do you respect US soldiers?

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

To be fair, the Japanese Imperial Army perpetrated numerous atrocities/genocides against the peoples they conquered. That still doesn't justify the bombings of Hiro/Naga though.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

To be fair, the Japanese Imperial Army perpetrated numerous atrocities/genocides against the peoples they conquered. That still doesn't justify the bombings of Hiro/Naga though.

kuraimen

Better topic would be "Do you respect soldiers?" I'd be more interested to see what people think of soldiers from their own country and not a potential foreign nation.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

To be fair, the Japanese Imperial Army perpetrated numerous atrocities/genocides against the peoples they conquered. That still doesn't justify the bombings of Hiro/Naga though.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Saved more lives than tradition bombing would have. Both cities were military targets. Not civilian populations in total. Read a bit of history....LJS9502_basic

Better topic would be "Do you respect soldiers?" I'd be more interested to see what people think of soldiers from their own country and not a potential foreign nation.

sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Better topic would be "Do you respect soldiers?" I'd be more interested to see what people think of soldiers from their own country and not a potential foreign nation.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

To be fair, the Japanese Imperial Army perpetrated numerous atrocities/genocides against the peoples they conquered. That still doesn't justify the bombings of Hiro/Naga though.

Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Just like the 9/11 attacks... they attacked a military center, an economic center and a political center... military targets...kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Better topic would be "Do you respect soldiers?" I'd be more interested to see what people think of soldiers from their own country and not a potential foreign nation.

sonicare

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] An economic center is NOT a military center. Period. Don't care how your bias spins it...that's bull ****LJS9502_basic

Better topic would be "Do you respect soldiers?" I'd be more interested to see what people think of soldiers from their own country and not a potential foreign nation.

sonicare

A military career is a valid option if you live in a country that isn't at war. Three meals every day, a roof over your head, a chance to get a degree and, if you are good at it and get to go through all the hard times, you can become a Colonel or something, which means you will make a pretty damn nice living.

Now, if your country is at war and you actually choose a military career knowing that there's a big chance that you'll be sent to another country to kill people, you are either a sociopath or a full-blown moron. Problem is, of course, that 'Murrica seems to be at war all the time, so... This, of course, doesn't apply if your country is at war because it's being invaded; then you are doing an admirable thing.

Well, the few Ive met were rather respectable if not a bit strange, and stiff in thier ways. Had fairly good food too ^^ Of the Different Nationalities of Soldiers Ive met, the US, German, and UK soldiers were by far the most polite and helpful.

I feel sad reading all these hate messages towards soldiers..

Ive never thought of soldiers as people who protect our freedom.

Its our country as a whole that protects our freedom.

[QUOTE="ad1x2"][QUOTE="m25105"] So why are you saying that the current soldiers provide you with freedom of speech?BossPerson

In terms of people enlisting keeping you free from military service, yes and no. Yes, because if nobody volunteered then Congress would just reinstate the draft to make up for those missing volunteers. No because a draft doesn't automatically mean every male in the country will be forced to serve.

Right now the military has around two million people serving spread out between active duty, Reserves, and the National Guard. On the other hand, over four million males turn 18 every year in the US. Even if you cut that number in half to represent people who would be unqualified to serve only a fraction of the remaining two million would be drafted because we would only need a few thousand of them a year to replace people leaving.

As for the wars themselves, that is obviously debatable and for the most part building schools in Afghanistan isn't doing to much good for us here in the US. However, if nothing else troops are a deterrent. Just like a bully probably won't beat up the kid who's big brother is a black belt in Karate it's unlikely a country wanting to invade us will do it knowing he has the US military (as well as millions of licensed American gun owners) to go through.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

To be fair, the Japanese Imperial Army perpetrated numerous atrocities/genocides against the peoples they conquered. That still doesn't justify the bombings of Hiro/Naga though.

kuraimen

my god, how can you be against the nuclear bombings? The basically ended the war and saved millions on both sides.

I respect only the US Soldiers that fought during World War I, World War II, Korean War and the Operation Desert Storm.

I don't respect the soldiers of today. They only sign up so they can kill or harass middle easterns in their homelands. Plus I am kind of glad todays kids that are in the military get maimed from the Improvised explosives. Watch where you step kid

I respect only the US Soldiers that fought during World War I, World War II, Korean War and the Operation Desert Storm.

I don't respect the soldiers of today. They only sign up so they can kill or harass middle easterns in their homelands. Plus I am kind of glad todays kids that are in the military get maimed from the Improvised explosives. Watch where you step kid

slamminjammin69

There's a difference between not respecting somebody and outright wishing they was dead....

I respect only the US Soldiers that fought during World War I, World War II, Korean War and the Operation Desert Storm.

I don't respect the soldiers of today. They only sign up so they can kill or harass middle easterns in their homelands. Plus I am kind of glad todays kids that are in the military get maimed from the Improvised explosives. Watch where you step kid

slamminjammin69

In a general sense, yes. However, there are the oddballs that commit atrocities or otherwise don't deserve respect. I'm not going to hate my country's entire military for their actions though. I find it disgraceful for anyone to not have at least a degree of respect for their country's military, certain countries excluded.

Yes I do. The same way I respect the person who takes my order at McDonald's. Or absolutely any one else, for that matter.

Not in the least.

Kuraidiot, you do realize that there were no smart bombs back in WWII so the Axis and Allies had to drop loads of bombs onto cities. That's the way it was back then. I don't understand how some people are okay with dropping a ton of small bombs on cities in WWII yet when only one big bomb is dropped it's suddenly "wrong". Especially when no one really had the concept of what a nuclear bomb entailed and it didn't carry the same weight as dropping one today would.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Just to correct, the actual number killed is MUCH more than 7000 civilians. Actual 3rd party sources state that the figure is over 1 million civilians dead due, exclusively, to violent excess deaths. http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/1-over-one-million-iraqi-deaths-caused-by-us-occupation/ http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/01/30/us-iraq-deaths-survey-idUSL3048857920080130

Nayef_shroof

Ignorance is bliss.

I respect only the US Soldiers that fought during World War I, World War II, Korean War and the Operation Desert Storm.

I don't respect the soldiers of today. They only sign up so they can kill or harass middle easterns in their homelands. Plus I am kind of glad todays kids that are in the military get maimed from the Improvised explosives. Watch where you step kid

slamminjammin69

Absolutely. I have too many people I knew from high school that went into the military and served proudly. Everyone should support the troops, even if you don't support the wars they are fighting.

Yes. It's a hard job. Thankful there are people to volunteer for it.

I don't like or agree with war.

But I do respect our soldiers because they are doing a job that I don't have the guts for.

Today's soldiers I just dont show respect since most of them only join up so they can kill kill kill random middle easterns for the hell of it. That makes me sick. That and they're so America gung ho fighting for the USA in their own effed up way.

And look what happens to the soldiers when they come back. All maimed and stuff

Today's soldiers I just dont show respect since most of them only join up so they can kill kill kill random middle easterns for the hell of it. That makes me sick. That and they're so America gung ho fighting for the USA in their own effed up way.

And look what happens to the soldiers when they come back. All maimed and stuff

slamminjammin69

Kuraidiot, you do realize that there were no smart bombs back in WWII so the Axis and Allies had to drop loads of bombs onto cities. That's the way it was back then. I don't understand how some people are okay with dropping a ton of small bombs on cities in WWII yet when only one big bomb is dropped it's suddenly "wrong". Especially when no one really had the concept of what a nuclear bomb entailed and it didn't carry the same weight as dropping one today would.

SpartanMSU

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Saved more lives than tradition bombing would have. Both cities were military targets. Not civilian populations in total. Read a bit of history....TopTierHustler

my god, how can you be against the nuclear bombings? The basically ended the war and saved millions on both sides.

Today's soldiers I just dont show respect since most of them only join up so they can kill kill kill random middle easterns for the hell of it. That makes me sick. That and they're so America gung ho fighting for the USA in their own effed up way.

And look what happens to the soldiers when they come back. All maimed and stuff

slamminjammin69

Actually, most people enlist because they need money for college or they are otherwise unemployed or underemployed. You don't see Miley Cyrus, Mark Zuckerberg, or Bill Gates' children running to the recruiting office. There are patriotic people who enlist but most enlist for benefits.

Psychopaths who want to enlist just to kill "brown people" usually don't even pass the ASVAB because they're too dumb to make it through school. Not to mention less than ten percent of troops deployed even fired their weapon outside of a qualification range.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Just like the 9/11 attacks... they attacked a military center, an economic center and a political center... military targets...kuraimen

my god, how can you be against the nuclear bombings? The basically ended the war and saved millions on both sides.

Sounds smart to me.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]There's a big difference between bombing a city in order to end a war and save lives, while already at war and attacking civilians to start a war for religious reasons.

my god, how can you be against the nuclear bombings? The basically ended the war and saved millions on both sides.

TopTierHustler

Sounds smart to me.

Japan presented a different situation from say, Germany. Back then, Japan's Emperor Hirohito was considered Divine. The Japanese regarded him as a living god. If Japan's military rulers (using the Emperor's name) ordered all Japanese civilians to take up arms and repel the Allied invaders, they probably would and would have died for the Emperor without hesitation.

Japan still had a sizable Home army. Add countless Japanese civilians who would become combatants plus the manner in which most Japanese soldiers fought to the last man, and the scope of difficulty should the Allies invade becomes clear. All the Axis powers aside from Japan had already surrendered. Everyone knew it was just a matter of time before Japan fell. She was given the opportunity to surrender unconditionally. And yet, Japan refused. By refusing to surrender when everything is already lost, they themselves resigned Hiroshima and Nagasaki to their fate.

.....We don't target civilians, however. That's a major distinction that you seem to be ignoring. Terrorists purposefully targeted civilians.

airshocker

Errr... Hiroshima, Nagasaki.....

Today's soldiers I just dont show respect since most of them only join up so they can kill kill kill random middle easterns for the hell of it. That makes me sick. That and they're so America gung ho fighting for the USA in their own effed up way.

And look what happens to the soldiers when they come back. All maimed and stuff

slamminjammin69

That's the dumbest thing I've heard yet. I think I lost two IQ points. Your post is a war crime.

Do I believe in the generalization that all soldiers deserve respect? No.

Do I believe that there are massive ammounts of people in the military that are more than deserving of respect? Yes.

The military (especially at war time) is a means for people to do incredibly heroic and honorable things. On the other side of that coin they have the opportunity to do incredibly inhumane and barbaric things.

As with all things, the decisions the people involved make determines how much they should be respected.

Opinions on the war aside, a young man or woman fighitng for something they truly believe in is a powerful thing. Some of them truly believe they are fighitng for their countries freedom. True or not, they have faith in their convictions.

I sure do, many are my friends...marines, army, air force, navy, you name it i know at least one

Not as much as I used to.

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

.....We don't target civilians, however. That's a major distinction that you seem to be ignoring. Terrorists purposefully targeted civilians.

Conno08

Errr... Hiroshima, Nagasaki.....

Yet another brain washed zombie spouting govt propagander to justify their genocidal actions:roll: Im sure the hundreds of thousands of dead japanese civillians will take great solace in your words.