[QUOTE="Zyrokin"]How do you know what level of certainty they had? But that is besides the point, there still had to be belief, and that is my only point. Science is not just retroactive. Otherwise, where did all these theories come from? I recently heard an evolution vs. Intelligent Design debate. On our side, the Great Steven C Meyer. The other side: Dr. Peter G. Ward. Ward suggested that life originated in a bar of soap sitting in an incubator-like crater on our newly formed planet. This soap substance became exposed to the sun and radiation and produced these genius amino acids. The absurdity of this hypothesis is self evident. But what I really want to know is where did this 'soap' came from? How do you even get a crater on a planet? How do you get the sun? We would need the complete world and all we know it to be, to be in full gravitational and physical glory. Again I ask, how did it all happen? Your questions are not relevant to evolution vs. intelligent design.[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Uh, when Newton first hypothesised the theory of universal gravitation and Darwin first hypothesised evolution, they weren't certain of them - you fail to take into account the different levels of certainty in human belief.gubrushadow
Do you believe in an afterlife? How does this affect your life?
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[QUOTE="Zyrokin"]How do you know what level of certainty they had? But that is besides the point, there still had to be belief, and that is my only point. Science is not just retroactive. Otherwise, where did all these theories come from? I recently heard an evolution vs. Intelligent Design debate. On our side, the Great Steven C Meyer. The other side: Dr. Peter G. Ward. Ward suggested that life originated in a bar of soap sitting in an incubator-like crater on our newly formed planet. This soap substance became exposed to the sun and radiation and produced these genius amino acids. The absurdity of this hypothesis is self evident. But what I really want to know is where did this 'soap' came from? How do you even get a crater on a planet? How do you get the sun? We would need the complete world and all we know it to be, to be in full gravitational and physical glory. Again I ask, how did it all happen? ITT the evolution debate somehow involves abiogenesis.[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Uh, when Newton first hypothesised the theory of universal gravitation and Darwin first hypothesised evolution, they weren't certain of them - you fail to take into account the different levels of certainty in human belief.gubrushadow
[QUOTE="tocool340"]No. At least, I hope there isn't an afterlife. I don't think neither hell or heaven are an enjoyable place to exist in after death....SkyWard20Heaven is by definition very enjoyable. Who wouldn't want an eternal reward? I know I would. Christianity ftw. :> My view on heaven is different than yours. It doesn't seem like a reward. Heaven to me is a place similar to Earth, but with stricter laws. I don't think God will allow man made things into his heaven which means the things we've gotten accustom to using here on earth won't be available in heaven. You won't have much to talk to your family about since there aren't many activities like we have here on Earth. Life will easily get dull and boring after so many years. Now, to live like the for an "Eternity" would make hell seem no different than heaven if you ask me...
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Zyrokin"] How do you know what level of certainty they had? But that is besides the point, there still had to be belief, and that is my only point. Science is not just retroactive. Otherwise, where did all these theories come from?I recently heard an evolution vs. Intelligent Design debate. On our side, the Great Steven C Meyer. The other side: Dr. Peter G. Ward. Ward suggested that life originated in a bar of soap sitting in an incubator-like crater on our newly formed planet. This soap substance became exposed to the sun and radiation and produced these genius amino acids. The absurdity of this hypothesis is self evident. But what I really want to know is where did this 'soap' came from? How do you even get a crater on a planet? How do you get the sun? We would need the complete world and all we know it to be, to be in full gravitational and physical glory. Again I ask, how did it all happen? Your questions are not relevant to evolution vs. intelligent design.HAHAITHINKNOT
I know you evaded my questions .
Your questions are not relevant to evolution vs. intelligent design.[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] I recently heard an evolution vs. Intelligent Design debate. On our side, the Great Steven C Meyer. The other side: Dr. Peter G. Ward. Ward suggested that life originated in a bar of soap sitting in an incubator-like crater on our newly formed planet. This soap substance became exposed to the sun and radiation and produced these genius amino acids. The absurdity of this hypothesis is self evident. But what I really want to know is where did this 'soap' came from? How do you even get a crater on a planet? How do you get the sun? We would need the complete world and all we know it to be, to be in full gravitational and physical glory. Again I ask, how did it all happen? gubrushadow
I know you evaded my questions .
Because they weren't relevant. You advanced those questions as though they were in opposition to evolution. They're not.Well, I don't know, it is kind of a weird idea that some invisible man in the sky made a people retirment home in some other dimension, but I can't figure out what it would be like to be dead.
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Your questions are not relevant to evolution vs. intelligent design.HAHAITHINKNOT
I know you evaded my questions .
Because they weren't relevant. You advanced those questions as though they were in opposition to evolution. They're not. People are talking about the soap , and I asked where did it come from ? answer only that question and I would be pleased .[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Because they weren't relevant. You advanced those questions as though they were in opposition to evolution. They're not. People are talking about the soap , and I asked where did it come from ? answer only that question and I would be pleased .Who's 'people'? you brought it up out of nowhere. I don't know exactly where this soap I've never heard of and know nothing about came from; why would I? :?I know you evaded my questions .
gubrushadow
Your questions are not relevant to evolution vs. intelligent design.[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] I recently heard an evolution vs. Intelligent Design debate. On our side, the Great Steven C Meyer. The other side: Dr. Peter G. Ward. Ward suggested that life originated in a bar of soap sitting in an incubator-like crater on our newly formed planet. This soap substance became exposed to the sun and radiation and produced these genius amino acids. The absurdity of this hypothesis is self evident. But what I really want to know is where did this 'soap' came from? How do you even get a crater on a planet? How do you get the sun? We would need the complete world and all we know it to be, to be in full gravitational and physical glory. Again I ask, how did it all happen? gubrushadow
I know you evaded my questions .
I know what you mean. I give up on this discussion. I am bored now with the others. Good luck.[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]Heaven is by definition very enjoyable. Who wouldn't want an eternal reward? I know I would. Christianity ftw. :>SkyWard20
What if you accidentally picked the wrong God to worship? What if the Bible and everything taught by the organized Church is merely a ruse to sin by the Devil? What if the real God only wants you to be a good person and respect others, and not follow holy books, rituals or other human inventions?
Eternal reward/punishment would imply you did something infinite in effect. Since everything in the human world is finite, it contradicts the idea of eternal reward/punishment.
And why do you want a reward? Isn't being a good person, and helping others reward enough? I see Heaven as an equal punishment to Hell. Not only do you exist infinitely (you would only ever see those you loved die around you, especially if they don't make it there with you) but you spend that time constantly at the feet of a being that demands your worship lest you be punished. I don't even see why Godwants to be worshiped... because that would go against the teachings of selflessness and compassion. Demanding worship is a very selfish thing, and something that cannot logically be ascribed to a merciful, forgiving, selfless and omni-benevolent being.
What if doing nothing of the above mentioned is required to go to Heaven? In my vision, a good god will forgive anyone... and save everyone.
I still don't understand what's to be forgiven. Is God angry at the mere fact we were born and thus, must ask for his forgiveness? Or is he pissed because of something our so called ancestors from the "beginning of time" has done? He sure knows how to hold a grudge for someone who's suppose to be merciful, forgiving and selfless. Kind of reminds me of some kid who's pissed because he doesn't always have it his way....[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
What if you accidentally picked the wrong God to worship? What if the Bible and everything taught by the organized Church is merely a ruse to sin by the Devil? What if the real God only wants you to be a good person and respect others, and not follow holy books, rituals or other human inventions?
Eternal reward/punishment would imply you did something infinite in effect. Since everything in the human world is finite, it contradicts the idea of eternal reward/punishment.
And why do you want a reward? Isn't being a good person, and helping others reward enough? I see Heaven as an equal punishment to Hell. Not only do you exist infinitely (you would only ever see those you loved die around you, especially if they don't make it there with you) but you spend that time constantly at the feet of a being that demands your worship lest you be punished. I don't even see why Godwants to be worshiped... because that would go against the teachings of selflessness and compassion. Demanding worship is a very selfish thing, and something that cannot logically be ascribed to a merciful, forgiving, selfless and omni-benevolent being.tocool340
What if doing nothing of the above mentioned is required to go to Heaven? In my vision, a good god will forgive anyone... and save everyone.
I still don't understand what's to be forgiven. Is God angry at the mere fact we were born and thus, must ask for his forgiveness? Or is he pissed because of something our so called ancestors from the "beginning of time" has done? He sure knows how to hold a grudge for someone who's suppose to be merciful, forgiving and selfless. Kind of reminds me of some kid who's pissed because he doesn't always have it his way....Oh, exactly. We are created sick and commanded to be well; humans are designed as killing-and-shagging machines and nothing more. That's what they're optimised for. For a God to create such creatures and demand that they be altruistic and selfless and kind and all these other things, and to then punish them for failing to be something they're not, is grotesque.People are talking about the soap , and I asked where did it come from ? answer only that question and I would be pleased .Who's 'people'? you brought it up out of nowhere. I don't know exactly where this soap I've never heard of and know nothing about came from; why would I? :? I knew I shouldnt get anything from TV . oh here goes another one : Consider The second law of thermodynamics. It states that matter cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be transformed from one form to another. Matter CANNOT be created. What does that mean? Scientifically speaking, something cannot come from nothing. Presence cannot come from absence. If, at one time there was nothing, there is no probable chance of getting something that eventually creates everything. Nothing has no elements of life. It possesses zero ingredients to start any kind of evolutionary process. This 'Second law' makes it virtually impossible for any explanation of creation without probable cause. Someone or something has to transcend natural and scientific law to put the pieces together. The Big Bang had to have elements formed beforehand to create everything Evolutionists claim it did. Where did it's elements come from? Was there a smaller bang before the big bang that had life ingredients of life? Maybe there was an intergalactic 'fart' before the smaller bang![QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Because they weren't relevant. You advanced those questions as though they were in opposition to evolution. They're not.HAHAITHINKNOT
[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Who's 'people'? you brought it up out of nowhere. I don't know exactly where this soap I've never heard of and know nothing about came from; why would I? :? I knew I shouldnt get anything from TV . oh here goes another one : Consider The second law of thermodynamics. It states that matter cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be transformed from one form to another. Matter CANNOT be created. What does that mean? Scientifically speaking, something cannot come from nothing. Presence cannot come from absence. If, at one time there was nothing, there is no probable chance of getting something that eventually creates everything. Nothing has no elements of life. It possesses zero ingredients to start any kind of evolutionary process. This 'Second law' makes it virtually impossible for any explanation of creation without probable cause. Someone or something has to transcend natural and scientific law to put the pieces together. The Big Bang had to have elements formed beforehand to create everything Evolutionists claim it did. Where did it's elements come from? Was there a smaller bang before the big bang that had life ingredients of life? Maybe there was an intergalactic 'fart' before the smaller bang!Bloody hell this is painful. And obviously plagiarised, for that matter. No one says life didn't come from 'nothing'. It came from previously-existing matter.[QUOTE="gubrushadow"] People are talking about the soap , and I asked where did it come from ? answer only that question and I would be pleased .gubrushadow
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
What if you accidentally picked the wrong God to worship? What if the Bible and everything taught by the organized Church is merely a ruse to sin by the Devil? What if the real God only wants you to be a good person and respect others, and not follow holy books, rituals or other human inventions?
Eternal reward/punishment would imply you did something infinite in effect. Since everything in the human world is finite, it contradicts the idea of eternal reward/punishment.
And why do you want a reward? Isn't being a good person, and helping others reward enough? I see Heaven as an equal punishment to Hell. Not only do you exist infinitely (you would only ever see those you loved die around you, especially if they don't make it there with you) but you spend that time constantly at the feet of a being that demands your worship lest you be punished. I don't even see why Godwants to be worshiped... because that would go against the teachings of selflessness and compassion. Demanding worship is a very selfish thing, and something that cannot logically be ascribed to a merciful, forgiving, selfless and omni-benevolent being.tocool340
What if doing nothing of the above mentioned is required to go to Heaven? In my vision, a good god will forgive anyone... and save everyone.
I still don't understand what's to be forgiven. Is God angry at the mere fact we were born and thus, must ask for his forgiveness? Or is he pissed because of something our so called ancestors from the "beginning of time" has done? He sure knows how to hold a grudge for someone who's suppose to be merciful, forgiving and selfless. Kind of reminds me of some kid who's pissed because he doesn't always have it his way.... That depends on what you've done. I don't think that humans have inherently done something wrong, if that's what you mean.[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Who's 'people'? you brought it up out of nowhere. I don't know exactly where this soap I've never heard of and know nothing about came from; why would I? :?I knew I shouldnt get anything from TV . oh here goes another one : Consider The second law of thermodynamics. It states that matter cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be transformed from one form to another. Matter CANNOT be created. What does that mean? Scientifically speaking, something cannot come from nothing. Presence cannot come from absence. If, at one time there was nothing, there is no probable chance of getting something that eventually creates everything. Nothing has no elements of life. It possesses zero ingredients to start any kind of evolutionary process. This 'Second law' makes it virtually impossible for any explanation of creation without probable cause. Someone or something has to transcend natural and scientific law to put the pieces together. The Big Bang had to have elements formed beforehand to create everything Evolutionists claim it did. Where did it's elements come from? Was there a smaller bang before the big bang that had life ingredients of life? Maybe there was an intergalactic 'fart' before the smaller bang!Bloody hell this is painful. And obviously plagiarised, for that matter. No one says life didn't come from 'nothing'. It came from previously-existing matter. Orly , ok .Moving on past the Big bang, evolution gets even more ugly and miraculous. Apparently, after this massive cosmic eruption, amino acids were formed from the chaos. These little proteins had all the knowledge necessary to bind together and start the coveted natural process of evolution. Some smart acids, if you ask me. Now, just how on God's green earth, did a super explosion create anything, let alone genius amino acids? And just how did these acids form other complex strains correctly, without a single error? Because you see, one error and you don't have life. There is no mutations at this stage. One Big bang means only ONE shot at life. Get it wrong, and we need a new big bang to make new acids. But somehow, lucky us, it all came together the first time. Thank you amino acids...thank you! The dirty little secret is that people who believe in evolution NEED they very transcendence they hate, in order for their own theory to work. They need materials to form out of nothing just like intelligent design. But 'something from nothing' contracts the very scientific method that they live and die by. They knowingly embrace a contradiction in their own ideology concerning life's origin, and then call all proponents of intelligent design idiots for believing the very same thing.HAHAITHINKNOT
I still don't understand what's to be forgiven. Is God angry at the mere fact we were born and thus, must ask for his forgiveness? Or is he pissed because of something our so called ancestors from the "beginning of time" has done? He sure knows how to hold a grudge for someone who's suppose to be merciful, forgiving and selfless. Kind of reminds me of some kid who's pissed because he doesn't always have it his way.... That depends on what you've done. I don't think that humans have inherently done something wrong, if that's what you mean.o_ó Original sin?[QUOTE="tocool340"]
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]
What if doing nothing of the above mentioned is required to go to Heaven? In my vision, a good god will forgive anyone... and save everyone.
SkyWard20
Bloody hell this is painful. And obviously plagiarised, for that matter. No one says life didn't come from 'nothing'. It came from previously-existing matter. Orly , ok .Moving on past the Big bang, evolution gets even more ugly and miraculous. Apparently, after this massive cosmic eruption, amino acids were formed from the chaos. These little proteins had all the knowledge necessary to bind together and start the coveted natural process of evolution. Some smart acids, if you ask me. Now, just how on God's green earth, did a super explosion create anything, let alone genius amino acids? And just how did these acids form other complex strains correctly, without a single error? Because you see, one error and you don't have life. There is no mutations at this stage. One Big bang means only ONE shot at life. Get it wrong, and we need a new big bang to make new acids. But somehow, lucky us, it all came together the first time. Thank you amino acids...thank you! The dirty little secret is that people who believe in evolution NEED they very transcendence they hate, in order for their own theory to work. They need materials to form out of nothing just like intelligent design. But 'something from nothing' contracts the very scientific method that they live and die by. They knowingly embrace a contradiction in their own ideology concerning life's origin, and then call all proponents of intelligent design idiots for believing the very same thing.Where are you getting this stuff from? It's intellectually dishonest to steal other people's arguments and pass them off as your own.[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] I knew I shouldnt get anything from TV . oh here goes another one : Consider The second law of thermodynamics. It states that matter cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be transformed from one form to another. Matter CANNOT be created. What does that mean? Scientifically speaking, something cannot come from nothing. Presence cannot come from absence. If, at one time there was nothing, there is no probable chance of getting something that eventually creates everything. Nothing has no elements of life. It possesses zero ingredients to start any kind of evolutionary process. This 'Second law' makes it virtually impossible for any explanation of creation without probable cause. Someone or something has to transcend natural and scientific law to put the pieces together. The Big Bang had to have elements formed beforehand to create everything Evolutionists claim it did. Where did it's elements come from? Was there a smaller bang before the big bang that had life ingredients of life? Maybe there was an intergalactic 'fart' before the smaller bang!gubrushadow
Bloody hell this is painful. And obviously plagiarised, for that matter. No one says life didn't come from 'nothing'. It came from previously-existing matter. Orly , ok .Moving on past the Big bang, evolution gets even more ugly and miraculous. Apparently, after this massive cosmic eruption, amino acids were formed from the chaos. These little proteins had all the knowledge necessary to bind together and start the coveted natural process of evolution. Some smart acids, if you ask me. Now, just how on God's green earth, did a super explosion create anything, let alone genius amino acids? And just how did these acids form other complex strains correctly, without a single error? Because you see, one error and you don't have life. There is no mutations at this stage. One Big bang means only ONE shot at life. Get it wrong, and we need a new big bang to make new acids. But somehow, lucky us, it all came together the first time. Thank you amino acids...thank you! The dirty little secret is that people who believe in evolution NEED they very transcendence they hate, in order for their own theory to work. They need materials to form out of nothing just like intelligent design. But 'something from nothing' contracts the very scientific method that they live and die by. They knowingly embrace a contradiction in their own ideology concerning life's origin, and then call all proponents of intelligent design idiots for believing the very same thing.Who said there was no error? There could've been many failed starts to life, cut short by errors. One Big Bang doesn't mean one shot of life - it means a ****load of shots, on a ****load of planets in a ****load of galaxies. Also, if you're going to steal from other people's (worthless) writings, at least be honest about it and cite your sources.[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] I knew I shouldnt get anything from TV . oh here goes another one : Consider The second law of thermodynamics. It states that matter cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be transformed from one form to another. Matter CANNOT be created. What does that mean? Scientifically speaking, something cannot come from nothing. Presence cannot come from absence. If, at one time there was nothing, there is no probable chance of getting something that eventually creates everything. Nothing has no elements of life. It possesses zero ingredients to start any kind of evolutionary process. This 'Second law' makes it virtually impossible for any explanation of creation without probable cause. Someone or something has to transcend natural and scientific law to put the pieces together. The Big Bang had to have elements formed beforehand to create everything Evolutionists claim it did. Where did it's elements come from? Was there a smaller bang before the big bang that had life ingredients of life? Maybe there was an intergalactic 'fart' before the smaller bang!gubrushadow
But 'something from nothing' contracts the very scientific method that they live and die by. gubrushadowOnly people of faith die for an idea
The idea of an afterlife seems improbable, but it's fun and warming to think that there is one.
Believing in anafterlife is a perfect way for people to reconcile with their impending death.
[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]Orly , ok .Moving on past the Big bang, evolution gets even more ugly and miraculous. Apparently, after this massive cosmic eruption, amino acids were formed from the chaos. These little proteins had all the knowledge necessary to bind together and start the coveted natural process of evolution. Some smart acids, if you ask me. Now, just how on God's green earth, did a super explosion create anything, let alone genius amino acids? And just how did these acids form other complex strains correctly, without a single error? Because you see, one error and you don't have life. There is no mutations at this stage. One Big bang means only ONE shot at life. Get it wrong, and we need a new big bang to make new acids. But somehow, lucky us, it all came together the first time. Thank you amino acids...thank you! The dirty little secret is that people who believe in evolution NEED they very transcendence they hate, in order for their own theory to work. They need materials to form out of nothing just like intelligent design. But 'something from nothing' contracts the very scientific method that they live and die by. They knowingly embrace a contradiction in their own ideology concerning life's origin, and then call all proponents of intelligent design idiots for believing the very same thing.Who said there was no error? There could've been many failed starts to life, cut short by errors. One Big Bang doesn't mean one shot of life - it means a ****load of shots, on a ****load of planets in a ****load of galaxies. Also, if you're going to steal from other people's (worthless) writings, at least be honest about it and cite your sources.[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Bloody hell this is painful. And obviously plagiarised, for that matter. No one says life didn't come from 'nothing'. It came from previously-existing matter.HAHAITHINKNOT
*sigh* It's worthless , Im getting out of this junk.Evolution requires the greater burden of faith from it's constituents, then Intelligent Design. It's rationally preposterous! Not to mention, deeply flawed. It's funny to think that smart scientists actually came up with this trash. I can only imagine a room full of these 'wizards of smart' pondering life's origin.
I dont. I believe after death you go to the place you were before you were born.
Who said there was no error? There could've been many failed starts to life, cut short by errors. One Big Bang doesn't mean one shot of life - it means a ****load of shots, on a ****load of planets in a ****load of galaxies. Also, if you're going to steal from other people's (worthless) writings, at least be honest about it and cite your sources.[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] Orly , ok .Moving on past the Big bang, evolution gets even more ugly and miraculous. Apparently, after this massive cosmic eruption, amino acids were formed from the chaos. These little proteins had all the knowledge necessary to bind together and start the coveted natural process of evolution. Some smart acids, if you ask me. Now, just how on God's green earth, did a super explosion create anything, let alone genius amino acids? And just how did these acids form other complex strains correctly, without a single error? Because you see, one error and you don't have life. There is no mutations at this stage. One Big bang means only ONE shot at life. Get it wrong, and we need a new big bang to make new acids. But somehow, lucky us, it all came together the first time. Thank you amino acids...thank you! The dirty little secret is that people who believe in evolution NEED they very transcendence they hate, in order for their own theory to work. They need materials to form out of nothing just like intelligent design. But 'something from nothing' contracts the very scientific method that they live and die by. They knowingly embrace a contradiction in their own ideology concerning life's origin, and then call all proponents of intelligent design idiots for believing the very same thing.
gubrushadow
*sigh* It's worthless , Im getting out of this junk.Evolution requires the greater burden of faith from it's constituents, then Intelligent Design. It's rationally preposterous! Not to mention, deeply flawed. It's funny to think that smart scientists actually came up with this trash. I can only imagine a room full of these 'wizards of smart' pondering life's origin.
Wow, way to be offensive and call our way of thinking trash. Honestly man, how low will you go? Not once has anyone in here insulted how you think[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]
[QUOTE="HAHAITHINKNOT"]Who said there was no error? There could've been many failed starts to life, cut short by errors. One Big Bang doesn't mean one shot of life - it means a ****load of shots, on a ****load of planets in a ****load of galaxies. Also, if you're going to steal from other people's (worthless) writings, at least be honest about it and cite your sources.HAHAITHINKNOT
*sigh* It's worthless , Im getting out of this junk.Evolution requires the greater burden of faith from it's constituents, then Intelligent Design. It's rationally preposterous! Not to mention, deeply flawed. It's funny to think that smart scientists actually came up with this trash. I can only imagine a room full of these 'wizards of smart' pondering life's origin.
:lol:That is all.
Would it sound weird , but you actually made my day , I sooooooooo love arguing about the truth of GOD ,I was bored, well have a nice day :) And btw , most people would think this , but I got no offense against you or any atheist , I hate atheisim but not people whi are atheists , I dunno why most religious people do :?Gork and Mork will greet me when i perish in glorious battle against the man children!
I guess..and it hasn't affected my life..
I still don't understand what's to be forgiven. Is God angry at the mere fact we were born and thus, must ask for his forgiveness? Or is he pissed because of something our so called ancestors from the "beginning of time" has done? He sure knows how to hold a grudge for someone who's suppose to be merciful, forgiving and selfless. Kind of reminds me of some kid who's pissed because he doesn't always have it his way.... That depends on what you've done. I don't think that humans have inherently done something wrong, if that's what you mean. Really? I could have sworn that the mere fact we were born we have sin, and thus need to ask for forgiveness. Either way, for a God to ask to be worshiped in order to receive forgiveness doesn't seem very righteous...[QUOTE="tocool340"]
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]
What if doing nothing of the above mentioned is required to go to Heaven? In my vision, a good god will forgive anyone... and save everyone.
SkyWard20
I don't know that there's something after life.
But I also don't know that there isn't something after life.
And there could something. And it could be worse.
The reason why we stay alive.
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