[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="Protoford"]marriage. no, wrong name for this. marriage has a definition. Civil Union gives all the same rights to same sex couples as for opposite sex couples getting married. How does something affecting such a small percentage of the population become such a common topic? This is not a civil rights issue. The rights to a civil union are there. It is a civil rights issue. The right to marry is as important as the right to vote. The fact that only affects ~10% of the population is irrelevant. I agree times a million lololol
Well, homosexuality is not natural (I don't see any study confirming this) so no. But heck, if we all wanna agree to something that supposedly doesn't hurt others, lets make it all legal: polygamy, father-daughter, mother-son relations, human-animal sexual interactions, and so on. Hey, they're not hurting anyone either, right?
Bourbons3
Quote For the Truth It exists in nature, so it is natural. Its a lot more natural than most aspects of most people's lives.
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]Quote For the Truth
Rob0_Jesus
It exists in nature, so it is natural. Its a lot more natural than most aspects of most people's lives.
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
I believe his point is, it exists in nature and does not harm anyone. throwing poop can be dangerous, incest creates weird kids, and killing is mean.
[QUOTE="Protoford"]marriage. no, wrong name for this. marriage has a definition. Civil Union gives all the same rights to same sex couples as for opposite sex couples getting married. How does something affecting such a small percentage of the population become such a common topic? This is not a civil rights issue. The rights to a civil union are there.Bourbons3
It is a civil rights issue. The right to marry is as important as the right to vote. The fact that only affects ~10% of the population is irrelevant. FURTHERMORE, some churches were actually accepting to marry gays.. SO I would say this is a violation of the first amendment because the government is impeding in their religious practices.. Between two consenting adults.. And what the majority says does not mean its law..
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]Quote For the Truth
It exists in nature, so it is natural. Its a lot more natural than most aspects of most people's lives.
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
Except they are between two consenting adults.. The others are not.. And to Peter, your point is a fallacy on a slippery slope.. We can just amount this kind of logic to any argument to try to make it seem wrong.. Father and daughter etc etc are considered forms of child abuse... Furthermore Human and animal intercourse is illegal because the animal does not have the ability to consent, its considered abuse. I find it really REALLY offensive that you are trying to comprae homosexuality with murder, incest, and beastiality.
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"] It exists in nature, so it is natural. Its a lot more natural than most aspects of most people's lives.sSubZerOo
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
Except they are between two consenting adults.. The others are not.. And to Peter, your point is a fallacy on a slippery slope.. We can just amount this kind of logic to any argument to try to make it seem wrong.. Father and daughter etc etc are considered forms of child abuse... Furthermore Human and animal intercourse is illegal because the animal does not have the ability to consent, its considered abuse. I find it really REALLY offensive that you are trying to comprae homosexuality with murder, incest, and beastiality. I know someone who insists that if you legalize gay marriage that logically speaking you must allow older men to marry underage girls. He never really explains it. :(
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]Quote For the Truth
Rob0_Jesus
It exists in nature, so it is natural. Its a lot more natural than most aspects of most people's lives.
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
You're confusing 'natural' with 'morally acceptable'. Society doesn't have a 100% natural existence.
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"] It exists in nature, so it is natural. Its a lot more natural than most aspects of most people's lives.Bourbons3
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
You're confusing 'natural' with 'morally acceptable'. Society doesn't have a 100% natural existence.
Then what makes same sex marriage morally acceptable or right? Who makes the rules?
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
You're confusing 'natural' with 'morally acceptable'. Society doesn't have a 100% natural existence.
Then what makes same sex marriage morally acceptable or right? Who makes the rules?
Society has changed.. Now minorities can marry whites.. And we consider in the end two consenting adults as the main thing.. In the end why do people care about this?
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"] It exists in nature, so it is natural. Its a lot more natural than most aspects of most people's lives.Bourbons3
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
You're confusing 'natural' with 'morally acceptable'. Society doesn't have a 100% natural existence. I hate when people dont understand what the world natural means. everything thats ever existed is natural. even man made things
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
Rob0_Jesus
You're confusing 'natural' with 'morally acceptable'. Society doesn't have a 100% natural existence.
Then what makes same sex marriage morally acceptable or right? Who makes the rules?
Morals are relative, there are no rules. I think same-sex marriage is morally acceptable, just like opposite-sex marriage.
It is natural because people do not choose to be gay Something biological happens that causes them to be gay (probably a genetic predisposition combined with environmental influences) If it happens biologically without humans direct engineeringthe changethen it is natural. You cannot argue against this because it is a fact.
It is natural because people do not choose to be gay Something biological happens that causes them to be gay (probably a genetic predisposition combined with environmental influences) If it happens biologically without humans direct engineeringthe changethen it is natural. You cannot argue against this because it is a fact.
Guybrush_3
That is a theory so far. We are not 100% sure that gay is natural or choice.
It is natural because people do not choose to be gay Something biological happens that causes them to be gay (probably a genetic predisposition combined with environmental influences) If it happens biologically without humans direct engineeringthe changethen it is natural. You cannot argue against this because it is a fact.
Rob0_Jesus
That is a theory so far. We are not 100% sure that gay is natural or choice.
absolutley everything you can think of is natural.
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"] It exists in nature, so it is natural. Its a lot more natural than most aspects of most people's lives.sSubZerOo
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
Except they are between two consenting adults.. The others are not.. And to Peter, your point is a fallacy on a slippery slope.. We can just amount this kind of logic to any argument to try to make it seem wrong.. Father and daughter etc etc are considered forms of child abuse... Furthermore Human and animal intercourse is illegal because the animal does not have the ability to consent, its considered abuse. I find it really REALLY offensive that you are trying to comprae homosexuality with murder, incest, and beastiality.In what form?
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
Except they are between two consenting adults.. The others are not.. And to Peter, your point is a fallacy on a slippery slope.. We can just amount this kind of logic to any argument to try to make it seem wrong.. Father and daughter etc etc are considered forms of child abuse... Furthermore Human and animal intercourse is illegal because the animal does not have the ability to consent, its considered abuse. I find it really REALLY offensive that you are trying to comprae homosexuality with murder, incest, and beastiality.In what form? If the child is under age, often times when a relationship strikes up from family members.. There is a long history of child abuse..
It is natural because people do not choose to be gay Something biological happens that causes them to be gay (probably a genetic predisposition combined with environmental influences) If it happens biologically without humans direct engineeringthe changethen it is natural. You cannot argue against this because it is a fact.
Rob0_Jesus
That is a theory so far. We are not 100% sure that gay is natural or choice.
I honestly cannot see how it is possible for it to be a choice. A lot of my friends are gay and one of them hated himself all through highschool for being gay and tried as hard as he could to be straight. (overly masculine, highly homophobic, hit on girls all of the time etc)
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Except they are between two consenting adults.. The others are not.. And to Peter, your point is a fallacy on a slippery slope.. We can just amount this kind of logic to any argument to try to make it seem wrong.. Father and daughter etc etc are considered forms of child abuse... Furthermore Human and animal intercourse is illegal because the animal does not have the ability to consent, its considered abuse. I find it really REALLY offensive that you are trying to comprae homosexuality with murder, incest, and beastiality.sSubZerOo
In what form? If the child is under age, often times when a relationship strikes up from family members.. There is a long history of child abuse.. What if they are between two consenting adults, then what? Should it be allowed?
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]In what form?
If the child is under age, often times when a relationship strikes up from family members.. There is a long history of child abuse.. What if they are between two consenting adults, then what? Should it be allowed? Well yeah it should be. But yet again chacnes are there is a history of child abuse..
It exists in nature, so it is natural. Its a lot more natural than most aspects of most people's lives.Bourbons3
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
Except they are between two consenting adults.. The others are not.. And to Peter, your point is a fallacy on a slippery slope.. We can just amount this kind of logic to any argument to try to make it seem wrong.. Father and daughter etc etc are considered forms of child abuse... Furthermore Human and animal intercourse is illegal because the animal does not have the ability to consent, its considered abuse. I find it really REALLY offensive that you are trying to comprae homosexuality with murder, incest, and beastiality. What is necessarily bad about incest?
Same sex marriage or homosexuality is immoral and decadent. I despise any such behavioral instance. If I had the necessary power, I would persecute such decadence in the harshest way possible.
It is natural because people do not choose to be gay Something biological happens that causes them to be gay (probably a genetic predisposition combined with environmental influences) If it happens biologically without humans direct engineeringthe changethen it is natural. You cannot argue against this because it is a fact.
Rob0_Jesus
That is a theory so far. We are not 100% sure that gay is natural or choice.
I'm 100% sure. I wouldn't choose to put myself a step behind everyone else in life. Nobody would.
Same sex marriage or homosexuality is immoral and decadent. I despise any such behavioral instance. If I had the necessary power, I would persecute such decadence in the harshest way possible.
VMAN-Vercetti
I find your opinion on this matter far more immoral and offensive than homosexuality. Morals are funny like that.
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="dark-warmachine"]Quote For the Truth
Rob0_Jesus
It exists in nature, so it is natural. Its a lot more natural than most aspects of most people's lives.
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
MetalGear_Ninty
Except they are between two consenting adults.. The others are not.. And to Peter, your point is a fallacy on a slippery slope.. We can just amount this kind of logic to any argument to try to make it seem wrong.. Father and daughter etc etc are considered forms of child abuse... Furthermore Human and animal intercourse is illegal because the animal does not have the ability to consent, its considered abuse. I find it really REALLY offensive that you are trying to comprae homosexuality with murder, incest, and beastiality. What is necessarily bad about incest? Inbreeding, for one thing.
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
MetalGear_Ninty
Except they are between two consenting adults.. The others are not.. And to Peter, your point is a fallacy on a slippery slope.. We can just amount this kind of logic to any argument to try to make it seem wrong.. Father and daughter etc etc are considered forms of child abuse... Furthermore Human and animal intercourse is illegal because the animal does not have the ability to consent, its considered abuse. I find it really REALLY offensive that you are trying to comprae homosexuality with murder, incest, and beastiality. What is necessarily bad about incest? Incest the vast majority of instances are usually abusive relationships often times including child abuse.. There may be a select few, but by and large its a dysfunction in a family unit in which child services.. Cousins and such IDK.. (I would not consider cousins by marriage as incest).
It is natural because people do not choose to be gay Something biological happens that causes them to be gay (probably a genetic predisposition combined with environmental influences) If it happens biologically without humans direct engineeringthe changethen it is natural. You cannot argue against this because it is a fact.
Bourbons3
That is a theory so far. We are not 100% sure that gay is natural or choice.
I'm 100% sure. I wouldn't choose to put myself a step behind everyone else in life. Nobody would.
Some people are hard headed. Some people like to go against the norm. It is possible for it to be a choice. There are people in the world that go from gay to straight and vice versa.
It is natural because people do not choose to be gay Something biological happens that causes them to be gay (probably a genetic predisposition combined with environmental influences) If it happens biologically without humans direct engineeringthe changethen it is natural. You cannot argue against this because it is a fact.
Rob0_Jesus
That is a theory so far. We are not 100% sure that gay is natural or choice.
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"] It exists in nature, so it is natural. Its a lot more natural than most aspects of most people's lives.Teenaged
That is BS. Killing exists in nature. Should we all go around and kill each other? Incest exists in nature should we all go around and do it with our cousins? Throwing poop at other creatures exists in nature. Should we all fling poop at each other?
Does homosexual marriage cause death? :|
Homsexuality is not the same as incest.
Nor is throwing poop.
:roll:
Geee.....
I despise the "slippery slope" fallacy that people use, trying to compare homosexuality with incest, pedophilia, and bestiality.
That is a theory so far. We are not 100% sure that gay is natural or choice.
Rob0_Jesus
I'm 100% sure. I wouldn't choose to put myself a step behind everyone else in life. Nobody would.
Some people are hard headed. Some people like to go against the norm. It is possible for it to be a choice. There are people in the world that go from gay to straight and vice versa.
Thats called confusion. They dont have those shifts because they will it.
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"] I'm 100% sure. I wouldn't choose to put myself a step behind everyone else in life. Nobody would.Teenaged
Some people are hard headed. Some people like to go against the norm. It is possible for it to be a choice. There are people in the world that go from gay to straight and vice versa.
Thats called confusion. They dont have those shifts because they will it.
Can you choose to be homosexual?
Sure. I can go and kiss a guy if I want to. So are you saying bisexuals are confused?
If you find yourself in a position to contest my point of view than that only shows me that you lack faith. If you lack faith then I am afraid we do not share the same wavelength and thus the debate on this matter would prove irrelevant and useless as the possibility that you and I reach a compromise is low.
I honestly find it completely contradictory when people on the one-hand are rampantly against homophobia, yet in the same breath outright condemn incest. In both cases, homosexuality and incest, people for some reason feel this knee-jerk reaction of moral repugnance.
That is a theory so far. We are not 100% sure that gay is natural or choice.
Rob0_Jesus
I'm 100% sure. I wouldn't choose to put myself a step behind everyone else in life. Nobody would.
Some people are hard headed. Some people like to go against the norm. It is possible for it to be a choice. There are people in the world that go from gay to straight and vice versa.
No, it isn't a choice. There are some people who pretend to be gay for attention. But they're still straight. I can tell you beyond any shadow of a doubt, that homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you didn't choose to be heterosexual. It just happened.
[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] Except they are between two consenting adults.. The others are not.. And to Peter, your point is a fallacy on a slippery slope.. We can just amount this kind of logic to any argument to try to make it seem wrong.. Father and daughter etc etc are considered forms of child abuse... Furthermore Human and animal intercourse is illegal because the animal does not have the ability to consent, its considered abuse. I find it really REALLY offensive that you are trying to comprae homosexuality with murder, incest, and beastiality.sSubZerOo
What is necessarily bad about incest? Incest the vast majority of instances are usually abusive relationships often times including child abuse.. There may be a select few, but by and large its a dysfunction in a family unit in which child services.. Cousins and such IDK.. (I would not consider cousins by marriage as incest). But that doesn't have to be the case, hence the 'necessarily'.
If you find yourself in a position to contest my point of view than that only shows me that you lack faith. If you lack faith then I am afraid we do not share the same wavelength and thus the debate on this matter would prove irrelevant and useless as the possibility that you and I reach a compromise is low.VMAN-Vercetti
Facts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>faith. I say this as a god fearing christian. Homosexuality is not a choice and therefore is not morally wrong. Why would god punish people for something he did?
[QUOTE="Bourbons3"] I'm 100% sure. I wouldn't choose to put myself a step behind everyone else in life. Nobody would.Bourbons3
Some people are hard headed. Some people like to go against the norm. It is possible for it to be a choice. There are people in the world that go from gay to straight and vice versa.
No, it isn't a choice. There are some people who pretend to be gay for attention. But they're still straight. I can tell you beyond any shadow of a doubt, that homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you didn't choose to be heterosexual. It just happened.
So are you saying my friend was lieing to me? Are you saying they want to be gay for attention? Who are you to judge what is unkown?
Some people are hard headed. Some people like to go against the norm. It is possible for it to be a choice. There are people in the world that go from gay to straight and vice versa.
Rob0_Jesus
Thats called confusion. They dont have those shifts because they will it.
Can you choose to be homosexual?
Sure. I can go and kiss a guy if I want to. So are you saying bisexuals are confused?
That wont mean you're gay ;)
Gay also means that you are capable of loving the same sex.
Some people are hard headed. Some people like to go against the norm. It is possible for it to be a choice. There are people in the world that go from gay to straight and vice versa.
Rob0_Jesus
No, it isn't a choice. There are some people who pretend to be gay for attention. But they're still straight. I can tell you beyond any shadow of a doubt, that homosexuality is not a choice. Just like you didn't choose to be heterosexual. It just happened.
So are you saying my friend was lieing to me? Are you saying they want to be gay for attention? Who are you to judge what is unkown?
Your friend chose to be gay? I meant that some people experiment, an others say that they are looking for attention. And there are those who claim to be 'ex-gays'. Either they were never really gay or they've climbed back in to the closet.
[QUOTE="VMAN-Vercetti"]If you find yourself in a position to contest my point of view than that only shows me that you lack faith. If you lack faith then I am afraid we do not share the same wavelength and thus the debate on this matter would prove irrelevant and useless as the possibility that you and I reach a compromise is low.Guybrush_3
Facts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>faith. I say this as a god fearing christian. Homosexuality is not a choice and therefore is not morally wrong. Why would god punish people for something he did?
God would never create something that He deems decadent and unnatural in the first place. Saying it otherwise would mean that God is a hypocrite.
Same sex marriage or homosexuality is immoral and decadent. I despise any such behavioral instance. If I had the necessary power, I would persecute such decadence in the harshest way possible.
VMAN-Vercetti
Then I hope people like you never have such power.
[QUOTE="VMAN-Vercetti"]If you find yourself in a position to contest my point of view than that only shows me that you lack faith. If you lack faith then I am afraid we do not share the same wavelength and thus the debate on this matter would prove irrelevant and useless as the possibility that you and I reach a compromise is low.VMAN-Vercetti
Facts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>faith. I say this as a god fearing christian. Homosexuality is not a choice and therefore is not morally wrong. Why would god punish people for something he did?
God would never create something that He deems decadent and unnatural in the first place. Saying it otherwise would mean that God is a hypocrite.Ever heard of the dogma of the Fall of Man?
Yes thats right humanity as a whole is seen by God as decadent. ;)
Some people are hard headed. Some people like to go against the norm. It is possible for it to be a choice. There are people in the world that go from gay to straight and vice versa.
Rob0_Jesus
Thats called confusion. They dont have those shifts because they will it.
Can you choose to be homosexual?
Sure. I can go and kiss a guy if I want to. So are you saying bisexuals are confused?
That doesn't mean you'd be aroused. If you get aroused then you're gay/bi-sexual.
And people don't choose to get aroused...They're subconscious does.
Leviticus 20:13, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." I believe this says enough about the current topic. You are free to seek out your own answers further if you desire. I just hope that all of you people will see the truth before it is too late. Do not approve of this abomination...
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