Do you believe in Evolution??? (II)

To answer all three of you....

Please explain to me why every planet in our solar system is named after a God or Goddess except one: Earth!

None of you have given evidence to really prove evolution. Yoshi,I've already seen all of your graphs and fossils in the other thread. That is your evidence. I give you all of the amazing things of the earth and how they all go together so well. That is my evidence and I say a creator had to know all of this information and that is why it is here today. Evolution has it's many flaws. If we all evolved from something,what was the first thing we evolved from and where did that come from? How come the bible is accurate in it's stories and its many prophecies are coming true today? And not just those "things will get worse" prophecies. I'm talking about the ones you probably don't know about,like the beasts mentioned in Revelation.

And must I say that the bible says that there will be people like you who will say "Where is this kingdom of his"?

dog64

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_goddess_of_the_earth

Earth was named after Gaia, a Greek God, you're wrong.

Secondly, Evolution is both FACT and THEORY.  Evolution is happening, we are 100 percent sure of this, how evolution works is the theory.  It is analogous to Gravity. 

We know Gravity exists, but we do not have a contiguous theory behind it.

[QUOTE="dog64"]

To answer all three of you....

Please explain to me why every planet in our solar system is named after a God or Goddess except one: Earth!

None of you have given evidence to really prove evolution. Yoshi,I've already seen all of your graphs and fossils in the other thread. That is your evidence. I give you all of the amazing things of the earth and how they all go together so well. That is my evidence and I say a creator had to know all of this information and that is why it is here today. Evolution has it's many flaws. If we all evolved from something,what was the first thing we evolved from and where did that come from? How come the bible is accurate in it's stories and its many prophecies are coming true today? And not just those "things will get worse" prophecies. I'm talking about the ones you probably don't know about,like the beasts mentioned in Revelation.

And must I say that the bible says that there will be people like you who will say "Where is this kingdom of his"?

Donkey_Puncher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_goddess_of_the_earth

Earth was named after Gaia, a Greek God, you're wrong.

Secondly, Evolution is both FACT and THEORY.  Evolution is happening, we are 100 percent sure of this, how evolution works is the theory.  It is analogous to Gravity. 

We know Gravity exists, but we do not have a contiguous theory behind it.

As you know,anyone can write things on Wikipedia. Don't trust everything on it.

As you know,anyone can write things on Wikipedia. Don't trust everything on it.

dog64

Recent studies have shown that it's more credible than Encylopedia Brittanica.  If someone writes something new, it get reviewed or removed immediately.  Secondly, if you're not sure about the article look at the sources at the end, most of them are 100 percent credible.  Every bit of information on Wikipedia has sources.

The mere fact that DNA and Genetics aren't static, that a fossil record exists, and that radioactive dating proves the earth to be 4.5 billoins years old proves creationiism outright wrong.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]

Dog64 complexity of the world isn't a very strong argument for creation. some might say it's an argument against. how about viruses? why did god create them? he can't have done it by accident, he's perfect. why did god let things like earthquakes happen? the tsunamis that wipe out millions of people, why did god create a world that does that? why did god give us all appendixes? all they do is get bacterial infections, and without proper surgery, make us die.

dog64

Many people blame bad things that happen to them on God. What they fail to see is that God is not causing these things to happen. The bible says that this world is in the power of the devil,so God cannot be causing these things to happen. Yes,he lets them happen,but if you read the bible and understand it,it actually gives you an answer. Satan challenged God because he thinks everyone who serves is doing it for selfish reasons. Satan says that if you allow all of these things to happen,people will not serve God. We can see this happen today. God allows all things to happen because it answers Satans' challenge.

I said this before in another topic: If you put two good things together,you may get something bad. So,who's to say that God really created viruses,tsunamis,earthquakes,and the like? These things happen,but it's not the way God intended.

it is the way god intended because he is all powerful and all seeing, and perfect. So it can't be "two good things making something bad" because that falls under the category of accident, which all powerful, all seeing, perfect beings by deifinition, cannot make.  satan didn't make the appendix. the appendix, if you believe that god created humans through design, was put there by god; satan had no influence in the creation of man. Mr_sprinkles

It's the way God intended? Have you read the bible? God orginally put Adam and Eve in a perfect earth with none of these things we see today. So,yes,God's orginal intention was to put humans on a perfect earth to live forever. But,Adam and Eve sinned and they lost this gift. Humans then became inperfect and got worse as years passed. And now all of the gases and chemicals coming from man-made chemical plants and the like. These chemicals are not good for the earths atmosphere and can cause many of the bad weather we see today.

And,yes,Satan does have influence on people today,him and his demons. Why would he be called the devil if he did not?

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]
it is the way god intended because he is all powerful and all seeing, and perfect. So it can't be "two good things making something bad" because that falls under the category of accident, which all powerful, all seeing, perfect beings by deifinition, cannot make.  satan didn't make the appendix. the appendix, if you believe that god created humans through design, was put there by god; satan had no influence in the creation of man. dog64

It's the way God intended? Have you read the bible? God orginally put Adam and Eve in a perfect earth with none of these things we see today. So,yes,God's orginal intention was to put humans on a perfect earth to live forever. But,Adam and Eve sinned and they lost this gift. Humans then became inperfect and got worse as years passed. And now all of the gases and chemicals coming from man-made chemical plants and the like. These chemicals are not good for the earths atmosphere and can cause many of the bad weather we see today.

The bible can prove the existence of God just as much as the Iliad and Odysee can prove that of the Pantheon of Greek Gods.

It isn't a history book, and it isn't supposed to be taken literally. 

The only thing I believe in is you and me. :oops:Greatgone12

Evolution deniers are ignorant. It is embarrassing that in 21st century America people still deny one of the fundamental and best supported theories in science. Physicists would kill to have a theory as unifying as evolution is to biology.dainjah1010

[QUOTE="dainjah1010"]Evolution deniers are ignorant. It is embarrassing that in 21st century America people still deny one of the fundamental and best supported theories in science. Physicists would kill to have a theory as unifying as evolution is to biology.Dasc00

[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="dainjah1010"]Evolution deniers are ignorant. It is embarrassing that in 21st century America people still deny one of the fundamental and best supported theories in science. Physicists would kill to have a theory as unifying as evolution is to biology.bastards12345

I wanted to feel cool and quote this too.:P

i dont know if you know this or not but the Bible PROVES that Evolution is NONSENSE !!! its just the scientific community trying to trick you into giving your money.Evolving_Jesus

the bible is one of the first books to say that the earth was actually round so actually if u want to see the origins of science just look at the bible

[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"]i dont know if you know this or not but the Bible PROVES that Evolution is NONSENSE !!! its just the scientific community trying to trick you into giving your money.syorks

the bible is one of the first books to say that the earth was actually round so actually if u want to see the origins of science just look at the bible

Yes, I don't think its a coincidence that Humans and Chimpanzees share 98% of their DNABlu_Falcon37

You share around 67% of your DNA with a banana.  The majority of the DNA in your cells is superfluous.... in other words, if 95% of your DNA is filler than a small percentage can be extremely important.  2% of a genetic shift is a big deal... don't take it lightly.

PS: Animals sharing a lot of common DNA may also say they shared the same creator.  PS2s and PS3s have a few things different but a lot more things in common too... both designed by the same creator.

 

PS: Animals sharing a lot of common DNA may also say they shared the same creator.

UGAThornhill

[QUOTE="dog64"]

As you know,anyone can write things on Wikipedia. Don't trust everything on it.

Donkey_Puncher

Recent studies have shown that it's more credible than Encylopedia Brittanica.  If someone writes something new, it get reviewed or removed immediately.  Secondly, if you're not sure about the article look at the sources at the end, most of them are 100 percent credible.  Every bit of information on Wikipedia has sources.

The mere fact that DNA and Genetics aren't static, that a fossil record exists, and that radioactive dating proves the earth to be 4.5 billoins years old proves creationiism outright wrong.

Its funny that u said the earth is 4.5 billion years old when i've heard from other people on other threads say that the earth was 6 billion years old. So what does the evidence say? is there evidence that the earth is 4.5 billion years old or 6 billion.

[QUOTE="syorks"]

[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"]i dont know if you know this or not but the Bible PROVES that Evolution is NONSENSE !!! its just the scientific community trying to trick you into giving your money.Hewkii

the bible is one of the first books to say that the earth was actually round so actually if u want to see the origins of science just look at the bible

That didn't have to do with my post at all

[QUOTE="Blu_Falcon37"]Yes, I don't think its a coincidence that Humans and Chimpanzees share 98% of their DNAUGAThornhill

You share around 67% of your DNA with a banana.  The majority of the DNA in your cells is superfluous.... in other words, if 95% of your DNA is filler than a small percentage can be extremely important.  2% of a genetic shift is a big deal... don't take it lightly.

PS: Animals sharing a lot of common DNA may also say they shared the same creator.  PS2s and PS3s have a few things different but a lot more things in common too... both designed by the same creator.

Except PS3's and PS2's are designed good. Rather then bad. Don't go fan-boi on my ass 

It's more complicated than yes or no. Look at humans. Over the past 50 years we've changed. The average height has gone up and we live longer. But will we ever become anything more than human? I don't think so.jim_shorts

I don't see how your point complicates things at all.

Human evolution, although continuing, probably won't propel Homo sapiens into very dramatic physiological or genetic changes unless there is a massive shift in how we are forced to live. Most people that are born are given a real chance to survive, live and reproduce, due to medical advances and better technology. So this takes alot of what would be considered Natural Selection out of the equation. So we end up with a very homogenous gene pool, without much deviation between populations.

And the reason we are taller and live longer has more to do with our diet and medical science than anything to be honest. 

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"][QUOTE="dog64"]

As you know,anyone can write things on Wikipedia. Don't trust everything on it.

syorks

Recent studies have shown that it's more credible than Encylopedia Brittanica. If someone writes something new, it get reviewed or removed immediately. Secondly, if you're not sure about the article look at the sources at the end, most of them are 100 percent credible. Every bit of information on Wikipedia has sources.

The mere fact that DNA and Genetics aren't static, that a fossil record exists, and that radioactive dating proves the earth to be 4.5 billoins years old proves creationiism outright wrong.

Its funny that u said the earth is 4.5 billion years old when i've heard from other people on other threads say that the earth was 6 billion years old. So what does the evidence say? is there evidence that the earth is 4.5 billion years old or 6 billion.

It's definatly much closer to 4.5 billion than 6 billion. I don't know where those people were getting thier information from, but you'll learn in even an intro Geology class that its widely accepted to be 4.5 Billion, give or take a 100 million years.

I wasn't saying the 98% meant a common creator and not a common ancestor.  My only point is that both would make sense and us sharing DNA with monkeys doesn't prove Darwin infallible.

Here's a thought for everyone who hasn't had a lot of science classes (I tried to dumb it down w/o making it too unintelligable):

- Mitochondria is an organelle inside cells that uses oxygen to provide ATP (energy).

- Some scientists think mitochondria used to be a single-celled organism that was ingested by anaerobic organisms (organisms that couldn't use oxygen) so that they, too, could use oxygen to make energy.  Evidence that supports this includes mitochondria having DNA that resembles prokaryotes (cells w/o nuclei) and mitochondria having two cell membranes (suggesting they had one cell membrane at one time and then the second membrane game after the anaerobic organisms took them in)

- The question is: Why is DNA essential for mitochondrial survival now in the nucleus of the cell and why is DNA essential for the cells survival now inside the DNA of the mitochondria?

(If this is too much for this forum let me know and I'll tone it down :) )

[QUOTE="UGAThornhill"]

[QUOTE="Blu_Falcon37"]Yes, I don't think its a coincidence that Humans and Chimpanzees share 98% of their DNADasc00

You share around 67% of your DNA with a banana.  The majority of the DNA in your cells is superfluous.... in other words, if 95% of your DNA is filler than a small percentage can be extremely important.  2% of a genetic shift is a big deal... don't take it lightly.

PS: Animals sharing a lot of common DNA may also say they shared the same creator.  PS2s and PS3s have a few things different but a lot more things in common too... both designed by the same creator.

Except PS3's and PS2's are designed good. Rather then bad. Don't go fan-boi on my ass 

No fanboy.  The same could've been said for the Xbox/360 or the Gamecube/Wii.

My friend "Syork" and i had a debut about if God used Evolution to create the humanity or not. We both believe in God. Syork believes to what the bible says in full trust, and i believe that the bible is a book that had been written by many authors in different times and there are some mistakes (It had been written by humen...so of course there are some mistakes...). Some authors didn't wrote really what happened, they wrote what they think that happened or even sometime they invent things (because of the fact they didn't know what really happened).... For example in the first Chapter of the Book of Genesis it says that god create the man and the woman at the same time but in the next chapter it says God create first the man and THEN the woman. and that mean that there are more than one author who didn't know what the other said. Syrok believes to everything from the bible but i believe that we were created from the monkey before 3 million years (and BTW i'm a Jew...lol)

So we decided to take our debut to this forum. so are you with me or with syork?

Hiddai

I didn't read all of it but...

I don't believe in God and i don't care if you do or not. Also there is stuff that was taken out of the bible. So its basically incorrect. So i agree with you...to a degree.

Read this. The pope says that evolution cannot be proven. dog64

The pope is an idiot. 

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Earth is just a term coined that means "ground" at the time people didn't know the earth was a planet. Scientists have named the other planets, and decided to name them after roman gods.

Evidence ranges from the fossil record, the similaritys shown by molecular genetics, to comparitive embriology and vesigal structures. wiki has a good article on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution#Evidence_of_evolution

Your "evidence" actually supports evolution and doesn't point towards any sort of creator, you're making assumptions without any actual evidence. Creatures adapt based upon their enviroment, like in the examples you've given, The atmosphere contains oxygen, so creatures developed arobic cellular processes to take advantage of this.

what was the first thing we evolved from and where did that come from?"

take a look at the fossil record

How come the bible is accurate in it's stories and its many prophecies are coming true today?

It's not, the bible is full of holes, circular logic, and assumptions. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

And must I say that the bible says that there will be people like you who will say "Where is this kingdom of his"?

Hipocrisy, you do this with other religions don't you?

dog64

take a look at the fossil record

Why should I? If it's so obvious,you should tell me. This is your evidence. Show it. I provided a link giving evidence..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_record

It's not, the bible is full of holes, circular logic, and assumptions.

Obviously,anyone who says so hasn't read the bible. And if they have read it,they probably haven't read it from cover to covrt and they don't understand it and it's contex. They just pick out verses that they don't like and pick on them. For example,on that site you gave me,it says this:

John saw "a new earth," the old earth having been destroyed. But the JWs say, contrary to this verse, that the earth will last forever and will never be destroyed.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe you just don't understand what "new earth" means? The bible also says that God did not create the earth for nothing. So,he obviously does not want to destroy it. When the bible says "new earth",it means one day the things on the earth will be destroyed and then rebuilt,therefore a "new earth". Right, and you're twisting it to your own interperataion. Here's a simple example that basically disproves the existance of an all knowing god

• God is all knowing and all powerful
• an all knowing god would know everything that would occur at any point in time, correct?
• This means that god would know every action it would take at any point in time.
• Meaning that he could never change his fate becouse every action would already be predetermined
• This implies that an all knowing god cannot be all powerful
• Thus an all powerful and all knowing game cannot exist.
• '
• The christian god is all knowing and all powerful and all knowing
• By previous proof, the christian god does not exist.

Hipocrisy, you do this with other religions don't you?

Everyone may have different versions of it,but the only other kingdom I know of is God's Kingdom. You,my friend,are currently rejecting it by saying things such as "These things have been going on forever". You have just fullfilled a bible prophecy (2 Peter 3:3,4)

[QUOTE="dog64"]

take a look at the fossil record

Why should I? If it's so obvious,you should tell me. This is your evidence. Show it. I provided a link giving evidence..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_record

It's not, the bible is full of holes, circular logic, and assumptions.

Obviously,anyone who says so hasn't read the bible. And if they have read it,they probably haven't read it from cover to covrt and they don't understand it and it's contex. They just pick out verses that they don't like and pick on them. For example,on that site you gave me,it says this:

John saw "a new earth," the old earth having been destroyed. But the JWs say, contrary to this verse, that the earth will last forever and will never be destroyed.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe you just don't understand what "new earth" means? The bible also says that God did not create the earth for nothing. So,he obviously does not want to destroy it. When the bible says "new earth",it means one day the things on the earth will be destroyed and then rebuilt,therefore a "new earth". Right, and you're twisting it to your own interperataion. Here's a simple example that basically disproves the existance of an all knowing god

• God is all knowing and all powerful
• an all knowing god would know everything that would occur at any point in time, correct?
• This means that god would know every action it would take at any point in time.
• Meaning that he could never change his fate becouse every action would already be predetermined
• This implies that an all knowing god cannot be all powerful
• Thus an all powerful and all knowing game cannot exist.
• '
• The christian god is all knowing and all powerful and all knowing
• By previous proof, the christian god does not exist.

Hipocrisy, you do this with other religions don't you?

Everyone may have different versions of it,but the only other kingdom I know of is God's Kingdom. You,my friend,are currently rejecting it by saying things such as "These things have been going on forever". You have just fullfilled a bible prophecy (2 Peter 3:3,4)

yoshi-lnex

God may have the ability to see the future,but that doesn't mean he always uses it. Besides,even if he could see the future,he couldn't change it because that would be invading free will. If he did this,it would be like he was treating us like robots.

Hipocrisy is when you say one thing but do another. I am not part of Islam,so just because I don't believe their view on God's Kingdom doesn't mean I'm being a hypocrite. Their view doesn't match my view,so it's not hopocrisy. Now,if they did it would be hipocrisy,but they don't so it's not.

[QUOTE="dog64"]Read this. The pope says that evolution cannot be proven. bastards12345

The pope is an idiot. 

i wouldn't say that the Pope is an idiot, but the Pope knows about evolution as much as a 6th grader does.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="dog64"]

take a look at the fossil record

Why should I? If it's so obvious,you should tell me. This is your evidence. Show it. I provided a link giving evidence..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_record

It's not, the bible is full of holes, circular logic, and assumptions.

Obviously,anyone who says so hasn't read the bible. And if they have read it,they probably haven't read it from cover to covrt and they don't understand it and it's contex. They just pick out verses that they don't like and pick on them. For example,on that site you gave me,it says this:

John saw "a new earth," the old earth having been destroyed. But the JWs say, contrary to this verse, that the earth will last forever and will never be destroyed.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe you just don't understand what "new earth" means? The bible also says that God did not create the earth for nothing. So,he obviously does not want to destroy it. When the bible says "new earth",it means one day the things on the earth will be destroyed and then rebuilt,therefore a "new earth". Right, and you're twisting it to your own interperataion. Here's a simple example that basically disproves the existance of an all knowing god

• God is all knowing and all powerful
• an all knowing god would know everything that would occur at any point in time, correct?
• This means that god would know every action it would take at any point in time.
• Meaning that he could never change his fate becouse every action would already be predetermined
• This implies that an all knowing god cannot be all powerful
• Thus an all powerful and all knowing game cannot exist.
• '
• The christian god is all knowing and all powerful and all knowing
• By previous proof, the christian god does not exist.

Hipocrisy, you do this with other religions don't you?

Everyone may have different versions of it,but the only other kingdom I know of is God's Kingdom. You,my friend,are currently rejecting it by saying things such as "These things have been going on forever". You have just fullfilled a bible prophecy (2 Peter 3:3,4)

dog64

God may have the ability to see the future,but that doesn't mean he always uses it. Besides,even if he could see the future,he couldn't change it because that would be invading free will. If he did this,it would be like he was treating us like robots.

Hipocrisy is when you say one thing but do another. I am not part of Islam,so just because I don't believe their view on God's Kingdom doesn't mean I'm being a hypocrite. Their view doesn't match my view,so it's not hopocrisy. Now,if they did it would be hipocrisy,but they don't so it's not.

You're saying I'm rejecting the "kingdom" while you are doing that yourself, you are rejecting the kingdom of heaven by not practicing islam correct?

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]

[QUOTE="dog64"]Read this. The pope says that evolution cannot be proven. sinarilias

The pope is an idiot.

i wouldn't say that the Pope is an idiot, but the Pope knows about evolution as much as a 6th grader does.

A sixth grader believes everything you tell them in school. 

God is not, and cannot be all-powerful. That would defy the law of conservation of energy and the law of conservation of matter, as well as all the other scientific laws that we have established, tested, and improved over the ages.bastards12345

That sounds well and good but God doesn't have to be confined any physical laws.  It would actually stand to reason that if he created those physical laws he would, therefore, be above them.

Just because you can't comprehend how God fits into the natural order of things doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Here's another thought for everyone: Genesis says God established the set length of men's lives to no more than 120 years.  In the past few years, through the study of telomeres and telomerases (if you don't know, message me and I'll explain b/c it appears as if actual science is scant here) that humans can live a max of around 120 years.  With all this talk of the Earth being round and the Bible having "holes, circular logic, and assumptions", I thought it would be nice to bring some facts to the table.

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]God is not, and cannot be all-powerful. That would defy the law of conservation of energy and the law of conservation of matter, as well as all the other scientific laws that we have established, tested, and improved over the ages.UGAThornhill

That sounds well and good but God doesn't have to be confined any physical laws. It would actually stand to reason that if he created those physical laws he would, therefore, be above them.

Just because you can't comprehend how God fits into the natural order of things doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Here's another thought for everyone: Genesis says God established the set length of men's lives to no more than 120 years. In the past few years, through the study of telomeres and telomerases (if you don't know, message me and I'll explain b/c it appears as if actual science is scant here) that humans can live a max of around 120 years. With all this talk of the Earth being round and the Bible having "holes, circular logic, and assumptions", I thought it would be nice to bring some facts to the table.

The laws exist because matter and energy exist. What you are saying is the worship of gaps. It's not that I don't comprehend--it's that people are not willing to believe that an omnipotent god is not possible. If god existed, he would have to be a thermodynamically closed system, and there is no getting around that because the laws exist because of the composition of substances all the way down to quarks. The laws came into effect after the first quarks separated from singularity at the instant of the big bang. Everything and anything above and including the quark level are bound to the laws. Trying to understand otherwise is trying to live in a fantasy world. 

I'm not saying he couldn't affect humans and change their fate, I'm saying that he is unable to change his own fate, which would contradict his omnipotence.

You're saying I'm rejecting the "kingdom" while you are doing that yourself, you are rejecting the kingdom of heaven by not practicing islam correct?

yoshi-lnex

Why would God change his own fate?

And I explained already. I am not Islam so I don't need to follow what they say. They look at God's Kingdom a different way,I look at it another. We both believe in God's Kingdom but we have different ways of going there. That has nothing to do with hipocrisy.

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]God is not, and cannot be all-powerful. That would defy the law of conservation of energy and the law of conservation of matter, as well as all the other scientific laws that we have established, tested, and improved over the ages.UGAThornhill

That sounds well and good but God doesn't have to be confined any physical laws.  It would actually stand to reason that if he created those physical laws he would, therefore, be above them.

Just because you can't comprehend how God fits into the natural order of things doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Since we all know if god did exist he would not confirm to physical laws but would be above them. Therefore anything outside these laws can obviously not be tested through observations or empirical data. Hence, the mere idea of possibly proving something which is inherently outside human reason through cognitive ability or through observational data is ridiculous, and impossible. So, god can never be proven.

Here's a brief summary of what Theists think:

Theist: In the last decade, there has been evidence that Jesus Christ did exist and was resurrected after his apparent death. Also, many scientists have found some explanation that the Bible is based on facts and not just divine myths.

First the reserrection of Jesus Chrst.archeological discoveries have verified the accuracy of  the discription of the burial tomd and its location. The tomb of Jesus Christ would have been carefully venerated by his followers but there is no sign of veneration. This is explained as Jesus Christ left his tomb so the tomb was empty. Therefore no veneration.

Second, the time for the gospels to be written and the time of the his death was too short to bring divine stories of myths. Two generations of the gospel being written is too short for any high myth making to be taked place. Therefore the facts in the Bible couldn't have been mere myths.

Third, according to the formation of the universe, the balance of anti matter and matter had to be accurate to one to a billion. Its hard to think this possiblity was by mere chance and must have been balanced by some unknown power. Also the chances of life spontaniously occuring is and  one to 10^40. Thats the possiblity of a grenade blown upand forming a plane.(almost impossible)

Also The belief in God is something that does not have to be rational and is in a spriritual level of the mind. In other words, no matter how farfetched a religon may be, God is to be dealt with Faith. Not Reason.

Ill right down a defense to Athesists in  a while. BTW, Im an agnostic.

That sounds well and good but God doesn't have to be confined any physical laws. 

UGAThornhill

[QUOTE="UGAThornhill"]

[QUOTE="bastards12345"]God is not, and cannot be all-powerful. That would defy the law of conservation of energy and the law of conservation of matter, as well as all the other scientific laws that we have established, tested, and improved over the ages.bastards12345

That sounds well and good but God doesn't have to be confined any physical laws. It would actually stand to reason that if he created those physical laws he would, therefore, be above them.

Just because you can't comprehend how God fits into the natural order of things doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Here's another thought for everyone: Genesis says God established the set length of men's lives to no more than 120 years. In the past few years, through the study of telomeres and telomerases (if you don't know, message me and I'll explain b/c it appears as if actual science is scant here) that humans can live a max of around 120 years. With all this talk of the Earth being round and the Bible having "holes, circular logic, and assumptions", I thought it would be nice to bring some facts to the table.

The laws exist because matter and energy exist. What you are saying is the worship of gaps. It's not that I don't comprehend--it's that people are not willing to believe that an omnipotent god is not possible. If god existed, he would have to be a thermodynamically closed system, and there is no getting around that because the laws exist because of the composition of substances all the way down to quarks. The laws came into effect after the first quarks separated from singularity at the instant of the big bang. Everything and anything above and including the quark level are bound to the laws. Trying to understand otherwise is trying to live in a fantasy world. 

I'm not going to pretend to know as much about physics as I do about genetics/medicine.  I wasn't suggesting that you didn't comprehend the science of it.  My point was that if God existed before the big bang and was the cause of said bang, he would have predated quarks.  Again, I'm not submitting that as conclusive evidence that God exists.  I'm just saying that confining God to the KNOWN laws of physics (a thermodynamically closed system) is making the assumption that (1) the laws pre-dated Him and (2) he is bound by those laws.

PS: If God could be proven there would be no need for faith.

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That sounds well and good but God doesn't have to be confined any physical laws.

Hewkii

Actually any being, even a god would have to. 

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That sounds well and good but God doesn't have to be confined any physical laws.

-Karayan-

Actually any being, even a god would have to. 

Stop trying to confine God to the laws of physics that we all know.  He is not a flesh and blood (or carbon-based would be more accurate) being.  If He was, the whole omnipresent, omniscient thing would be ridiculous.

If we take Genesis' initial premise as true (God created man in his own image; not the physical image but the spiritual image) and we have yet to identify said "soul", it stands to reason that it's not physical at all.