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Smoking is right on with cutting your wrists all the time.... Lame.TallicaFan2005:roll:
That's very realistic of you.
:roll:[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Smoking is right on with cutting your wrists all the time.... Lame.Jandurin
That's very realistic of you.
Is there a difference between the two? Self harm...No benefit but they'll claim to the death "IT FEELS SOOOOO GOOOD, I can't stop!"
Is there a difference between the two? Self harm...No benefit but they'll claim to the death "IT FEELS SOOOOO GOOOD, I can't stop!"TallicaFan2005Well, other than the fact that one is actually a physical addiction?
Self harm, eh? Life is "harm".
You think driving is good for you? You think eating out is good for you? You think going into the city where harmful emissions are much more prevalent is good for you?
Get off your high horse.
Cutting is a physical addiction.
Driving is beneficial. Eating is beneficial. Breathing is beneficial.
driving is NOT beneficial.Cutting is a physical addiction.
Driving is beneficial. Eating is beneficial. Breathing is beneficial.
TallicaFan2005
cutting is NOT a physical addiction. Just because it releases some sort of endorphins, there's no chemical component to be addicted to.
Might as well say watching tv or waking up or the chair in UK is a physical addiction.
I smoke because it's relaxing, enjoyable in both social and independent settings, and it relieves stress. -Keel-_basic
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[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]driving is NOT beneficial.Cutting is a physical addiction.
Driving is beneficial. Eating is beneficial. Breathing is beneficial.
Jandurin
cutting is NOT a physical addiction. Just because it releases some sort of endorphins, there's no chemical component to be addicted to.
Might as well say watching tv or waking up or the chair in UK is a physical addiction.
LOL. So what's not beneficial about driving? The benefits outweigh the risks. Smoking is just completely pointless.
LOL. So what's not beneficial about driving? The benefits outweigh the risks.TallicaFan2005The benefits do NOT outweigh the risks :lol:
[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]driving is NOT beneficial.Cutting is a physical addiction.
Driving is beneficial. Eating is beneficial. Breathing is beneficial.
Jandurin
cutting is NOT a physical addiction. Just because it releases some sort of endorphins, there's no chemical component to be addicted to.
Might as well say watching tv or waking up or the chair in UK is a physical addiction.
Self harm most certainly is an addiction. It may or may not be physical (I don't know, but I do know that it releases endorphins, which give you a high), but it certainly is a mental addiction.
it certainly is a mental addiction.Dracargenmental addiction my ass. I just don't respect mental addiction. It's such BS.
Anyway, even if it assists in the release of endorphins, so do MANY things.
mental addiction my ass. I just don't respect mental addiction. It's such BS.[QUOTE="Dracargen"]it certainly is a mental addiction.Jandurin
Anyway, even if it assists in the release of endorphins, so do MANY things.
It baffles my mind how anyone can honestly say that. Do you believe in mental disorders? Mental breakdowns and dysfunctions? Or just biological ones?
As someone who has HAD a mental addiction, it is quite real.
Endorphins are released whenever you are hurt. Hence why people would intentionally harm themselves for their own personal painkiller.
It baffles my mind how anyone can honestly say that. Do you believe in mental disorders? Mental breakdowns and dysfunctions? Or just biological ones?Mental disorders are nothing like mental addictions.As someone who has HAD a mental addiction, it is quite real.
Endorphins are released whenever you are hurt. Hence why people would intentionally harm themselves for their own personal painkiller.Dracargen
[QUOTE="Dracargen"]It baffles my mind how anyone can honestly say that. Do you believe in mental disorders? Mental breakdowns and dysfunctions? Or just biological ones?Mental disorders are nothing like mental addictions.As someone who has HAD a mental addiction, it is quite real.
Endorphins are released whenever you are hurt. Hence why people would intentionally harm themselves for their own personal painkiller.Jandurin
You never answered the question.
An addiction is the continued use of a drug or the continued practise of a given habit despite harm or substantial inconvenience to yourself and/or others, often accompanied with a feeling of need for this substance or habit.
Physiological dependence =/= addiction.
Technically, all addictions are at least partially mental addictions, since the feeling of need is a mental phenomenon.
Technically, all addictions are at least partially mental addictions, since the feeling of need is a mental phenomenon.DracargenThat is PRECISELY the problem.
Everything you do could be considered mental addiction. Going onto teh forumz is an addiction. I can't stop talking to the peoplez on GS :cry:
The feeling of "need" comes from your body having formed a physiological dependency on a substance.
anywayz nothing is bad without abuse. I'm sure heroin aint that bad if you can discover the quantity that would be considered as abuse and never go pass it. THE KEY IS MODERATION OMGZ0R
anywayz we all die 21 dec 2012 so, veven if its bad for yo health, who cares?
Cuz it feels nice and is good for stress.
but of lately I havent been enjoying so much, time to cut back for a little bit.
Ive only smoked a few cigerettes in my life, not a big fan. However I very much enjoy Shisha/Hookah and Cigars.JackMcSexbeard
I go to a big college and its always the nerds that do it. i've never been able to take it seriously, but the couple times I've tried it hasn't been so bad. Something I could get into perhaps.
Smoke socially as I enjoy a cigarette with a beer at the end of the week...
Couldn't do it again habitually...
That is PRECISELY the problem.[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Technically, all addictions are at least partially mental addictions, since the feeling of need is a mental phenomenon.Jandurin
Everything you do could be considered mental addiction. Going onto teh forumz is an addiction. I can't stop talking to the peoplez on GS :cry:
The feeling of "need" comes from your body having formed a physiological dependency on a substance.
Does that make mental addiction any better? And remember, an addiction is something you do even though it harms or substantially inconveniences yourself or others. . . . .GS could fall under that, depending on whether or not you can get off to do your work, which if you can't, then yes, you do have an addiction.
No.
Its tacky and rank. Smokers smell NASTY. At my university you can't go more than a couple of meters in the quad without some nicotine junkie huffing and puffing desperately between lectures. Nothing more pathetic than a smoker trying to get a fix.
Its an instant turn off for me as well. The second I see a chick smoking, it basically kills whatever I'm thinking about and makes me want to go over there and backhand the cigarette out of her mouth. Whats the point in layering makeup on if you are going to smoke?
Anyway, good luck in the future, I hope one day it will be social acceptable to assault smokers in public when they indulge their habit on public property.
Smoking + Beer in hand on the front porch watching the drunk underclassmen stumble by is perhaps one of the top 5 best weekend activitieskrazyorange
If you are ever in Wellington NZ, there is a spot on our balcony where you can drink, smoke, and hurl abuse at the people running on the beach that's all yours :P
Does that make mental addiction any better? And remember, an addiction is something you do even though it harms or substantially inconveniences yourself or others. . . . .GS could fall under that, depending on whether or not you can get off to do your work, which if you can't, then yes, you do have an addiction.DracargenThat's stupid.
The definition should NOT be even though it harms or inconveniences. I just don't agree with it. It's like, I can be just as motivated, inclined, focused on something stupid, but if it isn't inconveniencing me, it isn't an addiction. **** that.
I like the old use better. This is one of my main problems with psychology. Too... relative. Too soft.
That's stupid.[QUOTE="Dracargen"]Does that make mental addiction any better? And remember, an addiction is something you do even though it harms or substantially inconveniences yourself or others. . . . .GS could fall under that, depending on whether or not you can get off to do your work, which if you can't, then yes, you do have an addiction.Jandurin
The definition should NOT be even though it harms or inconveniences. I just don't agree with it. It's like, I can be just as motivated, inclined, focused on something stupid, but if it isn't inconveniencing me, it isn't an addiction. **** that.
I like the old use better. This is one of my main problems with psychology. Too... relative. Too soft.
If you are choosing GameSpot over your job, then you are inconveniencing yourself and quite possibly others in very adverse ways.:| You could lose your job.
I'm saying that if the idea of getting off of GameSpot to catch up on work sounds bad or frightening to you, you may have an addiction to GameSpot. I'm not saying you automatically do. . . .
The old use basically equals physiological dependence, which is not necessarily an addiction in and of itself. We are physiologically dependant on food and water, but we are not addicted to food unless we eat even though we are not hungry or it is a very bad time to eat (yes, you can be addicted to food).
If you are choosing GameSpot over your job, then you are inconveniencing yourself and quite possibly others in very adverse ways.:| You could lose your job.Nah, I get my business taken care of. I'm very good at multitasking. Perhaps I could potentially get more done, but regardless, we aren't talking about me, we're talking about the definitions of addiction and mental addiction, and how I don't agree with them.I'm saying that if the idea of getting off of GameSpot to catch up on work sounds bad or frightening to you, you may have an addiction to GameSpot. I'm not saying you automatically do. . . .
The old use basically equals physiological dependence, which is not necessarily an addiction in and of itself. We are physiologically dependant on food and water, but we are not addicted to food unless we eat even though we are not hungry or it is a very bad time to eat (yes, you can be addicted to food).
Dracargen
[QUOTE="Dracargen"]If you are choosing GameSpot over your job, then you are inconveniencing yourself and quite possibly others in very adverse ways.:| You could lose your job.Nah, I get my business taken care of. I'm very good at multitasking. Perhaps I could potentially get moredone, but regardless, we aren't talking about me, we're talking about the definitions of addiction and mental addiction, and how I don't agree with them.I'm saying that if the idea of getting off of GameSpot to catch up on work sounds bad or frightening to you, you may have an addiction to GameSpot. I'm not saying you automatically do. . . .
The old use basically equals physiological dependence, which is not necessarily an addiction in and of itself. We are physiologically dependant on food and water, but we are not addicted to food unless we eat even though we are not hungry or it is a very bad time to eat (yes, you can be addicted to food).
Jandurin
I wasn't talking about you, personally. . . . . .I was using the word "you" in a general sense.:| Guilty conscience?:o:P
I wasn't talking about you, personally. . . . . .I was using the word "you" in a general sense.:| Guilty conscience?:o:PDracargenNo, the stupidity of the English language. :P
We never should've got rid of thou. :P
[QUOTE="krazyorange"]Smoking + Beer in hand on the front porch watching the drunk underclassmen stumble by is perhaps one of the top 5 best weekend activitiesD3nnyCrane
If you are ever in Wellington NZ, there is a spot on our balcony where you can drink, smoke, and hurl abuse at the people running on the beach that's all yours :P
And if you ever find yourself at Indiana University in Bloomington, IN, there's a comfy futon and a case of cold bruschis with your name on it!
[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]Ive only smoked a few cigerettes in my life, not a big fan. However I very much enjoy Shisha/Hookah and Cigars.krazyorange
I go to a big college and its always the nerds that do it. i've never been able to take it seriously, but the couple times I've tried it hasn't been so bad. Something I could get into perhaps.
I love hookah, its so good and it doesnt give you headaches and its not even 99% as bad as cigs for your lungs.
Plus, hookah is a pain to setup lol so you dont smoke as frequently.
God, I want to bust mine out right now but I have no tobacco...nothing more relaxing than chilling with some tea and smoking some nice flavored hookah...ahhhhhh
[QUOTE="krazyorange"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]Ive only smoked a few cigerettes in my life, not a big fan. However I very much enjoy Shisha/Hookah and Cigars.mrbojangles25
I go to a big college and its always the nerds that do it. i've never been able to take it seriously, but the couple times I've tried it hasn't been so bad. Something I could get into perhaps.
I love hookah, its so good and it doesnt give you headaches and its not even 99% as bad as cigs for your lungs.
Plus, hookah is a pain to setup lol so you dont smoke as frequently.
God, I want to bust mine out right now but I have no tobacco...nothing more relaxing than chilling with some tea and smoking some nice flavored hookah...ahhhhhh
Uhh....yes...yes it is :|.
"When you smoke from a hookah, you inhale flavored tobacco from a hose that is attached to an ornate pipe, which is usually made out of glass or clay. There's water in the bottom, which filters the smoke leading people to believe hookahs are safer than smoking cigarettes, but they're terribly mistaken.
The problem is that hookah users tend to inhale far more smoke than cigarette smokers. More smoke means higher levels of nicotine, carbon monoxide, and other nasty chemicals. In a study published by the World Health Organization, they found that an average cigarette smoker took 8 to 12 puffs, and inhaled 0.5 to 0.6 liters of smoke over five to seven minutes. A hookah smoker may take anywhere from 20 to 200 puffs in one night, and each puff equals about one liter of smoke each. That means one hookah smoking session could equate to smoking 40 to 400 cigarettes. Yikes!"
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Well, other than the fact that one is actually a physical addiction?[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"]Is there a difference between the two? Self harm...No benefit but they'll claim to the death "IT FEELS SOOOOO GOOOD, I can't stop!"Jandurin
Self harm, eh? Life is "harm".
You think driving is good for you? You think eating out is good for you? You think going into the city where harmful emissions are much more prevalent is good for you?
Get off your high horse.
Drinking in moderation has been shown to be good for your health, has it not?
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="krazyorange"][QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"]Ive only smoked a few cigerettes in my life, not a big fan. However I very much enjoy Shisha/Hookah and Cigars.chrisrooR
I go to a big college and its always the nerds that do it. i've never been able to take it seriously, but the couple times I've tried it hasn't been so bad. Something I could get into perhaps.
I love hookah, its so good and it doesnt give you headaches and its not even 99% as bad as cigs for your lungs.
Plus, hookah is a pain to setup lol so you dont smoke as frequently.
God, I want to bust mine out right now but I have no tobacco...nothing more relaxing than chilling with some tea and smoking some nice flavored hookah...ahhhhhh
Uhh....yes...yes it is :|.
"When you smoke from a hookah, you inhale flavored tobacco from a hose that is attached to an ornate pipe, which is usually made out of glass or clay. There's water in the bottom, which filters the smoke leading people to believe hookahs are safer than smoking cigarettes, but they're terribly mistaken.
The problem is that hookah users tend to inhale far more smoke than cigarette smokers. More smoke means higher levels of nicotine, carbon monoxide, and other nasty chemicals. In a study published by the World Health Organization, they found that an average cigarette smoker took 8 to 12 puffs, and inhaled 0.5 to 0.6 liters of smoke over five to seven minutes. A hookah smoker may take anywhere from 20 to 200 puffs in one night, and each puff equals about one liter of smoke each. That means one hookah smoking session could equate to smoking 40 to 400 cigarettes. Yikes!"
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I dont know where you get your information from but that study is making a lot of assumptions.
I dont doubt that hookah smokers take in more volume of smoke and air than smokers do (you sort of breathe hookah smoke , with cigs you kinda squeeze just the smoke in) but you cant assume that more volume = more smoke.
Furthermore, tobacco in cigarettes is completely different from tobacco used in hookah.
Hookah tobacco = nice, fresh tobacco covered in flavoring
Cigarette tobacco = specialized, addictive strains of tobacco treated with god knows what.
With that said, there is very little balanced research (most research has been done by anti-smoking agencies) on smoking hookah, so I will present some first-hand experiences:
1. I have never seen anyone cough or vomit from smoking hookah. The first time you smoke a cigarette, it is awful; many people cough, get dizzy, and I have even seen a couple folks throw up. Yet I have seen people with "virgin" lungs smoke hookah and not have any of those symptoms.
2. As I said before, volume inhaled does not equal more smoke inhaled. Next time you see a hookah, look at the bowl. Now, you hardly ever fill it to capacity and you never pack it down. As a result, there might be three or four cigarettes-worth of tobacco in there. So again, I say that you physically cant inhale more smoke because there is not enough material there.
3. Hookah is water filtered. Now I will be honest, water filtering does not do much filtering, it is mostly a process to cool the smoke. But it does do some filtering, namely of the heavier tar compounds and other water-soluble chemicals native to tobacco.
4. Hookah is frequently smoked as a social activity. This means that a group of people (sometimes two, sometimes as many as six in my experience) share the hoses. As a result, people consume less. Furthermore, people dont smoke hookah four times a day; most frequent hookah smokers might do it a few times a week.
So maybe my 99% healthier was a bit of an exageration, so I will instead say that a 40-minute Hookah session split between two or three people is a lot healthier than smoking a pack a day.
No, the stupidity of the English language. :P[QUOTE="Dracargen"]I wasn't talking about you, personally. . . . . .I was using the word "you" in a general sense.:| Guilty conscience?:o:PJandurin
We never should've got rid of thou. :P
You can say 'one' rather than 'you' when referring to people in general. It just makes you... It just makes one sound rather pompous. >.>[QUOTE="Jandurin"]No, the stupidity of the English language. :P[QUOTE="Dracargen"]I wasn't talking about you, personally. . . . . .I was using the word "you" in a general sense.:| Guilty conscience?:o:PSolidSnake35
We never should've got rid of thou. :P
You can say 'one' rather than 'you' when referring to people in general. It just makes you... It just makes one sound rather pompous. >.>Thou tends to sound pompous when using "one" to describe one's predicament, indeed.
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]No, the stupidity of the English language. :P[QUOTE="Dracargen"]I wasn't talking about you, personally. . . . . .I was using the word "you" in a general sense.:| Guilty conscience?:o:Pmrbojangles25
We never should've got rid of thou. :P
You can say 'one' rather than 'you' when referring to people in general. It just makes you... It just makes one sound rather pompous. >.>Thou tends to sound pompous when using "one" to describe one's predicament, indeed.
Thou is singular though, so thou should have said, "thou tends to sound", assuming you were referring to just me. :P[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]No, the stupidity of the English language. :P[QUOTE="Dracargen"]I wasn't talking about you, personally. . . . . .I was using the word "you" in a general sense.:| Guilty conscience?:o:PSolidSnake35
We never should've got rid of thou. :P
You can say 'one' rather than 'you' when referring to people in general. It just makes you... It just makes one sound rather pompous. >.>Thou tends to sound pompous when using "one" to describe one's predicament, indeed.
Thou is singular though, so thou should have said, "thou tends to sound", assuming you were referring to just me. :PI am a Yank, tho, we dont speak the same language
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