Do you doubt that your God exists?

There are people who don't believe gravity exists.;) The point of that was to show that nothing is "proven." Not gravity, not evolution, nothing. Unless you count mathematics.

Some fundies change.;) The only reason I asked was because I know that old habits die hard. And it would make you make more sense.

Dracargen

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

We all do, because we all experience it. What was the point of that? :?

No I was not a "fundie". If I was, wouldn't I still be? Would a fundie be open to the possibility of god not existing to begin with? Can you guys come up with better questions?

swizz-the-gamer

There are people who don't believe gravity exists.;) The point of that was to show that nothing is "proven." Not gravity, not evolution, nothing. Unless you count mathematics.

Some fundies change.;) The only reason I asked was because I know that old habits die hard. And it would make you make more sense.

Awesome.:|

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

There are people who don't believe gravity exists.;) The point of that was to show that nothing is "proven." Not gravity, not evolution, nothing. Unless you count mathematics.

Some fundies change.;) The only reason I asked was because I know that old habits die hard. And it would make you make more sense.

LJS9502_basic

And his childish name-calling, and his fourth grade knowledge of Christianity, and his silly debating, and his ridiculous generalisations. . . . .

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Deity_Slapper"]

We all do, because we all experience it. What was the point of that? :?

No I was not a "fundie". If I was, wouldn't I still be? Would a fundie be open to the possibility of god not existing to begin with? Can you guys come up with better questions?

Dracargen

There are people who don't believe gravity exists.;) The point of that was to show that nothing is "proven." Not gravity, not evolution, nothing. Unless you count mathematics.

Some fundies change.;) The only reason I asked was because I know that old habits die hard. And it would make you make more sense.

Awesome.:|

Thought I would just inform you :lol:swizz-the-gamer

If anyone religious DOESN'T doubt that god exists, they are not a rational thinking individual because there is no proof that their god exist.Rocky32189

And his childish name-calling, and his fourth grade knowledge of Christianity, and his silly debating, and his ridiculous generalisations. . . . .

Dracargen

My hair is brownswizz-the-gamer

My hair is brownswizz-the-gamer

See, now you're giving me interesting information.

Enough of this tom foolery! I will throw my input in. I am a good person thus I deserve to go to heaven if it exists.swizz-the-gamer

Well, here's hoping God conforms to the opinion of one of His creations.:D

Enough of this tom foolery! I will throw my input in. I am a good person thus I deserve to go to heaven if it exists.swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Enough of this tom foolery! I will throw my input in. I am a good person thus I deserve to go to heaven if it exists.Dracargen

Well, here's hoping God conforms to the opinion of one of His creations.:D

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Enough of this tom foolery! I will throw my input in. I am a good person thus I deserve to go to heaven if it exists.swizz-the-gamer

Well, here's hoping God conforms to the opinion of one of His creations.:D

Nah. God is God. It really doesn't matter what my opinion of Him is.

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Enough of this tom foolery! I will throw my input in. I am a good person thus I deserve to go to heaven if it exists.Dracargen

Well, here's hoping God conforms to the opinion of one of His creations.:D

Nah. God is God. It really doesn't matter what my opinion of Him is.

Oh well. I think we waste to much time debating this on gamespot.swizz-the-gamer

Oh well. I think we waste to much time debating this on gamespot.swizz-the-gamer

You're absolutely right.

We should move this to TheologyWeb, where people actually know what they're talking about (occasionally).:D

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Oh well. I think we waste to much time debating this on gamespot.Dracargen

You're absolutely right.

We should move this to TheologyWeb, where people actually know what they're talking about (occasionally).:D

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Oh well. I think we waste to much time debating this on gamespot.Dracargen

You're absolutely right.

We should move this to TheologyWeb, where people actually know what they're talking about (occasionally).:D

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Oh well. I think we waste to much time debating this on gamespot.swizz-the-gamer

You're absolutely right.

We should move this to TheologyWeb, where people actually know what they're talking about (occasionally).:D

It's set up with a bunch of forums, named after campus areas. Each forum is used for a specific type of discussion: there is a natural science forum, a philosophy forum (though I've heard that one is a little bad compared to others) and many others. There's a forum for atheists only. . . .and for theists only, and for liberal Christians only, and so on. There are forums for formal debates as well, with extremely long posts made by very smart users. Most of the community is great, but there's a nut here and there.

Check it out if you'd like: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Oh well. I think we waste to much time debating this on gamespot.LJS9502_basic

You're absolutely right.

We should move this to TheologyWeb, where people actually know what they're talking about (occasionally).:D

Actually, I'm trying to set up an appointment between him and one of the smartest Christian users there. But I need the other guy's permission first.

Actually, I'm trying to set up an appointment between him and one of the smartest Christian users there. But I need the other guy's permission first.

Dracargen

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

Actually, I'm trying to set up an appointment between him and one of the smartest Christian users there. But I need the other guy's permission first.

LJS9502_basic

Yeah, I expect an answer somewhere along those lines. That's why I have other plans in store if he rejects.:twisted:

Signing up now... What's a good name :lol:swizz-the-gamer

Um. . . .Patty McLeprachaun?

Signing up now... What's a good name :lol:swizz-the-gamer

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Signing up now... What's a good name :lol:Dracargen

Um. . . .Patty McLeprachaun?

Political Leanings : Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Canadian :lol:swizz-the-gamer

:lol: Is that really there, or is that a custom one you made up?

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Political Leanings : Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Canadian :lol:Dracargen

:lol: Is that really there, or is that a custom one you made up?

ive doubted...but never stopped believing.

ive wondered. but that's just hypothetical.

God creating everything around us is so logical to me.

plus, believing is SOMETHING is healthier than having faith in nothing at all. It gives you no purpose.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Political Leanings : Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Canadian :lol:swizz-the-gamer

:lol: Is that really there, or is that a custom one you made up?

*Checks*

Oh, snap, it really is!:lol:

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Political Leanings : Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Canadian :lol:Dracargen

:lol: Is that really there, or is that a custom one you made up?

*Checks*

Oh, snap, it really is!:lol:

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="swizz-the-gamer"]Political Leanings : Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, Canadian :lol:swizz-the-gamer

:lol: Is that really there, or is that a custom one you made up?

*Checks*

Oh, snap, it really is!:lol:

All right. You might find a mesage in your inbox. :twisted:

Oh, and you may want to turn off the setting that subscribes you to threads. Or your e-mail inbox is about to get very busy.

I wager that Swizz will get banned from Theologyweb within the week.Welkabonz

believing is SOMETHING is healthier than having faith in nothing at all.

fatjack04

And having faith in yourself, your family, your friends, and the entire human race isn't enough?

I guess like Einstein said everything is relative because from my perspective an adult having an imaginary friend isn't healthy.

[QUOTE="fatjack04"]

believing is SOMETHING is healthier than having faith in nothing at all.

Sam_Lowery

And having faith in yourself, your family, your friends, and the entire human race isn't enough?

I guess like Einstein said everything is relative because from my perspective an adult having an imaginary friend isn't healthy.

And I think intolerance is one reason...

I wager that Swizz will get banned from Theologyweb within the week.Welkabonz

I'll see you, and raise you a piece of the original Bible.:twisted:

[QUOTE="fatjack04"]

believing is SOMETHING is healthier than having faith in nothing at all.

Sam_Lowery

I guess like Einstein said everything is relative because from my perspective an adult having an imaginary friend isn't healthy.

It isn't.

Believing in God, on the other hand. . .

[QUOTE="Sam_Lowery"][QUOTE="fatjack04"]

believing is SOMETHING is healthier than having faith in nothing at all.

Dracargen

I guess like Einstein said everything is relative because from my perspective an adult having an imaginary friend isn't healthy.

It isn't.

Believing in God, on the other hand. . .

Well it's a magical man who is invisible and lives in the sky, I guess it's just semantics as far as what you call someone like that.

But let me ask you why this, there are thousands of gods you could believe in, but I assume you are an atheist in regards to Ra and Thor, so why do you worship this particular god? Is it just because you were raised to believe in him, or was there some kind of logical process that brought you to the conclusion that this was the true god while the others were not?

[QUOTE="Sam_Lowery"][QUOTE="fatjack04"]

believing is SOMETHING is healthier than having faith in nothing at all.

LJS9502_basic

And having faith in yourself, your family, your friends, and the entire human race isn't enough?

I guess like Einstein said everything is relative because from my perspective an adult having an imaginary friend isn't healthy.

And I think intolerance is one reason...

Well I didn't say i had a LOT of faith in them. i think it was said best in Men In Black, "a person is smart, people are stupid"

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="Sam_Lowery"][QUOTE="fatjack04"]

believing is SOMETHING is healthier than having faith in nothing at all.

Sam_Lowery

I guess like Einstein said everything is relative because from my perspective an adult having an imaginary friend isn't healthy.

It isn't.

Believing in God, on the other hand. . .

Well it's a magical man who is invisible and lives in the sky, I guess it's just semantics as far as what you call someone like that.

But let me ask you why this, there are thousands of gods you could believe in, but I assume you are an atheist in regards to Ra and Thor, so why do you worship this particular god? Is it just because you were raised to believe in him, or was there some kind of logical process that brought you to the conclusion that this was the true god while the others were not?

Usually it comes down to ignorance towards the other gods. Ignorance in the sense that people don't know a thing about them and don't care enough to find out about them.

Well it's a magical man who is invisible and lives in the sky, I guess it's just semantics as far as what you call someone like that.

But let me ask you why this, there are thousands of gods you could believe in, but I assume you are an atheist in regards to Ra and Thor, so why do you worship this particular god? Is it just because you were raised to believe in him, or was there some kind of logical process that brought you to the conclusion that this was the true god while the others were not?

Sam_Lowery

Option two. I didn't even come to that conclusion until fairly recently.

Oh, and the "invisible man in the sky" silliness has already been addressed, thank you.;)

Usually it comes down to ignorance towards the other gods. Ignorance in the sense that people don't know a thing about them and don't care enough to find out about them.

BlackAlpha666

I love theology.:|

Arguing with nonbelievers is useless because they can never understand the relationship that some believers have with God. These relationships that I've experienced can't be proven (to others) or disproven (to us). That's why it's a waste of time - one side has a relationship that proves to them beyond a doubt that God exists, while the other side sees absolutely no proof that God exists and will continue to argue that God doesn't exist because of the lack of evidence to them.

God can't be proven to anyone unless they have faith first. You can't approach religion with logic and expect to come out with faith - you must approach with faith first and then you will get some logic out of it. This is something that atheists refuse to do - why, I don't know - some even refuse to believe in His miracles. But as long as that's the case, there is no use arguing this anymore.

Arguing with nonbelievers is useless because they can never understand the relationship that some believers have with God. These relationships that I've experienced can't be proven (to others) or disproven (to us). That's why it's a waste of time - one side has a relationship that proves to them beyond a doubt that God exists, while the other side sees absolutely no proof that God exists and will continue to argue that God doesn't exist because of the lack of evidence to them.

God can't be proven to anyone unless they have faith first. You can't approach religion with logic and expect to come out with faith - you must approach with faith first and then you will get some logic out of it. This is something that atheists refuse to do - why, I don't know - some even refuse to believe in His miracles. But as long as that's the case, there is no use arguing this anymore.

abdelmessih101

In the US at least most atheists were Christian for a sizeable portion of their lives. So yes, most of us understand the "relationship" you have with God because we once thought we had the same relationship. It's just that as we grew up we came to the realization that it didn't actually exist and was nothing more than an expectancy effect. Let me ask you this: Why is that followers of every religion have the same intense religious experiences/oneness with their gods/visions/etc? If your god was the only true god then this shouldn't hold true, only Christians should be the ones who have relationships/emotional experiences with their god.

But let me state this again because so many theists seem to think that all atheists have never been religious in their lives: In religious nations like the UK and US the vast majority of athiests were religious (many devoutly religious) at some point in time, usually up until late adolesence. We're had first hand experiences of faith, we know what it's like, so don't say that we don't understand.

[QUOTE="abdelmessih101"]

Arguing with nonbelievers is useless because they can never understand the relationship that some believers have with God. These relationships that I've experienced can't be proven (to others) or disproven (to us). That's why it's a waste of time - one side has a relationship that proves to them beyond a doubt that God exists, while the other side sees absolutely no proof that God exists and will continue to argue that God doesn't exist because of the lack of evidence to them.

God can't be proven to anyone unless they have faith first. You can't approach religion with logic and expect to come out with faith - you must approach with faith first and then you will get some logic out of it. This is something that atheists refuse to do - why, I don't know - some even refuse to believe in His miracles. But as long as that's the case, there is no use arguing this anymore.

gameguy6700

In the US at least most atheists were Christian for a sizeable portion of their lives. So yes, most of us understand the "relationship" you have with God because we once thought we had the same relationship. It's just that as we grew up we came to the realization that it didn't actually exist and was nothing more than an expectancy effect. Let me ask you this: Why is that followers of every religion have the same intense religious experiences/oneness with their gods/visions/etc? If your god was the only true god then this shouldn't hold true, only Christians should be the ones who have relationships/emotional experiences with their god.

But let me state this again because so many theists seem to think that all atheists have never been religious in their lives: In religious nations like the UK and US the vast majority of athiests were religious (many devoutly religious) at some point in time, usually up until late adolesence. We're had first hand experiences of faith, we know what it's like, so don't say that we don't understand.

If they understood the relationship, they wouldn't call it blind faith. And many people lose faith because they're believing in the wrong things - instead of continuing to look for what's right, they quit altogether. As for other religions having the same experiences - there's nothing I could say or do to prove to you that what I believe in is indeed correct, because it has to be a first-hand experience. Besides, there is only one true God, and it's possible to find Him even if you believed in another incorrect religion first. Trust me, if you continue to search for God, you will find Him regardless of how/where you started out. God doesn't hide from those who sincerely search for Him - instead, He makes Himself known to those who seek Him. But it's not as easy road - and it could take years, even decades and it will take extreme persistence - something many are unwilling to do, but if you're sincere in your efforts, you will be rewarded.