gay marriage doesn't affect me in any way so I dont really care
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Do I encourage it? No
Do I accept it? Yes. It's called freewill.
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yeah i don't encourage it either, but you need to accept it:)
No, I wonder why they became so widely accepted in the west. I'm not saying we should persecute homosexuals, but we shouldn't encourage them and fight for their "rights" either.hamidiousWhy not?
Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,Lansdowne5Please elaborate.
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="BlackAlpha666"][QUOTE="Trashface"]Actually, homosexuality has been the main enabler of AIDs. That is fact.
Crushmaster
That is because of the different acts and the amount of acts they perform, which gives them a highly increased risk. The people involved all agreed upon performing them anyway. What is your point exactly?
It's a way that homosexuality harms society. That's a fact.You're quoting from the King James edition, which scholars recognize as the most augmented version of your Holy Bible.
You do know that Canada's currency is worth roughly 1.6 U.S. dollars, right? This without any substantial financial connections with predatory corporations such as Lockheed Martin or Blackwater Securities.
South Africa, on the other hand, is expressing itself as the possible cornerstone of a multi-lateral African Union.
Most cultures which condoned what could roughly translate as homosexuality or transexuality were/are pastoral and nomadic cultures which cannot be appraised using the same criterion for success as a Western culture, nation, or civilization can.
Roman culture declined because of many complex and multi-faceted factors, none of which relate to homosexuality. the concept which informs your opinion is a farcical morality play borne from Christian dogma during the period of Late Antiquity in England, France, Spain, and Portugal.
Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,Lansdowne5
Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by heterosexuality? Millions and millions.
Of course.
it's not a matter of do you except gay marriage or not. It's a matter of whether you except marriage as a union between two human beings.
Religiously, many people are brougth up to be anti-homosexual. I was luckily spared the brainwashing, and I see things for how they are, and it if marriage brings them joy then gay couples should go for it.
Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,Lansdowne5
Please elaborate.
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,TheOddQuantum
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
[QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,Lansdowne5
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
That explains how women got AIDS.
I accept it, marriage is about love, who am I to say that two people don't love each other and can't marry, no matter what sexual orientation you are. If the two are in love, then they're in love and let them do what they want. Doesn't affect my life.
[QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,Lansdowne5
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
[QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,TheOddQuantum
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
[QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,Blood-Scribe
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
Which somehow means the first person to have it was a woman?[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,mindstorm
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
Which somehow means the first person to have it was a woman?No, it just means that homosexuality isn't to blame for AIDS.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,Blood-Scribe
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
Which somehow means the first person to have it was a woman?No, it just means that homosexuality isn't to blame for AIDS.
Though it was largely spread originally by homosexuals...[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,mindstorm
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
Which somehow means the first person to have it was a woman?No, it just means that homosexuality isn't to blame for AIDS.
Though it was largely spread originally by homosexuals...That was basically the case on the western coast of the United States. Everywhere else in the world where it spread, it wasn't quite like that. It's not like you can trace it all to homosexuals, and even if you did, then does that mean that all homosexuals should be condemned as malevolent beings bent on killing us slowly over the course of years and decades? So even if it was mostly due to homosexuals, does that mean that it was completely intended by them to kill people?
[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,mindstorm
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
Which somehow means the first person to have it was a woman?No, it just means that homosexuality isn't to blame for AIDS.
Though it was largely spread originally by homosexuals...It was also largely spread by Heterosexuals for that matter.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,Blood-Scribe
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
Which somehow means the first person to have it was a woman?No, it just means that homosexuality isn't to blame for AIDS.
Though it was largely spread originally by homosexuals...That was basically the case on the western coast of the United States. Everywhere else in the world where it spread, it wasn't quite like that. It's not like you can trace it all to homosexuals, and even if you did, then does that mean that all homosexuals should be condemned as malevolent beings bent on killing us slowly over the course of years and decades? So even if it was mostly due to homosexuals, does that mean that it was completely intended by them to kill people?
God gave us rules to follow for a reason... this is one of the reasons why. It's for our own good.[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,mindstorm
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
Which somehow means the first person to have it was a woman?No, it just means that homosexuality isn't to blame for AIDS.
Though it was largely spread originally by homosexuals...That was basically the case on the western coast of the United States. Everywhere else in the world where it spread, it wasn't quite like that. It's not like you can trace it all to homosexuals, and even if you did, then does that mean that all homosexuals should be condemned as malevolent beings bent on killing us slowly over the course of years and decades? So even if it was mostly due to homosexuals, does that mean that it was completely intended by them to kill people?
God gave us rules to follow for a reason... this is one of the reasons why. It's for our own good.Well then I guess everyone who has AIDS deserves to die slowly.
[QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,Lansdowne5
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
One of the big reasons AIDS has spread so much through the developing world is because straight couples spread the disease to each other and to any children they have. With the people in these countries usually having a high number of children, AIDS can spread dramatically.[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,mindstorm
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
Which somehow means the first person to have it was a woman?No, it just means that homosexuality isn't to blame for AIDS.
Though it was largely spread originally by homosexuals...That was basically the case on the western coast of the United States. Everywhere else in the world where it spread, it wasn't quite like that. It's not like you can trace it all to homosexuals, and even if you did, then does that mean that all homosexuals should be condemned as malevolent beings bent on killing us slowly over the course of years and decades? So even if it was mostly due to homosexuals, does that mean that it was completely intended by them to kill people?
God gave us rules to follow for a reason... this is one of the reasons why. It's for our own good.Oh My God.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,Blood-Scribe
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
Which somehow means the first person to have it was a woman?No, it just means that homosexuality isn't to blame for AIDS.
Though it was largely spread originally by homosexuals...That was basically the case on the western coast of the United States. Everywhere else in the world where it spread, it wasn't quite like that. It's not like you can trace it all to homosexuals, and even if you did, then does that mean that all homosexuals should be condemned as malevolent beings bent on killing us slowly over the course of years and decades? So even if it was mostly due to homosexuals, does that mean that it was completely intended by them to kill people?
God gave us rules to follow for a reason... this is one of the reasons why. It's for our own good.Well then I guess everyone who has AIDS deserves to die slowly.
Nope... everyone deserves to die slowly. But God is gracious thankfully. I merely stated that sin has repercussions.[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,mindstorm
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
Which somehow means the first person to have it was a woman?No, it just means that homosexuality isn't to blame for AIDS.
Though it was largely spread originally by homosexuals...That was basically the case on the western coast of the United States. Everywhere else in the world where it spread, it wasn't quite like that. It's not like you can trace it all to homosexuals, and even if you did, then does that mean that all homosexuals should be condemned as malevolent beings bent on killing us slowly over the course of years and decades? So even if it was mostly due to homosexuals, does that mean that it was completely intended by them to kill people?
God gave us rules to follow for a reason... this is one of the reasons why. It's for our own good.Well then I guess everyone who has AIDS deserves to die slowly.
Nope... everyone deserves to die slowly. But God is gracious thankfully. I merely stated that sin has repercussions.Well not everyone believes that, so that's not a substantial reason to claim that homosexuals and homosexuality are to be blamed for AIDS.
[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"][QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"][QUOTE="Lansdowne5"]Does anybody actually realize how many people have been killed by homosexuality? Millions and millions,mindstorm
Please elaborate.
OK, AID's has been spread around numerous countries purely because of homosexuality. Women have had husbands that have slept with other men then slept with them again and they have got AID's from it, when they were doing nothing wrong.
It spreads because of homosexuality, killing innocent people, purely because men want to use a part of their body which is not designed for that use. People get confused, and I know how feelings work. You can desire something so much that you can't see past it. But it is dangerous when lives are at stake, people need to seriously think before they act.
AIDS can be sexually transmited from both heterosexual and homosexua sex. I can't see why you blame homosexuals for it. There are more Heterosexuals who have sex everyday than Homosexuals.
Also, the first recorded AIDS victim was a woman, so I don't get how all the blame can be laid on homosexuals.
Which somehow means the first person to have it was a woman?No, it just means that homosexuality isn't to blame for AIDS.
Though it was largely spread originally by homosexuals...That was basically the case on the western coast of the United States. Everywhere else in the world where it spread, it wasn't quite like that. It's not like you can trace it all to homosexuals, and even if you did, then does that mean that all homosexuals should be condemned as malevolent beings bent on killing us slowly over the course of years and decades? So even if it was mostly due to homosexuals, does that mean that it was completely intended by them to kill people?
God gave us rules to follow for a reason... this is one of the reasons why. It's for our own good.Well then I guess everyone who has AIDS deserves to die slowly.
Nope... everyone deserves to die slowly. But God is gracious thankfully. I merely stated that sin has repercussions.Also unless you have actual scientifical evidence of the existence of "god".The "god" factor should be excluded.TheOddQuantum
It's already bad enough that this thread has been sitting here for who knows how long, but we really shouldn't go there. This thread is already a crapfest as it is.
[QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"] Also unless you have actual scientifical evidence of the existence of "god".The "god" factor should be excluded.Blood-Scribe
It's already bad enough that this thread has been sitting here for who knows how long, but we really shouldn't go there. This thread is already a crapfest as it is.
Yeah that is what I feared as well. But I meant, real evidence or nothing.
You are saying that people shouldn't have sex? Because it wasn't just homosexuals who spread AIDS. Also unless you have actual scientifical evidence of the existence of "god".The "god" factor should be excluded.TheOddQuantum
Well if only people had sex with their spouses and never divorced then AIDS wouldn't be as much of an issue within a generation...
Well not everyone believes that, so that's not a substantial reason to claim that homosexuals and homosexuality is to be blamed for AIDS.
Blood-Scribe
I'm sure they don't believe that sadly... But if sexual promiscuity didn't happen then AIDS wouldn't have spread in such a fashion.
[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Well not everyone believes that, so that's not a substantial reason to claim that homosexuals and homosexuality is to be blamed for AIDS.
mindstorm
I'm sure they don't believe that sadly... But if sexual promiscuity didn't happen then AIDS wouldn't have spread in such a fashion.
Well then there's no reason to blame it all on homosexuality if we're talking about sexual promiscuity, since both genders are involved here. Somehow Lansdowne5 managed to completely ignore that and blame it all on homosexuality.
[QUOTE="TheOddQuantum"]You are saying that people shouldn't have sex? Because it wasn't just homosexuals who spread AIDS. Also unless you have actual scientifical evidence of the existence of "god".The "god" factor should be excluded.mindstorm
Well if only people had sex with their spouses and never divorced then AIDS wouldn't be as much of an issue within a generation...
No you see, you don't seem to understand what I'm saying. ANYONE with sex organs can transmit AIDS. So even fully Catholic married couples can transmit AIDS. And also pass it down to their children.
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