Do you believe Humans evolved from Monkeys?

look at the evidence

now you look me in the eye and say they dont look similar

Until they show real and true evidence, I won't believe we evolved from monkeys...Minzero

What do you believe then?

Until they show real and true evidence, I won't believe we evolved from monkeys...Minzero

What's "real and true evidence"? There's piles and piles of evidence, I guess it's just that evidence which even Harvard graduates can't deny is still not enough for someone of your caliber.

I'll be interested in the nationality of creationists. In Australia, there is no debate for what should be taught in public schools, its evolution, plain and simple. It seems more an American thing... not being racist or anything. linkthewindow

Its not racist to speak the truth.

Almost all those who push creationist theory are Americans. Britain also has it but to a much, much smaller degree.

Its funny because religious legislation can be interpreted as treason, depending on how strictly you follow the constitution. It honestly should be as well. When I become world dictator (just wait...), we'll have a wonderful society where everyone is happy and smiling with daisies in their hands, until someone suggests something religious and then the beat down will begin... haha...

Wait no thats not what I meant... I mean...

Damnit.

[QUOTE="linkthewindow"]I'll be interested in the nationality of creationists. In Australia, there is no debate for what should be taught in public schools, its evolution, plain and simple. It seems more an American thing... not being racist or anything. RKfromDownunder

Its not racist to speak the truth.

Almost all those who push creationist theory are Americans. Britain also has it but to a much, much smaller degree.

Its funny because religious legislation can be interpreted as treason, depending on how strictly you follow the constitution. It honestly should be as well. When I become world dictator (just wait...), we'll have a wonderful society where everyone is happy and smiling with daisies in their hands, until someone suggests something religious and then the beat down will begin... haha...

Wait no thats not what I meant... I mean...

Damnit.

Answers in Genesis came out of Australia so I'd imagine there are at least some Creationists there... Many also believe in the biblical creation account in places like South America, Africa, and the rising Christian populations in China and India.

[QUOTE="RKfromDownunder"]

[QUOTE="linkthewindow"]I'll be interested in the nationality of creationists. In Australia, there is no debate for what should be taught in public schools, its evolution, plain and simple. It seems more an American thing... not being racist or anything. mindstorm

Its not racist to speak the truth.

Almost all those who push creationist theory are Americans. Britain also has it but to a much, much smaller degree.

Its funny because religious legislation can be interpreted as treason, depending on how strictly you follow the constitution. It honestly should be as well. When I become world dictator (just wait...), we'll have a wonderful society where everyone is happy and smiling with daisies in their hands, until someone suggests something religious and then the beat down will begin... haha...

Wait no thats not what I meant... I mean...

Damnit.

Answers in Genesis came out of Australia so I'd imagine there are at least some Creationists there... Many also believe in the biblical creation account in places like South America, Africa, and the rising Christian populations in China and India.

Tut tut tut. Evolution? Seriously? How can scientists ignore evidence so strong as the word of God?
Mr_sprinkles

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Tut tut tut. Evolution? Seriously? How can scientists ignore evidence so strong as the word of God?
linkthewindow

[QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Tut tut tut. Evolution? Seriously? How can scientists ignore evidence so strong as the word of God?
Mr_sprinkles

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Tut tut tut. Evolution? Seriously? How can scientists ignore evidence so strong as the word of God?
linkthewindow

[QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Tut tut tut. Evolution? Seriously? How can scientists ignore evidence so strong as the word of God?
DeeJayInphinity

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Tut tut tut. Evolution? Seriously? How can scientists ignore evidence so strong as the word of God?
linkthewindow

Christianity teaches that there is more than what is seen in reality. There is a belief in the supernatural: what cannot be explained, what goes against what can be observed in science. When one has a view of the world like that, Creationism isn't that far fetched of an idea.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Tut tut tut. Evolution? Seriously? How can scientists ignore evidence so strong as the word of God?
Mr_sprinkles

Christianity teaches that there is more than what is seen in reality. There is a belief in the supernatural: what cannot be explained, what goes against what can be observed in science. When one has a view of the world like that, Creationism isn't that far fetched of an idea.

mindstorm

Christianity teaches the unreal? You said it!

Science endeavours to explain. What used to be supernatural becomes part of nature, once scientific understanding is applied to it. Take comets, eclipses and spontaneous human combustion as examples.

When one has a world view like that, one must remember that it is based on evidence that rational human scientific endeavour would dismiss as not so much "far fetched", but as untrue.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Christianity teaches that there is more than what is seen in reality. There is a belief in the supernatural: what cannot be explained, what goes against what can be observed in science. When one has a view of the world like that, Creationism isn't that far fetched of an idea.

RationalAtheist

Christianity teaches the unreal? You said it!

Science endeavours to explain. What used to be supernatural becomes part of nature, once scientific understanding is applied to it. Take comets, eclipses and spontaneous human combustion as examples.

When one has a world view like that, one must remember that it is based on evidence that rational human scientific endeavour would dismiss as not so much "far fetched", but as untrue.

That doesn't mean there isn't any evidence for a biblical creation account however. There is a belief in miracles. There is a belief in a higher power. There is a belief that one can discover truth about that higher power through study of both his Word and his creation.

Why not assume things can happen that is beyond all reason?

Christianity teaches that there is more than what is seen in reality. There is a belief in the supernatural: what cannot be explained, what goes against what can be observed in science. When one has a view of the world like that, Creationism isn't that far fetched of an idea.

mindstorm

Science can only study the natural world, therefore it makes no comments on the supernatural or God. Scientists have simply looked at the natural, evidence around us and stated that:
1. The Earth is 4 billion years old
2. All life forms developed from evolution

But then Christians who come along want to make a religious war out of it because it doesn't comply with their beliefs which cannot be tested or measured in any way. The problem lies with the religious followers, not the scientists.

If Creationism isn't far fetched, then it's not far fetched to believe in magic, fairies, witchcraft or the creation stories of the Greek/Roman Gods, the Dreamtime (Australian Aboriginal beliefs). None of these can be explained by Science, and all of these are older concepts than Christianity.

That doesn't mean there isn't any evidence for a biblical creation account however. There is a belief in miracles. There is a belief in a higher power. There is a belief that one can discover truth about that higher power through study of both his Word and his creation.

Why not assume things can happen that is beyond all reason?

mindstorm

[QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Tut tut tut. Evolution? Seriously? How can scientists ignore evidence so strong as the word of God?
DeeJayInphinity

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Christianity teaches that there is more than what is seen in reality. There is a belief in the supernatural: what cannot be explained, what goes against what can be observed in science. When one has a view of the world like that, Creationism isn't that far fetched of an idea.

mindstorm

Christianity teaches the unreal? You said it!

Science endeavours to explain. What used to be supernatural becomes part of nature, once scientific understanding is applied to it. Take comets, eclipses and spontaneous human combustion as examples.

When one has a world view like that, one must remember that it is based on evidence that rational human scientific endeavour would dismiss as not so much "far fetched", but as untrue.

That doesn't mean there isn't any evidence for a biblical creation account however. There is a belief in miracles. There is a belief in a higher power. There is a belief that one can discover truth about that higher power through study of both his Word and his creation.

Why not assume things can happen that is beyond all reason?

The evidence for biblical creation is weak. It is far outweighed disputed and countered by evidence, from so many impartial sources, that proves otherwise.

These sources (astrology, cosmology, biology, medicine, geology, physics, etc.) have not conspired maliciously against religion. In fact, religious people have been included in scientific disovery, when they use the rational scientific framework. For example, a French Catholic Priest first postulated on the big bang and the age of the universe.

What is reason? Even without a definition, it would naturally be unreasonable to assume something that is beyond all reason.

You keep saying there's evidence for creationism yet you've never given any examples.DeeJayInphinity

The Genesis story is evidence, just not very good evidence.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

That doesn't mean there isn't any evidence for a biblical creation account however. There is a belief in miracles. There is a belief in a higher power. There is a belief that one can discover truth about that higher power through study of both his Word and his creation.

Why not assume things can happen that is beyond all reason?

DeeJayInphinity

Here is one thing I find intriguing.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

You keep saying there's evidence for creationism yet you've never given any examples.RationalAtheist

The Genesis story is evidence, just not very good evidence.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

You keep saying there's evidence for creationism yet you've never given any examples.RationalAtheist

The Genesis story is evidence, just not very good evidence.

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

You keep saying there's evidence for creationism yet you've never given any examples.DeeJayInphinity

The Genesis story is evidence, just not very good evidence.

Here is one thing I find intriguing.

mindstorm

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

That doesn't mean there isn't any evidence for a biblical creation account however. There is a belief in miracles. There is a belief in a higher power. There is a belief that one can discover truth about that higher power through study of both his Word and his creation.

Why not assume things can happen that is beyond all reason?

mindstorm

Here is one thing I find intriguing.

That's not evidence for creationism...

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

You keep saying there's evidence for creationism yet you've never given any examples.linkthewindow

The Genesis story is evidence, just not very good evidence.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Here is one thing I find intriguing.

DeeJayInphinity

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Here is one thing I find intriguing.

DeeJayInphinity

"Finding these tissues in dinosaurs changes the way we think about fossilization, because our theories of how fossils are preserved don't allow for this [soft-tissue preservation],"Mary H Schweitzer - a paleontologist at North Carolina State University

Sounds more like an excuse to me, "This looks like it died not long ago, it couldn't have! We'll just have to change our theories again!"

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]

You keep saying there's evidence for creationism yet you've never given any examples.linkthewindow

The Genesis story is evidence, just not very good evidence.

Not really. Harry Potter is written as fiction. Some people (those who use it as evidence) think the bible is factual.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Here is one thing I find intriguing.

mindstorm

"Finding these tissues in dinosaurs changes the way we think about fossilization, because our theories of how fossils are preserved don't allow for this [soft-tissue preservation],"Mary H Schweitzer - a paleontologist at North Carolina State University

Sounds more like an excuse to me, "This looks like it died not long ago, it couldn't have! We'll just have to change our theories again!"

No, more like: "We do not fully understand preservation"

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z101/Hapki/embryo-compare.jpglulzfactor

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Here is one thing I find intriguing.

mindstorm

"Finding these tissues in dinosaurs changes the way we think about fossilization, because our theories of how fossils are preserved don't allow for this [soft-tissue preservation],"Mary H Schweitzer - a paleontologist at North Carolina State University

Sounds more like an excuse to me, "This looks like it died not long ago, it couldn't have! We'll just have to change our theories again!"

Don't forget it was found within a fossil. they don't form over night.

Whateves, i've even been to a museum where they prove that dinosaurs lived at the same time as man. Thats what they teach at my school and it's the new way of thinking vs the old darwinism way.

iusm78

XD I remember several years ago when I heard about that idiotic museum being built.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Here is one thing I find intriguing.

DrSponge

"Finding these tissues in dinosaurs changes the way we think about fossilization, because our theories of how fossils are preserved don't allow for this [soft-tissue preservation],"Mary H Schweitzer - a paleontologist at North Carolina State University

Sounds more like an excuse to me, "This looks like it died not long ago, it couldn't have! We'll just have to change our theories again!"

No, more like: "We do not fully understand preservation"

If you want to have the faith that the bone is millions of years old then you have that right.

Here is one thing I find intriguing.mindstorm

Did you read the rebuttal that was also posted on the site.

Or what about some less biased coverage.

that was proven to be a hoax my friend, that is a drawing of what Evolution would teach but is not how the embryos actually look... I can't link the books I have on it but one of the is Total Truth by Nancy Pearcy. It shows actual photographs of what they actually look like.mindstorm

Oh really? Now why should I believe your book over what I've been taught in school for several years?

If you want to have the faith that the bone is millions of years old then you have that right.

mindstorm

No one knows how old it is due to these findings.

If you want to have the faith that the bone is millions of years old then you have that right.mindstorm

It's not a question of faith - it's a question of understanding.

There is good reason to believe that the bone is as old as it's been measured. There are many supporting pieces of evidence for it - location and depth of find, other fossils in the area, radiometric dating, comparative natural history, etc.

Ther are valid reasons why scientists believe the things they do.