Yeah, we are living in the last days.
The economy is becoming horrible
Do you believe we are living in the last days?
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I find King James only people odd... sorry if there are any out there... I personally like ESV the most for study though I often us NIV when mentioning scripture to others.
mindstorm
I use NIV to avoid major headaches in understanding some of the text.:P
[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]-sigh- no we're not living in the last days... guess what.. the bible is wrong. every generation manages to find stuff in the bible that they interpret to mean theirs is the last generation.. and they're always wrong. our generation is no different.Tjeremiah1988
did u read every post in this thread before posting?
nope.. i read the first and offered my opinion. i tend not to read through 4 pages of replies before answering... interpret that as you like.
Well the bible says that in the end times there would be:
false prophets (we have that)
wars and rumors of wars (we have that)
rise in earthquakes and natural disaters (we have that, they are 4 times more frequent now than 20 years ago)
famine (heading towards that)
rise in information (internet)
man being capable of destroying the world (nukes)
will be like the days of noah (deffinately, we have a huuuge rise in sinfulness in this generation)
So yeah I'm guessing we're close
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]I find King James only people odd... sorry if there are any out there... I personally like ESV the most for study though I often us NIV when mentioning scripture to others.
omfg_its_dally
I use NIV to avoid major headaches in understanding some of the text.:P
Which I do not blame you for. I do not like KJV as it honestly isn't the most accurate translation in a few circumstances and is difficult to read. It is very well written however and they did an amazing job translating the text based off of the few manuscripts they held.I like NIV for teaching others as it's a paraphrased edition which basically makes the text less literal but more understandable.
NASB and ESV are both good for deep and in-depth study as they are more literal and like the original text.
Btw, I've taken a year of biblical Hebrew to understand the original text better and plan to continue learning more in the future. I'm about to start taking a class in Koine Greek as well.
No. I have no reason to care about anything written in the book of Revelations. Shad0ki11Revelations is my favorite book of the bible
[QUOTE="omfg_its_dally"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]I find King James only people odd... sorry if there are any out there... I personally like ESV the most for study though I often us NIV when mentioning scripture to others.
mindstorm
I use NIV to avoid major headaches in understanding some of the text.:P
Which I do not blame you for. I do not like KJV as it honestly isn't the most accurate translation in a few circumstances and is difficult to read. It is very well written however and they did an amazing job translating the text based off of the few manuscripts they held.I like NIV for teaching others as it's a paraphrased edition which basically makes the text less literal but more understandable.
NASB and ESV are both good for deep and in-depth study as they are more literal and like the original text.
Btw, I've taken a year of biblical Hebrew to understand the original text better and plan to continue learning more in the future. I'm about to start taking a class in Koine Greek as well.
Woah, woah, woah you just fell from grace there bud, the King James Version is the word of god, all other bibles are distortions of the holy book.
http://www.thelionofjudah.org/whydowesupportkjv.htm
Mindstorm plz read, trust me I know your sincere, but your being led into a trap! There is only one bible, I am not trying to get on your nerves, just trying to inform you on your error.
But honestly, lets stop worrying about the end, it is gonna happen, we dont know when, but I will basically ignore it, I got too many things to do, besides putting through the burden of "the world is gonna end." But, for me it is a great thing to happen, maybe then I could swim like I always wanted to!
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Qooroo"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Qooroo"]To my knowledge, the Bible claims nothing more than to be given from the inspiration of God. Getting from that to 'The Bible is the word of God' is a bit of a leap.Qooroo
Not really... Ever read John chapter 1 for example? Places throughout scripture it speaks of God's Word and living by it.
John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
These are the only instances of the word 'word' appearing in James 1 in the KJV (which I picked mostly to avoid a KJO-based counterargument) and they make it pretty clear that God's Word is Christ, rather than the Bible.
2 Timothy 3:16 states, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."
Joshua 1:8 also states, "Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful." That's not saying you'll be rich and whatnot by doing so btw. The biblical view of prosperity and success is a little different than that.
Proverbs 30:5 also says, "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him."
I find King James only people odd... sorry if there are any out there... I personally like ESV the most for study though I often us NIV when mentioning scripture to others.
None of which, y'know, says that The Bible is God's word. Unless you interpret God-breathed as meaning it is God's word, or you interpret Book of Law as Book of God's Word, neither of which is anything more than speculation without other textual evidence supporting it.
I'll give you another reference then. Jeremiah 30:2 states, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you." Basically, God told Jeremiah to write these words and is therefore the Word of God. There are many references to the writers of the books of the Bible and they often mention giving it to God or writing what God had told them.
The Word of God is spoken of specifically in how to treat it like Deut. 4:2 says, "Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you."
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="omfg_its_dally"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]I find King James only people odd... sorry if there are any out there... I personally like ESV the most for study though I often us NIV when mentioning scripture to others.
SegaGenesisfan
I use NIV to avoid major headaches in understanding some of the text.:P
Which I do not blame you for. I do not like KJV as it honestly isn't the most accurate translation in a few circumstances and is difficult to read. It is very well written however and they did an amazing job translating the text based off of the few manuscripts they held.I like NIV for teaching others as it's a paraphrased edition which basically makes the text less literal but more understandable.
NASB and ESV are both good for deep and in-depth study as they are more literal and like the original text.
Btw, I've taken a year of biblical Hebrew to understand the original text better and plan to continue learning more in the future. I'm about to start taking a class in Koine Greek as well.
Woah, woah, woah you just fell from grace there bud, the King James Version is the word of god, all other bibles are distortions of the holy book.
http://www.thelionofjudah.org/whydowesupportkjv.htm
Mindstorm plz read, trust me I know your sincere, but your being led into a trap! There is only one bible, I am not trying to get on your nerves, just trying to inform you on your error.
But honestly, lets stop worrying about the end, it is gonna happen, we dont know when, but I will basically ignore it, I got too many things to do, besides putting through the burden of "the world is gonna end." But, for me it is a great thing to happen, maybe then I could swim like I always wanted to!
I'm not trying to put down what you believe but I believe the texts in the original languages to be the standard in which the translations are to be undestood. I do not think of the KJV to not be divine but I do not put it on a pedestal more than any other translation.
Woah, woah, woah you just fell from grace there bud, the King James Version is the word of god, all other bibles are distortions of the holy book.
http://www.thelionofjudah.org/whydowesupportkjv.htm
Mindstorm plz read, trust me I know your sincere, but your being led into a trap! There is only one bible, I am not trying to get on your nerves, just trying to inform you on your error.
But honestly, lets stop worrying about the end, it is gonna happen, we dont know when, but I will basically ignore it, I got too many things to do, besides putting through the burden of "the world is gonna end." But, for me it is a great thing to happen, maybe then I could swim like I always wanted to!
SegaGenesisfan
Er, wouldn't the version of the Bible in the original language at the time of the writing of the Old and New Testaments be the "one true" version if such a thing exists? English kind of didn't exist when Jesus was around on Earth.
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]I'll give you another reference then. Jeremiah 30:2 states, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you." Basically, God told Jeremiah to write these words and is therefore the Word of God. There are many references to the writers of the books of the Bible and they often mention giving it to God or writing what God had told them.The Word of God is spoken of specifically in how to treat it like Deut. 4:2 says, "Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you."
Qooroo
I will give you that that is actually somewhat compelling evidence (for the Bible claiming to be the word of God), something Blackregiment (the last person I had this debate with couldn't provide). HOWEVER, you've still got a few problems running rampant: Firstly, there's no evidence that the writers of the Bible obeyed God's commands (either intentionally or unintentionally). Secondly (well, I guess this is kind of an extension of the first, but I think it's significant enough to adress seperately), there's no evidence as to which segments of the Bible were dictated by God and which weren't, other than what has survived. Perhaps certain books were added or omitted. To think of it a different way: God commands a whole mess of other things that humans have done a rather dubious job of actually obeying (starting with the command to not eat a certain fruit) so it's a stretch to assume that we happened to actually obey this one.
Note that I'm not trying to argue against the idea that the Bible (in some form or another) was given by inspiration of God, or that the essential messages of the religion have been sustained. I'm only opposed to the theory that anything we have currently is literally word for word what God wants us to have. It's way, way too far-fetched.
You say there is no evidence that the writers of the Bible obeyed God's command but I see otherwise. Just to sight one example is Jesus quoting the Old Testament as the Word of God. Also, if any material that was to be considered in the New Testament contridicted the Old Testament or did not carry the same themes then it would not be allowed (that's only one of many criteria needed to be considered canon btw).
It is purhaps possible that there are texts that have not survived that can be considered God's Word. One example being times in the New Testament that Jesus is quoted but those quotes are not in the Gospels. It is entirely possible some things written in the First Century could have been considered the Word of God but none of them survived time. What we have is what we have. I do not believe there were books of the Bible that were intended to be included but were not however.
I do not believe anything was added either. In the book of Revelation it is warned to not add or take away from the Word and I believe they kept to that command. One reason behind this is that people who knew Jesus would not have stood for something unlike what Jesus said or taught. An example of that is Martin Luther King Jr. If we were told he said he was the Messiah we would know different due to people still being alive who knew him and due to records we have of him. The same thing would have happened to Jesus as all of the books included in the New Testament were written by people who lived during the time of Jesus.
If that isn't sufficient evidence for you then let me say I have faith that the Bible is the Word of God and has not had anything changed over the last 2000 years for the New Testament and longer for the Old Testament. I have faith that God's Word has not been changed based on not only my beliefs in what the Bible says but historical evidence.
who cares...im just gonna live life like i would anyways...because if it doesnt happen and i do stupid stuff then im gonna regret it. So im just gonna do what i always doArmoredAshesThis
[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Qooroo"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]I'll give you another reference then. Jeremiah 30:2 states, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you." Basically, God told Jeremiah to write these words and is therefore the Word of God. There are many references to the writers of the books of the Bible and they often mention giving it to God or writing what God had told them.The Word of God is spoken of specifically in how to treat it like Deut. 4:2 says, "Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you."
Qooroo
I will give you that that is actually somewhat compelling evidence (for the Bible claiming to be the word of God), something Blackregiment (the last person I had this debate with couldn't provide). HOWEVER, you've still got a few problems running rampant: Firstly, there's no evidence that the writers of the Bible obeyed God's commands (either intentionally or unintentionally). Secondly (well, I guess this is kind of an extension of the first, but I think it's significant enough to adress seperately), there's no evidence as to which segments of the Bible were dictated by God and which weren't, other than what has survived. Perhaps certain books were added or omitted. To think of it a different way: God commands a whole mess of other things that humans have done a rather dubious job of actually obeying (starting with the command to not eat a certain fruit) so it's a stretch to assume that we happened to actually obey this one.
Note that I'm not trying to argue against the idea that the Bible (in some form or another) was given by inspiration of God, or that the essential messages of the religion have been sustained. I'm only opposed to the theory that anything we have currently is literally word for word what God wants us to have. It's way, way too far-fetched.
You say there is no evidence that the writers of the Bible obeyed God's command but I see otherwise. Just to sight one example is Jesus quoting the Old Testament as the Word of God. Also, if any material that was to be considered in the New Testament contridicted the Old Testament or did not carry the same themes then it would not be allowed (that's only one of many criteria needed to be considered canon btw).
It is purhaps possible that there are texts that have not survived that can be considered God's Word. One example being times in the New Testament that Jesus is quoted but those quotes are not in the Gospels. It is entirely possible some things written in the First Century could have been considered the Word of God but none of them survived time. What we have is what we have. I do not believe there were books of the Bible that were intended to be included but were not however.
I do not believe anything was added either. In the book of Revelation it is warned to not add or take away from the Word and I believe they kept to that command. One reason behind this is that people who knew Jesus would not have stood for something unlike what Jesus said or taught. An example of that is Martin Luther King Jr. If we were told he said he was the Messiah we would know different due to people still being alive who knew him and due to records we have of him. The same thing would have happened to Jesus as all of the books included in the New Testament were written by people who lived during the time of Jesus.
If that isn't sufficient evidence for you then let me say I have faith that the Bible is the Word of God and has not had anything changed over the last 2000 years for the New Testament and longer for the Old Testament. I have faith that God's Word has not been changed based on not only my beliefs in what the Bible says but historical evidence.
A quote within the same work is hardly evidence of its own validity (after all, a translator could easily match the two). Beyond that, you assume that everyone who was involved in the writing/compilation of the Bible knew Jesus, which definately isn't the case. Also, it's somewhat unreasonable to assume that even the people who knew Jesus personally would acted perfectly in line with his desires. As evidence, see Judas.
However, I respect your faith and what you choose to believe, though I disagree with your conclusions, and I'm sure you will understand you faith, though perfectly valid for yourself, is lacking as evidence to convince others. Beyond that, I hope your faith leads you (and your eventual flock...you have expressed interest in the ministry, I believe?) to a greater spiritual fulfilment and personal happiness, and not to the dark, dark, dark places that Blind Faith can take you (and I sincerely hope you don't think that was snarky...I strongly encourage everyone to follow their own spiritual path, and I honestly respect the intelligence and passion you display).
I'm not saying I do not see your point, I understand why you believe what you do. I however do not hold your same position. I do not deny the people around Jesus were not perfect but I do believe they held each other accountable to writing the truth for future generations not trying to purposely lead them astray.
Btw, I do debate and discuss topics like this a lot on here but I do realize that is not what is important but spreading the love of Christ. I am indeed planning on going into the ministry as you say. I do not think of my faith as a blind faith as you mention and do not understand those who do hold blind faiths... in anything, not just Christianity.
There weren't nuclear weapons 1000 years agoSilenthps
But there was the Black Plague and the Roman Catholic Church commanding the armies of Europe. It is better to remain optimistic that the human race has come far enough to sort out it's differences rationally and without violence than to dread the end at the hands of the princess.
There were much more severe conflicts in the Middle East 1000 years ago... why didn't it end then like the Bible predicted?foxhound_fox
You havn't read the Bible have you? It's not just "In the end there will be great disturbances in the Middle East" In fact in all the signs Jesus listed he never even depicted the Middle East specifically. He gave specific signs on which to look out for, and not all of them have been fufilled yet. Read this if you want to see the true signs on the end of the world, instead of just "conflicts in the middle east" http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/endtimes.php
You havn't read the Bible have you? It's not just "In the end there will be great disturbances in the Middle East" In fact in all the signs Jesus listed he never even depicted the Middle East specifically. He gave specific signs on which to look out for, and not all of them have been fufilled yet. Read this if you want to see the true signs on the end of the world, instead of just "conflicts in the middle east" http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/endtimes.phpdackchaar
Thanks but I prefer science textbooks that use facts to back up their statements. Basing a fear of the end of the world off of a religious text written thousands of years ago doesn't seem very wise to me.
Plus, the world IS going to end... in about 4-5 billion years when the Sun goes Red Giant and swallows up Mercury, Venus and the Earth with it. But it would be a very difficult task to get the WORLD to end before then, even by human hands.
[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"][QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="omfg_its_dally"][QUOTE="mindstorm"]I find King James only people odd... sorry if there are any out there... I personally like ESV the most for study though I often us NIV when mentioning scripture to others.
mindstorm
I use NIV to avoid major headaches in understanding some of the text.:P
Which I do not blame you for. I do not like KJV as it honestly isn't the most accurate translation in a few circumstances and is difficult to read. It is very well written however and they did an amazing job translating the text based off of the few manuscripts they held.I like NIV for teaching others as it's a paraphrased edition which basically makes the text less literal but more understandable.
NASB and ESV are both good for deep and in-depth study as they are more literal and like the original text.
Btw, I've taken a year of biblical Hebrew to understand the original text better and plan to continue learning more in the future. I'm about to start taking a class in Koine Greek as well.
Woah, woah, woah you just fell from grace there bud, the King James Version is the word of god, all other bibles are distortions of the holy book.
http://www.thelionofjudah.org/whydowesupportkjv.htm
Mindstorm plz read, trust me I know your sincere, but your being led into a trap! There is only one bible, I am not trying to get on your nerves, just trying to inform you on your error.
But honestly, lets stop worrying about the end, it is gonna happen, we dont know when, but I will basically ignore it, I got too many things to do, besides putting through the burden of "the world is gonna end." But, for me it is a great thing to happen, maybe then I could swim like I always wanted to!
I'm not trying to put down what you believe but I believe the texts in the original languages to be the standard in which the translations are to be undestood. I do not think of the KJV to not be divine but I do not put it on a pedestal more than any other translation.
No the other translations are altering the word of god, see the last page of revelation, people who try to change the word of god.... God does not like poeple who try to change it. The thing is all the other bibles have a different god, who says different things. The reason the KJB is the only acceptible bible is because it is the scriptures, exactly how god meant to say this, or that, but other translations change what he says. Those are satans bible, honestly, you should know better. You can't serve two masters, most likely you will hate one, like the other, you can't have satans book, AND gods book together. Honestly just throw away the other bible translations like I did, just stick to one bible, it is simpler.
Just looking out for ya ;) When people try to translate the text, they change what god said.
[QUOTE="dackchaar"]You havn't read the Bible have you? It's not just "In the end there will be great disturbances in the Middle East" In fact in all the signs Jesus listed he never even depicted the Middle East specifically. He gave specific signs on which to look out for, and not all of them have been fufilled yet. Read this if you want to see the true signs on the end of the world, instead of just "conflicts in the middle east" http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/endtimes.phpfoxhound_fox
Thanks but I prefer science textbooks that use facts to back up their statements. Basing a fear of the end of the world off of a religious text written thousands of years ago doesn't seem very wise to me.
Plus, the world IS going to end... in about 4-5 billion years when the Sun goes Red Giant and swallows up Mercury, Venus and the Earth with it. But it would be a very difficult task to get the WORLD to end before then, even by human hands.
I hate to say this, but even scientist are sayying the world is gonna end in 2012, just about everyone, no seriously I hate to say that. This is the last time I ever talk about this.
I hate to say this, but even scientist are sayying the world is gonna end in 2012, just about everyone, no seriously I hate to say that. This is the last time I ever talk about this. SegaGenesisfan
Pseudo-science isn't science.
[QUOTE="dackchaar"]You havn't read the Bible have you? It's not just "In the end there will be great disturbances in the Middle East" In fact in all the signs Jesus listed he never even depicted the Middle East specifically. He gave specific signs on which to look out for, and not all of them have been fufilled yet. Read this if you want to see the true signs on the end of the world, instead of just "conflicts in the middle east" http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/endtimes.phpfoxhound_fox
Thanks but I prefer science textbooks that use facts to back up their statements. Basing a fear of the end of the world off of a religious text written thousands of years ago doesn't seem very wise to me.
Plus, the world IS going to end... in about 4-5 billion years when the Sun goes Red Giant and swallows up Mercury, Venus and the Earth with it. But it would be a very difficult task to get the WORLD to end before then, even by human hands.
Won't even read it eh? And people say we are ignorant....There is proof on that page if you would read it. Also who said I was fearing it? I'm not fearing it at all. Why would I be afraid to go live in a perfect place with a perfect being? Although I can see why you should be afraid. And no, earth will never end.
[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]I hate to say this, but even scientist are sayying the world is gonna end in 2012, just about everyone, no seriously I hate to say that. This is the last time I ever talk about this. foxhound_fox
Pseudo-science isn't science. I don't believe that the end will be 2012, but who gives you the right to determine what is real science and pseudo science. If you say because there are no facts supporting it then well we might aswell call evolution pseudo science considering it's only a hypothesis, people jsut believe it to be real because it seems to have a lot of proofs behind it, yet there are no 100% proofs.
No the other translations are altering the word of god, see the last page of revelation, people who try to change the word of god.... God does not like poeple who try to change it. The thing is all the other bibles have a different god, who says different things. The reason the KJB is the only acceptible bible is because it is the scriptures, exactly how god meant to say this, or that, but other translations change what he says. Those are satans bible, honestly, you should know better. You can't serve two masters, most likely you will hate one, like the other, you can't have satans book, AND gods book together. Honestly just throw away the other bible translations like I did, just stick to one bible, it is simpler.
Just looking out for ya ;) When people try to translate the text, they change what god said.
SegaGenesisfan
For a rather more objective look at the debate, you can start here.
But beyond all that, if you want a good example of the problems with the King James Version of the Bible, here's a quick question for you: what does the Shakespearean verse mean in which Juliet asks, "Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?"
What happens of human beings leave earth and colonize another planet, and then this "end of days" occurs? If there are no humans left on earth, will the Bible's predictions even mean anything?
Just some food for thought.
Anyways,
the Bible can be so pessimistic! You should never hope for the end of the world, that's very selfish! You may be christian, but most of the world is not. If your god comes down and takes you up to heaven and brutally slaughters everybody else, then what? Think of the children, man! ;)
[QUOTE="4seal"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]In the last book of the bible it talks about rumors of war and wars fought in the Middle East, conflicts in Russia and such. Things like this are happening now. It also mentions how the antichrist will form in...Russia. Do you believe in what the last book of the bible saids? I mean, it was written thousands of years ago and yet, its very accurate of what is happening now.chester706
Where the heck does it say the anti christ is from Russia?
Ya I never heard of that. But I dont believe we are. Wars happen all the time. I believe in the bible and I am Catholic but I dont think that 2012 is true at all.2012 has nothing to do with the bible, its just some mayan calender that was formed thousands of years ago that said that the world is gonna end at 2012....wich is a really unreliable source
Won't even read it eh? And people say we are ignorant....There is proof on that page if you would read it. Also who said I was fearing it? I'm not fearing it at all. Why would I be afraid to go live in a perfect place with a perfect being? Although I can see why you should be afraid. And no, earth will never end. dackchaar
I don't believe that the end will be 2012, but who gives you the right to determine what is real science and pseudo science. If you say because there are no facts supporting it then well we might aswell call evolution pseudo science considering it's only a hypothesis, people jsut believe it to be real because it seems to have a lot of proofs behind it, yet there are no 100% proofs.dackchaar
Maybe you should do some reading too? It seems like you've never picked up a biology textbook in your life. At least you didn't repeat the same mistake that most people ignorant of evolution do, at least you went one step further and called it a "hypothesis" and not a "non-scientifc theory."
Nothing can be proven 100%, not even God. I am not even going to try responding to this, it would be a waste of my time. Go and read the Wikipedia article on evolution and then come back and try again... heck, go and look up those words you misused in a dictionary and come back and try again.
[QUOTE="chester706"][QUOTE="4seal"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]In the last book of the bible it talks about rumors of war and wars fought in the Middle East, conflicts in Russia and such. Things like this are happening now. It also mentions how the antichrist will form in...Russia. Do you believe in what the last book of the bible saids? I mean, it was written thousands of years ago and yet, its very accurate of what is happening now.TheBeast789
Where the heck does it say the anti christ is from Russia?
Ya I never heard of that. But I dont believe we are. Wars happen all the time. I believe in the bible and I am Catholic but I dont think that 2012 is true at all.2012 has nothing to do with the bible, its just some mayan calender that was formed thousands of years ago that said that the world is gonna end at 2012....wich is a really unreliable source
Not to mention it actually completely contradicts the Bible verse that no man knows the end of time.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]I hate to say this, but even scientist are sayying the world is gonna end in 2012, just about everyone, no seriously I hate to say that. This is the last time I ever talk about this. dackchaar
Pseudo-science isn't science. I don't believe that the end will be 2012, but who gives you the right to determine what is real science and pseudo science. If you say because there are no facts supporting it then well we might aswell call evolution pseudo science considering it's only a hypothesis, people jsut believe it to be real because it seems to have a lot of proofs behind it, yet there are no 100% proofs.
Lmao, oh man, thats gold right there.
'Considering its only a hypothesis' - wrong, its a theory, the highest level of recognition any form of science can be given.
You want absolute proofs? Sorry, but your going to have to put your jesus-goggles back on if you want absolute proofs, because sadly they DONT EXIST.
the car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheel
and the sewers are all muddied with a thousand lonely suicides
and a dark wind blows
the government is corrupt
and we're on so many drugs
with the radio on and the curtains drawn
we're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine
and the machine is bleeding to death
the sun has fallen down
and the billboards are all leering
and the flags are all dead at the top of their poles
it went like this:
the buildings tumbled in on themselves
mothers clutching babies picked through the rubble
and pulled out their hair
the skyline was beautiful on fire
all twisted metal stretching upwards
everything washed in a thin orange haze
i said: "kiss me, you're beautiful -
these are truly the last days"
you grabbed my hand and we fell into it
like a daydream or a fever
we woke up one morning and fell a little further down -
for sure it's the valley of death
i open up my wallet
and it's full of blood
[QUOTE="dackchaar"]Won't even read it eh? And people say we are ignorant....There is proof on that page if you would read it. Also who said I was fearing it? I'm not fearing it at all. Why would I be afraid to go live in a perfect place with a perfect being? Although I can see why you should be afraid. And no, earth will never end. foxhound_fox
I don't believe that the end will be 2012, but who gives you the right to determine what is real science and pseudo science. If you say because there are no facts supporting it then well we might aswell call evolution pseudo science considering it's only a hypothesis, people jsut believe it to be real because it seems to have a lot of proofs behind it, yet there are no 100% proofs.dackchaar
Maybe you should do some reading too? It seems like you've never picked up a biology textbook in your life. At least you didn't repeat the same mistake that most people ignorant of evolution do, at least you went one step further and called it a "hypothesis" and not a "non-scientifc theory."
Nothing can be proven 100%, not even God. I am not even going to try responding to this, it would be a waste of my time. Go and read the Wikipedia article on evolution and then come back and try again... heck, go and look up those words you misused in a dictionary and come back and try again.
I'm only 16, so you can assume that I havn't had too deep of science teachings (Just highschool level,and not even all of high school level stuff). But I never said you should go read some textbooks, I think you should go read my link yes, but it's not because I think you are stupid, I just want you to compare for yourself the prophecies and the actual happenings. Obviouslly nothing can be proven 100% (like you said), but they are sure convincing. And convincing might not make it true, but convincing seems to have made evolution a scientific fact. Also I can't tell if you are mocking my calling evolution a hypothesis or not? And my use of the word ignorant was correct (I assume you meant that, you underlined it). Also you never told me why you had the right to calling those thoughts pseudo science or anyone for that matter, you just seemed to avoid the question and insult my thoughts on evolution/spelling or misuse of a word (I didn't find a misuse though)
[QUOTE="dackchaar"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]I hate to say this, but even scientist are sayying the world is gonna end in 2012, just about everyone, no seriously I hate to say that. This is the last time I ever talk about this. RKfromDownunder
Pseudo-science isn't science. I don't believe that the end will be 2012, but who gives you the right to determine what is real science and pseudo science. If you say because there are no facts supporting it then well we might aswell call evolution pseudo science considering it's only a hypothesis, people jsut believe it to be real because it seems to have a lot of proofs behind it, yet there are no 100% proofs.
Lmao, oh man, thats gold right there.
'Considering its only a hypothesis' - wrong, its a theory, the highest level of recognition any form of science can be given.
You want absolute proofs? Sorry, but your going to have to put your jesus-goggles back on if you want absolute proofs, because sadly they DONT EXIST.
It is a hypothesis, don't believe me, go look up the meaning of hypothesis. Also I don't want absolute proof, but I was pointing out that nothing has absolute proof, so why is evolution considered proof yet the thoughts of this "pseudo-science" not? It might have more supporting proof that evolution, but that doesn't make evolution true or that false.
There's been war in the Middle East for quite some time. That's not something to worry about.Megaritz
but this just isnt it when the bible talks about the last days.
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