Oh yeah smart idea. Suppress your immune system when your sick....duxup
this may be the funniest post i've ever read from you, and i'm sure that you didn't mean for it to be funny. :lol:
btw i agree w/ your post, and i'm pro marijuana
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Then your argument comes down to unstubstantiated opinion.:lol: That is where you seem to be confused. I have no argument. I am just stating facts. I don't argue or defend facts, they do that on their own. just because you are uninformed, doesn't change those facts to opinions. It just simply means you are uninformed and based on what you have typed so far, you seem to not care to me informed or you would have already used Google by now.[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]
No I don't need to provide a link and no it is not me case, it is facts. If he doesn't believe me, well good for him, but what he (or you) believe changes nothing. Facts speak very loudly and need no help from me. If you are uninformed, then it is your job to become informed, not my job to spoon feed anybody just because they don't know or don't believe me. They can learn about these things the same way I did. By doing their own research. My mother has Glaucoma and that's why I first started looking into it. I see it like this. By ALL means, please don't believe me, I couldn't care less.
LJS9502_basic
By all appearances, you came in here expecting everyone to agree with you :\ no sir...im more like the Fox news but without the goverment paying me to report TRUTH. like everything,including religion,you dont have to accepted it,but when it makes sense it makes sense.[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="TheWiikestLink"] if i told you the sky was blue would i have to show you a link to it? I came into this thread to seriously discuss this,i would assume you would have enogh information about it to post. :) that's all. Im not saying anything that hasn't been said before.(maybe the thread title might be a bit misleading :D)TheWiikestLink
why do you want us too try it so bad can't you just use and be on with your day? i love energy drinks but i don't go around making threads about them
[QUOTE="Adrianstalker"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And they don't admit to the negatives....which is why I don't take the arguments seriously.
LJS9502_basic
Funny, I have yet to see you admit the negatives on the war on drugs, which in any means, overcome any negatives that pot itself may cause. The war on drugs kill innocent people caught on the crossfire, pot doesn't kill anyone. So you will admit you support an agenda that not only is a failure in terms of efficiency, but also responsible to numerous of unjust deaths?
Actually I provided links that do show pot has contributed to death. If you know my posts that well then you should know that.I missed those links. Care to post again? Im realy curious to see how many people died because of pot use. What was the source?
Facts in regard to this subject depend on which sites one gets the facts. Again you assume I am uninformed because I said you need to provide backing for your statements in a discussion. Thus far, you have not. And insulting others due to this lack is not how one makes points either.:|:lol: That is where you seem to be confused. I have no argument. I am just stating facts. I don't argue or defend facts, they do that on their own. just because you are uninformed, doesn't change those facts to opinions. It just simply means you are uninformed and based on what you have typed so far, you seem to not care to me informed or you would have already used Google by now.
TheGreatOutdoor
[QUOTE="duxup"]Oh yeah smart idea. Suppress your immune system when your sick....zmbi_gmr
this may be the funniest post i've ever read from you, and i'm sure that you didn't mean for it to be funny. :lol:
btw i agree w/ your post, and i'm pro marijuana
how is that funny? swine flu makes your immune system go into overdrive like i said before....supressing it is the smart thing to do....:|Facts in regard to this subject depend on which sites one gets the facts. Again you assume I am uninformed because I said you need to provide backing for your statements in a discussion. Thus far, you have not. And insulting others due to this lack is not how one makes points either.:|:lol: I never insulted anybody. Saying somebody is uninformed on a subject/issue is not insulting. I just don't care to be your teacher today. If you know about what I am saying, then stop pestering me for a link. If you don't know, then again I say to you. Go use Google.[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]
:lol: That is where you seem to be confused. I have no argument. I am just stating facts. I don't argue or defend facts, they do that on their own. just because you are uninformed, doesn't change those facts to opinions. It just simply means you are uninformed and based on what you have typed so far, you seem to not care to me informed or you would have already used Google by now.
LJS9502_basic
no sir...im more like the Fox news but without the goverment paying me to report TRUTH. like everything,including religion,you dont have to accepted it,but when it makes sense it makes sense.[QUOTE="TheWiikestLink"]
[QUOTE="xaos"] By all appearances, you came in here expecting everyone to agree with you :\XD4NTESINF3RNOX
why do you want us too try it so bad can't you just use and be on with your day? i love energy drinks but i don't go around making threads about them
wtf are you talking about?wtf are you talking about?[QUOTE="XD4NTESINF3RNOX"]
why do you want us too try it so bad can't you just use and be on with your day? i love energy drinks but i don't go around making threads about them
TheWiikestLink
That's what I was just gonna say...made no sense
would you fancy a cookie?No, I don't have a "H1N1" or smoke pot. I've been clean since after grade 9.
OfficialBed
[QUOTE="zmbi_gmr"][QUOTE="duxup"]Oh yeah smart idea. Suppress your immune system when your sick....TheWiikestLink
this may be the funniest post i've ever read from you, and i'm sure that you didn't mean for it to be funny. :lol:
btw i agree w/ your post, and i'm pro marijuana
how is that funny? swine flu makes your immune system go into overdrive like i said before....supressing it is the smart thing to do....:| You make it sound as if that one potential reaction is the danger of swine flu. That is the human body's reaction to a virus. There is a big difference between what a virus does (basic biology) and the human body's reaction. Let's just pretend (because that is all there is at this point) that smoking when you're seriously ill with the swine flu would in fact suppress the immune system. You've got nothing to show that it would do so in any helpful way and there is no reason to think it would stop the swine flu from killing you... you know the disease that is actually the danger?Suppressing the immune system by smoking when you have the swine flu is the smartest thing to do when you're sick by smoking? Based on no science whatsoever? Like I said this is just the grasping at straws that makes such a movement look bad. I can't tell if you're seriously trying to promote this cause or make it look bad.
Here's some light reading.I missed those links. Care to post again? Im realy curious to see how many people died because of pot use. What was the source?
Adrianstalker
And this.
I'm not asking you to provide anything. But that leaves your argument unsubstantiated. Period.;)[]:lol: I never insulted anybody. Saying somebody is uninformed on a subject/issue is not insulting. I just don't care to be your teacher today. If you know about what I am saying, then stop pestering me for a link. If you don't know, then again I say to you. Go use Google.
TheGreatOutdoor
wtf are you talking about?[QUOTE="TheWiikestLink"]
[QUOTE="XD4NTESINF3RNOX"]
why do you want us too try it so bad can't you just use and be on with your day? i love energy drinks but i don't go around making threads about them
effena
That's what I was just gonna say...made no sense
I'm just saying why do people want us to care about pot so muchI'm not asking you to provide anything. But that leaves your argument unsubstantiated. Period.;)What part of "I have no argument" are you missing?[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]
[]:lol: I never insulted anybody. Saying somebody is uninformed on a subject/issue is not insulting. I just don't care to be your teacher today. If you know about what I am saying, then stop pestering me for a link. If you don't know, then again I say to you. Go use Google.
LJS9502_basic
Oh yeah smart idea. Suppress your immune system when your sick....duxupAre you saying that a pro-marijuana website might be biased to the point of absurdity about marijuana?
I didnt want to read through 5 pages of posts so someone might of already said this.
Yeah pot is cool, its a laugh when your younger, then you depend on it. after a while you might move onto harder stuff, pills, coke, crack.
It's not always the case but before you know it, your life is a mess, your paranoid, depressed. Schizo-f*cking-phrenic
FEck,my best mate took his life - and im the one with a personality disorder.
Someof the best times i've had i was high -It F*cked my life up though - big time!!!
MATT
:lol: That is where you seem to be confused. I have no argument. I am just stating facts. I don't argue or defend facts, they do that on their own. just because you are uninformed, doesn't change those facts to opinions. It just simply means you are uninformed and based on what you have typed so far, you seem to not care to me informed or you would have already used Google by now.dude dont even bother trying to convince lj that pot can be benifitial. he lives in his own little biased world and refuses to believe anything beside what he wants to believe is true. its the same argument with him every time.Not at all biased. I looked at both sides of the issue while those arguing against me have only looked at one.[QUOTE="TheGreatOutdoor"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Then your argument comes down to unstubstantiated opinion.
-xPANICx-
just been Reading through a few post and i thought i'd add a bit more.
Cannabis contains dozens maybe a 100 or so active compounds (tried to find out but to no avail). Say it has 100, 50 of these may be benificial whilst the other 50 will be detrimental. Yes it may have an effect on the immume system but what else is it doing, do the benifits outweigh the risk.
I'm sure there's a lot of pot smokers out there who think - meh, its cool - i'm also sure that there's people who've have had friends with cannabis induced schizophrenia - And others who useit to great effect for releiving MS.
It's like playing Russian Roulette with your mind if you ask me!
Dude, pot did none of that. Don't blame the drug. And the whole gateway thing is silly. That's like: "Oh, I got drunk, so I can't be blamed for my actions" Yeah, same nonsense.I didnt want to read through 5 pages of posts so someone might of already said this.
Yeah pot is cool, its a laugh when your younger, then you depend on it. after a while you might move onto harder stuff, pills, coke, crack.
It's not always the case but before you know it, your life is a mess, your paranoid, depressed. Schizophrenic
,my best mate took his life - and im the one with a personality disorder.
matma7
Personally, I support full legalization of marijuana, not just medical use. Just treat it the same way you do alcohol.
[QUOTE="matma7"]Dude, pot did none of that. Don't blame the drug. And the whole gateway thing is silly. That's like: "Oh, I got drunk, so I can't be blamed for my actions" Yeah, same nonsense.Depends on the individual. Pot can or cannot be a gateway drug depending on the user. I've known people that got heavily involved in drugs that stated that was why. I'm not going to argue their opinion as they would be the only ones to know.I didnt want to read through 5 pages of posts so someone might of already said this.
Yeah pot is cool, its a laugh when your younger, then you depend on it. after a while you might move onto harder stuff, pills, coke, crack.
It's not always the case but before you know it, your life is a mess, your paranoid, depressed. Schizophrenic
,my best mate took his life - and im the one with a personality disorder.
Jandurin
i'm also sure that there's people who've have had friends with cannabis induced schizophrenia -matma7It doesn't "cause" schizophrenia. It *can* cause an onset of schizophrenia that had not yet shown itself. But, you must be predisposed.
I'm just saying correlation does not equal causation. Also, I fear part of the reason marijuana could lead to harder drug use is because the adults make marijuana sound super scary, and then a kid tries it and says, "that wasn't scary, maybe the rest isn't so bad". But, the rest IS so bad, and is much more heavily habit forming. *shrug*Depends on the individual. Pot can or cannot be a gateway drug depending on the user. I've known people that got heavily involved in drugs that stated that was why. I'm not going to argue their opinion as they would be the only ones to know.
LJS9502_basic
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I'm just saying correlation does not equal causation. Also, I fear part of the reason marijuana could lead to harder drug use is because the adults make marijuana sound super scary, and then a kid tries it and says, "that wasn't scary, maybe the rest isn't so bad". But, the rest IS so bad, and is much more heavily habit forming. *shrug*No. The reason is the high becomes not as exhilerating. Thus, they seek out more.Depends on the individual. Pot can or cannot be a gateway drug depending on the user. I've known people that got heavily involved in drugs that stated that was why. I'm not going to argue their opinion as they would be the only ones to know.
Jandurin
[QUOTE="matma7"]i'm also sure that there's people who've have had friends with cannabis induced schizophrenia -JandurinIt doesn't "cause" schizophrenia. It *can* cause an onset of schizophrenia that had not yet shown itself. But, you must be predisposed. That's certainly the most popular theory, but seeing as there's no way of knowing for sure whether you're predisposed, the russian roullette analogy seems a fair one. Not everyone who was predisposed would ever develop symptoms without the aid of cannabis or a few other substances.
[QUOTE="matma7"]i'm also sure that there's people who've have had friends with cannabis induced schizophrenia -JandurinIt doesn't "cause" schizophrenia. It *can* cause an onset of schizophrenia that had not yet shown itself. But, you must be predisposed.Perhaps. But they haven't actually answered that yet. Thus...it is a risk.
Even if you currently don't support medical use, you HAVE to admit that there is medical potential that we should definitely look into. One study found that THC attacked brain cancer cells without harming healthy brain cells. Do you realize how much potential this compound could have? I'm not saying that marijuana cures cancer just based on this one study, but you have to admit that medical marijuana deserves some attention.Personally, I support full legalization of marijuana, not just medical use. Just treat it the same way you do alcohol.
TheGreatOutdoor
I don't buy that.No. The reason is the high becomes not as exhilerating. Thus, they seek out more.
LJS9502_basic
That's certainly the most popular theory, but seeing as there's no way of knowing for sure whether you're predisposed, the russian roullette analogy seems a fair one. Not everyone who was predisposed would ever develop symptoms without the aid of cannabis or a few other substances.jimmyjammer69Yer, I suppose it is a bit of a risk. But, you can determine predisposition by genetics to some degree?
Personally, I support full legalization of marijuana, not just medical use. Just treat it the same way you do alcohol.
Even if you currently don't support medical use, you HAVE to admit that there is medical potential that we should definitely look into. One study found that THC attacked brain cancer cells without harming healthy brain cells. Do you realize how much potential this compound could have? I'm not saying that marijuana cures cancer just based on this one study, but you have to admit that medical marijuana deserves some attention. True. There's been way too much hesitation when it comes to use of analogues and synthetics in medicine.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't buy that.Well...I've read studies when I attended psychology cIasses that arrived at that conclusion. *shrugs* I think I'll stick with psychology rather than internet user....no offense.No. The reason is the high becomes not as exhilerating. Thus, they seek out more.
Jandurin
I don't buy that.Well...I've read studies when I attended psychology cIasses that arrived at that conclusion. *shrugs* I think I'll stick with psychology rather than internet user....no offense. hah. I took psychology classes. I'm sure I would remember had they mentioned yours as *the* reason. Sure, it's a possible one, but the way you stated it has it as the main reason.[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
No. The reason is the high becomes not as exhilerating. Thus, they seek out more.
LJS9502_basic
Personally, I support full legalization of marijuana, not just medical use. Just treat it the same way you do alcohol.
Even if you currently don't support medical use, you HAVE to admit that there is medical potential that we should definitely look into. One study found that THC attacked brain cancer cells without harming healthy brain cells. Do you realize how much potential this compound could have? I'm not saying that marijuana cures cancer just based on this one study, but you have to admit that medical marijuana deserves some attention. True. There's been way too much hesitation when it comes to use of analogues and synthetics in medicine. I wish people would start studying hallucinogenics for their potential as depression meds. A study was done using magic mushrooms, and a vast majority of subjects felt that the drug had positively impacted their lives with a noticeable uplift of their general mood for up to two months after the experience. They also said that doing mushrooms was the single most spiritual experience of their lives. Imagine if someone tweaked around with the compounds a bit and made something synthetic that acted on the serotonin receptors that induce euphoria, but not the ones that cause hallucinations. People could do one dose that would slowly work on these receptors and give them the necessary mood uplift without the "tripping."[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well...I've read studies when I attended psychology cIasses that arrived at that conclusion. *shrugs* I think I'll stick with psychology rather than internet user....no offense. hah. I took psychology classes. I'm sure I would remember had they mentioned yours as *the* reason. Sure, it's a possible one, but the way you stated it has it as the main reason.Every study on the subject has stated it as such. There is a levelling off of the effect of the high. Some people are quite content to remain that way. However, others seek more of a high again and thus the marijuana became a gateway to the effects of drugs for them. If you studied psychology you SHOULD have touched on this.[QUOTE="Jandurin"] I don't buy that.Jandurin
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]That's certainly the most popular theory, but seeing as there's no way of knowing for sure whether you're predisposed, the russian roullette analogy seems a fair one. Not everyone who was predisposed would ever develop symptoms without the aid of cannabis or a few other substances.JandurinYer, I suppose it is a bit of a risk. But, you can determine predisposition by genetics to some degree? You can be sure that you're in a higher risk group if you're aware a family member has suffered from mental illness, but lack of knowledge doesn't guarantee that you're not in the group. Maybe you're right, and DNA tests could be used to determine predisposition, but I can't imagine every potential smoker being screened before his first toke. If there was a way to be certain, I think a lot of the opposition would disappear.
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="pis3rch"] Even if you currently don't support medical use, you HAVE to admit that there is medical potential that we should definitely look into. One study found that THC attacked brain cancer cells without harming healthy brain cells. Do you realize how much potential this compound could have? I'm not saying that marijuana cures cancer just based on this one study, but you have to admit that medical marijuana deserves some attention. pis3rchTrue. There's been way too much hesitation when it comes to use of analogues and synthetics in medicine. I wish people would start studying hallucinogenics for their potential as depression meds. A study was done using magic mushrooms, and a vast majority of subjects felt that the drug had positively impacted their lives with a noticeable uplift of their general mood for up to two months after the experience. They also said that doing mushrooms was the single most spiritual experience of their lives. Imagine if someone tweaked around with the compounds a bit and made something synthetic that acted on the serotonin receptors that induce euphoria, but not the ones that cause hallucinations. People could do one dose that would slowly work on these receptors and give them the necessary mood uplift without the "tripping." I'm always a bit sceptical about chemical mood alteration. I guess I'm from an old school that believes that if you're miserable, it's the life situation that needs sorting out instead of using chemicals to cheer you up. I've seen pill-heads who are out caning it every weekend, and the long term results just seem to be apathy and ever deepening depression.
[QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] True. There's been way too much hesitation when it comes to use of analogues and synthetics in medicine.jimmyjammer69I wish people would start studying hallucinogenics for their potential as depression meds. A study was done using magic mushrooms, and a vast majority of subjects felt that the drug had positively impacted their lives with a noticeable uplift of their general mood for up to two months after the experience. They also said that doing mushrooms was the single most spiritual experience of their lives. Imagine if someone tweaked around with the compounds a bit and made something synthetic that acted on the serotonin receptors that induce euphoria, but not the ones that cause hallucinations. People could do one dose that would slowly work on these receptors and give them the necessary mood uplift without the "tripping." I'm always a bit sceptical about chemical mood alteration. I guess I'm from an old school that believes that if you're miserable, it's the life situation that needs sorting out instead of using chemicals to cheer you up. I've seen pill-heads who are out caning it every weekend, and the long term results just seem to be apathy and ever deepening depression. Very true, my post was under the assumption that depression is a wholly medical problem that can be fixed with meds. Its very likely that many people could cure their depression by sorting their lives out rather than using pills.
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