Do you accept g@ys?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

I believe that it's a subconscious decision and subconscious decisions can be influenced by your environment.

Ace_WondersX

You can't say that the human brain can't make a decision subconsciously due to environment or experience, because you can't prove it.

Read the post again... >_>

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]But you have a huge misconception here and maybe you have made up your mind already about it and wont change your mind.

Sexuality - and consequently both heterosexuality and homosexuality - is not a conscious decision, not even a conscious state of mind.

The chance of someone defying norms because others defy them is merely showing that the predesposition is already there and its just that now it finds a way to be expressed.

Had that person not had any people around him to defy norms, that predesposition would still be there but it would just be suppressed. That person would still be gay but not aware of it, or suppressing it by lying to himself/herself.

Johnny-n-Roger

I believe that it's a subconscious decision and subconscious decisions can be influenced by your environment.

But the case is: here applies the same thing that it applies in the case we find a biological/genetic cause of homosexuality. People will rush to find methods to remove said gene, or to find a "cure" to the supposed "disease". Would we apply the same course of thinking to black people 100 years ago? Had we found a way to prevent the skin to be black from birth wouldnt the "white" rulers of the world 100 years ago decide to proceed to such a stupid step?

Now in this case why would we try to loose our sleep as parents over the mere possibility that our intricate moves and subliminal messages we "broadcast" may affect our childs sexuality? Wouldnt that make parenthood seem like a field of extreme interference of "musts" and "shoulds" with the prupose being to rid the world of homosexuals as if they are diseased, while on the other hand it is obvious that no harm is coming to society from homosexual people and the only still strong objection to them is stemming from obsolete religious beliefs?

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]No. Sexuality is a subcoscious urge. The decision is on that urge. An urge cannot be altered by what is the norm. The layers of consciousness above the subliminary urge though can be, but not the urge itself.

Teenaged

You can't say that the human brain can't make a decision subconsciously due to environment or experience, because you can't prove it.

Read the post again... >_>

[QUOTE="Johnny-n-Roger"][QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

I believe that it's a subconscious decision and subconscious decisions can be influenced by your environment.

Teenaged

But the case is: here applies the same thing that it applies in the case we find a biological/genetic cause of homosexuality. People will rush to find methods to remove said gene, or to find a "cure" to the supposed "disease". Would we apply the same course of thinking to black people 100 years ago? Had we found a way to prevent the skin to be black from birth wouldnt the "white" rulers of the world 100 years ago decide to proceed to such a stupid step?

Now in this case why would we try to loose our sleep as parents over the mere possibility that our intricate moves and subliminal messages we "broadcast" may affect our childs sexuality? Wouldnt that make parenthood seem like a field of extreme interference of "musts" and "shoulds" with the prupose being to rid the world of homosexuals as if they are diseased, while on the other hand it is obvious that no harm is coming to society from homosexual people and the only still strong objection to them is stemming from obsolete religious beliefs?

Yeah it's okay as long as i don't see any of them, just by thinking othem makes me irk.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"]

You can't say that the human brain can't make a decision subconsciously due to environment or experience, because you can't prove it.

Ace_WondersX

Read the post again... >_>

If the subcoscious was undetectable then dont you think we would know absolutely nothing about it?

Subconscious means that it is formed without our logical intervention (which logic cannot in fact interfere).

But the point is that its not a "click" inside someones brain. Its a proceedure that starts... (if anyone even knows when it starts). The point I am trying to make here by mentioning all that stuff is that there are different reason that affect homosexuality than the ones you think. Read a psychology book and go to the section about sexuality. You will find also theories that pretty much state that the same types of influences make other people heterosexual and others homosexuals.

Again I find the fact that most gay people were born in a homophobic environment or an nevironment where no homosexual role-model was at play, a pretty strong argument against yours.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Johnny-n-Roger"] I beleive it's an environmental trait picked up during an infantile state. Maybe the way your mother handles you, or the way you're fed. I've asked a couple gay guys when they realized they were gay and attested that they realized they were gay before they even hit puberty.Ace_WondersX

But the case is: here applies the same thing that it applies in the case we find a biological/genetic cause of homosexuality. People will rush to find methods to remove said gene, or to find a "cure" to the supposed "disease". Would we apply the same course of thinking to black people 100 years ago? Had we found a way to prevent the skin to be black from birth wouldnt the "white" rulers of the world 100 years ago decide to proceed to such a stupid step?

Now in this case why would we try to loose our sleep as parents over the mere possibility that our intricate moves and subliminal messages we "broadcast" may affect our childs sexuality? Wouldnt that make parenthood seem like a field of extreme interference of "musts" and "shoulds" with the prupose being to rid the world of homosexuals as if they are diseased, while on the other hand it is obvious that no harm is coming to society from homosexual people and the only still strong objection to them is stemming from obsolete religious beliefs?

Are you suggesting that the only thing that differentiates black from white people is the skin colour?

PS: You are not answering to all of my points there.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Did I say it cant?

Read the post again... >_>

Teenaged

If the subcoscious was undetectable then dont you think we would know absolutely nothing about it?

Subconscious means that it is formed without our logical intervention (which logic cannot in fact interfere).

But the point is that its not a "click" inside someones brain. Its a proceedure that starts... (if anyone even knows when it starts). The point I am trying to make here by mentioning all that stuff is that there are different reason that affect homosexuality than the ones you think. Read a psychology book and go to the section about sexuality. You will find also theories that pretty much state that the same types of influences make other people heterosexual and others homosexuals.

Again I find the fact that most gay people were born in a homophobic environment or an nevironment where no homosexual role-model was at play, a pretty strong argument against yours.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Teenaged"](RED) I too find those explanations a bit more logical but we couldnt leave it at that cause then homosexuality (or any kind of sexuality) would be based on technicalities on the way someone is raised, and then we would have parents freaking out and trying to hold the baby "this way" cause "if I keep my baby THAT way then it will turn out into a homosexual". >_>

But the case is: here applies the same thing that it applies in the case we find a biological/genetic cause of homosexuality. People will rush to find methods to remove said gene, or to find a "cure" to the supposed "disease". Would we apply the same course of thinking to black people 100 years ago? Had we found a way to prevent the skin to be black from birth wouldnt the "white" rulers of the world 100 years ago decide to proceed to such a stupid step?

Now in this case why would we try to loose our sleep as parents over the mere possibility that our intricate moves and subliminal messages we "broadcast" may affect our childs sexuality? Wouldnt that make parenthood seem like a field of extreme interference of "musts" and "shoulds" with the prupose being to rid the world of homosexuals as if they are diseased, while on the other hand it is obvious that no harm is coming to society from homosexual people and the only still strong objection to them is stemming from obsolete religious beliefs?

Teenaged

Are you suggesting that the only thing that differentiates black from white people is the skin colour?

PS: You are not answering to all of my points there.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] If you're aware of an urge then it's not subconscious. The if the decision is subconscious then the person has no idea that a decision was ever made. So I feel sexuality is a subconscious decision made by the brain at some point in life. Anything else then we'll end up going into the "Are people born gay argument" Ace_WondersX

If the subcoscious was undetectable then dont you think we would know absolutely nothing about it?

Subconscious means that it is formed without our logical intervention (which logic cannot in fact interfere).

But the point is that its not a "click" inside someones brain. Its a proceedure that starts... (if anyone even knows when it starts). The point I am trying to make here by mentioning all that stuff is that there are different reason that affect homosexuality than the ones you think. Read a psychology book and go to the section about sexuality. You will find also theories that pretty much state that the same types of influences make other people heterosexual and others homosexuals.

Again I find the fact that most gay people were born in a homophobic environment or an nevironment where no homosexual role-model was at play, a pretty strong argument against yours.

Ha thats a good one! Honestly scientists dont come up with psychological theories by taking a brain, examining its morphology or certain physical parts of it and then drawing a conclusion.

Thats why subcoscious can be brought to the surface; something that happens when you go to a therapist etc etc. Thus it is detectable.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] Dark skin is a trait linked to the negroid phenotype. If you removed it then they technically wouldn't be blacks anymore, they'll be a new race. So that's comparing borderline genocide to removing an biological abnormality.Ace_WondersX

Are you suggesting that the only thing that differentiates black from white people is the skin colour?

PS: You are not answering to all of my points there.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Thats not true.

If the subcoscious was undetectable then dont you think we would know absolutely nothing about it?

Subconscious means that it is formed without our logical intervention (which logic cannot in fact interfere).

But the point is that its not a "click" inside someones brain. Its a proceedure that starts... (if anyone even knows when it starts). The point I am trying to make here by mentioning all that stuff is that there are different reason that affect homosexuality than the ones you think. Read a psychology book and go to the section about sexuality. You will find also theories that pretty much state that the same types of influences make other people heterosexual and others homosexuals.

Again I find the fact that most gay people were born in a homophobic environment or an nevironment where no homosexual role-model was at play, a pretty strong argument against yours.

Teenaged

Ha thats a good one! Honestly scientists dont come up with psychological theories by taking a brain, examining its morphology or certain physical parts of it and then drawing a conclusion.

Thats why subcoscious can be brought to the surface; something that happens when you go to a therapist etc etc. Thus it is detectable.

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]No its not a genocide. It would be the end of a race as we knew it so far. Thar race would still exist though. Only it would be a victim of the will of some people to please their standards of what is "normal" or "correct". ;)

Are you suggesting that the only thing that differentiates black from white people is the skin colour?

PS: You are not answering to all of my points there.

Teenaged

I will always think it's gross but I like shows like Will and Grace :P Sooo TV gay is OK but real life not so much.

Homosexuals FTW.........oh and i love that some homophobic straight guys like to pretend that every homosexual wants them, when they know for a fact homosexuals would turn them down as much as many chicks turned them down........homosexuals aren't desperate......they dont crave your pee pee just because you have one, stop flattering yourselves lol........they're all different, just like everyone else..........some guys would say they aren't homosexual but then they'd get mad if a homosexual calls them ugly......i dont get it, why you care ? lol

don't understand homophobes at all.......i could never care about someones sexual prefference........doesn't bother me at all being around homosexuals............however......when i'm around a midgit i freak out 0____o

Homosexuals FTW.........oh and i love that some homophobic straight guys like to pretend that every homosexual wants them, when they know for a fact homosexuals would turn them down as much as many chicks turned them down........homosexuals aren't desperate......they dont crave your pee pee just because you have one, stop flattering yourselves lol........they're all different, just like everyone else..........some guys would say they aren't homosexual but then they'd get mad if a homosexual calls them ugly......i dont get it, why you care ? lol

don't understand homophobes at all.......i could never care about someones sexual prefference........doesn't bother me at all being around homosexuals............however......when i'm around a midgit i freak out 0____o

Euroshinobi

Yeah, that amuses me as well. It's as if they think the only thing gays do is ask people to have sex.

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="kingdre"]

I don't approve of their lifestyle, but I don't look down on or discriminate them for it.

12Bullets

If it isn't, why are there erogenous zones that can only be reached through stimulation via the rectum, such as the prostate?

nope i can't accept them at all

[QUOTE="Euroshinobi"]

Homosexuals FTW.........oh and i love that some homophobic straight guys like to pretend that every homosexual wants them, when they know for a fact homosexuals would turn them down as much as many chicks turned them down........homosexuals aren't desperate......they dont crave your pee pee just because you have one, stop flattering yourselves lol........they're all different, just like everyone else..........some guys would say they aren't homosexual but then they'd get mad if a homosexual calls them ugly......i dont get it, why you care ? lol

don't understand homophobes at all.......i could never care about someones sexual prefference........doesn't bother me at all being around homosexuals............however......when i'm around a midgit i freak out 0____o

dracula_16

Yeah, that amuses me as well. It's as if they think the only thing gays do is ask people to have sex.

As if its homosexuals great plan to turn everyone homosexual...........oh no........they maybe up to something 0__o

I don't have a problem with homosexuals because it is a just a sexual preference. You can view it as a higher category of fetishism. Not a choice but an attempt to achieve the highest reward during sexual gratification. When you remove the sexual component, we are all just people.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

[QUOTE="Euroshinobi"]

Homosexuals FTW.........oh and i love that some homophobic straight guys like to pretend that every homosexual wants them, when they know for a fact homosexuals would turn them down as much as many chicks turned them down........homosexuals aren't desperate......they dont crave your pee pee just because you have one, stop flattering yourselves lol........they're all different, just like everyone else..........some guys would say they aren't homosexual but then they'd get mad if a homosexual calls them ugly......i dont get it, why you care ? lol

don't understand homophobes at all.......i could never care about someones sexual prefference........doesn't bother me at all being around homosexuals............however......when i'm around a midgit i freak out 0____o

Yeah, that amuses me as well. It's as if they think the only thing gays do is ask people to have sex.

As if its homosexuals great plan to turn everyone homosexual...........oh no........they maybe up to something 0__o

[QUOTE="Euroshinobi"]

Homosexuals FTW.........oh and i love that some homophobic straight guys like to pretend that every homosexual wants them, when they know for a fact homosexuals would turn them down as much as many chicks turned them down........homosexuals aren't desperate......they dont crave your pee pee just because you have one, stop flattering yourselves lol........they're all different, just like everyone else..........some guys would say they aren't homosexual but then they'd get mad if a homosexual calls them ugly......i dont get it, why you care ? lol

don't understand homophobes at all.......i could never care about someones sexual prefference........doesn't bother me at all being around homosexuals............however......when i'm around a midgit i freak out 0____o

dracula_16

Yeah, that amuses me as well. It's as if they think the only thing gays do is ask people to have sex.

Actually. . . .

I do.
I even enjoy male Lara Croft

I don't approve of their lifestyle, but I don't look down on or discriminate them for it.

kingdre

[QUOTE="kingdre"]

I don't approve of their lifestyle, but I don't look down on or discriminate them for it.

Bourbons3

Well duh. Its a well known fact that all gays are a bunch of pride marching, shorty short wearing, super outlandish, high pitched voiced hair stylists.

[QUOTE="kingdre"]

I don't approve of their lifestyle, but I don't look down on or discriminate them for it.

Bourbons3

Yeah it's okay as long as i don't see any of them, just by thinking othem makes me irk.

jmdude

I don't like them, but I tolerate them. On the other hand, I accept homosexual/bisexual females because I feel that I have nothing to lose/gain by hanging out with them, but if I hang out with a homosexual male, that's another thing[never gonna happen]. th3warr1or

Not a bit. :x

Theokhoth

Certainly. Live and let live.

warbmxjohn

I do.I even enjoy male Lara CroftLto_thaG

[QUOTE="jmdude"]

Yeah it's okay as long as i don't see any of them, just by thinking othem makes me irk.

Bourbons3

I don't like them, but I tolerate them. On the other hand, I accept homosexual/bisexual females because I feel that I have nothing to lose/gain by hanging out with them, but if I hang out with a homosexual male, that's another thing[never gonna happen]. th3warr1or

Because ALL straight men are just irresistably hot! :?

Didn't you know that?

I know i'm off out to bag me some of that!

Let me just fetch my handbag and hotpants...

;)

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Not a bit. :x

super_mario_128

Wanna have sex?:D

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Not a bit. :x

Wanna have sex?:D

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] There are no races just three main phenotypes and everything between. By removing dark skin from blacks you've altered them to the point that they are a different phenotype. If you do this to all blacks, you've eliminated one phenotype. Pretty much genocide without murder.Ace_WondersX

The only way you could have a "genocide" without killing is a full assmilation of the population to another to a degree where evry cultural distinction is lost. Thats why "genicide" is a wrong word to use and not only because you are using it to show that the case of blacks is far more serious than the case of the "elimination" of homosexuals (as if gays are rightfully discriminated against while blacks arent).

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"] People are rarely conscious of their own subconscious hence the name "subconscious". We know of the subconscious by scientist studying other people's brains. Majority of the world is anti-gay like I said and there are always exceptions. 6 billion people(probably less) having children that could easily create millions of exceptionAce_WondersX

Ha thats a good one! Honestly scientists dont come up with psychological theories by taking a brain, examining its morphology or certain physical parts of it and then drawing a conclusion.

Thats why subcoscious can be brought to the surface; something that happens when you go to a therapist etc etc. Thus it is detectable.

And you are still not answering to the point which point has been lost long before when you avoided to reply to the most important parts of my posts and choose to pick on technicalities which tbh dont help neither of our arguments.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="super_mario_128"] Yeh, I hate you too. :evil: super_mario_128

Wanna have sex?:D

ye I dont care anymore either

I see no problem with someone being a homosexual.

As long as they do not show up in public, they are ok, but I can't stand seeing them. They just make me sick, irritates me. My opinion might be unacceptable for most of you, but that's what I feel about them and I can't change it.SongeeX

As long as they do not show up in public, they are ok, but I can't stand seeing them. They just make me sick, irritates me. My opinion might be unacceptable for most of you, but that's what I feel about them and I can't change it.SongeeX