Do You Believe Jesus Christ Rose From The Dead? (Poll)

[QUOTE="FlyingArmbar"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

We are not talking about Moses who was not the Messiah, we are talking about Jesus who was. You are moving the goal posts. There are also many differences in the lifves of Moses and Muhammad but I am not going to get into that here.

blackregiment

If you want to talk similiraties, talk the Egyptian god Horus. Jesus was clearly ripped off of Horus.

I was wondering when someone would bring up that false allegation. You might want to research the truth about Horus. Bring on the religious texts that support your claim, not unsupported Youtube movies. If you are interested, here is some information on Horus as well as other false pagan gods.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-myth.html

http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html

Your proof is articles from christian websites? There are books written by unbiased historians (as opposed to christians trying to protect their religion) that show plenty of links between the two of them.

No I don't believe in Jesus Christ because I am atheist.

@Blackregiment: Here are a couple of sources (here, here) on virgin births & rising from the dead in various religions before Jesus. There are hundreds of sources, so I just picked the first two, but the moral of the story is that the life and death of Jesus was not a first time event. Which in turn would lead some to believe that the Bible pulled parts from previous "myths/stories".

@Blackregiment: Here are a couple of sources (here, here) on virgin births & rising from the dead in various religions before Jesus. There are hundreds of sources, so I just picked the first two, but the moral of the story is that the life and death of Jesus was not a first time event. Which in turn would lead some to believe that the Bible pulled parts from previous "myths/stories".

btaylor2404

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]

@Blackregiment: Here are a couple of sources (here, here) on virgin births & rising from the dead in various religions before Jesus. There are hundreds of sources, so I just picked the first two, but the moral of the story is that the life and death of Jesus was not a first time event. Which in turn would lead some to believe that the Bible pulled parts from previous "myths/stories".

LJS9502_basic

No I don't believe in Jesus Christ because I am atheist.

SSBFan12

[QUOTE="FlyingArmbar"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

We are not talking about Moses who was not the Messiah, we are talking about Jesus who was. You are moving the goal posts. There are also many differences in the lifves of Moses and Muhammad but I am not going to get into that here.

blackregiment

If you want to talk similiraties, talk the Egyptian god Horus. Jesus was clearly ripped off of Horus.

I was wondering when someone would bring up that false allegation. You might want to research the truth about Horus. Bring on the religious texts that support your claim, not unsupported Youtube movies. If you are interested, here is some information on Horus as well as other false pagan gods.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-myth.html

http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html

Out of sheer curiosity, on what grounds do you base your assumption that the Greek gods (Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, etc.) are false?

Dunno. Can't say that I really give a damn, to be honest.

Out of sheer curiosity, on what grounds do you base your assumption that the Greek gods (Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, etc.) are false?

chessmaster1989

Well, quite clearly because he's a christian. In any case, there's no evidence to prove or disprove any God, so it ultimately comes down to belief.

I try not to get into religous debates too much, because no one will know the true answer.king23_

I try not to get into religious discussions because it's very difficult to put your opinion across without ridicule. These are very serious topics, and they can't be answered on a gaming forum populated by strangers under the guise of avatars and pseudo-names.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

OK, he went to heaven. Thank you for clearing that up. Now answer the question: does the fact that Muhammad and Jesus shared similar lives make them equal?

MFaraz_Hayat

Their lives were not similar at all. I am not going to get into a discussion of that here however. Study their lives and you will see.

One irrelevant detail does not render my point invalid. Both are claimed to have been preaching the word of God directly. Both are claimed to have risen into heaven (though one died and the other didn't, their spirits still reside in God's Kingdom). Both are claimed to be the final word of truth in their respective religions.

Considering this, are Muhammad and Jesus equal? And this goes out to both MFaraz and Crushmaster/BlackRegiment.

The correct answer would be I don't know, how would anyone know.

To be honest, I don't know anymore. I think I am beginning to move from being religious to spiritual, as I feel my faith is beginning to evolve. I need some serious time to figure this all out. Add this to my Summer-to-do list.

I think it's pretty likely Jesus wasn't even a real guy.clembo1990

No, zombies aren't real :x

@Blackregiment: Here are a couple of sources (here, here) on virgin births & rising from the dead in various religions before Jesus. There are hundreds of sources, so I just picked the first two, but the moral of the story is that the life and death of Jesus was not a first time event. Which in turn would lead some to believe that the Bible pulled parts from previous "myths/stories".

btaylor2404

The problem is that many that promote these alleged parallels between Jesus and other pagan gods base their comparison on three or four books on the subject and not on religious texts regarding these gods. They then takes bits from each of these pagan gods and lump them together to create a composite myth. In addition to the two other sites I provided, here are some other sites that address these myths.

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/JesusEvidenceCrucifiedSaviors.htm#Thor

http://www.slideshare.net/schumacr/isnt-jesus-just-a-copy-of-pagan-gods-presentation

No, men do not rise after they have been executed.

Yep. And im the Necromancer that did it.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

So you are saying that if a person deliberately disobeys God's word and yet believes in Christ as his savior, he will enter hell?

MFaraz_Hayat

*sigh* If one lives in willful disobedience to the Lord in sin, it does not matter what they claim to believe. We prove our faith by obedience to the Lord. Even satan believe is the Lord Jesus Christ. He attempted to tempt Him.

Thank you, for confirming this. For Crushmaster, earlier in this thread, clearly told people that actions do not count and only professed faith is what will allow a person to achieve salvation.

I don't know what you are referring to regarding any statement Crush made. From your response though, I think you are still confusing works after salvation with how one obtains salvation. Salvation is through God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, not of works lest any man should boast. Salvation is obtained by repentance and placing one's total trust in the finished work of Christ on the cross, not in anything we do or keeping any Church tradition. There is no work, nothing we can do to save ourselves. It is a total work of God. Our desire for humble repentance, our faith, and God's grace are gifts of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Once saved, evidence of our salvation is manifested in the fruit of our lives. A saved Christian will strive to live holy and righteous lives in service and obedience to the Lord. They are a new creature in Christ. Old things are passed away. They will not continue in a life of willful sin and disobedience to God's Word. The evidence of their salvation will be manifested in their lives through obedience to the Word of God and in good works in service to the Him.

Good works do not save, they are evidence of true salvation after one is saved.

75 people say yes? this honestly scares me.SaintLeonidas

...and 107 say no or they don't know. This saddens me and saddens the Lord as well.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="FlyingArmbar"]

If you want to talk similiraties, talk the Egyptian god Horus. Jesus was clearly ripped off of Horus.

FlyingArmbar

I was wondering when someone would bring up that false allegation. You might want to research the truth about Horus. Bring on the religious texts that support your claim, not unsupported Youtube movies. If you are interested, here is some information on Horus as well as other false pagan gods.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-myth.html

http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html

Your proof is articles from christian websites? There are books written by unbiased historians (as opposed to christians trying to protect their religion) that show plenty of links between the two of them.

You are welcome to bring forth the religious texts that support your personal opinion. I'll be waiting.

Yes, Jesus came back from the dead.

Unfortunately, Night of the Living Dead didn't come out until 2,000 years later, so the apostles didn't know how to dispose of him properly.

It's funny that people still debate this nonsense.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]75 people say yes? this honestly scares me.blackregiment

...and 107 say no or they don't know. This saddens me and saddens the Lord as well.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

But does this not prove what I was saying. Did Moses do miracles? Yes. Did John The Baptist do miracles? No. And John the baptist is greatest of Prophets. Showing that miracles are not the criteria to judge the greatness of a Prophet.

MFaraz_Hayat

You are the one that keeps bring up miracles. It wasn't even a part of the discussion. If you want to talk about miracles, then look at Jesus who predicted His own death and resurrection.

I am not talking of Jesus(PBUH). The verses you provided clearly establish that John the Baptist was the greatest of Prophets. Yet it is also true that he did not perform any miracle. Moses(PBUH) on the other hand, did perform miracles. Yet, John the Baptist is a greater Prophet than him. Hence, we can logically conclude(from the Bible) that miracles have to do nothing with greatness of the Prophet.

You continue to argue against yourself regarding miracles and the prophets. No one has said that the number of miracles performed determines the "greatness of the prophet". In regards to Jesus, He was a Prophet, King, Priest, Savior, and God incarnate. He will also be the final Judge at end times, see the book of Revelation.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]75 people say yes? this honestly scares me.htekemerald

...and 107 say no or they don't know. This saddens me and saddens the Lord as well.

You seem to think that this world is all there is and that God is obligated to rush in and "solve" all of the problems caused by man's disobedience to Him and His will, to somehow make this world a utopia. This world is but a wisp of smoke compared to eternity. God thinks in eternal terms, not finite temporal terms. His plan of redemption in Christ is for all eternity. His plan is for eternal redemption, not to reform this world and fix all of the problems caused by man's rebellion in using their free will to reject Him.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

...and 107 say no or they don't know. This saddens me and saddens the Lord as well.

blackregiment

You seem to think that this world is all there is and that God is obligated to rush in and "solve" all of the problems caused by man's disobedience to Him and His will, to somehow make this world a utopia. This world is but a wisp of smoke compared to eternity. God thinks in eternal terms, not finite temporal terms. His plan of redemption in Christ is for all eternity. His plan is for eternal redemption, not to reform this world and fix all of the problems caused by man's rebellion in using their free will to reject Him.

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]75 people say yes? this honestly scares me.blackregiment

...and 107 say no or they don't know. This saddens me and saddens the Lord as well.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

how would that sadden him? doesn't god have a "plan" for everyone? was it gods plan for me to turn his back on him then send me to hell? if god knows all, he shouldalready knowwho would turn his back on him.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

And so we arrive at the beginning. The same can be said of the eyewitnesses of Muhammad's ascension into heaven. They died rather than recant their faith, because the early Muslims were just as harshly persecuted as the early Christians were.

MFaraz_Hayat

You might want to brush up a bit on Islamic theology. Muhammad claimed to have taken a midnight ride to heaven during his life. After his death, it is not claimed that he arose. In fact His grave is in Medina and it is a Islamic holy site.

If I am not mistaken, I do not believe the word Jerusalem is even found in the Koran.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"]75 people say yes? this honestly scares me.lonewolf604

...and 107 say no or they don't know. This saddens me and saddens the Lord as well.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

how would that sadden him? doesn't god have a "plan" for everyone? was it gods plan for me to turn his back on him then send me to hell? if god knows all, he shouldalready knowwho would turn his back on him.

He does know who will accept His plan of salvation in Christ and who will reject it. He gives us a free will to accept it or reject it but will not force us to have fellowship with Him. God does not force anyone to "turn their back on Him". That is totally our choice.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

It saddens him because He love us and does not want anyone to be eternlly separated from Him but He will respect our choice if that is what we choose.

He does know who will accept His plan of salvation in Christ and who will reject it. He gives us a free will to accept it or reject it but will not force us to have fellowship with Him. God does not force anyone to "turn their back on Him". That is totally our choice.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

blackregiment

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] With the world the way it is I find it funny that anyone can belive in god.

htekemerald

You seem to think that this world is all there is and that God is obligated to rush in and "solve" all of the problems caused by man's disobedience to Him and His will, to somehow make this world a utopia. This world is but a wisp of smoke compared to eternity. God thinks in eternal terms, not finite temporal terms. His plan of redemption in Christ is for all eternity. His plan is for eternal redemption, not to reform this world and fix all of the problems caused by man's rebellion in using their free will to reject Him.

Sorry but I do not accept your premise. We cannot lay the charge against God and blame Him for the suffering in this world caused by huimanity's rejection of Him. Suffering in this world is the result of many's rebellion against Him.

If one is so concerned about suffering in the world, then they should do their part, repent and regain fellowship with Christ in obedience to Him? Pain and suffering cannot possibly end in this world unless all come to Christ.

[QUOTE="king23_"]I try not to get into religous debates too much, because no one will know the true answer.VoodooGamer

I try not to get into religious discussions because it's very difficult to put your opinion across without ridicule. These are very serious topics, and they can't be answered on a gaming forum populated by strangers under the guise of avatars and pseudo-names.

Same here. I just love to follow these debates to see people of such conviction claim their beliefs to be truth. It really is astounding, but also futile to debate, unless it's for debate's sake. No one will ever change their mind.....they simply have too much invested in it. Jesus could come down himself and say he's not the son of God and that his father accepts homosexuals unconditionally and he would be called a liar and rejected. The strength of belief coupled with denial is one powerful combination.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

He does know who will accept His plan of salvation in Christ and who will reject it. He gives us a free will to accept it or reject it but will not force us to have fellowship with Him. God does not force anyone to "turn their back on Him". That is totally our choice.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

zakkro

Yes knowledge of what one will do by an all knowing God is a separate issue from our free will. While this is not the best analogy or the same thing, consider a teacher. A teacher kinda knows who will do well on an upcoming exam based on class observations on such thing as who takes notes, does their homework, participates in class, does well on quizzes, etc. That approximate foreknowledge does not mean though that a good student might go in and leave every question blank of their own free will. Again, this is not the best analogy but it kinda shows what I am referring to.

Yes knowledge of what one will do by an all knowing God is a separate issue from our free will. While this is not the best analogy or the same thing, consider a teacher. A teacher kinda knows who will do well on an upcoming exam based on class observations on such thing as who takes notes, does their homework, participates in class, does well on quizzes, etc. That approximate foreknowledge does not mean though that a good student might go in and leave every question blank of their own free will. Again, this is not the best analogy but it kinda shows what I am referring to.blackregiment

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

You seem to think that this world is all there is and that God is obligated to rush in and "solve" all of the problems caused by man's disobedience to Him and His will, to somehow make this world a utopia. This world is but a wisp of smoke compared to eternity. God thinks in eternal terms, not finite temporal terms. His plan of redemption in Christ is for all eternity. His plan is for eternal redemption, not to reform this world and fix all of the problems caused by man's rebellion in using their free will to reject Him.

blackregiment

Sorry but I do not accept your premise. We cannot lay the charge against God and blame Him for the suffering in this world caused by huimanity's rejection of Him. Suffering in this world is the result of many's rebellion against Him.

If one is so concerned about suffering in the world, then they should do their part, repent and regain fellowship with Christ in obedience to Him? Pain and suffering cannot possibly end in this world unless all come to Christ.

Also I am sure its humanities fault that the earth is such a terrible place to live. Not you know, your so called creator who made so little of the planet viable for humans to live on it. Makes perfect sense. I love your idea of free will to, its like me going onto the street with a gun and saying people just freely gave me their wallets, same deal as telling people to believe in your religion of suffer all eternity for it.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]Yes knowledge of what one will do by an all knowing God is a separate issue from our free will. While this is not the best analogy or the same thing, consider a teacher. A teacher kinda knows who will do well on an upcoming exam based on class observations on such thing as who takes notes, does their homework, participates in class, does well on quizzes, etc. That approximate foreknowledge does not mean though that a good student might go in and leave every question blank of their own free will. Again, this is not the best analogy but it kinda shows what I am referring to.zakkro

We will just have to disagree. The fact that our all-knowing God, knows who will accept His plan of redemption in Christ and who will reject it, in no way means that He causes us to reject Him. Knowing and causing are two separate things. The Bible speaks on why people reject God's plan of salvation in Christ.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] I see, god has no problem with millions if not billions suffering in this life because its all pointless. Its just a test to see who he can throw into hellfire for eternity and those he can't.

htekemerald

Sorry but I do not accept your premise. We cannot lay the charge against God and blame Him for the suffering in this world caused by huimanity's rejection of Him. Suffering in this world is the result of many's rebellion against Him.

If one is so concerned about suffering in the world, then they should do their part, repent and regain fellowship with Christ in obedience to Him? Pain and suffering cannot possibly end in this world unless all come to Christ.

Also I am sure its humanities fault that the earth is such a terrible place to live. Not you know, your so called creator who made so little of the planet viable for humans to live on it. Makes perfect sense. I love your idea of free will to, its like me going onto the street with a gun and saying people just freely gave me their wallets, same deal as telling people to believe in your religion of suffer all eternity for it.

Well, as I always state, you are free to believe that or whatever else you choose. God will not force anyone to come to Him while he is on the throne of grace. I must also add that, while contrary to popular opinion, our beliefs do not determine truth in reality. God has revealed in His Word that we have a choice. We can either come to Him now while He is still on the throne of grace or stand before Him later when He sits on the throne of judgement.

The choice is ours.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Sorry but I do not accept your premise. We cannot lay the charge against God and blame Him for the suffering in this world caused by huimanity's rejection of Him. Suffering in this world is the result of many's rebellion against Him.

If one is so concerned about suffering in the world, then they should do their part, repent and regain fellowship with Christ in obedience to Him? Pain and suffering cannot possibly end in this world unless all come to Christ.

blackregiment

Also I am sure its humanities fault that the earth is such a terrible place to live. Not you know, your so called creator who made so little of the planet viable for humans to live on it. Makes perfect sense. I love your idea of free will to, its like me going onto the street with a gun and saying people just freely gave me their wallets, same deal as telling people to believe in your religion of suffer all eternity for it.

We can either come to Him now while He is still on the throne of grace or stand before Him later when He sits on the throne of judgement.

The choice is ours.

[QUOTE="zakkro"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

He does know who will accept His plan of salvation in Christ and who will reject it. He gives us a free will to accept it or reject it but will not force us to have fellowship with Him. God does not force anyone to "turn their back on Him". That is totally our choice.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Yes knowledge of what one will do by an all knowing God is a separate issue from our free will. While this is not the best analogy or the same thing, consider a teacher. A teacher kinda knows who will do well on an upcoming exam based on class observations on such thing as who takes notes, does their homework, participates in class, does well on quizzes, etc. That approximate foreknowledge does not mean though that a good student might go in and leave every question blank of their own free will. Again, this is not the best analogy but it kinda shows what I am referring to.

[QUOTE="zakkro"] He gives us the ability to accept or reject his plan? But he already knows the answer?

Yes knowledge of what one will do by an all knowing God is a separate issue from our free will. While this is not the best analogy or the same thing, consider a teacher. A teacher kinda knows who will do well on an upcoming exam based on class observations on such thing as who takes notes, does their homework, participates in class, does well on quizzes, etc. That approximate foreknowledge does not mean though that a good student might go in and leave every question blank of their own free will. Again, this is not the best analogy but it kinda shows what I am referring to.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="htekemerald"] Have fun with that. As we have seen throughout history religion is a great binding force that brings people together.

Also I am sure its humanities fault that the earth is such a terrible place to live. Not you know, your so called creator who made so little of the planet viable for humans to live on it. Makes perfect sense. I love your idea of free will to, its like me going onto the street with a gun and saying people just freely gave me their wallets, same deal as telling people to believe in your religion of suffer all eternity for it.

htekemerald

We can either come to Him now while He is still on the throne of grace or stand before Him later when He sits on the throne of judgement.

The choice is ours.

That is not a "threat". It is what God has revealed in the whole counsel of His Word. You comment leads me to ask these questions of you. Do you believe God exists? Do you believe the Bible is God's Word? Do you believe Christ died to pay the price of the sins of those that repent and believe and trust in Him? Do you believe Jesus is God and is risen? I ask these questions for clarification since, if one does not believe these things, then why would they suggest that the revelation of a God that they don't believe in would be a "threat"? Interesting dilemna huh? :)

Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Act 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

Yes knowledge of what one will do by an all knowing God is a separate issue from our free will. While this is not the best analogy or the same thing, consider a teacher. A teacher kinda knows who will do well on an upcoming exam based on class observations on such thing as who takes notes, does their homework, participates in class, does well on quizzes, etc. That approximate foreknowledge does not mean though that a good student might go in and leave every question blank of their own free will. Again, this is not the best analogy but it kinda shows what I am referring to.

Scoob64

Thanks for sharing that. Your grandparents sound like they were very special people. From your description of how they lived, I would say you were fortunate to have them in your life.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

We can either come to Him now while He is still on the throne of grace or stand before Him later when He sits on the throne of judgement.

The choice is ours.

blackregiment

That is not a "threat". It is what God has revealed in the whole counsel of His Word. You comment leads me to ask these questions of you. Do you believe God exists? Do you believe the Bible is God's Word? Do you believe Christ died to pay the price of the sins of those that repent and believe and trust in Him? Do you believe Jesus is God and is risen? I ask these questions for clarification since, if one does not believe these things, then why would they suggest that the revelation of a God that they don't believe in would be a "threat"? Interesting dilemna huh? :)

Not a threat according to religion.

I myself don't view it as threatening to me, I see it as being used as a threat by the religious.