Do you believe Humans evolved from Monkeys?

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Christianity teaches that there is more than what is seen in reality. There is a belief in the supernatural: what cannot be explained, what goes against what can be observed in science. When one has a view of the world like that, Creationism isn't that far fetched of an idea.

mindstorm

Christianity teaches the unreal? You said it!

Science endeavours to explain. What used to be supernatural becomes part of nature, once scientific understanding is applied to it. Take comets, eclipses and spontaneous human combustion as examples.

When one has a world view like that, one must remember that it is based on evidence that rational human scientific endeavour would dismiss as not so much "far fetched", but as untrue.

That doesn't mean there isn't any evidence for a biblical creation account however. There is a belief in miracles. There is a belief in a higher power. There is a belief that one can discover truth about that higher power through study of both his Word and his creation.

Why not assume things can happen that is beyond all reason?

There is not a single piece of evidence for creationism that has been recognised by any meaningful scientific body, other than creation science (aka psuedo science) organisations themselves.

Face it. The Grand Canyon was not carved by the flood. If you have any idea of what an industrial steel water cuter is, then you need to understand that the water of the floods would have had to have been moving many times faster than that. If believe that is possible, then you need to understand that heroin is not a science textbook, so stop taking it.

You can't create a Canyon with a flood. Slate is not a soft rock. Hundreds of meters of slate doesn't dissapear instantly.

And lets get this straight:

CARBON DATING IS MORE RELIABLE THAN A BOOK.

[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Here is one thing I find intriguing.

mindstorm

"Finding these tissues in dinosaurs changes the way we think about fossilization, because our theories of how fossils are preserved don't allow for this [soft-tissue preservation],"Mary H Schweitzer - a paleontologist at North Carolina State University

Sounds more like an excuse to me, "This looks like it died not long ago, it couldn't have! We'll just have to change our theories again!"

No, more like: "We do not fully understand preservation"

If you want to have the faith that the bone is millions of years old then you have that right.

pah, radiometric dating. Geological dating. thermoluminescence dating. LIES!!!

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Here is one thing I find intriguing.

Mr_sprinkles

"Finding these tissues in dinosaurs changes the way we think about fossilization, because our theories of how fossils are preserved don't allow for this [soft-tissue preservation],"Mary H Schweitzer - a paleontologist at North Carolina State University

Sounds more like an excuse to me, "This looks like it died not long ago, it couldn't have! We'll just have to change our theories again!"

No, more like: "We do not fully understand preservation"

If you want to have the faith that the bone is millions of years old then you have that right.

pah, radiometric dating. Geological dating. thermoluminescence dating. LIES!!!

I think hes being sarcastic again :?.linkthewindow

[QUOTE="linkthewindow"] I think hes being sarcastic again :?. Mr_sprinkles

+10 internet points!

:cry: Argh! Sarcasm overload!

(or is it?)

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="linkthewindow"] I think hes being sarcastic again :?. RationalAtheist

+10 internet points!

:cry: Argh! Sarcasm overload!

(or is it?)

[QUOTE="lulzfactor"]http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z101/Hapki/embryo-compare.jpgmindstorm

Interesting, that pic comes from Honolulu State University.

Nancy Pearcy is interesting. Here is a quote from her book:

"We have to reject the division of life into a secular realm that includes science, politics, economics, and the rest of the public arena. This dichotomy in our own minds is the greatest barrier to liberating the power of the gospel across the whole of culture today."

I'd say that is rather an un-hinged and irresposible attitude.

[QUOTE="KG86"][QUOTE="iusm78"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="iusm78"]

[QUOTE="linkthewindow"]Yes, I am pretty sure that humans evolved from something. Modern science>a thousand-year old book (I'm not anti-religion, but seriously people.)iusm78

Whateves, man. The reason the bible is so old is because it was made a long time ago. That's all. That doesn't mean it's not true. Harvard is the oldest college in the US does that mean it's not true?

Your saying that evolution is false because it has no evidence?Ok, your holy book has absolutely no evidence to back up its magnificent claims.Contrary to your believe evolution has loads of evidence to back it up.You simply choose ignorance over truth for the sake of comfort, or are withheld by fear.

The bible don't need evidence though just faith. That's why it's true. /end

Seemed relevant

Well why would god lie then?

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="RationalAtheist"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]

Christianity teaches that there is more than what is seen in reality. There is a belief in the supernatural: what cannot be explained, what goes against what can be observed in science. When one has a view of the world like that, Creationism isn't that far fetched of an idea.

RKfromDownunder

Christianity teaches the unreal? You said it!

Science endeavours to explain. What used to be supernatural becomes part of nature, once scientific understanding is applied to it. Take comets, eclipses and spontaneous human combustion as examples.

When one has a world view like that, one must remember that it is based on evidence that rational human scientific endeavour would dismiss as not so much "far fetched", but as untrue.

That doesn't mean there isn't any evidence for a biblical creation account however. There is a belief in miracles. There is a belief in a higher power. There is a belief that one can discover truth about that higher power through study of both his Word and his creation.

Why not assume things can happen that is beyond all reason?

There is not a single piece of evidence for creationism that has been recognised by any meaningful scientific body, other than creation science (aka psuedo science) organisations themselves.

Face it. The Grand Canyon was not carved by the flood. If you have any idea of what an industrial steel water cuter is, then you need to understand that the water of the floods would have had to have been moving many times faster than that. If believe that is possible, then you need to understand that heroin is not a science textbook, so stop taking it.

You can't create a Canyon with a flood. Slate is not a soft rock. Hundreds of meters of slate doesn't dissapear instantly.

And lets get this straight:

CARBON DATING IS MORE RELIABLE THAN A BOOK.

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"][QUOTE="iusm78"][QUOTE="Zagrius"]

[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"][QUOTE="iusm78"]Only if you believe in evolution which is wack. it's not even proven. when they have evidence then i'll believe it.iusm78

Yeah, except that evolution has been proven to occur. The theory merely deals with the question of how it happens and what factors affect it. Also you'd need to be blind to miss the mountains of evidence supporting it. Or at least wearing very thick sun-glasses.

Well it hasn't been proven to me. I'm in science school and they don't even teach that anymore because it's so lame.

What kind of science school are you attending.You should study up on evolution before you run around making ignorant comments.

Whateves, i've even been to a museum where they prove that dinosaurs lived at the same time as man. Thats what they teach at my school and it's the new way of thinking vs the old darwinism way.

[QUOTE="iusm78"]Whateves, i've even been to a museum where they prove that dinosaurs lived at the same time as man. Thats what they teach at my school and it's the new way of thinking vs the old darwinism way.Weslii

I would think that iusm's museum teaches human-dinosaur co-existance because the bible supports it, not because the two are agreeing on a fact.

Only if you believe in evolution which is wack. it's not even proven. when they have evidence then i'll believe it.iusm78

Do some research you will find proof.... remember its the answer to how we got here not why

OK this is all to do with the theory of evolution. Keep in mind that the dictionary says that the meaning of 'theory' is a guess, contemplation or speculation. There is a reason why it's not called Fact of Evolution, there are a lot of wholes in this theory, I know some pople want to live there life by science but come on lets not take what ever Science says as the word of God. Trust me I love Science as much as the next guy and I do agree with somethings science has to say, for example Big Bang, expansion od the Universe etc but believing on a theory just for the sake of it is plain stupid. You guys are aware that even some Scientists are against Darwins theory.Chilled_AB

Theory in the scientific context is the explanation of the facts.

Evolution happens. The "theory" part is how it happens.

OK this is all to do with the theory of evolution. Keep in mind that the dictionary says that the meaning of 'theory' is a guess, contemplation or speculation. There is a reason why it's not called Fact of Evolution, there are a lot of wholes in this theory, I know some pople want to live there life by science but come on lets not take what ever Science says as the word of God. Trust me I love Science as much as the next guy and I do agree with somethings science has to say, for example Big Bang, expansion od the Universe etc but believing on a theory just for the sake of it is plain stupid. You guys are aware that even some Scientists are against Darwins theory.Chilled_AB

I dont think we humans evolved from apes. I just dont. I am not persuaded. I guess a big factor in that, is there are still apes. If they were going to evolve into humans, there would be no apes left. At least thats what i think. *Shrugs* I dont care if you agree with me or not, an internet forum... in OT none the less, is not going to change my beliefs on it.

Plus, whats it really matter how we got here? We just are. Deal with it. *Shrugs again*

Well Science may have invented there own version of theory and it's ironic that the original meaning of theory is a guess but in Science it mean Fact. Some people may find comfort thinking they evolved from Apes but I believe that the Humans are far superior to any animal, we are above and beyond animals. Sure if you want to complain I don't mind if you guys discount my belief in humankind being superior and not animals. There are alot of errors in Darwins theory which Darwin himself aknowledged.Chilled_AB

'Theory' in science does not equal 'fact'. It is an explanation for all available evidence.

This should lead to a better understanding of the scientific method on your part.

No, I do not believe that we evolved from Monkeys because I believe God created the world and everything in there.Wolf-Man2006

QFT

I dont think we humans evolved from apes. I just dont. I am not persuaded. I guess a big factor in that, is there are still apes. If they were going to evolve into humans, there would be no apes left. At least thats what i think. *Shrugs* I dont care if you agree with me or not, an internet forum... in OT none the less, is not going to change my beliefs on it.

Plus, whats it really matter how we got here? We just are. Deal with it. *Shrugs again*

xhellcatx

Only if you believe in evolution which is wack. it's not even proven. when they have evidence then i'll believe it.iusm78

[QUOTE="Zagrius"]

[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"][QUOTE="iusm78"]Only if you believe in evolution which is wack. it's not even proven. when they have evidence then i'll believe it.iusm78

Yeah, except that evolution has been proven to occur. The theory merely deals with the question of how it happens and what factors affect it. Also you'd need to be blind to miss the mountains of evidence supporting it. Or at least wearing very thick sun-glasses.

Well it hasn't been proven to me. I'm in science school and they don't even teach that anymore because it's so lame.

wtf is "science school"? I smell a 12 year old....

And I doubt anyone educated would claim that the reason they dont believe in evolution is that its "lame". Haha, first off, learn what it means and how the process happens, then spout your ignorance)

[QUOTE="iusm78"][QUOTE="Zagrius"]

[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"][QUOTE="iusm78"]Only if you believe in evolution which is wack. it's not even proven. when they have evidence then i'll believe it.smarb001

Yeah, except that evolution has been proven to occur. The theory merely deals with the question of how it happens and what factors affect it. Also you'd need to be blind to miss the mountains of evidence supporting it. Or at least wearing very thick sun-glasses.

Well it hasn't been proven to me. I'm in science school and they don't even teach that anymore because it's so lame.

wtf is "science school"? I smell a 12 year old....

And I doubt anyone educated would claim that the reason they dont believe in evolution is that its "lame". Haha, first off, learn what it means and how the process happens, then spout your ignorance)

[QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="linkthewindow"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Tut tut tut. Evolution? Seriously? How can scientists ignore evidence so strong as the word of God?
DeeJayInphinity

Ambiguity! (yes i read dictionaries :P)

If monkeys and humans are the same things, how come one of us got a fatal disease when we *hubba, hubba* one of them?MassEfectivator

No, I do not believe that we evolved from Monkeys because I believe God created the world and everything in there.Wolf-Man2006

No.I know human beings evolved from apes.Well we still are apes.xxDustmanxx

Ok it is not Monkeys that Humans evolved from, it is Apes. :Dmohan88

[QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]No.I know human beings evolved from apes.Well we still are apes.CptJSparrow

Sorry for the misinformation.But wouldnt that common ancestor be an ape?

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="xxDustmanxx"]No.I know human beings evolved from apes.Well we still are apes.xxDustmanxx

Sorry for the misinformation.But wouldnt that common ancestor be an ape?

edit: I think when we refer to ape, we're talking about modern apes, which humans did not evolve from.