Do you consider **** unnatural?

I do... First i would like to say that i don't condemn homosexuality nor do i have have anything against homosexuals. The definition of natural is a broad one, i researched it and i found so many different definitons, but we can define it as something that occurs in nature, so by that homosexuality is natural. I find this to be quite wrong as nature is everything around us and according to that definiton everything that happens in nature is actually natural.

I see homosexuality as anomaly rather than a natural thing. The anus is not a sex organ, you can "refute" that by saying "well neither is the mouth" and i'll have to agree with you on that, by that theory oral sex too is unnatural but i'm not trying to question the morality and legality of homosexuality (it rhymes) here.

Another argument for homosexuality is that we see homosexual behaviour in animals too, not just in humans. But so far only about 400 species have been documented to display homosexual behaviour. But that doesn't change the fact that there are over a million documented species (with still more being discovered every year). If it was natural everyone would be doing it, well i don't mean everyone, but there would homosexuals in every species. So in my opinion, that's what homosexuality is. An anomaly. The only argument i could think against this is that anomalies are perhaps natural occurences?!

And before you start accusing me of being a homophobe or a closeted homosexual, no i am not. And like i said, i don't condemn homosexuality.

Any thoughts on this?

Homosexuality unnatural? I saw two male dogs doing it up the butt before so if humans aren't the only species doing it then I'd imagine it's more natural then people would like to think.

Edit: Why is gamespot censoring the word homosexuality?!Blaminator1221

Gays are less unnatural than severe obesity. I've never seen an animal in the wild that's a couple times what it should be in body weight.XilePrincess

If it was natural everyone would be doing it,

Blaminator1221

[spoiler] I know you further clarified that statement but that was so funny. [/spoiler]

There is no definition of "unnatural" that would not either make homosexuality natural or make left-handed people similarly unnatural.

Solar eclipses are anomalies and unnatural.

What is OT's obsession with homosexuality and religion?

Solar eclipses are anomalies and unnatural.

coolbeans90

what else is unatural, supernovas? how about asteroids?

What is OT's obsession with homosexuality and religion?

Zaibach

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Solar eclipses are anomalies and unnatural.

Zaibach

what else is unatural, supernovas? how about asteroids?

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Solar eclipses are anomalies and unnatural.

Zaibach

what else is unatural, supernovas? how about asteroids?

What? Why would I think that? Supernovas are pretty damn common. More common than people if I recall correctly. Asteroids are probably the same story. Very natural.

Homosexuality unnatural? I saw two male dogs doing it up the butt before so if humans aren't the only species doing it then I'd imagine it's more natural then people would like to think.

XileLord

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"]As to the topic at hand, I would say that the word "unnatural" carries far more negative connotations than "less common". By definition if something is an inborn trait, it is a natural one. Red hair is less common than brown hair but it is not unnatural.Blaminator1221

What's the natural purpose of left-handedness?

If its not natural then what is it? evil spirits?

Whatever is natural or not is irrelevant. Making conclusions base on it is a appeal to naturalistic fallacy

Red hair and left-handedness are psychical traits and preferences... What i mean is: What is the natural purpose of same gender sex?Blaminator1221

Really now?

If its not natural then what is it? evil spirits?

toast_burner

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If its not natural then what is it? evil spirits?

xaos

Red hair and left-handedness are psychical traits and preferences... What i mean is: What is the natural purpose of same gender sex?Blaminator1221

Your insistence on separating homosexuality from apparently every single other trait in a human being is baffling and baseless, and makes your question moot.

[QUOTE="Blaminator1221"]Red hair and left-handedness are psychical traits and preferences... What i mean is: What is the natural purpose of same gender sex?GabuEx

Your insistence on separating homosexuality from apparently every single other trait in a human being is baffling and baseless, and makes your question moot.

[QUOTE="Blaminator1221"]Red hair and left-handedness are psychical traits and preferences... What i mean is: What is the natural purpose of same gender sex?Teenaged

Really now?

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Solar eclipses are anomalies and unnatural.

Blaminator1221

what else is unatural, supernovas? how about asteroids?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Blaminator1221"]Red hair and left-handedness are psychical traits and preferences... What i mean is: What is the natural purpose of same gender sex?Blaminator1221

Really now?

[QUOTE="Blaminator1221"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]They are preferences?

Really now?

nocoolnamejim

Well technically speaking they're not entirely genetic (well, red hair is). Monozygotic twins are more likely, but not guaranteed, to both be gay if one is gay I believe the same is true of left-handed people. That's not to say that they're choices akin to what clothes one wears in a day; there are fundamental structural differences in the brains of gay people and straight people. The other half of the equation is probably some extremely early environmental factors that affect brain development.

Red hair and left-handedness are psychical traits and preferences... What i mean is: What is the natural purpose of same gender sex?Blaminator1221

It seems to me that you're basing your argument more on homosexuality being un common than it being unnatural. They're plenty of human characteristics that one could list as uncommon, but not unnatural. What about someone who is 6' 6. Someone that tall is uncommon, but it's not unnatural. Then you could get into the realm of genetic defects, they're unfortunate, many are un common, but are they really unnatural? People and animals of all species are sometimes born with them so it seems by your definition that they are in fact natural (I'm not saying they aren't).

Red hair and left-handedness are psychical traits and preferences... What i mean is: What is the natural purpose of same gender sex?Blaminator1221

I'm not sure you answered what the purpose of red hair and left-handedness with this post, but isn't homosexuality also a trait?

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Blaminator1221"] It's actually just a trait not a preference, sorry, bad choice of words... english is not my first language :)

GabuEx

Well technically speaking they're not entirely genetic (well, red hair is). Monozygotic twins are more likely, but not guaranteed, to both be gay if one is gay I believe the same is true of left-handed people. That's not to say that they're choices akin to what clothes one wears in a day; there are fundamental structural differences in the brains of gay people and straight people. The other half of the equation is probably some extremely early environmental factors that affect brain development.

i didn't read what you wrote but i had a homosexual over here last week and i was just talking to him on facebook.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] You're missing the point here. Homosexuality, red hair, and lefthandedness are ALL traits that just happen to be less common genetically than others. If you are going to declare homosexuality unnatural, then you also need to declare the other two unnatural. Rarity is not proof of something being unnatural.nocoolnamejim

Well technically speaking they're not entirely genetic (well, red hair is). Monozygotic twins are more likely, but not guaranteed, to both be gay if one is gay I believe the same is true of left-handed people. That's not to say that they're choices akin to what clothes one wears in a day; there are fundamental structural differences in the brains of gay people and straight people. The other half of the equation is probably some extremely early environmental factors that affect brain development.

Not disputing that, just pre-rebutting a particular point that would've been an easy target. :P

If you consider homosexuality unnatural than you don't know what the word natural means. As occuring in nature, which homosexuality does. Thus it cannot be unnatural.

Gays are less unnatural than severe obesity. I've never seen an animal in the wild that's a couple times what it should be in body weight.XilePrincess

I haven't found any definition of natural which would not encompass homosexuality.