Do you believe in miracles?

Everything can have a rational explanation. When something is difficult to explain some people just take the easy way out and attribute it to the act of a divine being. No one ever talks about those people who prayed and their prayers weren't answered... only those who prayed and had their wish fulfilled.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Everything can have a rational explanation. When something is difficult to explain some people just take the easy way out and attribute it to the act of a divine being. No one ever talks about those people who prayed and their prayers weren't answered... only those who prayed and had their wish fulfilled.FPSunionOWNS

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[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Everything can have a rational explanation. When something is difficult to explain some people just take the easy way out and attribute it to the act of a divine being. No one ever talks about those people who prayed and their prayers weren't answered... only those who prayed and had their wish fulfilled.Shad0ki11

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:lol: Touche.

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Everything can have a rational explanation. When something is difficult to explain some people just take the easy way out and attribute it to the act of a divine being. No one ever talks about those people who prayed and their prayers weren't answered... only those who prayed and had their wish fulfilled.Shad0ki11

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Haha... nice. :lol:

explain ghosts thenFPSunionOWNS

theres obviously some kind of greater being because how the hell did humans with complex circulatory and skeletal systems appear randomly.FPSunionOWNS

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]explain ghosts thenfoxhound_fox

theres obviously some kind of greater being because how the hell did humans with complex circulatory and skeletal systems appear randomly.FPSunionOWNS

Does being human and having a skeleton and complex circulatory system have anything to do with miracles? Are we not supposed to have complex circulatory systems?

No. It's not random either. It's the way life has been for millions of years.

I don't believe that God directly circumvents the very laws of nature that he would have put in place just to help some random guy, no.

I find even less likely the idea that God does so because you asked him to do so, as well.

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]theres obviously some kind of greater being because how the hell did humans with complex circulatory and skeletal systems appear randomly.Shad0ki11

Does being human and having a skeleton and complex circulatory system have anything to do with miracles? Are we not supposed to have complex circulatory systems?

No. It's not random either. It's the way life has been for millions of years.

You know what kind of miracle I wanna see? I wanna see an amputee growing a missing limb. That would blow my mind.

-or-

Even better, have someone pull the key out of an active grenade, then hold it close to his chest, explode, then walk away unscathed.

You know what kind of miracle I wanna see? I wanna see an amputee growing a missing limb. That would blow my mind.

-or-

Even better, have someone pull the key out of an active grenade, then hold it close to his chest, explode, then walk away unscathed.

Shad0ki11

I saw a woman get healed at a conference I went to. She had a problem in one of her legs, causing it to be about 2-3 inches shorter than the other. This guy started praying for her and it grew to the size of the other leg in about 30 seconds. If that's not a miracle, I dont know what is. You dont have to believe me, quite frankly I dont care if you dont.

If you're talking about religious miracles, then no. But I don't think that's the only kind of miracle.

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

You know what kind of miracle I wanna see? I wanna see an amputee growing a missing limb. That would blow my mind.

-or-

Even better, have someone pull the key out of an active grenade, then hold it close to his chest, explode, then walk away unscathed.

Taegukki

I saw a woman get healed at a conference I went to. She had a problem in one of her legs, causing it to be about 2-3 inches shorter than the other. This guy started praying for her and it grew to the size of the other leg in about 30 seconds. If that's not a miracle, I dont know what is. You dont have to believe me, quite frankly I dont care if you dont.

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]theres obviously some kind of greater being because how the hell did humans with complex circulatory and skeletal systems appear randomly.FPSunionOWNS

Does being human and having a skeleton and complex circulatory system have anything to do with miracles? Are we not supposed to have complex circulatory systems?

No. It's not random either. It's the way life has been for millions of years.

Believing in ghosts is believing in the occult. If you are a devout Christian, you are shooting yourself in the foot. :P

[QUOTE="Taegukki"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

You know what kind of miracle I wanna see? I wanna see an amputee growing a missing limb. That would blow my mind.

-or-

Even better, have someone pull the key out of an active grenade, then hold it close to his chest, explode, then walk away unscathed.

FPSunionOWNS

I saw a woman get healed at a conference I went to. She had a problem in one of her legs, causing it to be about 2-3 inches shorter than the other. This guy started praying for her and it grew to the size of the other leg in about 30 seconds. If that's not a miracle, I dont know what is. You dont have to believe me, quite frankly I dont care if you dont.

Sure, you werent there so why would you? Doesnt matter to me though.

so your saying you have never seen a ghost a little movement in the corner of your eye ever?FPSunionOWNS

I saw a woman get healed at a conference I went to. She had a problem in one of her legs, causing it to be about 2-3 inches shorter than the other. This guy started praying for her and it grew to the size of the other leg in about 30 seconds. If that's not a miracle, I dont know what is. You dont have to believe me, quite frankly I dont care if you dont.

Taegukki

I saw a woman who had people praying for her and absolutely nothing happened; she died of her disease all the same.

I guess God plays favorites? :P

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

You know what kind of miracle I wanna see? I wanna see an amputee growing a missing limb. That would blow my mind.

-or-

Even better, have someone pull the key out of an active grenade, then hold it close to his chest, explode, then walk away unscathed.

Taegukki

I saw a woman get healed at a conference I went to. She had a problem in one of her legs, causing it to be about 2-3 inches shorter than the other. This guy started praying for her and it grew to the size of the other leg in about 30 seconds. If that's not a miracle, I dont know what is. You dont have to believe me, quite frankly I dont care if you dont.

Was I there? Did I see it?

Do you have pics, vids, or witnesses?

Otherwise I could have made up the same story and told you the same thing.

i wasnt replying to the post about miracles i was talking to the atheist poster, and humans have been traced back to 1.6 million years ago out of 4.6 billion years f earth. And scientfically there arent really possible ways we could just get the perfectly functioning bodys by a couple of cells forming together so there has to be some other way.FPSunionOWNS

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]theres obviously some kind of greater being because how the hell did humans with complex circulatory and skeletal systems appear randomly.Shad0ki11

Does being human and having a skeleton and complex circulatory system have anything to do with miracles? Are we not supposed to have complex circulatory systems?

No. It's not random either. It's the way life has been for millions of years.

Believing in ghosts is believing in the occult. If you are a devout Christian, you are shooting yourself in the foot. :P

Most "ghosts" can be attributed to light doing funny things with your eyes when it's dark. Our eyes are easily fooled, that's why there are so many different kinds of optical illusions that do funny things.foxhound_fox

Another thing, as well, is the effect of already believing that something exists. If that's the case, your brain will automatically mold what you see to fit in with that belief. Another person who does not believe it exists will very likely have a completely different reaction to the same stimuli. It's very often a self-fulfilling prophecy in that way.

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]i wasnt replying to the post about miracles i was talking to the atheist poster, and humans have been traced back to 1.6 million years ago out of 4.6 billion years f earth. And scientfically there arent really possible ways we could just get the perfectly functioning bodys by a couple of cells forming together so there has to be some other way.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]theres obviously some kind of greater being because how the hell did humans with complex circulatory and skeletal systems appear randomly.FPSunionOWNS

Does being human and having a skeleton and complex circulatory system have anything to do with miracles? Are we not supposed to have complex circulatory systems?

No. It's not random either. It's the way life has been for millions of years.

Believing in ghosts is believing in the occult. If you are a devout Christian, you are shooting yourself in the foot. :P

Same thing and I explained ghosts to you.

i wasnt replying to the post about miracles i was talking to the atheist poster, and humans have been traced back to 1.6 million years ago out of 4.6 billion years f earth. And scientfically there arent really possible ways we could just get the perfectly functioning bodys by a couple of cells forming together so there has to be some other way.FPSunionOWNS

what do you mean i thought nobody knows how the human body was created.FPSunionOWNS

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]

I saw a woman get healed at a conference I went to. She had a problem in one of her legs, causing it to be about 2-3 inches shorter than the other. This guy started praying for her and it grew to the size of the other leg in about 30 seconds. If that's not a miracle, I dont know what is. You dont have to believe me, quite frankly I dont care if you dont.

GabuEx

I saw a woman who had people praying for her and absolutely nothing happened; she died of her disease all the same.

I guess God plays favorites? :P

Maybe it was just her time?

what do you mean i thought nobody knows how the human body was created.FPSunionOWNS

In the sense that nobody can build a human from scratch, yes, nobody knows exactly how it was created... but the fossil record is so incredibly massive by now that we can basically trace our exact lineage and formation almost all the way back to where things began.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="Taegukki"]

I saw a woman get healed at a conference I went to. She had a problem in one of her legs, causing it to be about 2-3 inches shorter than the other. This guy started praying for her and it grew to the size of the other leg in about 30 seconds. If that's not a miracle, I dont know what is. You dont have to believe me, quite frankly I dont care if you dont.

Taegukki

I saw a woman who had people praying for her and absolutely nothing happened; she died of her disease all the same.

I guess God plays favorites? :P

Maybe it was just her time?

Maybe God just hated her guts?

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]what do you mean i thought nobody knows how the human body was created.foxhound_fox

I suppose so.

Maybe it was just her time? Taegukki

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]what do you mean i thought nobody knows how the human body was created.GabuEx

In the sense that nobody can build a human from scratch, yes, nobody knows exactly how it was created... but the fossil record is so incredibly massive by now that we can basically trace our exact lineage and formation almost all the way back to where things began.

Maybe it was just her time?

Taegukki

Well in that case then it must be an awful lot of people's time, given that the majority of people who are dying probably have folks praying for them.

That's actually one of my biggest pet peeves about miracles. If someone lives, it's proof that God performed a miracle. If someone dies, well, then it was just that person's time and the death was all part of God's plan. If it's quite literally impossible for an observation not to validate what one believes, it might be time to re-evaluate things.

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"][QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

[QUOTE="FPSunionOWNS"]theres obviously some kind of greater being because how the hell did humans with complex circulatory and skeletal systems appear randomly.Shad0ki11

Does being human and having a skeleton and complex circulatory system have anything to do with miracles? Are we not supposed to have complex circulatory systems?

No. It's not random either. It's the way life has been for millions of years.

Believing in ghosts is believing in the occult. If you are a devout Christian, you are shooting yourself in the foot. :P

Same thing and I explained ghosts to you.