Do you believe in god? or nothing? what's wrong?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="lobodob"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="lobodob"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="lobodob"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?MattUD1

you're dead, in the ground, nothingness... Why would it matter if you affected their lives? WHY?

I don't understand how that can be good anything for anyone to live by...

Going to heaven

Spreading the Good News

establishing good logic

and lastly, love...

Why would you though? You're life will be meaningless when you're dead because you cease to exist...

[QUOTE="dominer"]EXAMPLES:

crusades

middle east

The bible preaching about hating gay people even though god and jesus loves everyone!?

sacrificing living things to god

foxhound_fox

1.but without religion we wouldn't have this problem in the first place would we?or it wouldn't have gone as drastically far as it did.

2.same as above

3.so what it hardly mentions it.Its still talks about hating homosexuality

4.I'm not just talking about animals...

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?krazykillaz

WHY? Its meaningless because when you're dead you cease to exist...

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="dominer"]EXAMPLES:

crusades

middle east

The bible preaching about hating gay people even though god and jesus loves everyone!?

sacrificing living things to god

dominer

1.but without religion we wouldn't have this problem in the first place would we?or it wouldn't have gone as drastically far as it did.

2.same as above

3.so what it hardly mentions it.Its still talks about hating homosexuality

4.I'm not just talking about animals...

Without religion, we would have annarchy...

I don't "believe" in God as the Christians like to say-I know there is God. Science doesn't have a why-God does. End of story.mohfrontline

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?

To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

Sure, when you're dead, nothing matters. While you're alive, it's generally eaiser to go with the flow and help others when you can. If nothing you do matters, all that matters is what you do.

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]I don't "believe" in God as the Christians like to say-I know there is God. Science doesn't have a why-God does. End of story.rinkegekido2110

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?

To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

Sure, when you're dead, nothing matters. While you're alive, it's generally eaiser to go with the flow and help others when you can. If nothing you do matters, all that matters is what you do.

the last part makes no sense at all...

After quickly evaluating this situation, the clever Lobodob departed the thread, content to die in his own way and in so doing, spawn a generation of worms to whom he will be their god. Thank you, and good night.

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?rinkegekido2110

Is energy eternal?

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

WHY? Its meaningless because when you're dead you cease to exist...

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?krazykillaz

WHY? Its meaningless because when you're dead you cease to exist...

That's a depressing life to live then I guess...

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]I don't "believe" in God as the Christians like to say-I know there is God. Science doesn't have a why-God does. End of story.battlefront23

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?

To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

Sure, when you're dead, nothing matters. While you're alive, it's generally eaiser to go with the flow and help others when you can. If nothing you do matters, all that matters is what you do.

the last part makes no sense at all...

It means that if there's no "grand design" behind everything, then all that matters is what you do now, while you're alive.

Why would you though? You're life will be meaningless when you're dead because you cease to exist...battlefront23

1.but without religion we wouldn't have this problem in the first place would we?or it wouldn't have gone as drastically far as it did.

2.same as above

3.so what it hardly mentions it.Its still talks about hating homosexuality

4.I'm not just talking about animals...

dominer

Why would you though? You're life will be meaningless when you're dead because you cease to exist...

battlefront23

And about my comment about "not withstanding" I can have my own idea for "good", but the society or culture as a whole may have a completely different, or slightly altered concept of good.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]I don't "believe" in God as the Christians like to say-I know there is God. Science doesn't have a why-God does. End of story.rinkegekido2110

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?

To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

Sure, when you're dead, nothing matters. While you're alive, it's generally eaiser to go with the flow and help others when you can. If nothing you do matters, all that matters is what you do.

the last part makes no sense at all...

It means that if there's no "grand design" behind everything, then all that matters is what you do now, while you're alive.

So we should do whatever we want to, when we are alive? I mean life is short, so why not?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]I don't "believe" in God as the Christians like to say-I know there is God. Science doesn't have a why-God does. End of story.rinkegekido2110

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?

To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

Sure, when you're dead, nothing matters. While you're alive, it's generally eaiser to go with the flow and help others when you can. If nothing you do matters, all that matters is what you do.

the last part makes no sense at all...

It means that if there's no "grand design" behind everything, then all that matters is what you do now, while you're alive.

But it could be different things... i.e.

Hitler

Mother teresa

Buddha

George Washington

All had different reasons to do the things they were doing, but can we agree Hitler was evil?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]I don't "believe" in God as the Christians like to say-I know there is God. Science doesn't have a why-God does. End of story.rinkegekido2110

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?

To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

Sure, when you're dead, nothing matters. While you're alive, it's generally eaiser to go with the flow and help others when you can. If nothing you do matters, all that matters is what you do.

the last part makes no sense at all...

It means that if there's no "grand design" behind everything, then all that matters is what you do now, while you're alive.

But it could be different things... i.e.

Hitler

Mother teresa

Buddha

George Washington

All had different reasons to do the things they were doing, but can we agree Hitler was evil?

[QUOTE="dominer"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="dominer"]EXAMPLES:

crusades

middle east

The bible preaching about hating gay people even though god and jesus loves everyone!?

sacrificing living things to god

battlefront23

1.but without religion we wouldn't have this problem in the first place would we?or it wouldn't have gone as drastically far as it did.

2.same as above

3.so what it hardly mentions it.Its still talks about hating homosexuality

4.I'm not just talking about animals...

Without religion, we would have annarchy...

without religion we would have correct spelling and we would have people thinking for themselves and being leaders

you don't need an anonymous book to control people.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]I don't "believe" in God as the Christians like to say-I know there is God. Science doesn't have a why-God does. End of story.rinkegekido2110

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?

To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

Sure, when you're dead, nothing matters. While you're alive, it's generally eaiser to go with the flow and help others when you can. If nothing you do matters, all that matters is what you do.

the last part makes no sense at all...

It means that if there's no "grand design" behind everything, then all that matters is what you do now, while you're alive.

But it could be different things... i.e.

Hitler

Mother teresa

Buddha

George Washington

All had different reasons to do the things they were doing, but can we agree Hitler was evil?

without religion we would have correct spelling and we would have people thinking for themselves and being leaders

you don't need an anonymous book to control people.

dominer

What book controls people? and what makes it anonymous?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="dominer"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="dominer"]EXAMPLES:

crusades

middle east

The bible preaching about hating gay people even though god and jesus loves everyone!?

sacrificing living things to god

dominer

1.but without religion we wouldn't have this problem in the first place would we?or it wouldn't have gone as drastically far as it did.

2.same as above

3.so what it hardly mentions it.Its still talks about hating homosexuality

4.I'm not just talking about animals...

Without religion, we would have annarchy...

without religion we would have correct spelling and we would have people thinking for themselves and being leaders

you don't need an anonymous book to control people.

What did I spell wrong, capitalize your first letter of your first word at the beginning of a sentence of you're a big grammar person, and man is inherently evil... so WE WOULD have annarchy...

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]Why would you though? You're life will be meaningless when you're dead because you cease to exist...foxhound_fox

1.but without religion we wouldn't have this problem in the first place would we?or it wouldn't have gone as drastically far as it did.

2.same as above

3.so what it hardly mentions it.Its still talks about hating homosexuality

4.I'm not just talking about animals...

dominer

What gives man this thought process? Could you prove it by science? And that just proves man is set apart from the animals...

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]I don't "believe" in God as the Christians like to say-I know there is God. Science doesn't have a why-God does. End of story.battlefront23

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?

To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

Sure, when you're dead, nothing matters. While you're alive, it's generally eaiser to go with the flow and help others when you can. If nothing you do matters, all that matters is what you do.

the last part makes no sense at all...

It means that if there's no "grand design" behind everything, then all that matters is what you do now, while you're alive.

But it could be different things... i.e.

Hitler

Mother teresa

Buddha

George Washington

All had different reasons to do the things they were doing, but can we agree Hitler was evil?

Where are you going with this? The fact that Hitler was responsible for millions of deaths doesn't change the fact that to the dead people it doesn't matter. Of course the living are going to be upset, as they should be. Intent is meaningless, actions are what matter.

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]I don't "believe" in God as the Christians like to say-I know there is God. Science doesn't have a why-God does. End of story.123625

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?

To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

Sure, when you're dead, nothing matters. While you're alive, it's generally eaiser to go with the flow and help others when you can. If nothing you do matters, all that matters is what you do.

the last part makes no sense at all...

It means that if there's no "grand design" behind everything, then all that matters is what you do now, while you're alive.

So we should do whatever we want to, when we are alive? I mean life is short, so why not?

If you wish to breach the social contract, go right ahead. You'll have no one to blame but yourself for your nasty, brutish, and short life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Contract

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Why would you though? You're life will be meaningless when you're dead because you cease to exist...

MattUD1

And about my comment about "not withstanding" I can have my own idea for "good", but the society or culture as a whole may have a completely different, or slightly altered concept of good.

Pushing for what/ helping them for what? Why would you want to do these things? Do all men think this way?

What gives man this thought process? Could you prove it by science? And that just proves man is set apart from the animals...battlefront23

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]I don't "believe" in God as the Christians like to say-I know there is God. Science doesn't have a why-God does. End of story.rinkegekido2110

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?

To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

Sure, when you're dead, nothing matters. While you're alive, it's generally eaiser to go with the flow and help others when you can. If nothing you do matters, all that matters is what you do.

the last part makes no sense at all...

It means that if there's no "grand design" behind everything, then all that matters is what you do now, while you're alive.

But it could be different things... i.e.

Hitler

Mother teresa

Buddha

George Washington

All had different reasons to do the things they were doing, but can we agree Hitler was evil?

Where are you going with this? The fact that Hitler was responsible for millions of deaths doesn't change the fact that to the dead people it doesn't matter. Of course the living are going to be upset, as they should be. Intent is meaningless, actions are what matter.

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"]

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]I don't "believe" in God as the Christians like to say-I know there is God. Science doesn't have a why-God does. End of story.123625

At least science is looking for a why. With god, you're just supposed to accept that this all-powerful, all-wise, all-good being just decided to create everything. Well, where did this "supreme" being come from?

To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?battlefront23

Sure, when you're dead, nothing matters. While you're alive, it's generally eaiser to go with the flow and help others when you can. If nothing you do matters, all that matters is what you do.

the last part makes no sense at all...

It means that if there's no "grand design" behind everything, then all that matters is what you do now, while you're alive.

So we should do whatever we want to, when we are alive? I mean life is short, so why not?

If you wish to breach the social contract, go right ahead. You'll have no one to blame but yourself for your nasty, brutish, and short life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Contract

Your intent is why you do what you do...

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]What gives man this thought process? Could you prove it by science? And that just proves man is set apart from the animals...foxhound_fox

How the heck can you prove we have compassion? And obviously everyone doesn't have compassion... And I never said it proves the existence of a God, but why do we have this thought process? Random chance seems to be a depressing reason...

How the heck can you prove we have compassion? And obviously everyone doesn't have compassion... And I never said it proves the existence of a God, but why do we have this thought process? Random chance seems to be a depressing reason...
battlefront23

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Why would you though? You're life will be meaningless when you're dead because you cease to exist...

battlefront23

And about my comment about "not withstanding" I can have my own idea for "good", but the society or culture as a whole may have a completely different, or slightly altered concept of good.

Pushing for what/ helping them for what? Why would you want to do these things? Do all men think this way?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Why would you though? You're life will be meaningless when you're dead because you cease to exist...

MattUD1

And about my comment about "not withstanding" I can have my own idea for "good", but the society or culture as a whole may have a completely different, or slightly altered concept of good.

Pushing for what/ helping them for what? Why would you want to do these things? Do all men think this way?

But I still don't understand why you would want to do good?

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]How the heck can you prove we have compassion? And obviously everyone doesn't have compassion... And I never said it proves the existence of a God, but why do we have this thought process? Random chance seems to be a depressing reason...
foxhound_fox

I find it highly unlikely every human can have compassion...

But I still don't understand why you would want to do good?battlefront23

I find it highly unlikely every human can have compassion... battlefront23

Your intent is why you do what you do...

battlefront23

Which really doesn't matter to me. If I gave you twenty million dollars, would you really care why I did it, or would you thank me and go on to spend your money?

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Why would you though? You're life will be meaningless when you're dead because you cease to exist...

battlefront23

And about my comment about "not withstanding" I can have my own idea for "good", but the society or culture as a whole may have a completely different, or slightly altered concept of good.

Pushing for what/ helping them for what? Why would you want to do these things? Do all men think this way?

But I still don't understand why you would want to do good?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]How the heck can you prove we have compassion? And obviously everyone doesn't have compassion... And I never said it proves the existence of a God, but why do we have this thought process? Random chance seems to be a depressing reason...
battlefront23

I find it highly unlikely every human can have compassion...

Why? What is so unbelievable about that? Just because they have it, doesn't mean they use it.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]But I still don't understand why you would want to do good?foxhound_fox

I find it highly unlikely every human can have compassion... battlefront23

I don't believe compassion is a flaw... its the greatest strength anyone can ever have...

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]But I still don't understand why you would want to do good?foxhound_fox

I find it highly unlikely every human can have compassion... battlefront23

because they are inherently evil... like I said before...

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Your intent is why you do what you do...

rinkegekido2110

Which really doesn't matter to me. If I gave you twenty million dollars, would you really care why I did it, or would you thank me and go on to spend your money?

I would ask you why or how you got it...

I don't believe compassion is a flaw... its the greatest strength anyone can ever have...battlefront23

because they are inherently evil... like I said before...battlefront23

[QUOTE="rinkegekido2110"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Your intent is why you do what you do...

battlefront23

Which really doesn't matter to me. If I gave you twenty million dollars, would you really care why I did it, or would you thank me and go on to spend your money?

I would ask you why or how you got it...

Good for you. It means your smart. However, there are way more people who would take it and run without a second thought. Question everything, it's the only way to get to the truth. :)

Just to let you know battlefront23 every action that we take is based on selfishness. Religion and self-sacrifice are not exceptions.domatron23

no

[QUOTE="domatron23"]Just to let you know battlefront23 every action that we take is based on selfishness. Religion and self-sacrifice are not exceptions.Revinh

no

Do explain.

[QUOTE="lobodob"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="lobodob"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?123625

Why is heaven a bad idea? and what makes it disgusting?

I think its self centered and arrogent to beleive we just die out from existence after death. To me it seems very self centered. And in the end your life is a pointless blip on the world, i don't like it.

How is it self centred that we die and become nothing? Self centred would imply that you gain something out of greed. What is there to gain from believing that we just rot in the ground after death?

I understand the point about Heaven being self centred. Too many people take it upon themselves to judge others about what everyone else is doing is wrong, especially all these Christians telling gay people they will go to hell. The Bible even says 'judge not lest ye be judged'.
Then there's the complacency of Christians to think that they're better for believing in God because they will go to Heaven and the Atheists will go to hell. If there even is a God, it's not in anyone's place to judge them. It's up to God. So if someone doesn't believe in God, then its between them and God.

[QUOTE="Revinh"]

[QUOTE="domatron23"]Just to let you know battlefront23 every action that we take is based on selfishness. Religion and self-sacrifice are not exceptions.domatron23

no

Do explain.

After you.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="lobodob"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="lobodob"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?Red-XIII

Why is heaven a bad idea? and what makes it disgusting?

I think its self centered and arrogent to beleive we just die out from existence after death. To me it seems very self centered. And in the end your life is a pointless blip on the world, i don't like it.

How is it self centred that we die and become nothing? Self centred would imply that you gain something out of greed. What is their to gain from believing that we just rot in the ground after death?

I understand the point about Heaven being self centred. Too many people take it upon themselves to judge others about what everyone else is doing is wrong, especially all these Christians telling gay people they will go to hell. The Bible even says 'judge not lest ye be judged'.
Then there's the complacency of Christians to think that they're better for believing in God because they will go to Heaven and the Atheists will go to hell. If there even is a God, it's not in anyone's place to judge them. It's up to God. So if someone doesn't believe in God, then its between them and God.

I can find whatever i want self centered (personal opinion)

And where in the bible does it say christians are better than anyone else? In the bible it says God loves all and we are all sinners in gods eyes, and since he cannot tolerate sin he must banish it from him. Only through Jesus you are saved, because he takes your sin and untill he takes your sin your no better than the next human.

And how is heaven greed? Its a reward and a promise to be with god forever and ever. i don't see how its greedy, sure we want to go to heaven but does that make it greedy?

And where in the bible does it say christians are better than anyone else?

123625

nowhere. he said that's what (some) Christians believe.

Then there's the complacency of Christians to think that they're better for believing in God because they will go to Heaven and the Atheists will go to hell.

I know this is very conterversial, but I think one of the gamespot admins probably has removed my thread or similarto this around a year ago and I guess they didn't like it for some reason. But to be honest, I really believe in god and there is hope are there especially what's going around in this world in terms of how much atrocities going on. There is too much hate and violence, I think we need love and peace. I mean seriously, "Where Is The Love?" I don't seriously don't get why some of you here in gamespot don't believe in god because probably many of you are Agnostic/Athiest. But why do you guys honestly think there are other religions out there who practices their faith? But I think being a christian is one of the things that really helps define a person who they are especially being good. I mean even if you don't believe in god or not, but why don't you believe in god for troubled tunes like there's a reason for why don't you believe in god because no offense, your ignorant or something who probably ever got into a religion or something. But that's one of the reasons why we have good and evil. I mean who knows, we can die in our sleep believe it or not, or die the next day from a vehicle accident or something.

So do you believe in god or not? Why or why not?
HyBridFuRy

I'll post this on this thread too because it's basically the same question:

I think that whenever someone asks "why do you believe in God?" there must be a predefined meaning of who or what God is.

God in the sense of religion is illogical by scientific point of view.

God in the sense of science is naive by the religious point of view.

Science, through the principles upon which it was developed (Scientific Method) however, cannot prove nor disprove the existence of God.

I do not believe in a God in a Judeo-Christian fashion, but I do believe in a God in the sense of an Alpha needed to precede some Beta.

To belive in God because "there is nothing to lose, but a great deal to gain," is a flawed standpoint. To believe in a God simply because fear led you to do as such, contradicts the principles of religion.

Back to what I was trying to say, God is a phenomenon that cannot be explained. Science, through its mathematical analysis of our universe believes that the universe was created by the Big Bang. Astronomers and Astrophysicists gathered experimental data to define how our universe was created. Lets call the Universe 'Beta' in which it was derived through the Big Bang. Now we as humans will try to find the Alpha to our Beta, because nature has programmed us to question beginning and end. When we think of the Big Bang and ask, "What came before the Big Bang?" we cannot come to a logical conclusion because humans cannot grasp the idea of nothingness. There needs to be a finite beginning and end in our minds.

To believe in an infinte beginning and end is illogical by the basis of human thought process. I believe that this is the reason why many people believe in a religious form of God, because it gives a definite answer to what is otherwise unexplainable.

No matter what defense you may have to back up your own believes whether scientific or religious, it will ultimately be flawed by the principles upon which each was created.

[QUOTE="Red-XIII"][QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="lobodob"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="lobodob"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]To not believe in a God is to have no purpose in life because when you die it won't matter what life you led... so why bother doing what is good?123625

Why is heaven a bad idea? and what makes it disgusting?

I think its self centered and arrogent to beleive we just die out from existence after death. To me it seems very self centered. And in the end your life is a pointless blip on the world, i don't like it.

How is it self centred that we die and become nothing? Self centred would imply that you gain something out of greed. What is their to gain from believing that we just rot in the ground after death?

I understand the point about Heaven being self centred. Too many people take it upon themselves to judge others about what everyone else is doing is wrong, especially all these Christians telling gay people they will go to hell. The Bible even says 'judge not lest ye be judged'.
Then there's the complacency of Christians to think that they're better for believing in God because they will go to Heaven and the Atheists will go to hell. If there even is a God, it's not in anyone's place to judge them. It's up to God. So if someone doesn't believe in God, then its between them and God.

I can find whatever i want self centered (personal opinion)

And where in the bible does it say christians are better than anyone else? In the bible it says God loves all and we are all sinners in gods eyes, and since he cannot tolerate sin he must banish it from him. Only through Jesus you are saved, because he takes your sin and untill he takes your sin your no better than the next human.

And how is heaven greed? Its a reward and a promise to be with god forever and ever. i don't see how its greedy, sure we want to go to heaven but does that make it greedy?

"I can find whatever i want self centered (personal opinion)" That in itself is self centred and sounds pretty immature. And saying that there is no heaven is self centred just because you want without any reason is just... silly. If you're going to debate with someone you're supposed to do it with reasoning.

I also never said that the Bible said that Christians are better than anyone else. I said that people take it upon themselves to judge others on God's behalf. I also didn't ask for your lesson on the Bible, I had to study it through 13 years of attending a Christians school system. I also don't believe that 'God loves all' because of all the people that God needlessly commanded his followers to kill.

As for Jesus saving everyone... Not everyone believes in the Christian God. For all you know, the Jews or Hindus could be right. It's 'selfish' if you will, to think that you can project your religious ideals on other people. Isn't Jesus' ideal to be selfess and a good person, rather than your belief in him?

I didn't say Heaven was greedy, I said that Christians become complacent about judging others about who will go to Heaven and who will not. You haven't read properly anything I said.