[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]Nope. Believing in the afterlife means I believe in a higher power, which is just ridiculous. It affects my life in that I accept death and the inevitable and unavoidable, until science cures it.Zyrokin
Had to say that it is ridiculous, but perhaps it is ridiculous that you think it is ridiculous.
No it is ridiculous that humans today believe in stories made by humans 2000+ years ago. They didn't even know the Earth was round or why birds can fly. I am certainly not going to put much weight on their stories of beyond death and higher powers. That would just be ridiculous.
I'm not hating on anyone who believes in that stuff. The questioned asked for my opinion on the matter and I gave it and why I don't believe in the afterlife. Because I think it is ridiculous.Not saying it doesn't exist but I am certainly not augmenting my lifestyle and belief system around something so beyond what we currently know. Ridiculous? I don't really think so.
I love that word.
Why does it mash my text together, these forums are buggy.
[QUOTE="tocool340"]No. At least, I hope there isn't an afterlife. I don't think neither hell or heaven are an enjoyable place to exist in after death....SkyWard20
Heaven is by definition very enjoyable. Who wouldn't want an eternal reward? I know I would. Christianity ftw. :>I don't want an eternal afterlife, be it heaven, hell or here on Earth. One century is enough surely.
I tend to look at it this way: either there is an afterlife, or there isn't. If there is, no problem; if there isn't, then we won't be around to know that there isn't.
GabuEx
I like this way of thinking. I believe... well, I don't know, as does everyone else. I hope there's an afterlife, because I simply can't wrap my head around the prospect of simply not existing anymore, but the lack of prove for there being one leads me to believe that it doesn't exist. No way to find out other than actually experiencing it, sadly. As for how this affects my life... I'd say it's a general anxiety on the thought of it. I try not to worry about the subject, since life is meant for living, not worrying about dying.
[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="Zyrokin"][QUOTE="Human-after-all"]Nope. Believing in the afterlife means I believe in a higher power, which is just ridiculous. It affects my life in that I accept death and the inevitable and unavoidable, until science cures it. Had to say that it is ridiculous, but perhaps it is ridiculous that you think it is ridiculous. No it is ridiculous that humans today believe in stories made by humans 2000+ years ago. They didn't even know the Earth was round or why birds can fly. I am certainly not going to put much weight on their stories of beyond death and higher powers. That would just be ridiculous. I'm not hating on anyone who believes in that stuff. The questioned asked for my opinion on the matter and I gave it and why I don't believe in the afterlife. Because I think it is ridiculous. Not saying it doesn't exist but I am certainly not augmenting my lifestyle and belief system around something so beyond what we currently know. Ridiculous? I love that word. That's a better explanation, you think it is ridiculous. The idea isn't ridiculous, it is just to you. I can dig that. Would it be ridiculous for me to say that is ridiculous not believe there is no afterlife?
[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="Zyrokin"] Had to say that it is ridiculous, but perhaps it is ridiculous that you think it is ridiculous.Zyrokin
No it is ridiculous that humans today believe in stories made by humans 2000+ years ago. They didn't even know the Earth was round or why birds can fly. I am certainly not going to put much weight on their stories of beyond death and higher powers. That would just be ridiculous. I'm not hating on anyone who believes in that stuff. The questioned asked for my opinion on the matter and I gave it and why I don't believe in the afterlife. Because I think it is ridiculous. Not saying it doesn't exist but I am certainly not augmenting my lifestyle and belief system around something so beyond what we currently know. Ridiculous? I love that word. That's a better explanation, you think it is ridiculous. The idea isn't ridiculous, it is just to you. I can dig that. Would it be ridiculous for me to say that is ridiculous not believe there is no afterlife?Yes, it would, because it's not ridiculous to not believe that is an afterlife. Believing as absolute truth the words of ignorant men who knew far less than you about the world IS ridiculous.
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Heaven is by definition very enjoyable. This is debatable. Heaven described as in the Bible doesn't sound very enjoyable to me. Here's a pretty good video on this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24uuDa7S2HQ
[QUOTE="tocool340"]No. At least, I hope there isn't an afterlife. I don't think neither hell or heaven are an enjoyable place to exist in after death....SkyWard20
Heaven is by definition very enjoyable. Who wouldn't want an eternal reward? I know I would. Christianity ftw. :>
That's why so many people have faith, nothing make sense in religion, but it has more or less good morals, and a reward.
Heaven is by definition very enjoyable. Who wouldn't want an eternal reward? I know I would. Christianity ftw. :>SkyWard20
What if you accidentally picked the wrong God to worship? What if the Bible and everything taught by the organized Church is merely a ruse to sin by the Devil? What if the real God only wants you to be a good person and respect others, and not follow holy books, rituals or other human inventions?
Eternal reward/punishment would imply you did something infinite in effect. Since everything in the human world is finite, it contradicts the idea of eternal reward/punishment.
And why do you want a reward? Isn't being a good person, and helping others reward enough? I see Heaven as an equal punishment to Hell. Not only do you exist infinitely (you would only ever see those you loved die around you, especially if they don't make it there with you) but you spend that time constantly at the feet of a being that demands your worship lest you be punished. I don't even see why Godwants to be worshiped... because that would go against the teachings of selflessness and compassion. Demanding worship is a very selfish thing, and something that cannot logically be ascribed to a merciful, forgiving, selfless and omni-benevolent being.
[QUOTE="Zyrokin"][QUOTE="Human-after-all"] No it is ridiculous that humans today believe in stories made by humans 2000+ years ago. They didn't even know the Earth was round or why birds can fly. I am certainly not going to put much weight on their stories of beyond death and higher powers. That would just be ridiculous. I'm not hating on anyone who believes in that stuff. The questioned asked for my opinion on the matter and I gave it and why I don't believe in the afterlife. Because I think it is ridiculous. Not saying it doesn't exist but I am certainly not augmenting my lifestyle and belief system around something so beyond what we currently know. Ridiculous? I love that word.HAHAITHINKNOT
That's a better explanation, you think it is ridiculous. The idea isn't ridiculous, it is just to you. I can dig that. Would it be ridiculous for me to say that is ridiculous not believe there is no afterlife?Yes, it would, because it's not ridiculous to not believe that is an afterlife. Believing as absolute truth the words of ignorant men who knew far less than you about the world IS ridiculous. Your first sentence has ridiculous form. Come back when you fix it.
[QUOTE="Zyrokin"] That's a better explanation, you think it is ridiculous. The idea isn't ridiculous, it is just to you. I can dig that. Would it be ridiculous for me to say that is ridiculous not believe there is no afterlife?Zyrokin
Yes, it would, because it's not ridiculous to not believe that is an afterlife. Believing as absolute truth the words of ignorant men who knew far less than you about the world IS ridiculous. Your first sentence has ridiculous form. Come back when you fix it.I suspect you know very well what I'm saying, but anyway: Yes, it would, because it's not ridiculous to not believe that there is an afterlife.
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="tocool340"]No. At least, I hope there isn't an afterlife. I don't think neither hell or heaven are an enjoyable place to exist in after death....bloodling
Heaven is by definition very enjoyable. Who wouldn't want an eternal reward? I know I would. Christianity ftw. :>
That's why so many people have faith, nothing make sense in religion, but it has more or less good morals, and a reward.
Believing to get "a reward" doesn't sound like true faith to me though.
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Well I actually like the idea of people whom taken the rights of others bee punished at least .TELLMEYOURLIFE
Only a sadist would really like the idea of hell, I'm sorry. There's punishment and there's an infinity of disproportional punishment. well I by myself have been tortured in a way that my rage made me wish they stay in a place even more worse than hell , and Im not kidding.
[QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Well I actually like the idea of people whom taken the rights of others bee punished at least .gubrushadow
Only a sadist would really like the idea of hell, I'm sorry. There's punishment and there's an infinity of disproportional punishment. well I by myself have been tortured in a way that my rage made me wish they stay in a place even more worse than hell , and Im not kidding.Then your emotions are taking precedence over reason and objectivity; that's nothing to boast about.
[QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Well I actually like the idea of people whom taken the rights of others bee punished at least .gubrushadow
Only a sadist would really like the idea of hell, I'm sorry. There's punishment and there's an infinity of disproportional punishment. well I by myself have been tortured in a way that my rage made me wish they stay in a place even more worse than hell , and Im not kidding.What, for eternity? Also what HAHAITHINKNOT said.
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Heaven is by definition very enjoyable. Who wouldn't want an eternal reward? I know I would. Christianity ftw. :>TELLMEYOURLIFE
That's why so many people have faith, nothing make sense in religion, but it has more or less good morals, and a reward.
Believing to get "a reward" doesn't sound like true faith to me though.
To me, true faith is believing and completely disregarding everything that don't make sense, and thinking "oh well, atheism doesn't make sense to me either, so this must be true".
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="TELLMEYOURLIFE"]Only a sadist would really like the idea of hell, I'm sorry. There's punishment and there's an infinity of disproportional punishment.HAHAITHINKNOT
well I by myself have been tortured in a way that my rage made me wish they stay in a place even more worse than hell , and Im not kidding.Then your emotions are taking precedence over reason and objectivity; that's nothing to boast about. btw , I dont care .
[QUOTE="Zyrokin"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Yes, it would, because it's not ridiculous to not believe that is an afterlife. Believing as absolute truth the words of ignorant men who knew far less than you about the world IS ridiculous.
HAHAITHINKNOT
Your first sentence has ridiculous form. Come back when you fix it.I suspect you know very well what I'm saying, but anyway: Yes, it would, because it's not ridiculous to not believe that there is an afterlife. Yup ;) I thought I knew what you meant, but I just wanted a correction because I try not to assume. **Assuming we put aside religion**, is it ridiculous to believe in an afterlife? I don't think so. Our "souls" either live on or don't. Or as others have pointed out, the energy of us goes on possibly(I consider this a sort of after-life for the record). Or, there is no afterlife. We cannot prove anyone of these over the other. In the end, we can only apply what logic makes sense to us and make an educated guess personally. To each their own, but I don't think the unproven can be called ridiculous.
That's why so many people have faith, nothing make sense in religion, but it has more or less good morals, and a reward.
bloodling
Believing to get "a reward" doesn't sound like true faith to me though.
To me, true faith is believing and completely disregarding everything that don't make sense, and thinking "oh well, atheism doesn't make sense to me either, so this must be true".
Sorry but I don't get the conclusion, how did you decide between, for example, Christianity and Islam? I agree that faith is believing in one thing completely, my point was that it sounds like people would force themselves to believe for the big rewards you speak of.
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"] well I by myself have been tortured in a way that my rage made me wish they stay in a place even more worse than hell , and Im not kidding.gubrushadow
Then your emotions are taking precedence over reason and objectivity; that's nothing to boast about. btw , I dont care .And there's the brutality at the heart of the religious mindset. 'I want you to roast in hell for eternity and I don't care how unfair that is.'
To me, true faith is believing and completely disregarding everything that don't make sense, and thinking "oh well, atheism doesn't make sense to me either, so this must be true".
TELLMEYOURLIFE
Sorry but I don't get the conclusion, how did you decide between, for example, Christianity and Islam? I agree that faith is believing in one thing completely, my point was that it sounds like people would force themselves to believe for the big rewards you speak of.
That's a possibility, consciously or subconsciously. My point is, you can never be 100% sure in religion, and people who claim they can are blinded by something, or just don't understand.
I've heard the argument "what if hell exists" way too often.
[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"][QUOTE="Zyrokin"] Your first sentence has ridiculous form. Come back when you fix it.Zyrokin
I suspect you know very well what I'm saying, but anyway: Yes, it would, because it's not ridiculous to not believe that there is an afterlife. Yup ;) I thought I knew what you meant, but I just wanted a correction because I try not to assume. **Assuming we put aside religion**, is it ridiculous to believe in an afterlife? I don't think so. Our "souls" either live on or don't. Or as others have pointed out, the energy of us goes on possibly(I consider this a sort of after-life for the record). Or, there is no afterlife. We cannot prove anyone of these over the other. In the end, we can only apply what logic makes sense to us and make an educated guess personally. To each their own, but I don't think the unproven can be called ridiculous.If ANYTHING can be called ridiculous, it's belief in the unproven. We have no reason to believe in the soul, and we have no reason to believe that we are anything but purely material beings who will rot and cease to be after death.
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Then your emotions are taking precedence over reason and objectivity; that's nothing to boast about.
HAHAITHINKNOT
btw , I dont care .And there's the brutality at the heart of the religious mindset. 'I want you to roast in hell for eternity and I don't care how unfair that is.'
[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]And there's the brutality at the heart of the religious mindset. 'I want you to roast in hell for eternity and I don't care how unfair that is.'HAHAITHINKNOT
Totally, 100%. Its one of the few things that I'm this sure of. I'm positive that there will be another life, and we are going to meet once again. Its going to be a different one, with totally different laws and facts.
Benevolent God my ass. Thats it?That's all I need. Your total apathy about your god inflicting infinite torture on people provided all the ammo I could possibly want against any claim that you believed in a kind, just, benevolent deity. I would never worship a god capable of brutality.
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]Heaven is by definition very enjoyable. Who wouldn't want an eternal reward? I know I would. Christianity ftw. :>foxhound_fox
What if you accidentally picked the wrong God to worship? What if the Bible and everything taught by the organized Church is merely a ruse to sin by the Devil? What if the real God only wants you to be a good person and respect others, and not follow holy books, rituals or other human inventions?
Eternal reward/punishment would imply you did something infinite in effect. Since everything in the human world is finite, it contradicts the idea of eternal reward/punishment.
And why do you want a reward? Isn't being a good person, and helping others reward enough? I see Heaven as an equal punishment to Hell. Not only do you exist infinitely (you would only ever see those you loved die around you, especially if they don't make it there with you) but you spend that time constantly at the feet of a being that demands your worship lest you be punished. I don't even see why Godwants to be worshiped... because that would go against the teachings of selflessness and compassion. Demanding worship is a very selfish thing, and something that cannot logically be ascribed to a merciful, forgiving, selfless and omni-benevolent being.
What if doing nothing of the above mentioned is required to go to Heaven? In my vision, a good god will forgive anyone... and save everyone.
[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]I suspect you know very well what I'm saying, but anyway: Yes, it would, because it's not ridiculous to not believe that there is an afterlife.HAHAITHINKNOT
Yup ;) I thought I knew what you meant, but I just wanted a correction because I try not to assume. **Assuming we put aside religion**, is it ridiculous to believe in an afterlife? I don't think so. Our "souls" either live on or don't. Or as others have pointed out, the energy of us goes on possibly(I consider this a sort of after-life for the record). Or, there is no afterlife. We cannot prove anyone of these over the other. In the end, we can only apply what logic makes sense to us and make an educated guess personally. To each their own, but I don't think the unproven can be called ridiculous.If ANYTHING can be called ridiculous, it's belief in the unproven. We have no reason to believe in the soul, and we have no reason to believe that we are anything but purely material beings who will rot and cease to be after death. I see you will not agree with me. But, let me point this out to you, you are calling gravity ridiculous. Just one example, because at one point it was just a belief. Beliefs lead to progress my friend. And as a Christian I believe the Bible was a biography of Jesus's life. Yea I am putting my faith that they were telling the truth about all the things there, but you are putting your faith whenever you take another man's word about anything. Any experiment done by another, that you did not witness, is their word. Just saying, your first sentence is completely ridiculous.
Problem with the whole afterlife business is how do you know if you have not already lived. For example you would never know about already having a life before this so who is to know if you have already been "reborn". I am pretty sure with the 6.6billion people on this planet atleast some people would have already realised they have lived a previous life. If they do does that mean that they get no second chances or do we then become a slug; if so how do we act if we are a slug? I see no slugs doing anything cool asside from slug things.
The whole afterlife seems a bit.... *hands over the special pills* sort of situation. Unless you look at it through alternate realities in which you are born agian in a different universe. I see no reason why people can not execpt there is nothing before you are born what is to make you think there will be anything after. Of course that would mean arguing with religios people or such types and I may as well just give up before I give myself a headache or modded :P
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Benevolent God my ass.HAHAITHINKNOT
Thats it?That's all I need. Your total apathy about your god inflicting infinite torture on people provided all the ammo I could possibly want against any claim that you believed in a kind, just, benevolent deity. I would never worship a god capable of brutality. Why are you implying that people want you to believe in God? Please do not believe in God, and if there will be any consequences you only will have to deal with it. I for one do not care what others believe as long as I'm able to practice my faith without any discrimination.
That's all I need. Your total apathy about your god inflicting infinite torture on people provided all the ammo I could possibly want against any claim that you believed in a kind, just, benevolent deity. I would never worship a god capable of brutality. Why are you implying that people want you to believe in God? Please do not believe in God, and if there will be any consequences you only will have to deal with it. I for one do not care what others believe as long as I'm able to practice my faith without any discrimination.Where did I imply that? It's true regardless, as the weekly visits from Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses will attest.
That's all I need. Your total apathy about your god inflicting infinite torture on people provided all the ammo I could possibly want against any claim that you believed in a kind, just, benevolent deity. I would never worship a god capable of brutality. Why are you implying that people want you to believe in God? Please do not believe in God, and if there will be any consequences you only will have to deal with it. I for one do not care what others believe as long as I'm able to practice my faith without any discrimination. Amen. True tolerance right here.
I do believe in an afterlife. Sometimes I think about it to much... My cousins husband told me once to stop worrying about the things that I can't control, and focus more on the things that I can. I hold those words close to my heart when I find myself pondering to much on the what ifs and the unknowns in life. My belief in an afterlife helps keep me grounded as a person, but, like everything in life, you need to only think about it in moderation. Thinking about the unknown will only lead you astray from where you want to be if you worry over it too much.
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Benevolent God my ass.HAHAITHINKNOT
Thats it?That's all I need. Your total apathy about your god inflicting infinite torture on people provided all the ammo I could possibly want against any claim that you believed in a kind, just, benevolent deity. I would never worship a god capable of brutality. I would be proud .
[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"][QUOTE="Zyrokin"] Yup ;) I thought I knew what you meant, but I just wanted a correction because I try not to assume. **Assuming we put aside religion**, is it ridiculous to believe in an afterlife? I don't think so. Our "souls" either live on or don't. Or as others have pointed out, the energy of us goes on possibly(I consider this a sort of after-life for the record). Or, there is no afterlife. We cannot prove anyone of these over the other. In the end, we can only apply what logic makes sense to us and make an educated guess personally. To each their own, but I don't think the unproven can be called ridiculous.
Zyrokin
If ANYTHING can be called ridiculous, it's belief in the unproven. We have no reason to believe in the soul, and we have no reason to believe that we are anything but purely material beings who will rot and cease to be after death. I see you will not agree with me. But, let me point this out to you, you are calling gravity ridiculous. Just one example, because at one point it was just a belief. Beliefs lead to progress my friend. And as a Christian I believe the Bible was a biography of Jesus's life. Yea I am putting my faith that they were telling the truth about all the things there, but you are putting your faith whenever you take another man's word about anything. Any experiment done by another, that you did not witness, is their word. Just saying, your first sentence is completely ridiculous. What? To believe something is to hold it to be true. Gravity is 'just a belief'. It's also empirically demonstrable. And the Bible isn't much of a biography of Jesus' life, by the way, failing as it does to tell us what he did between the ages of 12 and 30.
That's all I need. Your total apathy about your god inflicting infinite torture on people provided all the ammo I could possibly want against any claim that you believed in a kind, just, benevolent deity. I would never worship a god capable of brutality. Please do not believe in God, :lol:
[QUOTE="Zyrokin"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]If ANYTHING can be called ridiculous, it's belief in the unproven. We have no reason to believe in the soul, and we have no reason to believe that we are anything but purely material beings who will rot and cease to be after death.HAHAITHINKNOT
I see you will not agree with me. But, let me point this out to you, you are calling gravity ridiculous. Just one example, because at one point it was just a belief. Beliefs lead to progress my friend. And as a Christian I believe the Bible was a biography of Jesus's life. Yea I am putting my faith that they were telling the truth about all the things there, but you are putting your faith whenever you take another man's word about anything. Any experiment done by another, that you did not witness, is their word. Just saying, your first sentence is completely ridiculous. What? To believe something is to hold it to be true. Gravity is 'just a belief'. It's also empirically demonstrable. And the Bible isn't much of a biography of Jesus' life, by the way, failing as it does to tell us what he did between the ages of 12 and 30. I didn't say a complete biography, man you are picky. But at one point Newton believed in gravity before he proved it. Or Darwin believed in evolution. Yes I know what a belief is, but it doesn't mean that the belief is correct or incorrect.
I for one do not care what others believe as long as I'm able to practice my faith without any discrimination.GazaAli
I don't like this. If you believe unbelievers are doomed to suffer until the end of time it is your moral obligation to care and save people from this fate, your apathy is frankly downright sickening.
[QUOTE="Zyrokin"] I see you will not agree with me. But, let me point this out to you, you are calling gravity ridiculous. Just one example, because at one point it was just a belief. Beliefs lead to progress my friend. And as a Christian I believe the Bible was a biography of Jesus's life. Yea I am putting my faith that they were telling the truth about all the things there, but you are putting your faith whenever you take another man's word about anything. Any experiment done by another, that you did not witness, is their word. Just saying, your first sentence is completely ridiculous. Zyrokin
What? To believe something is to hold it to be true. Gravity is 'just a belief'. It's also empirically demonstrable. And the Bible isn't much of a biography of Jesus' life, by the way, failing as it does to tell us what he did between the ages of 12 and 30. I didn't say a complete biography, man you are picky. But at one point Newton believed in gravity before he proved it. Or Darwin believed in evolution. Yes I know what a belief is, but it doesn't mean that the belief is correct or incorrect.Uh, when Newton first hypothesised the theory of universal gravitation and Darwin first hypothesised evolution, they weren't certain of them - you fail to take into account the different levels of certainty in human belief.
[QUOTE="Zyrokin"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]What? To believe something is to hold it to be true. Gravity is 'just a belief'. It's also empirically demonstrable. And the Bible isn't much of a biography of Jesus' life, by the way, failing as it does to tell us what he did between the ages of 12 and 30.
HAHAITHINKNOT
I didn't say a complete biography, man you are picky. But at one point Newton believed in gravity before he proved it. Or Darwin believed in evolution. Yes I know what a belief is, but it doesn't mean that the belief is correct or incorrect.Uh, when Newton first hypothesised the theory of universal gravitation and Darwin first hypothesised evolution, they weren't certain of them - you fail to take into account the different levels of certainty in human belief. How do you know what level of certainty they had? But that is besides the point, there still had to be belief, and that is my only point. Science is not just retroactive. Otherwise, where did all these theories come from?
[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"][QUOTE="Zyrokin"] I didn't say a complete biography, man you are picky. But at one point Newton believed in gravity before he proved it. Or Darwin believed in evolution. Yes I know what a belief is, but it doesn't mean that the belief is correct or incorrect.Zyrokin
Uh, when Newton first hypothesised the theory of universal gravitation and Darwin first hypothesised evolution, they weren't certain of them - you fail to take into account the different levels of certainty in human belief. How do you know what level of certainty they had? But that is besides the point, there still had to be belief, and that is my only point. Science is not just retroactive. Otherwise, where did all these theories come from? I recently heard an evolution vs. Intelligent Design debate. On our side, the Great Steven C Meyer. The other side: Dr. Peter G. Ward. Ward suggested that life originated in a bar of soap sitting in an incubator-like crater on our newly formed planet. This soap substance became exposed to the sun and radiation and produced these genius amino acids. The absurdity of this hypothesis is self evident. But what I really want to know is where did this 'soap' came from? How do you even get a crater on a planet? How do you get the sun? We would need the complete world and all we know it to be, to be in full gravitational and physical glory. Again I ask, how did it all happen?
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