Do you guys are in favor or against the Death penalty?

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]

I'm against it. One, it is a gigantic waste of tax payer's dollars. It costs execute someone than it does to more to keep someone in prison for life . Two, I would rather see someone rot in a Maximum security **** hole for the rest of their life than see them painlessly executed.

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Funky_Llama

1. I hardly think it's right to kill someone for purely economic reasons.

2. That's... quite malicious. :?

Speaking of painless execution... it's possible to be executed by centrifuge. It's painless; they just spin you round until you black out, after which they continue to spin you round until your brain loses its oxygen. No one wants to use it for executions because it produces feelings of euphoria.

1. I'm saying we shouldn't kill them for economic reasons. I need to go fix it again.

2. Yeah it kinda is.

3. being centrifuged to death sounds hilarious.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="laughingman42"]

I'm against it. One, it is a gigantic waste of tax payer's dollars. It costs execute someone than it does to more to keep someone in prison for life . Two, I would rather see someone rot in a Maximum security **** hole for the rest of their life than see them painlessly executed.

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laughingman42

1. I hardly think it's right to kill someone for purely economic reasons.

2. That's... quite malicious. :?

Speaking of painless execution... it's possible to be executed by centrifuge. It's painless; they just spin you round until you black out, after which they continue to spin you round until your brain loses its oxygen. No one wants to use it for executions because it produces feelings of euphoria.

1. I'm saying we shouldn't kill them for economic reasons. I need to go fix it again.

2. Yeah it kinda is.

3. being centrifuged to death sounds hilarious.

1. Oh, right.

2. Well, at least we agree on something. :D

3. This is true. :lol:

If the choice is between having a death penalty or having life in prison be the worst punishment, I'd rather have the death penalty around. But I would be willing to give up my support fo the death penalty if we were willing to institute hard labor as a punishment.

So for a rapist, he gets 20 years of hard labor then spends the rest of his days in jail. It's a bad punishment, but it keeps him alive just in case (through the course of appeals) that he's innocent. Also, as others have noted, it costs more to put people to death (due to the appeals process), and if we're going to spend the money, I'd rather employ prison guards/cooks/construction workers than pay for more judges and lawyers.

favor. Humans are adaptable...thats what their purpose in life is...leaving them in jail would do nothing to them. And why spend peoples tax money to keep them alive :?

OH and i just had a random thought just now.....okay so we got people that are against the DP...and we have people saying they approve DP , because they dont want the tax money to go to the victims that committed the crimes...WELL how about this...what if families and or random people are able to form "Life in prison fund" groups to keep the victim alive in prison for the rest of his/her life......those people that join the groups would have some of their taxes go to victim. So this would be only the people in that group would be able to determine if they would want to keep the victim alive...with their own money of course.

ReaperV7

[QUOTE="ReaperV7"]

favor. Humans are adaptable...thats what their purpose in life is...leaving them in jail would do nothing to them. And why spend peoples tax money to keep them alive :?

OH and i just had a random thought just now.....okay so we got people that are against the DP...and we have people saying they approve DP , because they dont want the tax money to go to the victims that committed the crimes...WELL how about this...what if families and or random people are able to form "Life in prison fund" groups to keep the victim alive in prison for the rest of his/her life......those people that join the groups would have some of their taxes go to victim. So this would be only the people in that group would be able to determine if they would want to keep the victim alive...with their own money of course.

gummy_joe

So you basically think that it's acceptable for someone to commit crimes against him because he committed a crime? Wow, glad you're not running the show. I suppose all female inmates should be used by male prison guards, since they committed crimes too, yes?

[QUOTE="gummy_joe"][QUOTE="ReaperV7"]

favor. Humans are adaptable...thats what their purpose in life is...leaving them in jail would do nothing to them. And why spend peoples tax money to keep them alive :?

OH and i just had a random thought just now.....okay so we got people that are against the DP...and we have people saying they approve DP , because they dont want the tax money to go to the victims that committed the crimes...WELL how about this...what if families and or random people are able to form "Life in prison fund" groups to keep the victim alive in prison for the rest of his/her life......those people that join the groups would have some of their taxes go to victim. So this would be only the people in that group would be able to determine if they would want to keep the victim alive...with their own money of course.

Vampyronight

So you basically think that it's acceptable for someone to commit crimes against him because he committed a crime? Wow, glad you're not running the show. I suppose all female inmates should be used by male prison guards, since they committed crimes too, yes?

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="gummy_joe"][QUOTE="ReaperV7"]

favor. Humans are adaptable...thats what their purpose in life is...leaving them in jail would do nothing to them. And why spend peoples tax money to keep them alive :?

OH and i just had a random thought just now.....okay so we got people that are against the DP...and we have people saying they approve DP , because they dont want the tax money to go to the victims that committed the crimes...WELL how about this...what if families and or random people are able to form "Life in prison fund" groups to keep the victim alive in prison for the rest of his/her life......those people that join the groups would have some of their taxes go to victim. So this would be only the people in that group would be able to determine if they would want to keep the victim alive...with their own money of course.

gummy_joe

So you basically think that it's acceptable for someone to commit crimes against him because he committed a crime? Wow, glad you're not running the show. I suppose all female inmates should be used by male prison guards, since they committed crimes too, yes?

If you *really* think that's a better punishment, come out and say that you want a court to mandate it. If we are to punish them for breaking the laws, we can't have the punishment include illegal and unprescribed acts against them just so you can feel like it was a tough punishment. Sorry, but you're advocating rape as a punishment but are unwilling to say that because you know it's a sad counter-argument to death penalty that virtually nobody will support.

I think they deserve to rot in their cell. Why give them the easy way out when you can make them live locked up for 80 years?

TenP

oh noes a warm place to sleep, regular food, a shower and some entertaiment all payed by taxes

yeah thats going to teach them a lesson!

try to get real, most prisoners who commited some of the worst crimes get more care then homeless people that never harmed a fly

[QUOTE="gummy_joe"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="gummy_joe"][QUOTE="ReaperV7"]

favor. Humans are adaptable...thats what their purpose in life is...leaving them in jail would do nothing to them. And why spend peoples tax money to keep them alive :?

OH and i just had a random thought just now.....okay so we got people that are against the DP...and we have people saying they approve DP , because they dont want the tax money to go to the victims that committed the crimes...WELL how about this...what if families and or random people are able to form "Life in prison fund" groups to keep the victim alive in prison for the rest of his/her life......those people that join the groups would have some of their taxes go to victim. So this would be only the people in that group would be able to determine if they would want to keep the victim alive...with their own money of course.

Vampyronight

So you basically think that it's acceptable for someone to commit crimes against him because he committed a crime? Wow, glad you're not running the show. I suppose all female inmates should be used by male prison guards, since they committed crimes too, yes?

If you *really* think that's a better punishment, come out and say that you want a court to mandate it. If we are to punish them for breaking the laws, we can't have the punishment include illegal and unprescribed acts against them just so you can feel like it was a tough punishment. Sorry, but you're advocating rape as a punishment but are unwilling to say that because you know it's a sad counter-argument to death penalty that virtually nobody will support.

We should have the option to use it, but it shouldn't be set in stone for certain crimes. I think along the lines of an eye for an eye over this. If some little runt running around the streets stabs someone and ends up killing them, they should be put to death in my opinion. Cold blooded murders deserve that IMO. I'd prefer to have my tax money spent on a deal with some notorious Thai prision, i'm sure criminals would learn from their experiences a lot more being in a proper prison compared to the 3 star hotels we call our prisions here in the UK. Same for rapists and pedo's.

Some murder's are different though i think. If it were proven yo'd murdered someone in the name of survival, protecting your family etc. i wouldn't want them killed. I'd tell them good job, if teh circumstance was right any way. It's a tough subject to cover because of all the different contingencies (sp?) to take in to account.

[QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="gummy_joe"][QUOTE="Vampyronight"][QUOTE="gummy_joe"][QUOTE="ReaperV7"]

favor. Humans are adaptable...thats what their purpose in life is...leaving them in jail would do nothing to them. And why spend peoples tax money to keep them alive :?

OH and i just had a random thought just now.....okay so we got people that are against the DP...and we have people saying they approve DP , because they dont want the tax money to go to the victims that committed the crimes...WELL how about this...what if families and or random people are able to form "Life in prison fund" groups to keep the victim alive in prison for the rest of his/her life......those people that join the groups would have some of their taxes go to victim. So this would be only the people in that group would be able to determine if they would want to keep the victim alive...with their own money of course.

gummy_joe

So you basically think that it's acceptable for someone to commit crimes against him because he committed a crime? Wow, glad you're not running the show. I suppose all female inmates should be used by male prison guards, since they committed crimes too, yes?

If you *really* think that's a better punishment, come out and say that you want a court to mandate it. If we are to punish them for breaking the laws, we can't have the punishment include illegal and unprescribed acts against them just so you can feel like it was a tough punishment. Sorry, but you're advocating rape as a punishment but are unwilling to say that because you know it's a sad counter-argument to death penalty that virtually nobody will support.

Against.

Beware those in whom the desire to punish is strong.

Against.

Beware those in whom the desire to punish is strong.

soren008

blah blah blah. you make it sound like you couldn't give a monkeys either way.

[QUOTE="soren008"]

Against.

Beware those in whom the desire to punish is strong.

Garforth

blah blah blah. you make it sound like you couldn't give a monkeys either way.

Actually, the use of the word 'against' kind of suggests that he does give a monkeys. ;)

No, only certain people convicted of certain crimes.

The death penalty has been around for thousands of years, why stop now?

harden007

Racism has been around for thousands of years. Why stop now?

and why? I would like to hear ur thoughts on this issue. I don't know wat opinion is the majority, especially among our demographic.

The_Nintendawg

yes im all for it ... but it depends on the crime.. like that guy i just heard about who raped his 8 day old daughter... that dude deserves to die

[QUOTE="harden007"]

No, only certain people convicted of certain crimes.

The death penalty has been around for thousands of years, why stop now?

pianist

Racism has been around for thousands of years. Why stop now?

Well, racism hasn't stopped, and probably never will.

[QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]I would personally make them do work for the rest of their lives. Make them do jobs that nobody wants to do and have half the money earned go to the government and the other half to the family that was effected by the crime.SaugaGames

Brilliant.

No, only certain people convicted of certain crimes.

The death penalty has been around for thousands of years, why stop now?

harden007

[QUOTE="SaugaGames"]

[QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]I would personally make them do work for the rest of their lives. Make them do jobs that nobody wants to do and have half the money earned go to the government and the other half to the family that was effected by the crime.foxhound_fox

Brilliant.

To know that the bastard who caused them so much pain isn't breathing anymore could be quite comforting.

im in favor for the death penalty

you know the saying eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth

so if you murder some1 (not kill) then you should be put to death unless it was an accident and it can be proven

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="harden007"]

No, only certain people convicted of certain crimes.

The death penalty has been around for thousands of years, why stop now?

Persecuted_1

Racism has been around for thousands of years. Why stop now?

Well, racism hasn't stopped, and probably never will.

against the death penalty, in favor of lifetime jail sentences actually being lifetime sentences thoughdarkodonnie

this^

I'm for the death penalty. You murder someone, you don't deserve to live and continue to be a drain on taxpayers and society.hokies1313

Drain on taxpayers? It cost more to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison for life.

im in favor for the death penalty

you know the saying eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth

so if you murder some1 (not kill) then you should be put to death unless it was an accident and it can be proven

ishoturface

I don't think that saying means anything. That's a belief that's been around forever, and it needs to be changed. The emphasis should be put on teaching the criminals who commited the crime a lesson, not on scaring other people who might commit the crimes. Putting someone to death is inhumane and hypocritical. It's not the government's job to kill criminals.

[QUOTE="ishoturface"]

im in favor for the death penalty

you know the saying eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth

so if you murder some1 (not kill) then you should be put to death unless it was an accident and it can be proven

gbpman630

I don't think that saying means anything. That's a belief that's been around forever, and it needs to be changed. The emphasis should be put on teaching the criminals who commited the crime a lesson, not on scaring other people who might commit the crimes. Putting someone to death is inhumane and hypocritical. It's not the government's job to kill criminals.

That saying came about because waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy back in the day if you murdered someone the family or clan or tribe or whatever of the person you murdered would come back and kill your entire family. It was put in place to make punishment more lenient.

Spree Killers

Serial Killers

Child Murderers

100% in favor for it, sorry for the people who dont like it, but some people just dont deserve to live...maybe if we were less weak we could take care of serial killers/child murderers/rapists/other evil vile beings.

and for the people who say but what if you kill an innocent, well theres a simple answer to that, LIE DETECTOR TEST, screw wasting money on judges, jurry, lawyers. a simple lie detector test could could prove guilty or innocent in afew hours. i dont get why we dont use them in our system?

100% in favor for it, sorry for the people who dont like it, but some people just dont deserve to live...maybe if we were less weak we could take care of serial killers/child murderers/rapists/other evil vile beings.

and for the people who say but what if you kill an innocent, well theres a simple answer to that, LIE DETECTOR TEST, screw wasting money on judges, jurry, lawyers. a simple lie detector test could could prove guilty or innocent in afew hours. i dont get why we dont use them in our system?

legend26

Lie detechtors are easy to trick but certain scans of the brain and such are alot better

[QUOTE="harden007"]

No, only certain people convicted of certain crimes.

The death penalty has been around for thousands of years, why stop now?

pianist

Racism has been around for thousands of years. Why stop now?

Worst attempt at rhetoric I've ever seen. That is completely irrelevant.

Being from the UK, and having been to the US recently, I find it shocking how many people there approve of the death penalty. The UK and Europe get along fine without it. It doesn't act as a deterrent, your crime rates are vastly higher than most of Europe, innocent people are sometimes killed.It costs more to put them to death so there is no financial advantage to it.

Why do people approve of it? From what I see it seems people justify it on the "eye for an eye" basis. I think a society and a law based on revenge is a very sad one, and I think sometimes people forget that it is society itself which can turn people into killers.

Lastly, I see a lot of people saying "jail does nothing". Well, then do something about it, jail isn't a set idea, maybe inmates should do more work, or get better counselling, or worse conditions, I don't know, but either way, prison can help people, or (if you would prefer) it can make people suffer, some people here seem too happy to just speak rather than actually think about what can be done first.

100% in favor for it, sorry for the people who dont like it, but some people just dont deserve to live...maybe if we were less weak we could take care of serial killers/child murderers/rapists/other evil vile beings.

and for the people who say but what if you kill an innocent, well theres a simple answer to that, LIE DETECTOR TEST, screw wasting money on judges, jurry, lawyers. a simple lie detector test could could prove guilty or innocent in afew hours. i dont get why we dont use them in our system?

legend26

We don't use them because they aren't accurate, 80% is the usual accuracy rating and even then there is a lot of "inconclusive" results. Would you sentence someone to death on this basis, it shouldnt even be seen in court, because it can have too much influence on a jury when it can be completely wrong, I dont want a system like that in court, hard facts, thats all that should be allowed.

Why do people approve of it? From what I see it seems people justify it on the "eye for an eye" basis. I think a society and a law based on revenge is a very sad one, and I think sometimes people forget that it is society itself which can turn people into killers. adfaadfa2003

[QUOTE="adfaadfa2003"]Why do people approve of it? From what I see it seems people justify it on the "eye for an eye" basis. I think a society and a law based on revenge is a very sad one, and I think sometimes people forget that it is society itself which can turn people into killers. Vandalvideo

Too true, the UK has a nasty history, and it's not like we're going through an easy time at the moment, but I wasnt trying to turn this into a battle of nations, the US is a fantastic country in many regards but politically it has a lot of differences. Besides, we've moved on, and the 19th Century was a long time ago.

100% in favor for it, sorry for the people who dont like it, but some people just dont deserve to live...maybe if we were less weak we could take care of serial killers/child murderers/rapists/other evil vile beings.

and for the people who say but what if you kill an innocent, well theres a simple answer to that, LIE DETECTOR TEST, screw wasting money on judges, jurry, lawyers. a simple lie detector test could could prove guilty or innocent in afew hours. i dont get why we dont use them in our system?

legend26

somepeople can convence themselves that they are telling the truth and pass lie detector tests even though they are lieing, and some people can freakout and fail even when they are telling the truth.

Againt, if you kill a killer how does that accomplish anything? You create another killer.GrandTheftHalo

Because it eliminates the possibilty of the murderer escaping from prison, and killing again while he's out running wild. To deal with more people dead at the hands of a criminal who should have been disposed of, would really be draining on taxpayers money, not to mention the embarrassment of the prisons not being able to hold who they're supposed to hold. If someone kills someone else in cold blood, and shows no remorse in court, they should be sent to the chair. (In Beavis voice: "The chair! The chair! YEEEYAYAYAYAYAAHHHHH!!!") Period.