Do you think America will lose the lead within the next 50 years?

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#1 stevoqwerty
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I'm not from America but seeing all this debt, problem, healthcare, war ect, made me think that within the next 50 years, America will not be in the lead. Well it's my opinion so don't judge me.

Okay, I edited the title so it'll be more appropriate.

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#2 Murj
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Eeeh America won't fall, it'll just be troubled. Every country has problems like that though. I doubt much will change.

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#3 EMOEVOLUTION
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I don't think it matters.
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#4 Grodus5
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ALl depends on the results of the 2012 election. If we elect Palin as President, then the answer is yes. If not, the answer is maybe.

Edit: I'm only mostly kidding :P. Anyway, in all honesty conservatives are going to wreck the country. Its social darwinism: survival of the most adaptible. As long as conservatives are in power, we won't adapt, but if liberals are in power, we will adapt too fast. We need more centrists!

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#5 stevoqwerty
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Well fall as in not in the lead. And I found out that America's healthcare is horrible. Atleast we get free treatment and medicine. But French's healthcare is the best, basically everything is free there.

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#6 testfactor888
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Possibly and being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitement.

Man you edited the title so now its less fun. I figure we already lost the lead awhile ago

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Well fall as in not in the lead. And I found out that America's healthcare is horrible. Atleast we get free treatment and medicine. But French's healthcare is the best, basically everything is free there.

stevoqwerty

I would like to see us copy the Dutch system and it would be the most realistic compromise.

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#8 Nerd_Rage
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No,it won't "fall", but it is already past its golden age and is being surpassed by other countries.
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#9 LIONHEART-_-
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No not "fall" but to experience MORE SEVERE problems.

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#10 krazy-blazer
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Fall? probably not. Lose superpower status? probably so.
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#11 LJS9502_basic
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No it won't. And all countries have problems.....
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#12 topsemag55
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ALl depends on the results of the 2012 election. If we elect Palin as President, then the answer is yes. If not, the answer is maybe.

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All depends upon the results of the 2012 election. If Obama is reelected, we are doomed.:P:lol:

I didn't mention Palin, as I'm not sure she will run.

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#13 Dgalmun
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ALl depends on the results of the 2012 election. If we elect Palin as President, then the answer is yes. If not, the answer is maybe.

Edit: I'm only mostly kidding :P. Anyway, in all honesty conservatives are going to wreck the country. Its social darwinism: survival of the most adaptible. As long as conservatives are in power, we won't adapt, but if liberals are in power, we will adapt too fast. We need more centrists!

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Palin is probably not running for President. Maybe, but if she does, I'll vote against her. But then, I don't want to vote for Obama either. America will not fall, but it's economy will.
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#14 JML897
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being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitementtestfactor888

:| Yeah, that would be so awesome.

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#15 DroidPhysX
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America spends the MOST of Healthcare and education and its not even in the top 10 in neither categories. So yes

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#16 LIONHEART-_-
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"]being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitementJML897

:| Yeah, that would be so awesome.

USA got trolled hard :P

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#17 metroidprime55
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Yes, we are all going to be taken over by China, be forced to learn Manderin, and watch bad animes for the rest of our lives. My child however, will not be subjected to such torture.

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we be fine if our goverment wasn't too scared of it's own people and what china would do.... it's truly a easy fix for our jobs... you tell company's thats in 201x we will put a lock down on importing your goods.... company's know Americans would buy cars/computers/toys for kids and bla bla so what you think they going to do? pack up and move


but really america will stay on top reason is it's size. every state =one countery unlike in eurpope no ones really connected... but this could also be downfall to

we need ditch this politic world and get some real people up in office

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Possibly and being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interestingju time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitementtestfactor888
Why on earth would you want that. In this country anarchry would be a living hell. Gun totting manic's running around everywhere. The Army and National Guard taking over I cannot imagine what that would be like. Judging on alot of your posts, I really don't think you really like it here. Go live in China for a year and see if you change your mind.

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#20 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"]being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitementJML897

:| Yeah, that would be so awesome.

I concur it would be. :)
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#21 Pirate700
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No considering the rest of the civilized world is in worse financial shape right now. I don't get where some here are getting this image that this is only a US problem.

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#22 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"]Possibly and being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitementWarship_19
Why on earth would you want that. In this country anarchry would be a living hell. Gun totting manic's running around everywhere. The Army and National Guard taking over I cannot imagine what that would be like. Judging on most of your posts. Your not very patriotic for someone living in America. I really don't think you really like it here. Go live in China for a year and see if you change your mind.

I actually hate it here and no I am not patriotic. It is the country I was born into though so until I save enough money to move into another country I am stuck here. You want to pay my way into another country be my guest.
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"]Possibly and being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitementWarship_19
Why on earth would you want that. In this country anarchry would be a living hell. Gun totting manic's running around everywhere. The Army and National Guard taking over I cannot imagine what that would be like. Judging on most of your posts. Your not very patriotic for someone living in America. I really don't think you really like it here. Go live in China for a year and see if you change your mind.

So you have to blindly support the country to live here huh? Also why the need to compare ourselves to 3rd world countries to make ourselves feel better, why not Norway or Germany.

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#24 Warship_19
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[QUOTE="Warship_19"][QUOTE="testfactor888"]Possibly and being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitementFormer_Slacker

Why on earth would you want that. In this country anarchry would be a living hell. Gun totting manic's running around everywhere. The Army and National Guard taking over I cannot imagine what that would be like. Judging on most of your posts. Your not very patriotic for someone living in America. I really don't think you really like it here. Go live in China for a year and see if you change your mind.

So you have to blindly support the country to live here huh? Also why the need to compare ourselves to 3rd world countries to make ourselves feel better, why not Norway or Germany.

Thats not what I meant I just edited that part out a second ago. Over did it abit.

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#25 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="Warship_19"][QUOTE="testfactor888"]Possibly and being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitementFormer_Slacker

Why on earth would you want that. In this country anarchry would be a living hell. Gun totting manic's running around everywhere. The Army and National Guard taking over I cannot imagine what that would be like. Judging on most of your posts. Your not very patriotic for someone living in America. I really don't think you really like it here. Go live in China for a year and see if you change your mind.

So you have to blindly support the country to live here huh? Also why the need to compare ourselves to 3rd world countries to make ourselves feel better, why not Norway or Germany.

People often do that if you say you don't like living in the USA. They usually say move to China or North Korea generally forgetting all the other great countries out there that one could live in happily. England, Ireland, Australia, Canada, etc etc(I know I am leaving out alot of good countries hence the etc etc)
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#26 mindstorm
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Nations rise and they fall. I cannot predict when the United States will fall but it will one day happen in some form.
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#27 Espada12
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No considering the rest of the civilized world is in worse financial shape right now. I don't get where some here are getting this image that this is only a US problem.

Pirate700

Well germany and japan are actually doing well.. but they have always been doing well. China is also fine for the most part, I honestly think the US will actually just lose its military super power but still remain extremely influential. The days of great countries crumbling are over.

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#28 theone86
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I wonder what puts us in the lead now? We're low in education, health care quality, poverty, hell even manufacturing is falling off. The only thing we're first in right now is military.

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#29 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

No considering the rest of the civilized world is in worse financial shape right now. I don't get where some here are getting this image that this is only a US problem.

Espada12

Well germany and japan are actually doing well.. but they have always been doing well. China is also fine for the most part, I honestly think the US will actually just lose its military super power but still remain extremely influential. The days of great countries crumbling are over.

Japan is hurting also. As for the military power. Not in our lifetime. Nobody puts the resources into it that we do.

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What is it "leading" exactly?

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#31 stevoqwerty
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I wonder what puts us in the lead now? We're low in education, health care quality, poverty, hell even manufacturing is falling off. The only thing we're first in right now is military.

theone86

Well American is probably one of the most influencial country in the world.

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#32 Espada12
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I wonder what puts us in the lead now? We're low in education, health care quality, poverty, hell even manufacturing is falling off. The only thing we're first in right now is military.

theone86

Overall influence?

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#33 Pirate700
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I wonder what puts us in the lead now? We're low in education, health care quality, poverty, hell even manufacturing is falling off. The only thing we're first in right now is military.

theone86

Our health care QUALITY is the best in the world. I take it you mean insurance wise.

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#34 Espada12
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Japan is hurting also. As for the military power. Not in our lifetime. Nobody puts the resources into it that we do.

Pirate700

Oh I won't doubt that you would still have the best, but I don't think it would be as expansive in 50 years. Though I could be wrong considering that you guys are the world leading arms exporter and you need to stay on top to keep that position.

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#35 Warship_19
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

No considering the rest of the civilized world is in worse financial shape right now. I don't get where some here are getting this image that this is only a US problem.

Well germany and japan are actually doing well.. but they have always been doing well. China is also fine for the most part, I honestly think the US will actually just lose its military super power but still remain extremely influential. The days of great countries crumbling are over.

Japan is hurting also. As for the military power. Not in our lifetime. Nobody puts the resources into it that we do.

Also 450 ICBMs don't go away overnight. This is a main reason why Russia is still a big player.
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#36 Espada12
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Also 450 ICBMs don't go away overnight. This is a main reason why Russia is still a big player.Warship_19

Russia is not a super power though...currently the only super power in the world is the US.

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#37 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Warship_19"]

Also 450 ICBMs don't go away overnight. This is a main reason why Russia is still a big player.Espada12

Russia is not a super power though...currently the only super power in the world is the US.

Russia is still considered a super power. Not what they were though.

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#38 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Warship_19"][QUOTE="testfactor888"]Possibly and being from the USA I kind of hope it does. Would be an interesting time to live in watching the country fall apart. Could do with some excitementtestfactor888
Why on earth would you want that. In this country anarchry would be a living hell. Gun totting manic's running around everywhere. The Army and National Guard taking over I cannot imagine what that would be like. Judging on most of your posts. Your not very patriotic for someone living in America. I really don't think you really like it here. Go live in China for a year and see if you change your mind.

I actually hate it here and no I am not patriotic. It is the country I was born into though so until I save enough money to move into another country I am stuck here. You want to pay my way into another country be my guest.

You'll probably appreciate the US better after you leave....
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#39 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Warship_19"]

Also 450 ICBMs don't go away overnight. This is a main reason why Russia is still a big player.Pirate700

Russia is not a super power though...currently the only super power in the world is the US.

Russia is still considered a super power. Not what they were though.

I don't consider them one, it would be like me considering France and Italy as superpowers, only America has the military might, global influence and economic dependency to be considered a super power. I'm not sure who is considering them a super power but they need to be fired imo!

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[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="Warship_19"] Why on earth would you want that. In this country anarchry would be a living hell. Gun totting manic's running around everywhere. The Army and National Guard taking over I cannot imagine what that would be like. Judging on most of your posts. Your not very patriotic for someone living in America. I really don't think you really like it here. Go live in China for a year and see if you change your mind.LJS9502_basic
I actually hate it here and no I am not patriotic. It is the country I was born into though so until I save enough money to move into another country I am stuck here. You want to pay my way into another country be my guest.

You'll probably appreciate the US better after you leave....

I honestly doubt it with how much I really do not like living here. I don't mind if I end up in a country with a little less of something if it means I don't have to deal with living here anymore. That is all that needs to be said. Its a personal preference and I don't want to debate it nor am I trying to, in general, trash the USA. I personally do not like it and that's all there really is to it.

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#41 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Russia is not a super power though...currently the only super power in the world is the US.

Espada12

Russia is still considered a super power. Not what they were though.

I don't consider them one, it would be like me considering France and Italy as superpowers, only America has the military might, global influence and economic dependency to be considered a super power. I'm not sure who is considering them a super power but they need to be fired imo!

Considering how much China owns us and our debt I don't think we have economic dependency anymore.
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#42 Espada12
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Considering how much China owns us and our debt I don't think we have economic dependency anymore.testfactor888

China lent you that money because they are dependent on America getting back on their feet. Not because you guys are best buds.

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#43 SF_KiLLaMaN
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] I actually hate it here and no I am not patriotic. It is the country I was born into though so until I save enough money to move into another country I am stuck here. You want to pay my way into another country be my guest.

You'll probably appreciate the US better after you leave....

I honestly doubt it with how much I really do not like living here. I don't mind if I end up in a country with a little less of something if it means I don't have to deal with living here anymore. Just as I said I really hate living here and that is all that needs to be said. Its a personal preference and I don't want to debate it nor am I trying to, in general, trash the USA. I personally do not like it and that's all there really is to it.

Any reason as to why you do not like it? I love living here.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] I actually hate it here and no I am not patriotic. It is the country I was born into though so until I save enough money to move into another country I am stuck here. You want to pay my way into another country be my guest. testfactor888

You'll probably appreciate the US better after you leave....

I honestly doubt it with how much I really do not like living here. I don't mind if I end up in a country with a little less of something if it means I don't have to deal with living here anymore. That is all that needs to be said. Its a personal preference and I don't want to debate it nor am I trying to, in general, trash the USA. I personally do not like it and that's all there really is to it.

Trust me you don't appreciate the nuances that make the US the country it is until you don't have them.

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#45 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="testfactor888"] I actually hate it here and no I am not patriotic. It is the country I was born into though so until I save enough money to move into another country I am stuck here. You want to pay my way into another country be my guest. testfactor888

You'll probably appreciate the US better after you leave....

I honestly doubt it with how much I really do not like living here. I don't mind if I end up in a country with a little less of something if it means I don't have to deal with living here anymore. That is all that needs to be said. Its a personal preference and I don't want to debate it nor am I trying to, in general, trash the USA. I personally do not like it and that's all there really is to it.

Yes but you know what they say about the grass is always greener....:P
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#46 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Russia is still considered a super power. Not what they were though.

testfactor888

I don't consider them one, it would be like me considering France and Italy as superpowers, only America has the military might, global influence and economic dependency to be considered a super power. I'm not sure who is considering them a super power but they need to be fired imo!

Considering how much China owns us and our debt I don't think we have economic dependency anymore.

China is just as dependent on the US market....
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#47 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Russia is still considered a super power. Not what they were though.

testfactor888

I don't consider them one, it would be like me considering France and Italy as superpowers, only America has the military might, global influence and economic dependency to be considered a super power. I'm not sure who is considering them a super power but they need to be fired imo!

Considering how much China owns us and our debt I don't think we have economic dependency anymore.

China does not own us. It's a mutual relationship. Without the US and the rest of the western world, China has nothing. We fuel their economy.

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#48 Warship_19
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Warship_19"]

Also 450 ICBMs don't go away overnight. This is a main reason why Russia is still a big player.

Russia is not a super power though...currently the only super power in the world is the US.

I did not say they were a super power just a major player like China and india.
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#49 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="testfactor888"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I don't consider them one, it would be like me considering France and Italy as superpowers, only America has the military might, global influence and economic dependency to be considered a super power. I'm not sure who is considering them a super power but they need to be fired imo!

LJS9502_basic

Considering how much China owns us and our debt I don't think we have economic dependency anymore.

China is just as dependent on the US market....

And China is starting to get hit with a problem of their own. Less and less products are being made there. Everything is moving to Africa and the middle east.

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#50 Former_Slacker
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

I wonder what puts us in the lead now? We're low in education, health care quality, poverty, hell even manufacturing is falling off. The only thing we're first in right now is military.

Pirate700

Our health care QUALITY is the best in the world. I take it you mean insurance wise.

The quality of our care is really not different from that in any other western country. Some are better for different conditions than others. Where we horribly fail compared to the others is accessibility and costs.