Except that there is no clinical evidence to support it, and smoking is not claimed to provide ANY benefits. Also, swine flu is about the dumbest single reason I've yet heard for smoking pot.
Oh yeah smart idea. Suppress your immune system when your sick....duxup
Immune system suppression" does not in any way mean a "weakened immune system". Supression simply means it keeps your immune system from over reacting, not cause it to under react. This is why marijuana is such a viable medication for persons with autoimmune diseases. There are no studies that show any correlation--yet alone causation--between marijuana use and being more susceptible to disease.
Except that there is no clinical evidence to support it, and smoking is not claimed to provide ANY benefits. Also, swine flu is about the dumbest single reason I've yet heard for smoking pot.xaos
The research (as well as my article) explicitly states that inhalation of combusted marijuana is in no way related to the claims of this study. To receive the benefits of ISS, you would be better off absorbing the cannabinoids orally or via digestion. For those of you who are so obviously anti-marijuana... you are free to feel however you want about a plant, just don't be afraid of it for false reasons. I promise, you are much more harmful to it than it could ever be to you.
Hmmm. Looking at the tabs... "Potproganda"..."Medical Marijuana"..."MariMonday"... Gee. I wonder if the site has an agenda that it is trying to push. So I click on "About" and voila! [quote="Show me the Facts site"] I grew up being told-and believing-that marijuana was bad. I was taught that it destroys minds, lives, and families; for years, I even regurgitated the hate, myths, and lies. I know what it is like to know marijuana is bad. I remember how it feels to desperately grasp onto your beliefs despite the fact that as you get older and more independent, the facts that once were in stone are no longer facts... just things you were told. I also remember how freeing it was to have my ignorance stripped away as I took the initiative to learn for myself the truth regarding this very misunderstood plant. I'd look for confirmation from someplace else that doesn't so obviously have an agenda before deciding that smoking pot is a great way to treat swine flu...or anything else for that matter.
[QUOTE="duxup"]Oh yeah smart idea. Suppress your immune system when your sick....TheWiikestLink
Immune system suppression" does not in any way mean a "weakened immune system". Supression simply means it keeps your immune system from over reacting, not cause it to under react. This is why marijuana is such a viable medication for persons with autoimmune diseases. There are no studies that show any correlation--yet alone causation--between marijuana use and being more susceptible to disease.
Immune system suppression means it prevents the immune system from working properly. There's no way you can prevent it from over reacting without weakening it.
For those of you who are so obviously anti-marijuana... you are free to feel however you want about a plant, just don't be afraid of it for false reasons. I promise, you are much more harmful to it than it could ever be to you. TheWiikestLink
No, I used to smoke pot. It was more of a social thing, but I stopped as it was a waste of money and the whole 'lifestyle' got annoying. Seriously, there's nothing more obnoxious than a pothead with an agenda.
[QUOTE="shoeman12"]i'll wait for a more credible source that i've actually heard of.TheWiikestLink
like fox news? lol feel free. like fox news, or CNN, MSNBC, AP, a real medical source, pretty much any source with a shred of credibility I've actually heard of. this has nothing to do with conservative/liberal and everything to do with the fact that it's from showmethefacts.org, a website i've never heard of.
[QUOTE="xaos"]Except that there is no clinical evidence to support it, and smoking is not claimed to provide ANY benefits. Also, swine flu is about the dumbest single reason I've yet heard for smoking pot.TheWiikestLink
The research (as well as my article) explicitly states that inhalation of combusted marijuana is in no way related to the claims of this study. To receive the benefits of ISS, you would be better off absorbing the cannabinoids orally or via digestion. For those of you who are so obviously anti-marijuana... you are free to feel however you want about a plant, just don't be afraid of it for false reasons. I promise, you are much more harmful to it than it could ever be to you. I'm pro-legalization, I'm anti-bad science
Oh yeah smart idea. Suppress your immune system when your sick....duxup
Isn't that a good point in this case? I mean isn't it young and healthy people who die? Those with a good working immune system? (note: I haven't followed this swine flu anymore than the headlines and front page at newspapers...)
IMO, it isn't interesting. The original article came from a company called Cannabis Science, Inc.. That's the equivalent of Kellogg's doing a study and finding that Corn Flakes cure cancer. While we're at it, apparently MS did a study and found that Vista is the best and most popular OS EVER.
[QUOTE="TheWiikestLink"][QUOTE="duxup"]Oh yeah smart idea. Suppress your immune system when your sick....metroidfood
Immune system suppression" does not in any way mean a "weakened immune system". Supression simply means it keeps your immune system from over reacting, not cause it to under react. This is why marijuana is such a viable medication for persons with autoimmune diseases. There are no studies that show any correlation--yet alone causation--between marijuana use and being more susceptible to disease.
Immune system suppression means it prevents the immune system from working properly. There's no way you can prevent it from over reacting without weakening it.
Marijuana isn't really a "cure" for anything, though it does show promise in some varying specific fields of medicine. Rather, it is just an effective treatmentt. A better way to think of marijuana is not that it is some sort of "safe drug"... instead, think of it as an "effective supplement". If your body was low on calcium, you would take a supplement. If you needed more vitamin C in your diet, your doctor may tell you to drink more orange juice. If your body lacked a specific hormone, your doctor would provide you with a hormonal supplement to get your body back on track. Some of your most vital body functions (be it liver functions, facets of your immune system, or day-to-day activities of the brain) are controlled by endocannabinoids (cannabinoids created within your body). Just like with any other variable in your body, not everyone is born with the ability to create a sufficient amount of endocannabinoids naturally and, thus, we can see from studies that supplementation of endocannabinoids via consumption of marijuana-derived cannabinoids can treat certain conditions. Conditions ranging from ADHD to skin rashes. It's not a "miracle"... it's just science. :D My article clearly states that it is a proven immune system suppressant. It is only you who have decided to misconstrue that rather than google and find out what exactly suppression means.
[QUOTE="duxup"]Oh yeah smart idea. Suppress your immune system when your sick....TheWiikestLink
Immune system suppression" does not in any way mean a "weakened immune system". Supression simply means it keeps your immune system from over reacting, not cause it to under react. This is why marijuana is such a viable medication for persons with autoimmune diseases. There are no studies that show any correlation--yet alone causation--between marijuana use and being more susceptible to disease. So it isn't weaker because you say so? That makes it a viable treatment with no science to back it up?
Then you argue that because you claim there are no studies about marijuana and being susceptible disease that means there is no reason to think so?
So science or lack of it only matters when it fits your argument?
Swine flu, the national debt? Grasping at straws like this is why the legalization movement isn't taken seriously.
[QUOTE="duxup"]Oh yeah smart idea. Suppress your immune system when your sick....horgen123
Isn't that a good point in this case? I mean isn't it young and healthy people who die? Those with a good working immune system? (note: I haven't followed this swine flu anymore than the headlines and front page at newspapers...) The very young and those with underlying problems seemed to get hit hard like many flus, but with so few solidly confirmed cases (in fact many Mexican cases were found NOT to be the swine flu) nothing statistically significant has been determined.
i'll wait for a more credible source that i've actually heard of.shoeman12
like fox news? lol feel free to keep living in your ignorant world.
Like a real organisation that isn't pro-pot. If only we had some sort of medical association that did scientific tests on this kind of thing.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm marijuana actually shows promise in *helping* to cut tumor growth in half there is also a article where pot acctually helps promote brain cell growth....i will post it as soon as i find it.
[QUOTE="TheWiikestLink"] like fox news? lol feel free to keep living in your ignorant world.
Like a real organisation that isn't pro-pot. If only we had some sort of medical association that did scientific tests on this kind of thing.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm marijuana actually shows promise in *helping* to cut tumor growth in half there is also a article where pot acctually helps promote brain cell growth....i will post it as soon as i find it. Again, just because an article says something doesn't make it true, even if it is a scientific study. Be aware of potential bias in the study, for example was the researcher hoping to find certain results. Also, has their findings been able to replicated in another study? An example is that years ago a study came out saying coffee caused cancer. Further studies found that coffee drinkers are more likely to smoke, and thus the original findings had reliability and validity issues.
[QUOTE="TheWiikestLink"] like fox news? lol feel free to keep living in your ignorant world.
TheWiikestLink
Like a real organisation that isn't pro-pot. If only we had some sort of medical association that did scientific tests on this kind of thing.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm marijuana actually shows promise in *helping* to cut tumor growth in half there is also a article where pot acctually helps promote brain cell growth....i will post it as soon as i find it.
Goody, but that doesn't seem to show anything Swine Flu. :|
Also from ScienceDaily: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090209075631.htm
[QUOTE="xaos"]and smoking is not claimed to provide ANY benefits. -xPANICx-
have you been locked away for the past 10 years? theres tons of benefits. you are obviously misinformed. I apologize for being unclear; I meant in the context of the article. The person who wants to sell cannabis lozenges claims that the lozenges provide benefit that smoking does not. I don't know why pot needs rationalizations anyway; I think it's unnecessary and I would be beyond shocked if the average person sparked up thinking of the alleged health benefits and does it for that reason.
as long as there will be governments insisting that pot is bad for you, there will be pot heads insisting its good, its about as good and as bad to smoke pot all day as it is to drink all day
Like a real organisation that isn't pro-pot. If only we had some sort of medical association that did scientific tests on this kind of thing.
Theokhoth
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm marijuana actually shows promise in *helping* to cut tumor growth in half there is also a article where pot acctually helps promote brain cell growth....i will post it as soon as i find it.
Goody, but that doesn't seem to show anything Swine Flu. :|
Also from ScienceDaily: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090209075631.htm
I think I'll take the swine flu.
I didn't say it idid. :|
"In the meantime, Schwartz said, "What young men should know is that first, we know very little about the long-term health consequences of marijuana smoking, especially heavy marijuana smoking; and second, our study provides some evidence that testicular cancer could be one adverse consequence," he said. "So, in the absence of more certain information, a decision to smoke marijuana recreationally means that one is taking a chance on one's future health.""
They sound uncertain. :P
It's also important to realize that it is not only the Drug Czar's (and his office) job to promote our drug laws... it is his job to literally *maintain* them, by any means necessary, even if it means stopping research or promoting false information:
Quote: According to Title VII Office of National Drug Control Policy Reauthorization Act of 1998: H11225: Responsibilities. --The Director-- [...] (12) shall ensure that no Federal funds appropriated to the Office of National Drug Control Policy shall be expended for any study or contract relating to the legalization (for a medical use or any other use) of a substance listed in schedule I of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812) and take such actions as necessary to oppose any attempt to legalize the use of a substance (in any form) that-- 1. is listed in schedule I of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812); and 2. has not been approved for use for medical purposes by the Food and Drug Administration;
So by all means, if you would rather deny all studies from so many independent institutions, universities, and non-US influenced governments so you can find some sort of refuge in the warm-blanket-of-ignorance that NIDA or any other source like fox news provides for you... be my guest. I'm not trying to force what I say on to any of you, only providing it as-is. So by all means, if you would rather deny all studies from so many independent institutions, universities, and non-US influenced governments so you can find some sort of refuge in the warm-blanket-of-ignorance that NIDA or any other "big name legit company" provides for you... be my guest. I'm not trying to force what I say on to any of you, only providing it as-is. what you gave me is not confirmed...marijuana is a immune system system supressant is confirmed,the fact they are using marijuana that MIGHT help swine flu,is not confirmed yet either.
[QUOTE="-xPANICx-"][QUOTE="xaos"]and smoking is not claimed to provide ANY benefits. xaos
have you been locked away for the past 10 years? theres tons of benefits. you are obviously misinformed. I apologize for being unclear; I meant in the context of the article. The person who wants to sell cannabis lozenges claims that the lozenges provide benefit that smoking does not. I don't know why pot needs rationalizations anyway; I think it's unnecessary and I would be beyond shocked if the average person sparked up thinking of the alleged health benefits and does it for that reason. That's the part that winds me up about a lot of the legalisation campaign. If you want to smoke pot, then be open about the reasoning. When people start claiming that it's a miracle cancer cure and has absolutely no drawbacks, they just come across as blinkered zealots.
So by all means, if you would rather deny all studies from so many independent institutions, universities, and non-US influenced governments so you can find some sort of refuge in the warm-blanket-of-ignorance that NIDA or any other source like fox news provides for you... be my guest. I'm not trying to force what I say on to any of you, only providing it as-is. So by all means, if you would rather deny all studies from so many independent institutions, universities, and non-US influenced governments so you can find some sort of refuge in the warm-blanket-of-ignorance that NIDA or any other "big name legit company" provides for you... be my guest. I'm not trying to force what I say on to any of you, only providing it as-is. what you gave me is not confirmed...marijuana is a immune system system supressant is confirmed,the fact they are using marijuana that MIGHT help swine flu,is not confirmed yet either.
TheWiikestLink
This is why I don't like pot smokers: the attitude is too similar to conspiracy theorists for me to take seriously.
I prefer NIDA over showmethefacts.org and vague references to "independent sources, universities and non-US governments (as if the US government has some sort of massive agenda against pot)."
as long as there will be governments insisting that pot is bad for you, there will be pot heads insisting its good, its about as good and as bad to smoke pot all day as it is to drink all daypancreasjuice
Not all are pot heads....ron paul i dont think is a pot head and he supports the legalization of weed.... : / ron paul himself says he doesnt smoke weed...but he is one of the few that does recognize that facts that scientists have proven over the years about medical marijuana but more importantly he recognizes the facts about the failure of the war on drugs. and who says you HAVE to smoke it? smoking is so overrated.
So by all means, if you would rather deny all studies from so many independent institutions, universities, and non-US influenced governments so you can find some sort of refuge in the warm-blanket-of-ignorance that NIDA or any other source like fox news provides for you... be my guest. I'm not trying to force what I say on to any of you, only providing it as-is. So by all means, if you would rather deny all studies from so many independent institutions, universities, and non-US influenced governments so you can find some sort of refuge in the warm-blanket-of-ignorance that NIDA or any other "big name legit company" provides for you... be my guest. I'm not trying to force what I say on to any of you, only providing it as-is. what you gave me is not confirmed...marijuana is a immune system system supressant is confirmed,the fact they are using marijuana that MIGHT help swine flu,is not confirmed yet either.
Theokhoth
This is why I don't like pot smokers: the attitude is too similar to conspiracy theorists for me to take seriously.
I prefer NIDA over showmethefacts.org and vague references to "independent sources, universities and non-US governments (as if the US government has some sort of massive agenda against pot)."
The fact that weed can cause paranoia is one of the strongest arguments against legalisation for me.
So by all means, if you would rather deny all studies from so many independent institutions, universities, and non-US influenced governments so you can find some sort of refuge in the warm-blanket-of-ignorance that NIDA or any other source like fox news provides for you... be my guest. I'm not trying to force what I say on to any of you, only providing it as-is. So by all means, if you would rather deny all studies from so many independent institutions, universities, and non-US influenced governments so you can find some sort of refuge in the warm-blanket-of-ignorance that NIDA or any other "big name legit company" provides for you... be my guest. I'm not trying to force what I say on to any of you, only providing it as-is. what you gave me is not confirmed...marijuana is a immune system system supressant is confirmed,the fact they are using marijuana that MIGHT help swine flu,is not confirmed yet either.
Theokhoth
This is why I don't like pot smokers: the attitude is too similar to conspiracy theorists for me to take seriously.
I prefer NIDA over showmethefacts.org and vague references to "independent sources, universities and non-US governments (as if the US government has some sort of massive agenda against pot)."
Kid,im talking to you like...."it is what it is"...marijuana is a plant...a plant that really has less side effects than alcohol,if any....a plant that has been proven to help our society. I dont care that you hate the plant,just hate it for the right reasons. ya dig?
found it. :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti3QAlKx10c
found another one on why weed should be legal....this guy makes too much sense.
That is really the key when it comes to marijuana... you can't be lazy if you want to learn the facts because the facts suffer from the same stigmas as the plant itself. Even the best of the best news segments I see on marijuana (vaguely promoting its benefits, yet being cautious not to take a stance that may anger viewers/sponsors) simply dance around rhetorical questions that could be answered from a google search.
So by all means, if you would rather deny all studies from so many independent institutions, universities, and non-US influenced governments so you can find some sort of refuge in the warm-blanket-of-ignorance that NIDA or any other source like fox news provides for you... be my guest. I'm not trying to force what I say on to any of you, only providing it as-is. So by all means, if you would rather deny all studies from so many independent institutions, universities, and non-US influenced governments so you can find some sort of refuge in the warm-blanket-of-ignorance that NIDA or any other "big name legit company" provides for you... be my guest. I'm not trying to force what I say on to any of you, only providing it as-is. what you gave me is not confirmed...marijuana is a immune system system supressant is confirmed,the fact they are using marijuana that MIGHT help swine flu,is not confirmed yet either.
jimmyjammer69
This is why I don't like pot smokers: the attitude is too similar to conspiracy theorists for me to take seriously.
I prefer NIDA over showmethefacts.org and vague references to "independent sources, universities and non-US governments (as if the US government has some sort of massive agenda against pot)."
The fact that weed can cause paranoia is one of the strongest arguments against legalisation for me.
You most likely had a sativa-strain, which are more prone to cause anxiety attacks with new users due to it being a bit stimulating. I had one myself as well when I first tried marijuana. The key is to either start slow with weaker strains to get your body used to it, or start with Indica strains (which promote relaxation and feeling more at peace).
interesting, but the site is very pro-marijuana to start with, i rather just wait for a more credible source. Dante2710
That was put up as soon as that strain of flu was in the news. It takes long involved studies before anything is accepted as factual. They had no time for that. Not true in the least. Mere propaganda.
I think the fact that it's illegal contributes quite a bit to the paranoia aspect
Speeding is illegal but I don't notice paranoid speeders.
Really? I notice plenty. It's irrelevant anyway because you can't go to prison for speeding.
There is plenty of paranoid speeders,myself being one.....those are the people that jet past by you and see a police car yards away, and start slowing down,only to speed back up when the officer is out of sight.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Speeding is illegal but I don't notice paranoid speeders.
TheWiikestLink
Really? I notice plenty. It's irrelevant anyway because you can't go to prison for speeding.
There is plenty of paranoid speeders,myself being one.....those are the people that jet past by you and see a police car yards away, and start slowing down,only to speed back up when the officer is out of sight.Uh...that is not paranoid. That is avoiding a ticket.:|
I don't see why people are so against cannabis as a medicine, tbh. It isn't half as bad for you as alcohol or tobacco. Also, there is no evidence that JUST cannabis causes paranoia or other medical mental conditions, it is mostly government propaganda trying to divert people from the drug (others may disagree with this, but I respect that, and that is another debate for another time). Also, it is a fact that you can't be physically addicted to cannabis.
Should I be offered a cannabis basedtreatment for any disease/illness/painful condition, I would personally jump at the opportunity for one main reason: cannabis is a herb, and I trust what nature makes, a hell of a lot more that what man makes...
The fact that weed can cause paranoia is one of the strongest arguments against legalisation for me.
jimmyjammer69
That's ridiculous. Scary movies make people paranoid. Overblown news reports make people paranoid. Should we ban the news and scary movies because they make people freak out? I could see if weed made you so paranoid that you want to kill yourself or something that actually has an affect, but it doesn't. LOL, at worst you'll just stay in the comfort of your house or you'll be more careful. Compare this with legal drugs that are designed to severely and permanently alter the chemical balance in your mind and alcohol. Do you guys have the same hatred for those? Plus, to all the religious people out there: This is a natural product made by God. Are you seriously going to sit around and damn/condemn god's creation? Why? Because the government told you that this is the one time where God made a boo boo?
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