for whatever reason, to knock down a submission can easily do so by choosing referees he knows full well will knock it down; likewise, he can easily obtain favorable referee reports. As I have always counseled young people whose work was rejected, seemingly on improper or insufficient grounds, the system is a crap shoot. Personal vendettas, ideological conflicts, professional jealousies, methodological disagreements, sheer self-promotion and a great deal of plain incompetence and irresponsibility are no strangers to the scientific world; indeed, that world is rife with these all-too-human attributes. In no event can peer review ensure that research is correct in its procedures or its conclusions."
http://newsbusters.org/node/12585

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Um, weren't you complaining about bias ten minutes ago?" Then you quote the BBC?

In any case, homosexuality is not a born-with-it thing. How do you explain straight men and women who change sexuality in the middle of their lives? Oh, right, "they were faking it.":roll: Bisexuality? Homosexuals who have turned straight (and there are quite a few)? If this was all genetically predisposed, those things would be impossible.

Homosexuality is more likely to be hormonal.

Um, weren't you complaining about bias ten minutes ago?" Then you quote the BBC?

In any case, homosexuality is not a born-with-it thing. How do you explain straight men and women who change sexuality in the middle of their lives? Oh, right, "they were faking it.":roll: Bisexuality? Homosexuals who have turned straight (and there are quite a few)? If this was all genetically predisposed, those things would be impossible.

Homosexuality is more likely to be hormonal.

Silvarach

What IS possible is that true sexual attraction is withheld due to peer pressure, parents saying they will go to hell if they are gay etc. So let's take your claim that they changed sexuality in the middle of their lives. Perhaps they were scared to reveal their homosexuality until then, which is sadly quite common with the amount of people that are very hateful against gays in today's society. Likewise with the reverse change, maybe they were never gay or pressure and many other factors (possibly friends saying you will go to hell?, this being a pretty evident reason by just looking at this thread) caused them to fool themselves into becoming straight.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.SIapshot

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

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• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

Peer review, on which lay people place great weight, varies from important, where the editors and the referees are competent and responsible, to a complete farce, where they are not. As a rule, not surprisingly, the process operates somewhere in the middle, being more than a joke but less than the nearly flawless system of Olympian scrutiny that outsiders imagine it to be. Any journal editor who desires, for whatever reason, to knock down a submission can easily do so by choosing referees he knows full well will knock it down; likewise, he can easily obtain favorable referee reports. As I have always counseled young people whose work was rejected, seemingly on improper or insufficient grounds, the system is a crap shoot. Personal vendettas, ideological conflicts, professional jealousies, methodological disagreements, sheer self-promotion and a great deal of plain incompetence and irresponsibility are no strangers to the scientific world; indeed, that world is rife with these all-too-human attributes. In no event can peer review ensure that research is correct in its procedures or its conclusions."
http://newsbusters.org/node/12585

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homosexuality is not biological

homosexuality is environmental

homosexuality is not hardwired

homosexuality is still not genetic

30 or 40 links to studies refuting biological and genetic homosexuality

[QUOTE="SIapshot"]What makes you think I found ONE article? Ever done an internet search before? And what makes my ONE article false? Your reference to hundreds of years of human history? Does drilling into the skull really cure migrane headaches?Nickman71

*Sigh*

Scientific method

"Since Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen, 965–1039), a pioneer of scientific method, the emphasis has been on seeking truth"

2008 - 1039 = 969

homosexuality is not genetic

homosexuality is not biological

homosexuality is environmental

homosexuality is not hardwired

homosexuality is still not genetic

30 or 40 links to studies refuting biological and genetic homosexuality

SIapshot

Maybe if you would quote actual medical and scientific sources, people would take you seriously.

-Finger length ratio, a characteristic controlled by prenatal hormones, is different in people of distinct sexual orientations

-Auditory systems in the brain were found be larger in homosexual men than in heterosexual men

-The fraternal birth order effect is the strongest known predictor of sexual orientation. According to several studies, each older brother increases a man's odds of developing a homosexual sexual orientation by 28%–48%

-Gay men have, on average, have larger penises

-Gay men's brains respond differently to fluoxetine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.

-Three regions of the brain (medial prefrontal cortex, left hippocampus, and right amygdala) are more active in gay men than non-gay men when exposed to sexually arousing material.

-Gay and non-gay people emit different armpit odors

-Gay men are more likely to have a counter-clockwise hair whorl pattern

-Gay people are significantlymorelikely to be left-handed or ambidextrous than are straight people

-Gay men may receive higher scores than non-gay men on tests of object location memory

[QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="SIapshot"]

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]You can't choose to be gay it's biological, like being born white or female, you can't choose to be another race or sex, all you can really do is fake it.yoshi-lnex

"One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

"

• The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

• In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. ..." The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality ... we must do it for the children's sake."

• Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

• In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll ... available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

• Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27431

Peer review, on which lay people place great weight, varies from important, where the editors and the referees are competent and responsible, to a complete farce, where they are not. As a rule, not surprisingly, the process operates somewhere in the middle, being more than a joke but less than the nearly flawless system of Olympian scrutiny that outsiders imagine it to be. Any journal editor who desires, for whatever reason, to knock down a submission can easily do so by choosing referees he knows full well will knock it down; likewise, he can easily obtain favorable referee reports. As I have always counseled young people whose work was rejected, seemingly on improper or insufficient grounds, the system is a crap shoot. Personal vendettas, ideological conflicts, professional jealousies, methodological disagreements, sheer self-promotion and a great deal of plain incompetence and irresponsibility are no strangers to the scientific world; indeed, that world is rife with these all-too-human attributes. In no event can peer review ensure that research is correct in its procedures or its conclusions."
http://newsbusters.org/node/12585

Source 1

Source 2

Source 3

Source 4

Source 5

Source 6

homosexuality is not biological

homosexuality is environmental

homosexuality is not hardwired

homosexuality is still not genetic

30 or 40 links to studies refuting biological and genetic homosexuality