do you respect US soldiers?

They have nothing to do with me so don't really care.

Those that join for:

- Plea Bargain In Trial For Crimes Committed

C2N2

Joining the military in exchange for dismissal of criminal charges is not allowed. Granted, nothing is stopping a judge from making it as a stipulation for probation or some other plea bargin. However, the military can't honor it and military regulations explicitely state an applicant cannot be accepted if he has court paperwork stating he either joins or goes to jail.

Not to mention having a felony or drug conviction is pretty much a bar from enlistment right now.

So you do not think a war is justified if a country embargoes another country then the embargoed country goes to war with the other country because that trade is crucial to their economy? Plus, do you think soldiers join the Army because they like the government?

JustMe64

Embargo as in refusing to trade with said country? No, war is not justified.

Trying to get other countries to also embargo yours? No, war is not justified. Counter with political/economic sanctions, alliances, etc.

Naval blockade? Blow em out of the water.

I think most soldiers join because they have few other economic options, but then you also have wannabe heroes, super-patriots, people who want to blow things up, etc.

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.....We don't target civilians, however. That's a major distinction that you seem to be ignoring. Terrorists purposefully targeted civilians.

l34052

Errr... Hiroshima, Nagasaki.....

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="C2N2"]

What a **** comparison...

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were major war effort cities in Japan and vital to production and the ability of Japan to maintain its forces... Taking those cities out was taking Japan's ability to make war out. Not to mention forced an end to a war that could have dragged on another year and resulted in millions of further casualties from a ground invasion...

The World Trade Center was a set of civilian office buildings with no strategic value whatsoever and was intended only as a target to inflict the maximum civilian casualties possible.

To compare the two is utterly stupid.

C2N2

Oh I understand that completely, it was the stated goal of al Qaeda in the past to draw the US in a military action that would last several decades and cause it to collapse financially and thus lose its control of the Middle East and allow for the restoration of the Caliphate... But that still doesn't justify directly targeting civilians... This entire argument is over what is and isn't a military target by definition.

Anything can be a military target. If a military wants to perform an operation there then its a military target. The people killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were civilians, and those cities were military targets by the USA. The Twin Towers were military targets by terrorists, but the people that died were civilians.

JustMe64

And yet US media harps on 3000 civilian deaths rather than strategic importance of said target in one case.

While ignoring 300,000 civilian deaths and reporting the strategic importance in the other case.

Both of these cases are "mass destruction" with lots of civvies getting killed.

But in one case justified, the other case villified.

One case "military target."

One case "terrorism."

That's like saying if you punch me in the face that's a military target, but if I punch you in the face that's terrorism, when we're just 2 dudes having an issue/conflict.

And once again a thread about the military has turned for the worse.

yes, considering i am one

Nope i don't respect other people and besides military is lowest tier job only for losers

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You don't take the definition of one country....duh. You take an overview of what the world thinks military vs civilian is. You can't be that uninformed.....LJS9502_basic

Nope i don't respect other people and besides military is lowest tier job only for losers

Zurrur

yes.

Well there was this one Marine private who bumped me in line at the DFAC. That was pretty annoying, especially when he didn't say excuse me or anything. A Marine Sergeant though saw it and chewed him out a bit in front of a bunch of Army guys though so I didn't mind too much.

So yes I do respect soldiers.

[QUOTE="Zurrur"]

Nope i don't respect other people and besides military is lowest tier job only for losers

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Zurrur finally managed to crawl out of SW trolling PC gamers. He's just trying to get a rise.

I do, every American should.

I do, every American should.

Pixel-Perfect

As a soldier I disagree.

But I am flattered you think so, albeit awkwardly.

Those that join for:

- Service

- Patriotism

- Duty

- Career

- Citizenship

- Etc

Yes

Those that join for:

- Free College

- Nothing Else To Do

- Plea Bargain In Trial For Crimes Committed

No

UNLESS: They continue to serve for a while and begin develop the above qualities, but until then no I do not respect them anymore than anyone else because they are just douchebags.

C2N2

douchebags for joining for benefits?

holy hell, what some people expect.

yeah i do.

the atrocity thing is just bullshyt.

you train kids to kill people and ship them off.

they. are. going. to. commit. atrocities.

it has been that way since the dawn of time.

it's the society that ships them off that is guilty not the kids that we already know and accept what they are going to do when they get there.

what i demand from my soldiers is to keep up that 257 to 1 kill to death ratio and to at least try to not snuff too many civilians while they do that.

so in the end i am the one that is the horrible person here not the poor guy that has to do the job.

[QUOTE="C2N2"]

Those that join for:

- Service

- Patriotism

- Duty

- Career

- Citizenship

- Etc

Yes

Those that join for:

- Free College

- Nothing Else To Do

- Plea Bargain In Trial For Crimes Committed

No

UNLESS: They continue to serve for a while and begin develop the above qualities, but until then no I do not respect them anymore than anyone else because they are just douchebags.

whiskeystrike

douchebags for joining for benefits?

holy hell, what some people expect.

People shouldn't join an organization meant to protect/benefit our nation ONLY to benefit themselves... Like I said to another reply, I have no problem with members of the military receiving benefits for their service, I have a problem with people who join the military ONLY for those benefits.

I am simply saying I don't respect those who join the military for purely selfish reasons.

In third world countries, the least respected people, are the people who do the most dangerous jobs.

In india(or is it iraq? I forget which), some people have to unclog sewers filled with human feces without any equipment, these people often die from diseases, or infections. Because of the lack of pay for this job, they also starve to death.

I have as much respect for an American soldier, as I do for some kid uncloging feces.

Doing a job where it is likely you will get killed, when not a single American soldier even understands what they are fighting for, there isn't a less intelligent job in the world.

How can you respect someone who isn't even half as intelligent as you are?

I do appreciate the concept though, it thins out the population, so we have less mouths to feed.

Not only that anyone who seeks out a job that potentially involves them murdering innocent people, isn't someone who is mentally sane, or intelligent. You respect Charles Manson? Then why respect an American soldier?

[QUOTE="Zurrur"]

Nope i don't respect other people and besides military is lowest tier job only for losers

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Nope i don't respect other people and besides military is lowest tier job only for losers

CondorCalabasas

Irony? It's one thing not to respect Soldiers but if you boast that you don't respect other people, period, then I'm going to assume you're some punk in high school going through your rebellious, anti-authority, anti-establishment phase a lot of teens go through.

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="ad1x2"] Starting high school this year?ad1x2

Irony? It's one thing not to respect Soldiers but if you boast that you don't respect other people, period, then I'm going to assume you're some punk in high school going through your rebellious, anti-authority, anti-establishment phase a lot of teens go through.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Again prove that would have happened. You haven't proven anything. Again many people at the time and afterwards involved directly in the conflict said the bombs were not necessary.kuraimen

Provide me with evidence that people thought it was a better idea to have millions die as oopsed to a few hundred thousand.

In third world countries, the least respected people, are the people who do the most dangerous jobs.

In india(or is it iraq? I forget which), some people have to unclog sewers filled with human feces without any equipment, these people often die from diseases, or infections. Because of the lack of pay for this job, they also starve to death.

I have as much respect for an American soldier, as I do for some kid uncloging feces.

Doing a job where it is likely you will get killed, when not a single American soldier even understands what they are fighting for, there isn't a less intelligent job in the world.

How can you respect someone who isn't even half as intelligent as you are?

I do appreciate the concept though, it thins out the population, so we have less mouths to feed.

Not only that anyone who seeks out a job that potentially involves them murdering innocent people, isn't someone who is mentally sane, or intelligent. You respect Charles Manson? Then why respect an American soldier?

CondorCalabasas

wtf is wrong with u kids these days?TopTierHustler

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]wtf is wrong with u kids these days?CondorCalabasas

You're stupid kid.

and a bit sick.

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[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"] Irony.CondorCalabasas

Irony? It's one thing not to respect Soldiers but if you boast that you don't respect other people, period, then I'm going to assume you're some punk in high school going through your rebellious, anti-authority, anti-establishment phase a lot of teens go through.

How does that make me immature? I'm just calling it like I see it.

A lot of teens (to include myself to an extent when I was a teen in the 90s) have a sense of entitlement, think they are smarter than everybody else, and have no respect for people in a position of authority. He says he doesn't respect anybody, so that in itself shows that he's either trolling or if he's serious he has a serious problem with authority.

As for your assumption that you must be a moron if you join the military, that is completely contrary to reality. Especially when you consider such intelligent people as Bill Cosby, Jim Kimsey (co-founder of AOL), and several others who have served. Also, to be a commissioned officer you need at least a bachelor's degree and your average general has a PhD.

Nope i don't respect other people and besides military is lowest tier job only for losers

Zurrur

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]wtf is wrong with u kids these days?TopTierHustler

You're stupid kid.

and a bit sick.

In third world countries, the least respected people, are the people who do the most dangerous jobs.

In india(or is it iraq? I forget which), some people have to unclog sewers filled with human feces without any equipment, these people often die from diseases, or infections. Because of the lack of pay for this job, they also starve to death.

I have as much respect for an American soldier, as I do for some kid uncloging feces.

Doing a job where it is likely you will get killed, when not a single American soldier even understands what they are fighting for, there isn't a less intelligent job in the world.

How can you respect someone who isn't even half as intelligent as you are?

I do appreciate the concept though, it thins out the population, so we have less mouths to feed.

Not only that anyone who seeks out a job that potentially involves them murdering innocent people, isn't someone who is mentally sane, or intelligent. You respect Charles Manson? Then why respect an American soldier?

CondorCalabasas

How does that make me immature? I'm just calling it like I see it.

A lot of teens (to include myself to an extent when I was a teen in the 90s) have a sense of entitlement, think they are smarter than everybody else, and have no respect for people in a position of authority. He says he doesn't respect anybody, so that in itself shows that he's either trolling or if he's serious he has a serious problem with authority.

As for your assumption that you must be a moron if you join the military, that is completely contrary to reality. Especially when you consider such intelligent people as Bill Cosby, Jim Kimsey (co-founder of AOL), and several others who have served. Also, to be a commissioned officer you need at least a bachelor's degree and your average general has a PhD.

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[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"] Irony.CondorCalabasas

You're stupid kid.

and a bit sick.

In order to become a solider you have to go through intelligence screenings and physical exams, and in certain branches like the air force or coast guard, the intelligence screenings are extreme, as in less than 10% of people get into these programs that apply. Solders are far from stupid, and you would know that if you've ever spoken to one, but I doubt you have. You just blindly attack people better than you.

Like somebody said, you are in all likely-hood a teenager going through your rebellious/anti authority phase. You think you're cool putting down people that put their lives on the line or support those who do, but you're not. You're sick and little more than a child.

[QUOTE="ad1x2"]

How does that make me immature? I'm just calling it like I see it.

A lot of teens (to include myself to an extent when I was a teen in the 90s) have a sense of entitlement, think they are smarter than everybody else, and have no respect for people in a position of authority. He says he doesn't respect anybody, so that in itself shows that he's either trolling or if he's serious he has a serious problem with authority.

As for your assumption that you must be a moron if you join the military, that is completely contrary to reality. Especially when you consider such intelligent people as Bill Cosby, Jim Kimsey (co-founder of AOL), and several others who have served. Also, to be a commissioned officer you need at least a bachelor's degree and your average general has a PhD.

CondorCalabasas

Bill Cosby earned a Doctor of Education in 1976. That's something not any idiot can do. But you're acting that I said Rodney King or something when I listed Bill Cosby as an example of an intelligent person. Yes, dummies can attend college. It doesn't mean all of them will finish. You are getting on other users for putting down people but you seem to have no problem whatsoever putting down every single person who volunteered to join the military. That is irony in my eyes.

From your posts I doubt you know more about the military than what you see in movies or hear in stereotypes. You swear up and down you are right and are giving in to stereotypes about troops lacking intelligence. But I bet you get pissed off when some parent or politician who never played a video game in their life gives in to stereotypes about gamers despite never playing one themselves. Just like they have little room to talk not being gamers, you have little room to talk not having military experience.

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]saying soilders are stupid and don't know what they're fighting for?

You're stupid kid.

and a bit sick.

TopTierHustler

In order to become a solider you have to go through intelligence screenings and physical exams, and in certain branches like the air force or coast guard, the intelligence screenings are extreme, as in less than 10% of people get into these programs that apply. Solders are far from stupid, and you would know that if you've ever spoken to one, but I doubt you have. You just blindly attack people better than you.

Like somebody said, you are in all likely-hood a teenager going through your rebellious/anti authority phase. You think you're cool putting down people that put their lives on the line or support those who do, but you're not. You're sick and little more than a child.

[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]saying soilders are stupid and don't know what they're fighting for?

You're stupid kid.

and a bit sick.

TopTierHustler

In order to become a solider you have to go through intelligence screenings and physical exams, and in certain branches like the air force or coast guard, the intelligence screenings are extreme, as in less than 10% of people get into these programs that apply. Solders are far from stupid, and you would know that if you've ever spoken to one, but I doubt you have. You just blindly attack people better than you.

Like somebody said, you are in all likely-hood a teenager going through your rebellious/anti authority phase. You think you're cool putting down people that put their lives on the line or support those who do, but you're not. You're sick and little more than a child.

My dad went to the marines and he didnt even finish 8th grade in school.

what is there to respect? Just because a person is wearing a green costume doesn't make it OK to kill people. but I will admit respect to any person that sees a great evil and signs up for military service to risk his life in defeating it. Only I haven't seen an evil like that in my lifetime at least.lloveLamp

[QUOTE="lloveLamp"]what is there to respect? Just because a person is wearing a green costume doesn't make it OK to kill people. but I will admit respect to any person that sees a great evil and signs up for military service to risk his life in defeating it. Only I haven't seen an evil like that in my lifetime at least.kingkong0124

[QUOTE="lloveLamp"]what is there to respect? Just because a person is wearing a green costume doesn't make it OK to kill people. but I will admit respect to any person that sees a great evil and signs up for military service to risk his life in defeating it. Only I haven't seen an evil like that in my lifetime at least.kingkong0124

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"]what is there to respect? Just because a person is wearing a green costume doesn't make it OK to kill people. but I will admit respect to any person that sees a great evil and signs up for military service to risk his life in defeating it. Only I haven't seen an evil like that in my lifetime at least.lloveLamp

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[QUOTE="CondorCalabasas"] They don't know what they are fighting for. Ask an American soldier what the US Military's objective is, and he won't know the answer. Most Americans don't even know what the US Military's objective is. You're stupid kid. The fact that you are so willing it dish out put downs hiding behind a computer screen suggests you are the only kid here.CondorCalabasas

In order to become a solider you have to go through intelligence screenings and physical exams, and in certain branches like the air force or coast guard, the intelligence screenings are extreme, as in less than 10% of people get into these programs that apply. Solders are far from stupid, and you would know that if you've ever spoken to one, but I doubt you have. You just blindly attack people better than you.

Like somebody said, you are in all likely-hood a teenager going through your rebellious/anti authority phase. You think you're cool putting down people that put their lives on the line or support those who do, but you're not. You're sick and little more than a child.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="lloveLamp"]what is there to respect? Just because a person is wearing a green costume doesn't make it OK to kill people. but I will admit respect to any person that sees a great evil and signs up for military service to risk his life in defeating it. Only I haven't seen an evil like that in my lifetime at least.l4dak47